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Bangladesh vs Pakistan | 2nd Test | Dhaka| May 6- 10 | Day 1

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axl100mph said:
It may work in tests but in odi's you need to have a good technique to generate power in r strokes. There is a reason why chanders n fawad failed at odis
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LOL. Technique is a lot more important in tests than ODIs. Chanders and Fawad failed in ODIs because they are apparently not good ODI players. See Dravid and Gavaskar.
 
Bilal7 said:
LOL. Technique is a lot more important in tests than ODIs. Chanders and Fawad failed in ODIs because they are apparently not good ODI players. See Dravid and Gavaskar.
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I won't say Chanders & Fawad have failed in ODIs. They both average over 40 in ODIs. Not exactly a failure imo.
 
The_KING said:
I won't say Chanders & Fawad have failed in ODIs. They both average over 40 in ODIs. Not exactly a failure imo.
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Which is why I said apparently. Fawad will still get chances in the future and Chanders has been a decent batsman in that format too.
 
This [MENTION=132340]Zeshan547[/MENTION] is one of those self-proclaimed technique experts who hasn't properly seen a player play, haven't followed him and obviously have no idea about a player's range of strokes.

Yet he goes on to make big claims that a player will be good/bad against X,Y.. based on only 1/2 innings.

My advise? AVOID such neem-hakeems :) Never take a person seriously if he goes on to make big claims after seeing a DEBUTING player in 1/2 matches.... Fake Technique Troll Alert! ;-)
 
Hawkeye said:
This [MENTION=132340]Zeshan547[/MENTION] is one of those self-proclaimed technique experts who hasn't properly seen a player play, haven't followed him and obviously have no idea about a player's range of strokes.

Yet he goes on to make big claims that a player will be good/bad against X,Y.. based on only 1/2 innings.

My advise? AVOID such neem-hakeems :) Never take a person seriously if he goes on to make big claims after seeing a DEBUTING player in 1/2 matches.... Fake Technique Troll Alert! ;-)
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Nice
 
Hawkeye said:
This [MENTION=132340]Zeshan547[/MENTION] is one of those self-proclaimed technique experts who hasn't properly seen a player play, haven't followed him and obviously have no idea about a player's range of strokes.

Yet he goes on to make big claims that a player will be good/bad against X,Y.. based on only 1/2 innings.

My advise? AVOID such neem-hakeems :) Never take a person seriously if he goes on to make big claims after seeing a DEBUTING player in 1/2 matches.... Fake Technique Troll Alert! ;-)
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ok sir Don Bradman, anything else? From now on we shall take only your opinion as final word when we will have to judge someone's technique.
 
axl100mph said:
It may work in tests but in odi's you need to have a good technique to generate power in r strokes. There is a reason why chanders n fawad failed at odis
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Just proved my point above.

Avoid these neem-hakeems who have NO idea about a player's range of strokes and go on to make such claims.

I mean, just look at this guy quoted above! Has not even seen Sami play, and goes on to say just because his stance resembles that of Chanders, he can't generate power strokes! :)))

This guy has no idea about Sami's hitting and timing ability, which he showed in that 3rd ODI. If someone followed him in U19 / FC, he knows that he's an excellent stroke-maker, times the ball well.

There have been only 2 openers from PAK in the recent time who can hit sixes off lofted cover drives, against spinners... Saeed Anwar, Jamshed and now Sami. Plus, his pull shots, cover drives are excellent.

Just because a stance isn't pretty, these fake technique trolls come up with their "expert" analysis (read shooting in the dark).
 
Hawkeye said:
This [MENTION=132340]Zeshan547[/MENTION] is one of those self-proclaimed technique experts who hasn't properly seen a player play, haven't followed him and obviously have no idea about a player's range of strokes.

Yet he goes on to make big claims that a player will be good/bad against X,Y.. based on only 1/2 innings.

My advise? AVOID such neem-hakeems :) Never take a person seriously if he goes on to make big claims after seeing a DEBUTING player in 1/2 matches.... Fake Technique Troll Alert! ;-)
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Ignore the wrist-slitters is all the advice one needs, to have a good time here.
 
When you can't defend your argumet, just call the other person a troll, what an easy thing to do, keep it bro. [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]
 
Hawkeye said:
This [MENTION=132340]Zeshan547[/MENTION] is one of those self-proclaimed technique experts who hasn't properly seen a player play, haven't followed him and obviously have no idea about a player's range of strokes.

Yet he goes on to make big claims that a player will be good/bad against X,Y.. based on only 1/2 innings.

My advise? AVOID such neem-hakeems :) Never take a person seriously if he goes on to make big claims after seeing a DEBUTING player in 1/2 matches.... Fake Technique Troll Alert! ;-)
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I think he still has made a good point. Sami Aslam does seem to hv some technical adjustments to make. He finds it difficult to get into line of the ball. He is most of the times half cock on the crease. May be something to do with his height. Any thoughts!!!
 
Playing a bit too slowly here. A RR of 3 should be the minimum considering the bowling attack and the fact that this pitch is getting easier to bat on.
 
You can say all you want about someone's technique, stroke-play, timing.. but ONLY after you have properly seen him play.

Not based on 1 or 2 innings, that too of a debutant.
 
Bilal7 said:
Playing a bit too slowly here. A RR of 3 should be the minimum considering the bowling attack and the fact that this pitch is getting easier to bat on.
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On second thought, maybe they were not batting slowly after all!
 
Poor shot by sami ! I think the ball got stuck in the wicket


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In walks Pakistan's second ATG batsman, MashAllah. :yk2
 
shaaik said:
I think he still has made a good point. Sami Aslam does seem to hv some technical adjustments to make. He finds it difficult to get into line of the ball. He is most of the times half cock on the crease. May be something to do with his height. Any thoughts!!!
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He's just 20, he will have to make a few adjustments, like everybody else debuting.

My point, don't outright claim that he'll definitely fail against such and such opposition.
 
Sami is a good prospect and will have a long career for Pakistan, InshAllah but he's a bit under-cooked in terms of FC matches right now so Shehzad should partner Hafeez against Sri Lanka.
 
So seems like Sami isn't ready for Test cricket after all.

Should be persisted with in ODIs though.
 
And b/w i am big sami aslam fan, but i am only criticizing his shortcomings, which he should improve to have great future at international level. Is it wrong to call out his errors, and i am not the only one who think his technique is not good enough to play out real world class bowler in tough conditions.
 
Zeshan547 said:
When you can't defend your argumet, just call the other person a troll, what an easy thing to do, keep it bro. [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]
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I think it was a defensive shot.. wasn't it? :P

Yeah I went a bit too far in calling it a troll, you have a right to your opinion, but I get annoyed when someone makes tall claims based on 1 or 2 innings of a debutant..

He's just 20, he WILL fail at the start.. our problem is we never develop players, we give them 4-5 matches, if he fails, we drop them right away.

No way to produce batsmen. He has to be given 20 consecutive matches to prove his worth. If he fails, you can send him to domestic.
 
Hawkeye said:
He's just 20, he will have to make a few adjustments, like everybody else debuting.

My point, don't outright claim that he'll definitely fail against such and such opposition.
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That's exactly my point as well. He would have to tweak his technique a bit but my only worry is, if he fails to cement his place in the team and is discarded. Where and how wd he improve his technique. In other cricketing countries if a player has a technical issues he goes back to the domestic circuit and improves it there but with our domestic set up I am afraid I can't see him improving...
 
Sami has only played 2 innings so far and we need to give him a lot of chances to see if he belongs. I am unimpressed so far but he should be persisted with for at least next 5 test matches
Let him settle.
 
Bilal7 said:
Sami is a good prospect and will have a long career for Pakistan, InshAllah but he's a bit under-cooked in terms of FC matches right now so Shehzad should partner Hafeez against Sri Lanka.
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Why not let him develop, will you drop him after giving him 2 matches?...

I envy India in this regards, they know how to take care of their young batsmen... give them a long rope.
 
We should learn from Tamim, Sarkar, Mominul how to score. Same pitch BD will put at least 500 here.
 
This seems like a better pitch but pakistan will struggle with only one front line spinner. BD have an edge.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Sami has only played 2 innings so far and we need to give him a lot of chances to see if he belongs. I am unimpressed so far but he should be persisted with for at least next 5 test matches
Let him settle.
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He was impressive in that ODI, not impressive so far in the Tests.

We have to let him settle and see how he develops. The sooner he does it, the better because PCB don't give a long rope to youngsters.
 
Hawkeye said:
Why not let him develop, will you drop him after giving him 2 matches?...

I envy India in this regards, they know how to take care of their young batsmen... give them a long rope.
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He should remain in the squad but shehzad has done well at test level. His last innings was 176. He has attitude issues and if he overcomes some of the issues he can be a good test opener for pakistan. It is a test of pakistan teamanagement and pcb how they progress with shehzad and sami.
 
Hawkeye said:
I think it was a defensive shot.. wasn't it? :P

Yeah I went a bit too far in calling it a troll, you have a right to your opinion, but I get annoyed when someone makes tall claims based on 1 or 2 innings of a debutant..

He's just 20, he WILL fail at the start.. our problem is we never develop players, we give them 4-5 matches, if he fails, we drop them right away.

No way to produce batsmen. He has to be given 20 consecutive matches to prove his worth. If he fails, you can send him to domestic.
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bro when i said sami is totall garbage or should be discarded asap, or shouldn't be given anymore chances, but just being his well wisher i pointed out his glaring mistakes, upon which he should work on to be successful everywhere.
 
Sami isn't ready for tests. Too many flaws right in his defensive technique to be persisted with. He can continue in ODIs though. I've always thought he'd be a better ODI player than tests.
 
Sami Aslam ideally should have been part of ODIs and T20Is only for sometime. We rushed him into Test cricket early. He should have been given time for improving his FC statistics. And only then considered for selection. Same goes for Babar Azam. He must be selected in ODIs and T20Is only for sometime. As his List A and T20 statistics are better compared to FC statistics. He must also be given time to improve his FC statistics. And only then selected for Tests.
 
Zeshan547 said:
bro when i said sami is totall garbage or should be discarded asap, or shouldn't be given anymore chances, but just being his well wisher i pointed out his glaring mistakes, upon which he should work on to be successful everywhere.
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All fine buddy! :)

Just woke up and seeing Hafeez out cheaply again on a pitch with slight movement turned my mood off. Probably. :P
 
good to see some wickets in first session, though pakistani. Hope the match will end on a result rather personal achievements. Its nice that we select right arm fast bowler in the 11 as so many lefties in bd & no right arm bowler atleast who can creates angel as there is no swing nowadays.

Can someone plz share pitch report
 
Hawkeye said:
All fine buddy! :)

Just woke up and seeing Hafeez out cheaply again on a pitch with slight movement turned my mood off. Probably. :P
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if that's the case than blame yourself not hackfeez, for expecting a decent inning from him on this pitch, how naive you are that you expected hackfeez to score big on this pitch, holy crap.
 
zabalestmsm said:
Haris Sohail is ready for Tests. We must find a way of adjusting him in the final XI.
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its surprising that a man who have better FC test record with rather unsatisfactory domestic ODI record is playing ODIs at international level with no test, these are very hard to understandable things of PCB
 
junaid.ahmed said:
its surprising that a man who have better FC test record with rather unsatisfactory domestic ODI record is playing ODIs at international level with no test, these are very hard to understandable things of PCB
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Exactly! The selectors fail here big time. Sami Aslam averages 37 in FC which is not good and yet given a go! Babar Azam has a fantastic List-A average compared to FC and is selected in the Test squad strangely.
 
Yeah for away tours hafeez will be sitting duck, so first try Azhar with Shezi as opener and put Harris at 3, and if shezi fail replae him with babar, and we shall have one heck of top 7 batsman for all conditions, just as simple as that.
 
Sami has technical problems no doubt about it, but now that he has been selected, he should be given a good run to see if he can work on his issues.

Discarding him after a few games tells us nothing and does him no good either, but expectations should be kept minimum because at the end of the day, he is a Pakistani and Pakistan is a minnow nation now, and don't expect top class cricketers from minnows.
 
Isam has this news from the ground: Shadat came out to bowl on one of the practice wickets during the break and tumbled again. He was carried off in a stretcher. He bowled three deliveries in a warm-up stint during the lunch break, with bowling coach Heath Streak acting as the wicketkeeper. While bowling the 4th one, he fell before his delivery stride. Big setback for the hosts. -Cricinfo

:)))
 
I use to thought that waqar has less understanding of cricketing matters & now this selection committee :facepalm:
 
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