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We will have not 2 but 20 teams, and will grab the best players from the rest of the world too. Just like the NBA
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We will have not 2 but 20 teams, and will grab the best players from the rest of the world too. Just like the NBA
Cricket revolves around international matches unlike in NBA. In NBA, american players are the best of the best and you can't say the same about our players.
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We will have not 2 but 20 teams, and will grab the best players from the rest of the world too. Just like the NBA
Let's try it. It will be another corrupt league like the ICL with has beens and TTF's playing in it.
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So you are telling me you won't watch world cup and ICC events if India doesn't play ? I for damn sure will. Even 30% of fans stop watching, ICC will still do fine.
Why ICL and not IPL (with it million dollar players)?
Cricket now revolves around international matches. International basketball matches are played too, but the best players head to the NBA. The same will happen with cricket. In the real world money talks.
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I am talking about a scenario when BCCI will not be under ICC. Right now IPL is backed by ICC and intl players who take part in it are those who come under ICC. Without ICC it will be another rebel league like ICL.
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that just proves Indian income is dependent on other countries...ie India doesnt own all the money or the factors of production.
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How much money did India ask for again?What percentage?
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20%, wasnt it?
but this half lie of india generating 80% of the money needs to stop. if the other 9 countries disappeared, there would be no ICC or IPL. Other 9 are actually more valuable than India alone.
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Who else's income are you going to cut from Zimbabwe or the people making like 5 times more? Some people are just...
Who else's income are you going to cut from Zimbabwe or the people making like 5 times more? Some people are just...
BCCI isn't a charity organization, they have right to ask for certain percentage if they bring a lot to the table. With 1.2 billion population, they contribute a lot to cricket. If you are cutting from everyone certain percentage, then it should be equal cut (percentage wise), but which wasn't case. Otherwise, why would any other team support this?
The reverse of this logic wasn't used when the BCCI got a massive increase in funding compared to everyone else just a few years back?
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Because BCCI brings more revenue than everyone else.
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Can someone sum up the results of all this? Has India been shown the earth? Will India still play in the CT?
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You're making a big fuss for 3.5% of your yearly income
How can you even suggest cutting down from a poor board to help another poor board???
I notice you quickly went quiet on the 'issue' of the ICC building their own extension to the ECB offices in London for their employees over the next 3 ICC events...? Anything else to say on that topic?
This is an adapted version of what I wrote elsewhere, but it explains why the BCCI lost.
I should flag some points that the BCCI should be aware of. (Even though I think a compromise is coming).
BCCI ideas about holding the ICC to ransom are based on the principle "we deliver 80% of the money. They need us."
But that assumes the continuation of the current non-revenue sharing model. And that's a faulty assumption.
I established in my earlier post that Australia's three winter sports (Australian football, rugby league and rugby union) are each played and followed by around a third of the country, yet the first two each - without overseas TV sales - support 16 team leagues in which players earn $150,000-$400,000.
The BCCI's model in which India takes the best South African and Kiwi and Bangladesh and West Indies players assumes that they could only earn $50,000-$100,000 from their Boards in a Minus India world.
But look at the negotiations in Australia now. Cricket Australia has offered a contract in which even women's players earn $239,000 per year, but is refusing to sign its own offer.
That tells me two things. Firstly that they know that the BCCI might walk out. Not likely, but possible. And secondly that if that happens, they know that the $239,000 for women's players and $279,000 for Domestic First Class mens' players, combined audience zero, might need to be used to ensure that in a post-India world there are international opponents to play.
As I wrote, two separate domestic-market only football codes support 16 team leagues with every player on $150-400,000. Australian cricket alone could support the ICC.
But then there's England.
We all get bogged down on Indian TV money. But in reality, English Test tours are more positive for an economy because of the number of visiting fans filling the hotels of every city. I go to the Adelaide Test each year, but this year my favoured hotel insisted I pay $420 per night in full in advance, a year in advance. And [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] will understand just how gutted I am about this, because shortly afterwards I return home to England, and if I wasn't locked in to the Adelaide Test I could have watched Bananarama and Steps live on consecutive nights!
I'm sure a compromise is being thrashed out. But whereas the only PCB and WICB plans depend upon scheduling Indian tours, the failure of Cricket Australia to conclude their own domestic playing deal tells me that they and the ECB have a Minus India contingency plan, in which they fund a global revenue sharing model in which the ICC itself employs every country's elite players on contracts comparable in size to domestic Australian football codes, i.e. $150,000 to $400,000 per year.
Which, to be honest, is preferable to having to endlessly grovel to India.
Because I actually don't care if Mitchell Starc and Joe Root are only offered $400,000 each year instead of $2 million. And I still think they'd accept that until they reached the age of 30 and then went to India to cash in for five years.
And if it means that Quinton De Kock and Trent Boult earn $400,000 per year instead of $150,000, and are less likely to defect to India until they are 30 years old, it's a step forwards, not backwards.
I should flag some points that the BCCI should be aware of. (Even though I think a compromise is coming).
BCCI ideas about holding the ICC to ransom are based on the principle "we deliver 80% of the money. They need us."
But that assumes the continuation of the current non-revenue sharing model. And that's a faulty assumption.
I established in my earlier post that Australia's three winter sports (Australian football, rugby league and rugby union) are each played and followed by around a third of the country, yet the first two each - without overseas TV sales - support 16 team leagues in which players earn $150,000-$400,000.
The BCCI's model in which India takes the best South African and Kiwi and Bangladesh and West Indies players assumes that they could only earn $50,000-$100,000 from their Boards in a Minus India world.
But look at the negotiations in Australia now. Cricket Australia has offered a contract in which even women's players earn $239,000 per year, but is refusing to sign its own offer.
That tells me two things. Firstly that they know that the BCCI might walk out. Not likely, but possible. And secondly that if that happens, they know that the $239,000 for women's players and $279,000 for Domestic First Class mens' players, combined audience zero, might need to be used to ensure that in a post-India world there are international opponents to play.
As I wrote, two separate domestic-market only football codes support 16 team leagues with every player on $150-400,000. Australian cricket alone could support the ICC.
But then there's England.
We all get bogged down on Indian TV money. But in reality, English Test tours are more positive for an economy because of the number of visiting fans filling the hotels of every city. I go to the Adelaide Test each year, but this year my favoured hotel insisted I pay $420 per night in full in advance, a year in advance. And [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] will understand just how gutted I am about this, because shortly afterwards I return home to England, and if I wasn't locked in to the Adelaide Test I could have watched Bananarama and Steps live on consecutive nights!
I'm sure a compromise is being thrashed out. But whereas the only PCB and WICB plans depend upon scheduling Indian tours, the failure of Cricket Australia to conclude their own domestic playing deal tells me that they and the ECB have a Minus India contingency plan, in which they fund a global revenue sharing model in which the ICC itself employs every country's elite players on contracts comparable in size to domestic Australian football codes, i.e. $150,000 to $400,000 per year.
Which, to be honest, is preferable to having to endlessly grovel to India.
Because I actually don't care if Mitchell Starc and Joe Root are only offered $400,000 each year instead of $2 million. And I still think they'd accept that until they reached the age of 30 and then went to India to cash in for five years.
And if it means that Quinton De Kock and Trent Boult earn $400,000 per year instead of $150,000, and are less likely to defect to India until they are 30 years old, it's a step forwards, not backwards.
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Sorry yaar I haven't read all this thread so can't summarise. I think they will play CT. BCCI must pull out of ICC in terms of the money ICC get through them. They can still be part of ICC tournaments and FTP's. They BCCI will remain in a position of strength because of the money game. Hope two simultaneous cricket bodies don't get formed.
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The organising board rents the offices or uses its office space.ICC doesnt go around building offices for anyone.This is just a ruse to build a office for ECB.This is swindling money.ICC will not use these offices after 2-3 years and they will be used by ECB.This is corruption.
The data on the cuts are around.Do the maths and tell me who got how much cut. BCCI got a 50% cut.Let me know how much others got.
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The ICC had to vote on implementing two proposals, one financial one structural.
The financial one was the one talked about last month. BCCI's share would return to what it was before the Big 3 model was adopted and be reduced by 290 million dollars. PCB/ZCB et al would receive increases of around 10-15 million dollars if Im not wrong, Ireland and Afghanistan would receive 60 million dollars each per 8 years (still lower than everyone else but a massive increase on current) and Australia and England would receive minor cuts.
Structural changes involved the changing of the ICC voting laws to allow 3 Associates to vote (currently none do) and 15 people would vote on ICC issues instead of the current 10 being the ten full members. Also this includes a two test league system and a 13 team ODI system.
BCCI were unhappy and were offered by the ICC a compromise. They were offered an increase of 100 million dollars on last months proposal, to 400 million total. BCCI didnt want this, wanted same as in Big 3 model and proposed taking all of Ireland and Afghanistans proposed shares and ICC admin costs for themselves. So this was scrapped (due to the BCCI) and the original model kept as it was i.e BCCI losing 200 million instead of the compromised 100 million
With regards to the financial model, every board bar the BCCI voted in favour. With regards the structural model, only the BCCI and the SLCB opposed. BCCI for the first time ever didnt get their way through bully tactics and bribery.
Nothing is passed yet. Tomorrow could be a huge day for Ireland and Afghanistan as they both could be full members if everything passes if im not mistaken. Thats tomorrows main decision I believe.
India will likely play the CT because despite all the bluster money talks and India stands to lose far more money boycotting ICC events than they would lose from the new model. However we have to wait and see.
Then in June there is the ICC AGM where if these proposals pass here they should be rubber stamped.
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Many things.Which i have already said.
ICC cannot build offices everywhere its events are held.Thats the duty of the hosting board.This is ECB using Manohar and their influence to build a office for itself with ICC money.ICC will use it for couple of years then it will go to ECB.
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The proposals have to be passed at the ICC AGM to become law.Everything before it wont matter if the vote fails in June.Time for BCCI to suit up for a war.
I would like to know from whose share did the extra 19mn come that is being now offered to ZIM.
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BCCI have become a Mafia type organisation that doesn't give two hoots about the game.
As someone has said since the inception of the IPL their quest for more and more money will never stop.
I just hope all the rest of the boards remain strong and don't let them bully them.
This greedy board needs to understand that sport doesn't grow when one board wants everything it feels entitled, otherwise the sport becomes poorer and will die.
You need to spread the game but I think this argument has already fallen on death ears especially for the blind BCCI *******.
As someone has said since the inception of the IPL their quest for more and more money will never stop.
I just hope all the rest of the boards remain strong and don't let them bully them.
This greedy board needs to understand that sport doesn't grow when one board wants everything it feels entitled, otherwise the sport becomes poorer and will die.
You need to spread the game but I think this argument has already fallen on death ears especially for the blind BCCI *******.
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BCCI's.
But the BCCI bullied its way towards its extra money in 2014 anyway, so for it to act the victim here is quite ironic.
If any sense is to be had the BCCI will use its brain and accept the compromise. That way it retains a large amount of the gains it got through bullying in 2014 when they didnt give a damn about anyone else while everyone else stays happy.
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The replies above are far more informative than anything I can write on this topic.
Not been following it too closely but looks like it's a popular discussion.....
No, the ICC won't build offices everywhere where events are held, but if it's cheaper than renting an office, as building a small extension to the ECB offices will be compared to renting an office in London for multiple years to cover the 3 events, then it makes perfect sense to do that instead.
Also it won't go to the ECB as the office as a whole (including the extension) will be demolished not too long after the 2019 world cup as part of the Lord's redevelopment plan therefore the construction of the office extension for ICC staff will give next to no benefit to the ECB completely disproving your theory.
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So BCCI getting 20% was unfair.It was bullying.Good.I am sure if India dont play in ICC events the revenue loss will be less than 20%.Isnt it?
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Is India seriously considering pulling out of the CT ? [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] you bought tickets for the game didn't you lol
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How small is the extension? The ICC uses the offices of the host board during such events.Its ECB's duty to provide the space.
which 3 ICC events are scheduled in England and when?
When are the offices supposed to be built?
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I really hope India does pull out of CT. My respect for the BCCI will then jump from 1% to 5%.
ICC board members need to stick to their guns and not be cowered by these last minute desperate tactics from a drunk greedy organisation.
ICC board members need to stick to their guns and not be cowered by these last minute desperate tactics from a drunk greedy organisation.
Do you have a source of the host boards providing office space to ICC employees (with no rent being paid)?
I don't know of the exact size and haven't seen it, but I doubt it's particularly large as it's not like there's a massive excess of space around the current building to build the extension.
2017 champions trophy, 2017 Womens world cup, 2019 world cup.
I would assume the extension has already been built and has been in use for quite a while now by the organising committee.
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Ind would have gotten 290 + 200 = 490 mill in previous model?
The new model plus Monohar's negotiation 290 + 100 = 390 Mill.
100 mill cut of 490 mill is 50% cut (by our Indian friends posts)? What kind of Math is this? Which grade you learn this? My bachelor's certificate has Mathematics as minor. #facepalm.
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Who cares about ICC building in England which cost maybe 1 million$ when BCCI increased its share by 300 million$ using unfair Big Three model??? Typical deflection techniques by BCCI cheerleaders.... Talking about ICC operational costs (which are same as any sports body) when they are the ones who are greedy.....
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India stole 200 million$ from everyone else's pie with Big Three model.... Now they are acting like victims....
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I have seen ICC using BCCI offices during 2011 WC.I am also very positive that PILCOM used the BCCI offices for its meeting during 1996 World Cup.Its the hosting boards duty to provide the ICC with office space etc etc for the event.
The offices havent been built yet.So 2 of the 3 events are already gone by the time the offices are built.
Secondly you claim that it will be a small extension to the present office and not a new office building.Any source for this?
Just to give you a fact,
Budget for T20WC in 2016 was $45mn for 2017 CT is $135mn.Something smells fishy?
If you think that India needs the ICC to make IPL successful then you probably think India to be a land of snake charmers and the greatest technology in India to be the Railways built by the British.
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India would have got 570mn in the earlier model.That was cut by 50% to 290mn.Then raised to 390mn.
Please read a bit before making such comments.
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Good.Now if BCCI withdraws from ICC events.It shouldnot be an issue.Others can keep the entire share.
As an Indian I also hope they pull out. Let's see where ICC gets money for its $100 million office from
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That's fine, it may not be the best product right away but ICL paved the way for IPL so be it. Some people stand for what they believe in, doesn't come naturally to everyone
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Whatever, not everything is about money.
If certain players want to play mindless baloney 20/20 cricket in India instead of international cricket so be it.
But make no mistake the game will survive and it doesn't depend on India and BCCi.
Now that your greedy board is throwing their toys out of the pram because it's not getting what they want how about they backup their threat ??
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I hope so man, what the other boards think is irrelevant, need to focus on what is best for BCCI. Seeing some of the Pakistani posters here. Ames me chuckle - with PCB having no power financially or assertively, they expect BCCI to do the same. I'm curious if they can't handle these simple negotiations, I wonder how they assert their own value in the real world
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I hope they do it..... WI can replace them.... They're already more exciting to watch....
Besides BCCI isn't thekedaar of Indian viewers..... Indians can watch ICC events without BCCI participation.... Which is why it makes no sense to say ''India brings in most viewers so BCCI should get most money''.... Indians aren't BCCI employees!!!!
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Indians were watching PSL in big numbers too.... Should BCCI get a share of PSL revenue too? hahahaa
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Indians will watch a tournament that its team doesnt play in and has officially boycotted.Good.
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LOL.Thats a half truth.It was for one match and for online viewing on a website.
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Who would neutrals rather watch??? Alzari Joseph and Shanon Gabriel or trundler Kumars, Sharmas, Bumrah???
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Whatever.... Let's go with your made-up version: Should BCCI get a revenue of that online website one match???? Answer this....
Pakistanis also watch IPL.... Why no share for PCB
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Is it India or North Korea? So, the government controls what they can watch?
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Whatever.... Let's go with your made-up version: Should BCCI get a revenue of that online website one match???? Answer this....
Pakistanis also watch IPL.... Why no share for PCB
BCCI gets money from the Pakistani broadcaster of IPL.
Oh right, if you managed to identify members of the 2011 cricket world cup LOC using the BCCI offices then I'm sure you'd easily be able to name a few members of the LOC for that event? Even so, I'm not sure how them being in the BCCI offices proves that no rent was paid...
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Again, your source for this? The cricinfo article sourced below states the following :
which directly implies the office extension is intended to be used for 4 years, presumably 2016-19.
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Refer to the above statements.
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No, this isn't a fact. It's what was floated around by 'unnamed BCCIs sources'. Cricinfo evidently did some digging and came out with the following :
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Our country our rules.If most Indians dont have a problem(If they dont) then why any foreigner should bother.
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Indians watch tennis in big numbers without any tennis star.... Strange India doesn't ask for ''fair share of revenues''
) Indian viewers aren't property of BCCI.... BCCI doesn't have any more rights on them than Zimbabwe board IF ICC IS ORGANIZING THE EVENT THAT INDIANS ARE WATCHING.
In a fair world, every board would get same share.... Even new model where BCCI gets more revenue is travesty...
I hope BCCI pulls out if they can't understand this truth.... Indians who want to watch will watch, others won't..... And international cricket will live on without India.... Teams will add more trophies to their tallies, players will break records.... While cricketjoshila watches from the outside crying
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Indians watch tennis in big numbers without any tennis star.... Strange India doesn't ask for ''fair share of revenues''
Indian viewers aren't property of BCCI.... BCCI doesn't have any more rights on them than Zimbabwe board IF ICC IS ORGANIZING THE EVENT THAT INDIANS ARE WATCHING.
In a fair world, every board would get same share.... Even new model where BCCI gets more revenue is travesty...
I hope BCCI pulls out if they can't understand this truth.... Indians who want to watch will watch, others won't..... And international cricket will live on without India.... Teams will add more trophies to their tallies, players will break records.... While cricketjoshila watches from the outside crying
Next they will be demanding revenue share from FIFA for Indians watching the World Cup through illegal streams
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Yeah like ICC gets money from Indian broadcaster of WC.... Nothing to do with BCCI.
I am talking about PCB receiving money for IPL or BCCI receiving money for PSL (which they don't organize) because ''their'' viewers are watching.....
Its not hard to understand.... If you can't understand this simple point, leave discussion to smart people and go watch IPL....
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Wait, what happened to democracy and legislation? Did everybody sign up for boycotting international cricket? I did not know you speak for 1 billion citizens of India.
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NBA is what it is because American players are the very best in basketball.... Nobody wants to watch random mohit ***** rohit from domestic India.... People want to watch Starc, Root, Yasir, Rabada, Steyn, ABD etc... As well as 2-3 indian stars Kohli Ashwin.... India can't make NBA on its own....
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In 2010 i had the oppurtunity to visit the BCCI offices in Mumbai with someone.The ICC people where there in the offices and the offices were clearly demarcated as "World Cup Secreteriat".The offices were shifted to BCCI's offices from Lahore.
The ICC makes a budget for the event and things have to e done within it.Why do you think SLC went bankrupt post 2011 WC?They built new stadiums and had no one to pay for that.
The same article from 2016 Sep says that the office is proposed.The same article also says the the office will be handed over to ECB.
Answered above.
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No it wasnt floated around.It was in the draft budget of ICC for CT 2017.BCCI objected to it and raised questions.Cricinfo claimed 43mn USD.Manohar in an interview claimed 46mn USD. The exact amount is still unknown.
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The govt is a democratically elected govt.If they decide to ban then its the voice of the people's representative.
Thats why i said "If majority dont have a problem" then a foreigner shouldnot bother.
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Bhai let Indians decide who they want to watch. Now you will also decide who Indians want to watch.Let Indians decide that.
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If BCCI pulls out of ICC events, what's stopping ICC from putting some sort of restriction on its members from playing India in bi-lateral series's? 
What will BCCI's revenue be without any ICC Tournaments and restricted/no bi-lateral series's?
What if ICC and its members put some sort of ICL style restrictions on the players who participate in the IPL?
What would happen if the BCCI decides to go to war with ICC and in essence the rest of the cricketing world?
Will a 9 month IPL with a limited number of international players due to ICC restrictions be a sustainable and feasible option?
Just a few thoughts.
Of course none of that would actually happen - now would it?
What will BCCI's revenue be without any ICC Tournaments and restricted/no bi-lateral series's?
What if ICC and its members put some sort of ICL style restrictions on the players who participate in the IPL?
What would happen if the BCCI decides to go to war with ICC and in essence the rest of the cricketing world?
Will a 9 month IPL with a limited number of international players due to ICC restrictions be a sustainable and feasible option?
Just a few thoughts.
Of course none of that would actually happen - now would it?
cricketjoshila
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Indians watch tennis in big numbers without any tennis star.... Strange India doesn't ask for ''fair share of revenues''
Indian viewers aren't property of BCCI.... BCCI doesn't have any more rights on them than Zimbabwe board IF ICC IS ORGANIZING THE EVENT THAT INDIANS ARE WATCHING.
In a fair world, every board would get same share.... Even new model where BCCI gets more revenue is travesty...
I hope BCCI pulls out if they can't understand this truth.... Indians who want to watch will watch, others won't..... And international cricket will live on without India.... Teams will add more trophies to their tallies, players will break records.... While cricketjoshila watches from the outside crying
Pakistani wants to decide what Indians will watch.Now you will also decide when we will laugh or cry.why so much insecurity regarding what Indians will do.Indians will do what they want to do and not what Pakistanis want them to do.Poor You.You dont seem to get it.
Some years ago when i was a lurker here it was said that IPL will die without Pakistani players.what happened?
cricketjoshila
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If BCCI pulls out of ICC events, what's stopping ICC from putting some sort of restriction on its members from playing India in bi-lateral series's?
What will BCCI's revenue be without any ICC Tournaments and restricted/no bi-lateral series's?
What if ICC and its members put some sort of ICL style restrictions on the players who participate in the IPL?
What would happen if the BCCI decides to go to war with ICC and in essence the rest of the cricketing world?
Will a 9 month IPL with a limited number of international players due to ICC restrictions be a sustainable and feasible option?
Just a few thoughts.
Of course none of that would actually happen - now would it?
So you are telling me that,
After BCCI pulls out of the ICC events and the ICC revenues decreases(lets not go into the exact figures but you will agree its going to be significant) the boards will also say no to the millions that a India tour brings?
Also banning the Indian team will have its political fall outs between the countries that ban India and India.
Just a few thoughts.
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The money is paid by broadcasters because people watch that event.The maximum people watch from India as Indian team plays in that event.If Indian team doesnt play in the event then no need for ICC to pay India.
Just like Pakistani players dont play in IPL and Indian players dont play in PSL so no one needs to pay anyone anything.
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lol you are delusional. India needs international stars to make IPL successful.
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Indians cry when India doesn't get an umpire decision in their favour or Afridi hits 6 in Asia cup..... It's hard to see they wouldn't cry when other teams are winning trophes and players are breaking records and India gets nothing..... But you're right, I shouldn't assume, maybe they are braver than I think.... By the way will you go back to lurking after india doesn't play international cricket anymore or we can wait another 20 000 posts of BCCI defense???
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So Indians only watch World Cup for Indian players??? Then I guess Indians who watch PSL and Big Bash forgot the memo
) And if BCCI doesn't need other countries then why doesn't India hold a World Cup with India team only without ICC??? It will get same viewership as WC right???
How many people watched Pakistan vs India??? Has any IPL match ever gotten half of that???
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ICL couldn't survive without ICC and international players.
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NBA isn't watched by Americans only.... There is no mention of Indians in that post. Now you will decide the content of my posts too? Who are you to do that??? Do your bullying elsewhere!!!!!!
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There is no value for international matches in Basketball apart from Olympics. Cricket grew because of international matches and it exists today because of that. People don't care about Sussex vs Surrey match. Apart from Indians, no one cares about IPL and will never do that. You may be an unpatriotic person but don't expect other players to ditch their country and play in a league that doesn't guarantee a settled life style.
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So Indians only watch World Cup for Indian players??? Then I guess Indians who watch PSL and Big Bash forgot the memo
And if BCCI doesn't need other countries then why doesn't India hold a World Cup with India team only without ICC??? It will get same viewership as WC right???
How many people watched Pakistan vs India??? Has any IPL match ever gotten half of that???
Please don't compare an Ind vs Pak match with pyjama league match. Even a practice game between india vs pakistan match got lots of responses from indian and pakistani fans here. But IPL matches thread are getting a grand total of 8-10 replies per day. Shows how excited IPL fans are for these mickey mouse matches.
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Concern isn't here about the international players. Ofcourse India needs them - I am not arguing against that. however does India need ICC - No. ICC an entity is hollow like THE UN - it has no real powers - it is an administration board that tends to enforce the legalities.
If BCCI isn't under ICC jurisdiction - it doesn't have to follow its tune. If ICC couldnt force BCCI to play Pakistan or couldn't force any board to tour Pakistan or Force Bangladesh to tour Pakistan or prevent WI from leaving India mid tour - It's power is much limited. It's not the end all.
Whether it can prevent IPL or from India to host bilateral series - I don't think so.
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You're right, this is the beauty of international cricket.... Beyond money... Ashes or Ind vs Pak has no comparison in sports.... Karachi vs Lahore or Delhi vs Mumbai can never beat that....
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Other teams winning trophies and breaking records in what sport ? I'm certain you aren't talking about cricket.
Secondly, BCCI represents the Indian Cricket board and it's interests - whether it gets support from other boards or not isn't relevant because BCCI needs to do what's best for Indian cricket. If you have forgotten the ICC offer to India right now also is way way higher than what other boards get so don't get mistaken for that.
Thirdly, the BCCI thinks it deserves more and I rightly feel so and if they do decide to take a stand for it - all support for them. I am not sure if you have ever stood up for anything that you believed in your life but I certainly have and whether you get support from other little cricket boards or not isn't relevant.
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