BCCI loses vote in ICC revenue and constitutional changes

[daytrader]

Volatile relationship isn't between PCB and BCCI lad its between the countries. ICC isn't gonna do anything - Bangladesh declined to tour what did ICC do ? You have complained to ICC enough - did they do anything ? Cool good luck

Yeah thanks captain obvious - the boards represent their respective countries, got it. Aside from complaining to the ICC we will keep pestering you about what you owe

 

[bleaf27]

Yeah thanks captain obvious - the boards represent their respective countries, got it. Aside from complaining to the ICC we will keep pestering you about what you owe

Well good luck with that too

 

[Ph_11]

Political atmosphere is just an excuse. A couple of years ago Modi made a surprise visit to Pakistan. The atmosphere wasn't as bad as now and Pakistanis have always been hopeful that it gets better so PCB took BCCI'S word hoping that yea things will get better. It's not stupidity it's called giving a chance for peace but guess what!!? You didn't honour your commitment

Dont go there. If I tell the truth you wont like it.

 

[Ph_11]

Same Britt that were your bedfellows in the big 3

We know them for 200 years.

You never learned a lesson.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Some Indian fans right now...

 

[Junaids]

So you think players would be okay with such exorbitant amounts of paycut ?
Secondly, if you have looked at the ICC revenue model - where is it making the money from ? It certainly doesn't exist as an independent financial entity.
Thirdly, in an alternate cricketing board - Let's say World Cricket Council - WCC - if ICC members want to play in the WCC - would they be barred ? could they play in both Cricketing councils ? What if WCC chooses to exist with ICC while not participating in ICC events but having ICC players join in the WCC events either domestic or bilaterally with other cricketing boards ?

If the ICC pools all revenue in a Minus India world, and contracts all international players centrally itself along the Australian domestic sport model:

1. All players from New Zealand, South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Pakistan obtain at least a $100,000 annual pay rise, and the top five players from each country obtain at least a $250,000 pay rise.

There would be tiered contracts:

Tier 1: $500,000 per year (e.g. Root, Starc, De Kock, Boult, Shakib)
Tier 2: $400,000 per year (e.g. Tamim, Watling, Philander)
Tier 3: $300,000 per year (e.g. marginal international players)
Tier 4: $200,000 per year (emerging young internationals)


2. And the Boards don't pay this: the ICC does, out of revenue from TV contracts. This requires less income than Australian AFL and NRL ALREADY obtain, and they don't sell rights overseas at all, let alone to India.

3. That only leaves players from Australia and England who may, in a handful of cases, suffer pay cuts. In practice, the only players who would would be Joe Root, Ben Stokes, David Warner, Steve Smith and Mitchell Starc, as all other players already earn less than 400,000 pounds per year.

4. I fully accept that India could and would go it alone, to answer [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] . My guess is that they would move to a 6 month IPL with contracts between $1 million and $6 million.

5. The ICC would respond the way they did with ICL, by making cricketers with IPL contracts banned from all international cricket.

6. At that point, pretty much every top class cricketer outside India who was over 30 with an IPL offer would leave.

7. So would every player under 30 who faced no prospect of a secure international future.

But every player aged under 30 would be happy to stay for a contract of $300,000 to $400,000 per year in their home country, plus the prospect of T20 top-ups (excluding IPL).

The players who would go would, in the example of Australia, be the likes of Dave Warner - now 30 years old - and inferior younger players like Sean Abbott.

 

[Abdullah719]

End of supremacy for BCCI: Lost Asia, lost the world

CHENNAI: Fingers might be pointed at Shashank Manohar for not acting in the best interest of Indian cricket. It might even be directed at the Supreme Court for putting the BCCI in a fix, which left them without time to take on the ICC. The old dispensation can fume and can even feel aggrieved. But one look at the mirror will tell how a monster — now cut down to size — has to blame itself for being in a position where it gave others a chance to avenge all the bullying it had subjected them to in the past.

Three years back, when BCCI, Cricket Australia (CA) and England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) came up with the Big 3 model that meant more revenue for them at the expense of the rest, nobody even bothered to stand up. Manohar then came up with an alternative, which meant the BCCI’s share would come down from $570 million to $290 million.

Threatening to pull out of Champions Trophy in protest, the BCCI didn’t pay attention when Manohar offered them an additional $100 million.

The BCCI believed Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies will side with it. Sadly, it received a sound thrashing when matters came to votes. For the revenue model, the ICC voted 8-2 in favour and for the governance structure, only the BCCI voted against. After Dalmiya’s rise to the top post, this was the first time that the BCCI saw all other members opposing it.

“The ICC has to treat every country as equal and finally, we are seeing encouraging signs on that front. When the BCCI wanted to implement the Big 3 formula, it promised plenty of series against South Africa, Pakistan and even Test tours to Zimbabwe. But they never honoured the MoU and these countries started losing trust.

And by the time Australia and England had new heads running the show, they realised the blunder they had made. Now, every board is united in favour of a revenue model and that’s how it should be. The BCCI doesn’t need so much money. It’s Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Pakistan and Sri Lanka who need the money badly. In a way, BCCI was let down by its own guard,” former ICC president Ehsan Mani told Express on Wednesday.

Soon after the February meeting, where the voting pattern was similar, the BCCI tried to convince West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and even held negotiations a day before the meeting in Dubai. But there was a significant change in the way the likes of Dalmiya or Sharad Pawar managed Asian votes. Dalmiya had brought the Asian bloc together and they remained by and large unified when it came to important decisions. This unity in the Asian bloc is not to be seen anymore, especially after former board president N Srinivasan allied with Australia and England.

“The BCCI has always wanted more money as it generates more revenue. But in the past, during Dalmiya’s period or during my time and even during Malcolm Gray’s period, the BCCI had ensured that even the Asian countries got their share. They in return stood beside India. But, over time, the BCCI has lost the support of its neighbours and that’s why it finds itself isolated. Not even Bangladesh voted for them today, which shows where things stand at the moment,” Mani noted.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/spo...or-bcci-lost-asia-lost-the-world-1598193.html

 

[Ph_11]

CHENNAI: Fingers might be pointed at Shashank Manohar for not acting in the best interest of Indian cricket. It might even be directed at the Supreme Court for putting the BCCI in a fix, which left them without time to take on the ICC. The old dispensation can fume and can even feel aggrieved. But one look at the mirror will tell how a monster — now cut down to size — has to blame itself for being in a position where it gave others a chance to avenge all the bullying it had subjected them to in the past.

Three years back, when BCCI, Cricket Australia (CA) and England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) came up with the Big 3 model that meant more revenue for them at the expense of the rest, nobody even bothered to stand up. Manohar then came up with an alternative, which meant the BCCI’s share would come down from $570 million to $290 million.

Threatening to pull out of Champions Trophy in protest, the BCCI didn’t pay attention when Manohar offered them an additional $100 million.

The BCCI believed Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies will side with it. Sadly, it received a sound thrashing when matters came to votes. For the revenue model, the ICC voted 8-2 in favour and for the governance structure, only the BCCI voted against. After Dalmiya’s rise to the top post, this was the first time that the BCCI saw all other members opposing it.

“The ICC has to treat every country as equal and finally, we are seeing encouraging signs on that front. When the BCCI wanted to implement the Big 3 formula, it promised plenty of series against South Africa, Pakistan and even Test tours to Zimbabwe. But they never honoured the MoU and these countries started losing trust.

And by the time Australia and England had new heads running the show, they realised the blunder they had made. Now, every board is united in favour of a revenue model and that’s how it should be. The BCCI doesn’t need so much money. It’s Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Pakistan and Sri Lanka who need the money badly. In a way, BCCI was let down by its own guard,” former ICC president Ehsan Mani told Express on Wednesday.

Soon after the February meeting, where the voting pattern was similar, the BCCI tried to convince West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and even held negotiations a day before the meeting in Dubai. But there was a significant change in the way the likes of Dalmiya or Sharad Pawar managed Asian votes. Dalmiya had brought the Asian bloc together and they remained by and large unified when it came to important decisions. This unity in the Asian bloc is not to be seen anymore, especially after former board president N Srinivasan allied with Australia and England.

“The BCCI has always wanted more money as it generates more revenue. But in the past, during Dalmiya’s period or during my time and even during Malcolm Gray’s period, the BCCI had ensured that even the Asian countries got their share. They in return stood beside India. But, over time, the BCCI has lost the support of its neighbours and that’s why it finds itself isolated. Not even Bangladesh voted for them today, which shows where things stand at the moment,” Mani noted.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/spo...or-bcci-lost-asia-lost-the-world-1598193.html

Thanks for posting this.

Let us not forget this is the view of Ehsan Mani a well known BCCI hater .

I did not expect anything meaningful from him.

 

[Ph_11]

If the ICC pools all revenue in a Minus India world, and contracts all international players centrally itself along the Australian domestic sport model:

1. All players from New Zealand, South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Pakistan obtain at least a $100,000 annual pay rise, and the top five players from each country obtain at least a $250,000 pay rise.

There would be tiered contracts:

Tier 1: $500,000 per year (e.g. Root, Starc, De Kock, Boult, Shakib)
Tier 2: $400,000 per year (e.g. Tamim, Watling, Philander)
Tier 3: $300,000 per year (e.g. marginal international players)
Tier 4: $200,000 per year (emerging young internationals)


2. And the Boards don't pay this: the ICC does, out of revenue from TV contracts. This requires less income than Australian AFL and NRL ALREADY obtain, and they don't sell rights overseas at all, let alone to India.

3. That only leaves players from Australia and England who may, in a handful of cases, suffer pay cuts. In practice, the only players who would would be Joe Root, Ben Stokes, David Warner, Steve Smith and Mitchell Starc, as all other players already earn less than 400,000 pounds per year.

4. I fully accept that India could and would go it alone, to answer [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] . My guess is that they would move to a 6 month IPL with contracts between $1 million and $6 million.

5. The ICC would respond the way they did with ICL, by making cricketers with IPL contracts banned from all international cricket.

6. At that point, pretty much every top class cricketer outside India who was over 30 with an IPL offer would leave.

7. So would every player under 30 who faced no prospect of a secure international future.

But every player aged under 30 would be happy to stay for a contract of $300,000 to $400,000 per year in their home country, plus the prospect of T20 top-ups (excluding IPL).

The players who would go would, in the example of Australia, be the likes of Dave Warner - now 30 years old - and inferior younger players like Sean Abbott.

keep on dreaming.

Last time this commune farming was tried in soviet bloc countries it did not end well.

All this to sideline BCCI.

Instead of playing these games why does the empire not focus on sports. You guys are good at games but suck at sports.

 

[Itachi]

All I can say about is, the repercussions will be hard. SC sonner or later, will give more authority to BCCI. And when that time comes, there will be a sense of revenge. It'll be bad for Indian cricket and international cricket.

ICC could make a stand because it has a person who knows BCCI inside and out. After him, ICC wouldn't be able to cope up.

 

[Ph_11]

All I can say about is, the repercussions will be hard. SC sonner or later, will give more authority to BCCI. And when that time comes, there will be a sense of revenge. It'll be bad for Indian cricket and international cricket.

ICC could make a stand because it has a person who knows BCCI inside and out. After him, ICC wouldn't be able to cope up.

Let us not talk about revenge.

Our focus should be fairness.

 

[Harpoon]

Foreign players are not an exclusive property of the ICC. If BCCI isn't part of ICC and wants to invite foreign players to come play in IPL or play matches - ICC cannot stop that.

OK. Easy way to prove this theory. Lets see if BCCI goes it alone now that its been kicked out. BCCI has been threatening other boards with this for the past few years. ICC has called its bluff and thrown BCCI a challange.

Lets see if BCCI has the balls to go it alone. Im betting it doesnt. It was always a hollow threat. And all the other boards knew it. Thats why they all ganged up against it. Now BCCI has no option but to be humiliated and accept what ICC gives it. CA and ECB have played a master stroke and im sure you know it as well.

 

[Ph_11]

OK. Easy way to prove this theory. Lets see if BCCI goes it alone now that its been kicked out. BCCI has been threatening other boards with this for the past few years. ICC has called its bluff and thrown BCCI a challange.

Lets see if BCCI has the balls to go it alone. Im betting it doesnt. It was always a hollow threat. And all the other boards knew it. Thats why they all ganged up against it. Now BCCI has no option but to be humiliated and accept what ICC gives it. CA and ECB have played a master stroke and im sure you know it as well.

I never said BCCI needs to go alone. Should be part of ICC and drop from LT.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I want India.

Cricket is poorer without the Indian team.

Just hope everyone comes to amicable solution and revenue sharing is accepted to some extent by India.

 

[msb314]

No need to jump the gun.

India needs ICC tournament revenue and should play. No point in throwing their toys out of the pram.

 

[tomato]

No need to jump the gun.

India needs ICC tournament revenue and should play. No point in throwing their toys out of the pram.

And ICC needs India to earn revenue so no need to NOT give what India wants.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Greedy little boards and ICC will destroy Cricket. Indians need to back BCCI here.

 

[Sidilicious]

All I can say about is, the repercussions will be hard. SC sonner or later, will give more authority to BCCI. And when that time comes, there will be a sense of revenge. It'll be bad for Indian cricket and international cricket.

ICC could make a stand because it has a person who knows BCCI inside and out. After him, ICC wouldn't be able to cope up.

I want India.

Cricket is poorer without the Indian team.

Just hope everyone comes to amicable solution and revenue sharing is accepted to some extent by India.

This is my biggest fear. The lovers of the sport will be the ones affected. We are the ones who are always affected amongst the politics. Be it India Pakistan series or handling of this situation.

But my understanding is that BCCI gang (anti COA) actually wanted this to happen so that they could embarrass the COA. In the end, I believe there will be an agreement with the extra $100mn.

I was always against the Big 3, as were most Indians I know. Especially since we devalued the asian bloc. But the fact is if you look at the BCCI's annual reports, it actually spends the money in cricket development all over India. BCCI needs the money, and its not like they are a big corporate only looking after its shareholders. They actually do it for the development of cricket.

 

[TalhaSyed]

So you are telling me that,

After BCCI pulls out of the ICC events and the ICC revenues decreases(lets not go into the exact figures but you will agree its going to be significant) the boards will also say no to the millions that a India tour brings?

Also banning the Indian team will have its political fall outs between the countries that ban India and India.

Just a few thoughts.

I'm not telling you anything - I'm just proposing a few questions as food for thought.

Also - please re-read my post. Where have I said that the boards will say no to touring India and the "millions that a India tour brings"?

I'm saying what if BCCI decides to 'go to war with the ICC' (Indian PPers words - not mine), and ICC don't roll over the way some people think they were and actually strike back?

A lot of Indian PPers seem to be under the delusion that BCCI and easily make what they are making without any support from the ICC or the rest of the cricketing world, but what will actually happen if the ICC remove that support and force their members to do likewise since 'they are at war with India'?

 

[tomato]

A lot of Indian PPers seem to be under the delusion that BCCI and easily make what they are making without any support from the ICC or the rest of the cricketing world, but what will actually happen if the ICC remove that support and force their members to do likewise since 'they are at war with India'?

We can still generate half the revenue but what will happen to ICC? from where they will support others? how long?

 

[Pete Rose]

I think there is always a genuine case to answer for what is money marked for cricket development achieving. How many new credible cricketing teams have been produced by the associates funding. That doesn't mean all funding is bad, but there should be a discussion on whether that's the best way to go forward.
For all the debate on this thread, there is nobody who believes that India should not get the lions share.
But I really do think, India needs to reflect on how things got here:
- by formalizing the big three it has engendered a reflexive dislike by everyone else; when the big three was unofficial most board could sort of accept it without having to acknowledge it
- by opting out of two tier test cricket they feed the narrative that while they want to be seen as the rightful drivers of the game, they are too chicken to put their money where their mouth is
- their treatment of haroon lorgat has left a sour taste in ppl's mouth: career administrators always find a way to strike back
- they have taken an adversarial relationship with the pcb for granted
- the BCCI (or perhaps what some Indian cricket fans point it out here) seems to have no solution to any negotiation other than 'we contribute to bulk of revenue, cricket will die without us, we will withdraw'. And they assume all along the boards will vote in their self interest financially and go along with bcci. Here's the thing, if you keep making everything a game of chicken, sometimes the other guy is willing to act irrationally.

In some ways the onus is on the bcci: make good on your threats or lose credibility forever. It shouldn't have come to this, but if you bring a nuclear warhead to a gunfight every time and don't use it, ppl will know you are all bluster.
For what it's worth, I don't think this is the final chapter, there will be some further yielding by ICC.
Personally, I would want the BCCI to retaliate, because at least it moves the conversation forward. Do your worse and we will see if we can survive. And if the ICC does survive this, BCCI will be infinitely weaker further.

 

[Pete Rose]

We can still generate half the revenue but what will happen to ICC? from where they will support others? how long?

Financially solvency of cricket boards is a relatively recent phenomenon. For a long time boards were willing to lose money while keeping cricket running. Might go the same way again. Nobody gets to have defintive answer who will survive.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Average cricket fan in India when finds out that empire is screwing us over again they could care less about a match. The $200 million is or club figure. Watch the finals and then discuss the figures.

Fairness is needed. Not theft.

Talk about yourself only. Do not talk about all fans. It is high time you start practicing what you were preaching to me. If I am not allowed to talk about honest and real indian cricket fans then who are you to talk about an average cricket fan in India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm not telling you anything - I'm just proposing a few questions as food for thought.

Also - please re-read my post. Where have I said that the boards will say no to touring India and the "millions that a India tour brings"?

I'm saying what if BCCI decides to 'go to war with the ICC' (Indian PPers words - not mine), and ICC don't roll over the way some people think they were and actually strike back?

A lot of Indian PPers seem to be under the delusion that BCCI and easily make what they are making without any support from the ICC or the rest of the cricketing world, but what will actually happen if the ICC remove that support and force their members to do likewise since 'they are at war with India'?

How many ICC members will actually break sporting ties with India even if ICC asks them to?Sporting boycott of a country is a big thing.It will have political/diplomatic fall outs. ICC or anyone is delusional if they believe a boycott of India will happen.

What will happen if ICC is declared a banned organisation in India?How many sponsors will risk sponsoring ICC and in turn get sanctioned in the Indian market?Which sponsor will like that much of negative publicity?Any ban on India will make this India vs ICC war not BCCI vs ICC.

The ICC has promised big money to ZIM/BD/WI/SL etc.Where will that money come from if the biggest market of ICC is gone?

 

[SL_Fan]

The initial $300 mil offer was unfair but $400-450 mil I think is a fair deal for all involved. In 2014 when the Big 3 got their way BCCI got around the $450 mil mark didn't they. Obviously India brings in the dough no doubt about that but BCCI should not be allowed to hold the game, players and fans for ransom just because. India needs international cricket just as much as rest of the cricketing world needs India. Any ways I don't see how BCCI can gain any more than what has been offered if they were to actually part ways.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

ICC or anyone is delusional if they believe a boycott of India will happen.

You are right. But those who think BCCI will pull out of Champions Trophy and IPL can survive without ICC, international players are also delusional.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The initial $300 mil offer was unfair but $400-450 mil I think is a fair deal for all involved. In 2014 when the Big 3 got their way BCCI got around the $450 mil mark didn't they. Obviously India brings in the dough no doubt about that but BCCI should not be allowed to hold the game, players and fans for ransom just because. India needs international cricket just as much as rest of the cricketing world needs India. Any ways I don't see how BCCI can gain any more than what has been offered if they were to actually part ways.

Read the posts of some fans here please. They think India can survive without ICC and can watch India A vs India B matches to defeat ICC.

 

[SL_Fan]

I don't doubt that India could survive but not sure what good will come out of it tho. Everyone would be worse off no doubt about that one. As cricket fans let's just hope sanity prevails

 

[shravan]

Talk about yourself only. Do not talk about all fans. It is high time you start practicing what you were preaching to me. If I am not allowed to talk about honest and real indian cricket fans then who are you to talk about an average cricket fan in India?

Same goes to you. Dont talk about all fans.

 

[Balthazar]

Let us not talk about revenge.

Our focus should be fairness.

I agree with this. But I really want to teach a lesson or two for Bangla cricket board. BCCI should come out and support two-tier system which they vehemently opposed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI will do well to turn this into a India vs ICC war from a BCCI vs ICC issue.The fun will begin then.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Same goes to you. Dont talk about all fans.

May be you should read my post properly before jumping into discussion. I already said if I am not allowed to talk about all fans then you should also do the same. Practice what you preach.

 

[shravan]

BCCI will do well to turn this into a India vs ICC war from a BCCI vs ICC issue.The fun will begin then.

It already is. the majority opinion is behind BCCI and rightly so too.

 

[Blitz]

In the English Premier League, clubs like Manchester United and Liverpool have a 100x the pulling power of a Burnley or Hull. Yet the premier league billions are shared equally. That is why the EPL is the biggest and most watched league in the world.

India makes money BECAUSE of cricket. Not the other way around. The sport of cricket owns that money, not India. Therefore, it should be used to promote cricket, to make it bigger, so in turn it makes more money for every one.

I think the BCCI lost its way a long time ago, and so did cricket, which has fallen behind so many sports due to the dollar. This is a step in the right direction, albeit still not a fair one.

This is just ICC tournament money. In my opinion, all international tours revenue should be put in one pot and divided up equally. Shocking that it isn't. No wonder cricket is still stuck with the same teams as always.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I agree with this. But I really want to teach a lesson or two for Bangla cricket board. BCCI should come out and support two-tier system which they vehemently opposed.

Lets teach each and everyone a lesson. Why single out Bangladesh Cricket Board only?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It already is. the majority opinion is behind BCCI and rightly so too.

Now just need the politicians to wade in and the fun will begin.

 

[JaDed]

In the English Premier League, clubs like Manchester United and Liverpool have a 100x the pulling power of a Burnley or Hull. Yet the premier league billions are shared equally. That is why the EPL is the biggest and most watched league in the world.

India makes money BECAUSE of cricket. Not the other way around. The sport of cricket owns that money, not India. Therefore, it should be used to promote cricket, to make it bigger, so in turn it makes more money for every one.

I think the BCCI lost its way a long time ago, and so did cricket, which has fallen behind so many sports due to the dollar. This is a step in the right direction, albeit still not a fair one.

This is just ICC tournament money. In my opinion, all international tours revenue should be put in one pot and divided up equally. Shocking that it isn't. No wonder cricket is still stuck with the same teams as always.

If the football model is what you are proposing guess most Indian posters are ok with that,world cup qualifications,Euro kind of championship most tournaments once in 4 years and year round club matches and hardly any bilateral.

And maybe IPL can have a Nagpur team and incase they cant pull as much crowd as RCB we can do the same.

Now if Fifa makes money from Epl ,la liga then yes similarly can be argued here , question is do they?

 

[JaDed]

Another thing BCCI can do is accept the proposal attend ICC champ trophy but take off salary caps and increase the length of the tournament.6 -8 months

This way ICC gets the revenue BCCI gets revenue from IPL and fans need not complain.No need window just allow clubs to bid at whatever they can maybe a higher upper limit.

 

[tomato]

This way ICC gets the revenue BCCI gets revenue from IPL and fans need not complain.No need window just allow clubs to bid at whatever they can maybe a higher upper limit.

This will work wonders

 

[JaDed]

This will work wonders

This will work even better if ICC revenues are lowered and lesser salaries of players but then there might be legal issues so BCCI under Supreme Court will end up playing.

 

[Blitz]

If the football model is what you are proposing guess most Indian posters are ok with that,world cup qualifications,Euro kind of championship most tournaments once in 4 years and year round club matches and hardly any bilateral.

And maybe IPL can have a Nagpur team and incase they cant pull as much crowd as RCB we can do the same.

Now if Fifa makes money from Epl ,la liga then yes similarly can be argued here , question is do they?

I'm note sure what you're getting at. Revenues earned on international tours should be shared, which is the model Fifa have. Do they make more then the EPL? How's that relevant. I'm not saying IPL money should be shared with the world. Just all international tours and tournaments.

 

[Red Devil]

Wonder how the BCCI's efforts to isolate Pakistan are going.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If the football model is what you are proposing guess most Indian posters are ok with that,world cup qualifications,Euro kind of championship most tournaments once in 4 years and year round club matches and hardly any bilateral.

And maybe IPL can have a Nagpur team and incase they cant pull as much crowd as RCB we can do the same.

Now if Fifa makes money from Epl ,la liga then yes similarly can be argued here , question is do they?

Football is a bigger sport than cricket. Following that model won't be easy. Firstly you will need quality players from all over the world. We only have 10-12 teams in cricket where as in football there will be hundreds of teams. Each country have its own league and some even 2-3 division leagues. You think cricket can compete with that system especially if BCCI decides to boycott ICC? Never.

There is no loyality and fan base for IPL teams. Teams are removed and added every 2-3 years. Same players play for 5-6 different teams in different leagues. Imagine Messi playing for Manchester United while he is still part of Barcelona team?

In football Leagues are superior than internationals whereas in cricket International matches are superior than the Pyjama League matches.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Wonder how the BCCI's efforts to isolate Pakistan are going.

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[IAJ]

Now just need the politicians to wade in and the fun will begin.

What fun? Why are you talking like small kids fighting when one of them who was beaten says; " just wait and see, I will come with my elder brother and then we will show you".

This is an issue between cricket boards and you want to drag your political elite in. This is so typical India and am surprised to see the posters here also have started thinking like this.

 

[khurram39]

India must pull out from CT and ICC. Must play its own cricket at its home.

 

[TalhaSyed]

We can still generate half the revenue but what will happen to ICC? from where they will support others? how long?

There are no doubts that ICC will be hit hard by a BCCI boycott.

But how would you please elaborate on how BCCI will generate even half it's revenue if ICC stop backing India and ask their members to do the same?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What fun? Why are you talking like small kids fighting when one of them who was beaten says; " just wait and see, I will come with my elder brother and then we will show you".

This is an issue between cricket boards and you want to drag your political elite in. This is so typical India and am surprised to see the posters here also have started thinking like this. Ahista ahista apne haqiqi rung dikha rahe hou tum loug.

Some of them even wants to teach Bangladesh a lesson.

 

[JaDed]

Football is a bigger sport than cricket. Following that model won't be easy. Firstly you will need quality players from all over the world. We only have 10-12 teams in cricket where as in football there will be hundreds of teams. Each country have its own league and some even 2-3 division leagues. You think cricket can compete with that system especially if BCCI decides to boycott ICC? Never.

There is no loyality and fan base for IPL teams. Teams are removed and added every 2-3 years. Same players play for 5-6 different teams in different leagues. Imagine Messi playing for Manchester United while he is still part of Barcelona tea
In football Leagues are superior than internationals whereas in cricket International matches are superior than the Pyjama League matches.

Fans are loyal to their clubs dude,that is a big misconception u r having right now,even now Csk fanpages are active,city rivalries due to language separation is huge.

You are confusing the 90s fan like yourself and me to average viewer, even Lahore vs Karachi match in PsL is having huge viewership.

I wasn't the one to bring football into the argument , someone else did defn i can reply no?

 

[JaDed]

I'm note sure what you're getting at. Revenues earned on international tours should be shared, which is the model Fifa have. Do they make more then the EPL? How's that relevant. I'm not saying IPL money should be shared with the world. Just all international tours and tournaments.

Im talking about how Fifa is ok with year around domestic leagues not to forget even Olympics dont get top teams of football so its no even a comparison

 

[TalhaSyed]

How many ICC members will actually break sporting ties with India even if ICC asks them to?Sporting boycott of a country is a big thing.It will have political/diplomatic fall outs. ICC or anyone is delusional if they believe a boycott of India will happen.

What will happen if ICC is declared a banned organisation in India?How many sponsors will risk sponsoring ICC and in turn get sanctioned in the Indian market?Which sponsor will like that much of negative publicity?Any ban on India will make this India vs ICC war not BCCI vs ICC.

The ICC has promised big money to ZIM/BD/WI/SL etc.Where will that money come from if the biggest market of ICC is gone?

No doubt the ICC (and consequently its members) will be hit hard by a BCCI boycott - there's no denying that - however, if cricket boards need to essentially pick sides between ICC or BCCI, how many will pick the BCCI and and thus isolating themselves from the ICC, ICC events, ICC funding etc.?

All I'm saying is if the BCCI decides to play hard-ball and boycott ICC tournaments - what happens if the ICC decides to also play hard-ball and isolate India from all things ICC related?

I mean what else can the ICC do? Roll over and give in to the BCCI's demands, or retaliate in some way, pressurising BCCI not to withdraw from ICC tournaments.

The bottom line is that no doubt the ICC benefits greatly from BCCI money, however, what many Indian PPers are failing to see (or not willing to admit/accept) is the fact that without ICC and other cricketing boards the BCCI is worthless. I wonder how many crore the Rajni Trophy, Duleep Trophy and IPL without any star/current international players would generate?

 

[TalhaSyed]

In the English Premier League, clubs like Manchester United and Liverpool have a 100x the pulling power of a Burnley or Hull. Yet the premier league billions are shared equally. That is why the EPL is the biggest and most watched league in the world.

India makes money BECAUSE of cricket. Not the other way around. The sport of cricket owns that money, not India. Therefore, it should be used to promote cricket, to make it bigger, so in turn it makes more money for every one.

I think the BCCI lost its way a long time ago, and so did cricket, which has fallen behind so many sports due to the dollar. This is a step in the right direction, albeit still not a fair one.

This is just ICC tournament money. In my opinion, all international tours revenue should be put in one pot and divided up equally. Shocking that it isn't. No wonder cricket is still stuck with the same teams as always.

You talk sense which does not go down very well with some of our Indian PPers here

 

[TalhaSyed]

You are right. But those who think BCCI will pull out of Champions Trophy and IPL can survive without ICC, international players are also delusional.

Exactly - BCCI are all talk and if they do make the (extremely improbable & insanely stupid) decision to rebel against the ICC and pull of the CT they will just be shooting themselves in the foot by giving into the demands of a few idiotic, thump-pounding nationalists, who feel their national pride has been damaged due to getting less money from the ICC

 

[big_gamer007]

Interesting news BCCI got played by ECB and CA.. Lol @ people thinking IPL can be like NBA or EPL it's not possible.. Cricket is different you need internationals, let's see what BCCI does next..

 

[shaz619]

Well ofcourse India and Pakistan encounters are fun and yes if India pulls out then fans will lose but this is not something only BCCI needs to think but also ICC.
It is ICC's responsibility to ensure compliance and fairness and the model being proposed isn't very fair. If BCCI feels it does deserve better than what's being offered they need to play hardball its quite simple. Whether it is salary negotiation ,a business negotiation or any boardroom deal - this is how it goes.
Until BCCI joined the Big 3 model - What good has the ICC done for the Indian cricket or SLC or Pak cricket ? Since a long time its been CA and ECB controlling the shots - why should it always be that way ?
BCCI rose to the big 3 group on its own - there was no lottery draw to include India in it - they forced their way in. The other option is to sit back and let ECB and CA run shots again - ICC is an empty entity - someone sits at the helm and calls the shots - why it be ECB and CA ? - No other SA board has been invited to be part of the "big 3" in the past 50 years and now they want to make that an exclusive club again ?

Yeah well you shouldn't have got in bed with CA/ECB, first chance they get will stab you in the back; it was better to stick with your asian brothers! Big 3 Ind, Pak and SL! maybe we'd have made a bit of room for the younger one as well

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Interesting news BCCI got played by ECB and CA.. Lol @ people thinking IPL can be like NBA or EPL it's not possible.. Cricket is different you need internationals, let's see what BCCI does next..

Nothing will happen. BCCI will not walk the talk as always.

 

[shaz619]

Exactly - BCCI are all talk and if they do make the (extremely improbable & insanely stupid) decision to rebel against the ICC and pull of the CT they will just be shooting themselves in the foot by giving into the demands of a few idiotic, thump-pounding nationalists, who feel their national pride has been damaged due to getting less money from the ICC

What I've gathered so far is both BCCI and ICC need each other, a middle ground would be great instead of swinging handbags because cricket fans should not be deprived in the end!

 

[shaz619]

Nothing will happen. BCCI will not walk the talk as always.

They won't boycott CT, worst case scenario if they do am sure they will still feature in the World Cup; CT is not that big a deal but feel sorry for all the fans who bought tickets to the India games from the other side of the world who have paid for hotel, flight etc

 

[JaDed]

Everyone keeps saying BCCI and India are all talk but look at the ones that are fighting.

Shashank Manohar ex Bcci vs existing crippled BCCI.

Others are merely enjoying and calling names and all support from behind.
None of the boards did nothing till Shashank became the ICC head(BCCI's fault).

 

[Ph_11]

India should boycott LT.

India should not leave ICC.

Empire has done that before. They taxed us on salt and we did boycott it.

Empire needs to quit cheating people. This will take time.

 

[Ph_11]

What I've gathered so far is both BCCI and ICC need each other, a middle ground would be great instead of swinging handbags because cricket fans should not be deprived in the end!

This is about empire and divide and conquer.

It is part of genetic makeup of empire to divide and rule.

 

[Ph_11]

Nothing will happen. BCCI will not walk the talk as always.

This man knows everything. Everything.

 

[Ph_11]

Govt sould notrelease money for LT.

End of story.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No doubt the ICC (and consequently its members) will be hit hard by a BCCI boycott - there's no denying that - however, if cricket boards need to essentially pick sides between ICC or BCCI, how many will pick the BCCI and and thus isolating themselves from the ICC, ICC events, ICC funding etc.?

All I'm saying is if the BCCI decides to play hard-ball and boycott ICC tournaments - what happens if the ICC decides to also play hard-ball and isolate India from all things ICC related?

I mean what else can the ICC do? Roll over and give in to the BCCI's demands, or retaliate in some way, pressurising BCCI not to withdraw from ICC tournaments.

The bottom line is that no doubt the ICC benefits greatly from BCCI money, however, what many Indian PPers are failing to see (or not willing to admit/accept) is the fact that without ICC and other cricketing boards the BCCI is worthless. I wonder how many crore the Rajni Trophy, Duleep Trophy and IPL without any star/current international players would generate?

ICC is ICC because of its members.If a member board decides it will not boycott India what will ICC do?Ban that member as well? India has enough leverage in enough countries to make sure such a boycott never happens in majority of the countries.Any ban on BCCI will turn this into a India vs ICC matter.Then it wont be BCCI that ICC will be facing,it will be the Indian Nation vs ICC. How many sponsors will choose negative publicity in India for sponsoring ICC events?What will happen when ICC events will be blacked out in India?

Will the boards of Lanka,BD or even SA do a boycott of India,considering such an act will harm diplomatic relations between these countries and India?You believe India will not use its clout and leverage to make sure such a boycott never takes place?The WI players will be very easy to poach with money.So such a boycott againist India wont work.

If all Indian stars play in Indian domestic cricket and we will be able to poach enough players from other countries for T20 leagues.

How much will the ICC revenue be without India?You think it will be the same?How much money will they be able to give the countries since their biggest market will be gone?You are assuming that revenues will not be affected much so boards will be willing to boycott India for the revenue share.

What if India starts offering the boards more money for touring India then they make in ICC?

 

[TalhaSyed]

ICC is ICC because of its members.If a member board decides it will not boycott India what will ICC do?Ban that member as well? India has enough leverage in enough countries to make sure such a boycott never happens in majority of the countries.Any ban on BCCI will turn this into a India vs ICC matter.Then it wont be BCCI that ICC will be facing,it will be the Indian Nation vs ICC. How many sponsors will choose negative publicity in India for sponsoring ICC events?What will happen when ICC events will be blacked out in India?

Will the boards of Lanka,BD or even SA do a boycott of India,considering such an act will harm diplomatic relations between these countries and India?You believe India will not use its clout and leverage to make sure such a boycott never takes place?The WI players will be very easy to poach with money.So such a boycott againist India wont work.

If all Indian stars play in Indian domestic cricket and we will be able to poach enough players from other countries for T20 leagues.

How much will the ICC revenue be without India?You think it will be the same?How much money will they be able to give the countries since their biggest market will be gone?You are assuming that revenues will not be affected much so boards will be willing to boycott India for the revenue share.

What if India starts offering the boards more money for touring India then they make in ICC?

So basically BCCI will become the Kerry Packer or the ICL (of the irony) of today.

How did those leagues end up?

Whats BCCI's thinking here? They boycott ICC events and ICC rolls over and gives them what they want?

Or BCCI ditches the ICC events without any re-precautions and continues bi-lateral series's and ICC business as normal?

Or maybe - just maybe - the BCCI realises that ditching ICC events will be shooting themselves in the foot and the only reason to go down that route will be to give their damaged ego a boost?

 

[TalhaSyed]

What I've gathered so far is both BCCI and ICC need each other, a middle ground would be great instead of swinging handbags because cricket fans should not be deprived in the end!

Absolutely!

However, some of our padosis are 'too patriotic' to accept this and think that Indian cricket doesn't need ICC's backing, and in some cases, doesn't even need the ICC's members backing.

 

[super hitter]

IPL is going to go down through the steepest of the slopes if India decides to leave International circuit.

Even AB Devilliers will loose his popularity if he exits internationals, leave the rest.

The board itself will face huge protests from its players and the fans.

Cricket without India is going to be more peaceful but they'll try there best to defame the Internationals somehow to make IPL in cricket what La Liga is in Football but a World Cup event can never be surpassed by any premier league.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Absolutely!

However, some of our padosis are 'too patriotic' to accept this and think that Indian cricket doesn't need ICC's backing, and in some cases, doesn't even need the ICC's members backing.

If even giving 20% to India is such a big issue i am sure ICC believes India's withdrawl will not reduce revenues by more than 10%(The amount on offer now).So all should be happy.

 

[super hitter]

ICC is ICC because of its members.If a member board decides it will not boycott India what will ICC do?Ban that member as well? India has enough leverage in enough countries to make sure such a boycott never happens in majority of the countries.Any ban on BCCI will turn this into a India vs ICC matter.Then it wont be BCCI that ICC will be facing,it will be the Indian Nation vs ICC. How many sponsors will choose negative publicity in India for sponsoring ICC events?What will happen when ICC events will be blacked out in India?

Will the boards of Lanka,BD or even SA do a boycott of India,considering such an act will harm diplomatic relations between these countries and India?You believe India will not use its clout and leverage to make sure such a boycott never takes place?The WI players will be very easy to poach with money.So such a boycott againist India wont work.

If all Indian stars play in Indian domestic cricket and we will be able to poach enough players from other countries for T20 leagues.

How much will the ICC revenue be without India?You think it will be the same?How much money will they be able to give the countries since their biggest market will be gone?You are assuming that revenues will not be affected much so boards will be willing to boycott India for the revenue share.

What if India starts offering the boards more money for touring India then they make in ICC?

Shagrid chaahe jitna be maahir kyun na hojaaye, ustaad se panga lena apnee taang pe eeent maarne ke baraaber ha

 

[Waseem]

ICC is ICC because of its members.If a member board decides it will not boycott India what will ICC do?Ban that member as well? India has enough leverage in enough countries to make sure such a boycott never happens in majority of the countries.Any ban on BCCI will turn this into a India vs ICC matter.Then it wont be BCCI that ICC will be facing,it will be the Indian Nation vs ICC. How many sponsors will choose negative publicity in India for sponsoring ICC events?What will happen when ICC events will be blacked out in India?

Will the boards of Lanka,BD or even SA do a boycott of India,considering such an act will harm diplomatic relations between these countries and India?You believe India will not use its clout and leverage to make sure such a boycott never takes place?The WI players will be very easy to poach with money.So such a boycott againist India wont work.

If all Indian stars play in Indian domestic cricket and we will be able to poach enough players from other countries for T20 leagues.

How much will the ICC revenue be without India?You think it will be the same?How much money will they be able to give the countries since their biggest market will be gone?You are assuming that revenues will not be affected much so boards will be willing to boycott India for the revenue share.

What if India starts offering the boards more money for touring India then they make in ICC?

That means those countries won't be able to play other countries, would India cover for their loss as well?

 

[JaDed]

Shagrid chaahe jitna be maahir kyun na hojaaye, ustaad se panga lena apnee taang pe eeent maarne ke baraaber ha

Agreed and ustads are CA and ECB here who have fired the shots on Manohar's shoulders.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That means those countries won't be able to play other countries, would India cover for their loss as well?

Depends how many countries side where?

Will ICC compensate the countries for the loss from India not touring them?A shortened tour by India in 2013 caused CSA a loss of $20mn.Think what a no tour will do.Thats with every country.

Will the ICC even be able to provide the money it has promised now to the countries?Will the revenues be same?who will take the cut for the decreased revenue when ICC wont have the Indian market to leverage its resources?And how much will be the cut?

So a board will lose revenues both from ICC share as ICC revenues will drop and plus the ICC will stop their most lucrative home tour and force to take a loss their as well.On top of that if BCCI starts offering million dollar salaries to the players to play in India,these boards will have to match that as well.

Good.Boycott India please.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shagrid chaahe jitna be maahir kyun na hojaaye, ustaad se panga lena apnee taang pe eeent maarne ke baraaber ha

Tell that to the ICC please.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Tell that to the ICC please.

Currently ICC is BCCI's father and in our culture we respect our father.

 

[super hitter]

Tell that to the ICC please.

Bro, just don't get over excited, IPL has already been going down the track and in just a few more years, the balance between the other leagues and IPL will be comparable.

Indian cricketers will loose their international repute and would be desperate to change their nationality.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Currently ICC is BCCI's father and in our culture we respect our father.

Please dont extrapolate your feelings about who is who to the Indian fans.Indian fans can decide who is what.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bro, just don't get over excited, IPL has already been going down the track and in just a few more years, the balance between the other leagues and IPL will be comparable.

Indian cricketers will loose their international repute and would be desperate to change their nationality.

Heard it in 2009 that IPL will die without Pak players.what happened?

IPL will not die because you wish it to.

 

[wrongun]

Best news for world cricket in long time.

BCCI can accept earning DOUBLE or go sulk & pull out of tournaments & pretend the IPL is quality rather than a twilight years retirement/local bowling machine fodder entertainment.

I love seeing a more equal revenue share. My main worry is that corrupt Zim will completely waste their $ and continue ruining their cricket.

Afghan deserve something to strive for and give them hope- my only worry is how can they ever play a home series?

Ireland actually have a worse domestic structure than Afghan, it is only County cricket which gives them a hope, but which paradoxically ensures their domestic will always be poor. I honestly think Ireland have hit their ceiling. Poor weather, sport not on 90% of sport fans there radar (I used to live there) and small population.

Gives me hope a proper Test Championship- top 2 play off for for right to play #1 position or similar every 2-3 years can get off the ground. Bottom Test team plays off against top Affiliate each 2-3 years for Test status.

 

[moghul]

As per Times of India, BCCI lost the voting by 1-9 margin, when revised their offer to win support, they lost by 2-8 margin, amazing, isolated.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Please dont extrapolate your feelings about who is who to the Indian fans.Indian fans can decide who is what.

So cricketjoshila = all indian cricket fans? I was telling that to you. From where did all indian fans come? Are you the spokesperson for all indian fans here? It seems this has become your pet dialogue in this thread 'don't tell this to indian fans blah blah'.