BCCI loses vote in ICC revenue and constitutional changes

[USofA]

Media rights to CT already sold..... Nobody cares if India pulls out.... Ticket sales are chump change....

I don't think it is that simple. Just because the tv rights are sold does not mean everything is done and dusted. There has to be some fine print in the agreement. I am sure the TV people have certain clauses in the agreement. They are not going to just blindly give money without some guarantees to cover their costs and make money.

Also the advertisers also would have some kind of clauses tied to tv ratings, audience so that they can get the most bang for their buck. Somewhere someone is going to lose money.

 

[cricketjoshila]

From what I have read in the Internet, most Indian fans want BCCI to pull out from the CT. Hopefully that's what they do and show ICC that there can be no world tournament without India.

Why no world tournament?icc must organise its tournaments and keep its money.Bcci doesnt play they dont get the money.Bcci will play bilaterals and ipl and keep that money.everyone happy.

 

[Noobosauras]

Why no world tournament?icc must organise its tournaments and keep its money.Bcci doesnt play they dont get the money.Bcci will play bilaterals and ipl and keep that money.everyone happy.

I second that. There has to be no animosity here, its just not working out for us.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Ignore them, there is just jealous that of how good the BD team is. They are probably still hurting over the defeat BD inflicted on them at the T20 WC.

Those stubborn children should have to realise that bcb is a full professional board and they takes sides or take decisions on their own and only takes those decisions what only benefits them. They are not anyone's lap dog or anything. They don't care whether it is bcci or PCB or ca if it doesn't benefits bcb.

 

[USofA]

Why no world tournament?icc must organise its tournaments and keep its money.Bcci doesnt play they dont get the money.Bcci will play bilaterals and ipl and keep that money.everyone happy.

That's a good solution. It should be tried. Everything is black and white, no grey area.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Media rights to CT already sold..... Nobody cares if India pulls out.... Ticket sales are chump change....

All agreements have guarantees.if not fulfilled the agreements can change.

 

[Noobosauras]

Those stubborn children should have to realise that bcb is a full professional board and they takes sides or take decisions on their own and only takes those decisions what only benefits them. They are not anyone's lap dog or anything. They don't care whether it is bcci or PCB or ca if it doesn't benefits bcb.

true but expect the same from others. No one is totally with you other than yourself.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bcci will play bilaterals and ipl and keep that money.everyone happy.

How do you know BCCI will play bilaterals, IPL and keep that money? How do you know everyone will be happy? Who is speaking for everyone else now? Let BCCI and indian fans decide what they want to do and what makes them happy. Thank you. [MENTION=143285]tomato[/MENTION]

 

[Enigma_]

This thread

 

[Last Monetarist]

BCCI should pull out from the champion trophy/WC and also get the ashes cancelled. That would show the ICC.

Why stop at the Ashes? They should force all these so-called sports administrators to suspend the Olympics, Wimbledon, Champions League, World Series, NBA playoffs, Boat Race, Tour de France, The Open Championship, State of Origin and the upcoming Lions tour for good measure till they agree to treat the BCCI fairly. It's just sad and bigly unfair! Sick guys! (Not good!)

 

[cricketjoshila]

How do you know BCCI will play bilaterals, IPL and keep that money? How do you know everyone will be happy? Who is speaking for everyone else now? Let BCCI and indian fans decide what they want to do and what makes them happy. Thank you. [MENTION=143285]tomato[/MENTION]

Read the post i am quoting.Stop quoting my posts partially and lying.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

true but expect the same from others. No one is totally with you other than yourself.

In this matter every board is/were like current bcb long long before bcb turned like them from a minnow mentality board.

 

[JoniInsafian]

3139 was budgeted income.Actual was 2981.

It is there in the link. You have been harping about annual report all along, atleast open it now that you have made the claim. Seriously!!

http://relaunch-live.s3.amazonaws.c...ual Report 2015-16_FOR BCCI WEBSITE_FINAL.pdf

This is my last post for you. Be happy with your calculation, I do mine and I see a good reason to be agitated with what has happened. BCCI will do its own calculations and decide.

You and I are nothing here, lets see what unfolds.

Also I recommend Khan academy math lectures to you

Please tell Joshila Bhai to learn Khan academy lectures also..... As apparently his 2981 crores figure is also wrong according to you, and actual income is only 1100 crores according to you.... You really need to learn reading, it's not even a math problem now.... Are you dyslexic??????

 

[badsha001]

if India has played Pakistan a bilateral series, they wouldn't have lost the big 3 status and their money shares... It seems like a victory for Pakistan

 

[Ph_11]

Why no world tournament?icc must organise its tournaments and keep its money.Bcci doesnt play they dont get the money.Bcci will play bilaterals and ipl and keep that money.everyone happy.

True.

 

[Syed1]

BCCI tried to act big and got slapped back to their rightful place now all the defenders are having a hissy fit ) )


This is lovely..

 

[Ph_11]

if India has played Pakistan a bilateral series, they wouldn't have lost the big 3 status and their money shares... It seems like a victory for Pakistan

It is and a loss for India. It is a Pakistan win. It may not translate into series or money for them. Win yes.

 

[Ph_11]

BCCI tried to act big and got slapped back to their rightful place now all the defenders are having a hissy fit ) )


This is lovely..

Everytime a Indian wants a series with Pakistan read this post. Dripping with hate.

 

[ads101]

I'm a bit confused. The last model was unfair on India a huge reduction. But with a 100 mill added, where's the problem now? Isn't the percentage reduction similar for Eng and India now around 20%?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is a lesson for any sport body that exists in this world. Don't let your member boards sit on top of your shoulder. BCCI was nothing 25-30 years ago but as soon as they became powerful they became arrogant too.

 

[Enigma_]

I'm a bit confused. The last model was unfair on India a huge reduction. But with a 100 mill added, where's the problem now? Isn't the percentage reduction similar for Eng and India now around 20%?

They are just Greedy and Corrupt.

 

[Ph_11]

Those stubborn children should have to realise that bcb is a full professional board and they takes sides or take decisions on their own and only takes those decisions what only benefits them. They are not anyone's lap dog or anything. They don't care whether it is bcci or PCB or ca if it doesn't benefits bcb.

That is first board India needs to teach a lesson. It will come.

 

[Ph_11]

ICC have shown who is the father here. This is how you deal with a spoilt brat. And lol at those who think IPL can challenge international cricket. IPL with only indian players will be a big flop. It is funny because you pretend to be powerful yet want international stars to make your domestic tournament a hit.

Real losers will be honest indian cricket fans who will not be able to watch indian team play in the champions trophy.

I will be glad when India does not.

You do not get to decide who the real and honest Indian fans are. You are no one.

 

[Sidilicious]

For those calling BCCI greedy and corrupt, have you considered the simple fact that, given the Indian population BCCI needs to invest the most in its local cricket. And given the great job BCCI has done over the last decade, India should rightfully get about 25% of the share. We have a huge population and we need to ensure cricket thrives in India.

 

[Ph_11]

This is a lesson for any sport body that exists in this world. Don't let your member boards sit on top of your shoulder. BCCI was nothing 25-30 years ago but as soon as they became powerful they became arrogant too.

Asking for fair share is not arrogance.

 

[HitWicket]

Is there actually and figures out for what the reduction/increase will be for the boards other than the BCCI out of interest?

 

[Ph_11]

For those calling BCCI greedy and corrupt, have you considered the simple fact that, given the Indian population BCCI needs to invest the most in its local cricket. And given the great job BCCI has done over the last decade, India should rightfully get about 25% of the share. We have a huge population and we need to ensure cricket thrives in India.

These are haters you are talking to.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Time for India to pull out from ICC events and let ICC survive without it. Cricket is a dying sport without India, so good luck ICC. They will come begging if India stays away for just a year.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Everytime a Indian wants a series with Pakistan read this post. Dripping with hate.

As if you come here to shower your love with flowers on them.

 

[Sidilicious]

Why no world tournament?icc must organise its tournaments and keep its money.Bcci doesnt play they dont get the money.Bcci will play bilaterals and ipl and keep that money.everyone happy.

Could this be an attempt from Srini gang to get embarrass COA and take over BCCI again?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Asking for fair share is not arrogance.

Yes asking for share is not arrogance but blackmailing and not sending your team for tournament is.

 

[Sidilicious]

Yes asking for share is not arrogance but blackmailing and not sending your team for tournament is.

And what should BCCI do if they don't get their fair share?

 

[CricketCartoons]

And what should BCCI do if they don't get their fair share?

They should brown nose the ICC and bend over backwards to please the former colonial masters.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I will be glad when India does not.

You do not get to decide who the real and honest Indian fans are. You are no one.

If I am no one then who are you? I didn't call you a real honest fan just don't get offended by that. Keep watching your IPL.

 

[Big Mac]

This is a lesson for any sport body that exists in this world. Don't let your member boards sit on top of your shoulder. BCCI was nothing 25-30 years ago but as soon as they became powerful they became arrogant too.

The problem the ICC has is that it was never powerful compared to its members.

This was fine back in the day when the English and Australians ruled the roost because obviously they were more educated, genteel and well-versed in the 'spirit of cricket' and therefore it was their rightful place to tell the likes of Pakistani, Indian and Caribbean players how things should be done.

This because a huge problem in the 90's-00's as the Asian bloc became more powerful and India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh voted together and the old Imperial guard started clutching their pearls.

Then over the last 5-10 years things have changed as everyone is more worried about their wallets than what is good for cricket which led to the big three getting together and deciding to screw everybody else just because they could.


The ICC doesn't do much more than organise a tournament every couple of years and provide umpires for matches. The real power lies with the boards and always has, bilateral series and the FTP make a mockery of international cricket more than big bats or tiny boundaries and the idea that member nations can get together and take money away from associates is disgraceful.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

This is a lesson for any sport body that exists in this world. Don't let your member boards sit on top of your shoulder. BCCI was nothing 25-30 years ago but as soon as they became powerful they became arrogant too.

agree with you bro.
but dont you think that icc should have more authority regarding bilateral series ?
i feel miss out big time not being able to watch indo pak test matches.
and now that yonis and misbah gone. i dont think pak will be competitive now against India.
Disappointed

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And what should BCCI do if they don't get their fair share?

Just walk the talk for once.

 

[HitWicket]

And what should BCCI do if they don't get their fair share?

I give you a quote from a BCCI official that was put around in the media yesterday :

"The offer came from Manohar. He is the chairman but ICC is a members' body and the chairman doesn't decide who gets what share of the pie. It's the members who decide."

As he says, it's the members who decide and it appears as though they have decided, no?

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Western boards have put BCCI in their place.

 

[Ph_11]

The problem the ICC has is that it was never powerful compared to its members.

This was fine back in the day when the English and Australians ruled the roost because obviously they were more educated, genteel and well-versed in the 'spirit of cricket' and therefore it was their rightful place to tell the likes of Pakistani, Indian and Caribbean players how things should be done.

This because a huge problem in the 90's-00's as the Asian bloc became more powerful and India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh voted together and the old Imperial guard started clutching their pearls.

Then over the last 5-10 years things have changed as everyone is more worried about their wallets than what is good for cricket which led to the big three getting together and deciding to screw everybody else just because they could.


The ICC doesn't do much more than organise a tournament every couple of years and provide umpires for matches. The real power lies with the boards and always has, bilateral series and the FTP make a mockery of international cricket more than big bats or tiny boundaries and the idea that member nations can get together and take money away from associates is disgraceful.

These people are called thiefs. Empire has been stealing for centuries. They are good at it.

If ECB is so honest why dont they give up their UN vote also. Another relic of bygone era.

 

[Ph_11]

Western boards have put BCCI in their place.

Western boards with help of PCB abd BCB is stealing Indian money. Thiefs.

 

[Sidilicious]

And what should BCCI do if they don't get their fair share?

Since everyone seems to be a socialist here, let me explain to you what happens in socialism when a party doesn't get what it asks for. Of course, using non violent means..

1. Either accept it
2. Or Protest against it by not working and going on strike. Now, if BCCI does go on strike, it would simply be not sending a team to Champions trophy. If the company can survive without its biggest revenue contributor, then kudos to BCCI.

 

[Syed1]

Western boards with help of PCB abd BCB is stealing Indian money. Thiefs.

Take the moral high ground, stop playing cricket with thieves.

 

[Ph_11]

Congratulations to my Pakistani brothers for winning something off the field. Congratulations on your win.

 

[Sidilicious]

I give you a quote from a BCCI official that was put around in the media yesterday :

"The offer came from Manohar. He is the chairman but ICC is a members' body and the chairman doesn't decide who gets what share of the pie. It's the members who decide."

As he says, it's the members who decide and it appears as though they have decided, no?

So, if BCCI, being a member, decides to boycott CT, whats the problem in that?

Simple socialism.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

agree with you bro.
but dont you think that icc should have more authority regarding bilateral series ?
i feel miss out big time not being able to watch indo pak test matches.
and now that yonis and misbah gone. i dont think pak will be competitive now against India.
Disappointed

There should be a FTP schedule where each country has to play against each other once or twice in 2 years. Right now its only about money and boards only arrange series if there is money involved in it. They all talk about making cricket popular in the world but can't invite teams like ireland, bangladesh, zimbabwe at home.

 

[Big Mac]

Western boards with help of PCB abd BCB is stealing Indian money. Thiefs.

Did you cry this much when the BCCI stole money from the associate nations who need it much more than any of the test nations do?

 

[Major]

Tag me when BCCI pulls out of CT

 

[bleaf27]

BCCI tried to act big and got slapped back to their rightful place now all the defenders are having a hissy fit ) )


This is lovely..

Slapped for what? They are still warning more than PCB and they till will, you realize how much they are offered right now. And the fight to want more should continue. An alien concept to Pakistani fans so don't worry, watch us fight, you guys might grow a pair

 

[leg-side-flick]

This is a lesson for any sport body that exists in this world. Don't let your member boards sit on top of your shoulder. BCCI was nothing 25-30 years ago but as soon as they became powerful they became arrogant too.

BCCI is rightfully seeking higher share, I really don't know why anyone would think otherwise.....

Also this point of bcci being nobody some 25/30 years ago is plain rubbish. Sachin Tendulkar was a nobody 30 years ago, he grew in these years and hence won't behave in same manner....

 

[Noobosauras]

Western boards have put BCCI in their place.

True, to a place which they think a uppity brownie deserves.

 

[Ph_11]

Did you cry this much when the BCCI stole money from the associate nations who need it much more than any of the test nations do?

Quit spewing lies. You steal money from BCCI not other way around.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Tag me when BCCI pulls out of CT

remind me of avicii song.
wake me up when its all over.

 

[bleaf27]

Alternate organisation? Is it that simple? Just give it a try.

Who said it was simple? If it does come down to thar surely, there are people in the world who aren't as comfortable as you with status quo. ICC is a hollow entity which stands on other boards and if those pillars move away then ICC is as redundant as the UN.
If BCCI isn't under ICCs jurisdiction it doesn't have to answer them.

 

[Noobosauras]

The problem the ICC has is that it was never powerful compared to its members.

This was fine back in the day when the English and Australians ruled the roost because obviously they were more educated, genteel and well-versed in the 'spirit of cricket' and therefore it was their rightful place to tell the likes of Pakistani, Indian and Caribbean players how things should be done.

This because a huge problem in the 90's-00's as the Asian bloc became more powerful and India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh voted together and the old Imperial guard started clutching their pearls.

Then over the last 5-10 years things have changed as everyone is more worried about their wallets than what is good for cricket which led to the big three getting together and deciding to screw everybody else just because they could.


The ICC doesn't do much more than organise a tournament every couple of years and provide umpires for matches. The real power lies with the boards and always has, bilateral series and the FTP make a mockery of international cricket more than big bats or tiny boundaries and the idea that member nations can get together and take money away from associates is disgraceful.

I am sure you agree with white man's burden as well

 

[Last Monetarist]

"Make BCCI Great Again" seems to be the motto for a lot of malleable Indian posters on here. I believe they don't want the Irish or Afghan immigrants taking away their hard-earned cash. Always out for number one. Such fine, upstanding individuals.

Good riddance in an ideal world, I say. The game belongs to everyone.

Cynically though, the real world doesn't work that way often and I don't see this state of affairs lasting for much long. It's a flimsy Nash Equilibrium at best. There will always be someone angling to break ranks, and when someone does we'll see the whole wretched stack of dominoes falling. It might even be the idiots at the PCB being duped again. That is what we should fear at least.

 

[Ph_11]

Brothers hold the fort. I have to work so that I can pay for the freeloaders.

Can I carry the englishman on my back too.

 

[HitWicket]

Brothers hold the fort. I have to work so that I can pay for the freeloaders.

Can I carry the englishman on my back too.

These would be the same Englishmen who are also still getting their payout cut as well?

 

[Last Monetarist]

You think any of the events you listed can happen without India. India is a superpower, if their viewers decide to boycott any event then that event would cease to exist. Also the world's best female tennis player is from India, even if only she boycotts, tennis would be over.

I agree. You should be drafting a protest letter to FIFA right now. Take care not to misappropriate Serena Williams' nationality as Indian though, it might give the whole game away.

 

[Big Mac]

I am sure you agree with white man's burden as well

Sarcasm, how does it work?

Brothers hold the fort. I have to work so that I can pay for the freeloaders.

Can I carry the englishman on my back too.

You might want to sit down, let me tell you about this thing called taxes...

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

It's time for India to pull out from ICC altogether.

 

[JoniInsafian]

For those calling BCCI greedy and corrupt, have you considered the simple fact that, given the Indian population BCCI needs to invest the most in its local cricket. And given the great job BCCI has done over the last decade, India should rightfully get about 25% of the share. We have a huge population and we need to ensure cricket thrives in India.

This money is 1/20th of total BCCI revenue. It won't make a big difference to development of cricket in India. To Ireland or Afghanistan, it's life or death.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

We need FIFA like independant body to control cricket and board power should be devolved to a vote.

Took BCCI 2 years to wreck cricket with their corruption. This can't be repeated.

 

[Napa]

Cricket at the international level is an odd game. One country produces 70% of the revenues but 15 countries have votes.

The only other sport that is similar is basketball, and I think cricket is headed towards the NBA model.

Time for India to make sure its interests are protected.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

To all the people claiming that India brings in X number of dollars: How was it calculated? Does India vs Netherland bring the same revenue as say India vs Pakistan or India vs Australia? If the answer is 'no', then how do you account for the effect of the opponent in the revenue generated? Or is the revenue claim just based on the number of Indians watching a game? If so, then should India be getting paid money just because lots of Indians watch the world cup soccer final? Finally, if India is bringing X amount of revenue then why worry? Just get out of ICC and keep bringing the same X amount of revenue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They're saying my math is wrong.... When they don't understand the figures....

BCCI total income is 500 millions pa, they ''lose'' 280 millions over 8 years so it's 7%.......

In 2011 (where the graph above is from).... they earned half since it was before big 3, so the share of half of ICC income is 3.5%.....

But a wider point is that media saying that BCCI is losing 280 millions are wrong.... Since the 280 millions come from big three change... Compared to 3 years ago, BCCI isn't losing anything.... It's only a loss of potential increased income.....

So BCCI should make the same in 2015 to 2023 that they made in the last cycle? While other boards get a raise. ECB gets to build a new office. Afghanistan and Ireland get money.

Riight?

Btw your understanding of BCCI revenues are a bit flawed.BCCI income isnt same every year.The year you quoted has a one time income from compensation of cancelling CLT20.

 

[Syed1]

If Indians watching the matches brings in so much money India should form two teams and play within itself. 100% of the audience would be Indians, imagine how much money it will make. Everybody would be happy.

 

[HitWicket]

So BCCI should make the same in 2015 to 2023 that they made in the last cycle? While other boards get a raise. ECB gets to build a new office. Afghanistan and Ireland get money.

Riight?

Btw your understanding of BCCI revenues are a bit flawed.BCCI income isnt same every year.The year you quoted has a one time income from compensation of cancelling CLT20.

The ECB and CA get a cut as well. The ECB don't get a new office, the ICC are building an extension on to the ECB office for their own organising committees in England for the next few ICC events there.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

so Indian posters, what's the likelihood of a boycott? Whats the media reactions back home?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ECB and CA get a cut as well. The ECB don't get a new office, the ICC are building an extension on to the ECB office for their own organising committees in England for the next few ICC events there.

Did ICC build an extension to offices of BCCI in India for 2011 WC?? 2016 world T 20? What will happen after the events are done in 2017 and 2019?Who will use the offices?

Can you please tell me how much cut CA and ECB take and how much did BCCI take?

Also what is the financial logic of this distribution?

 

[badsha001]

If Indians watching the matches brings in so much money India should form two teams and play within itself. 100% of the audience would be Indians, imagine how much money it will make. Everybody would be happy.

Why stop at three? Make 8 Teams and play their own Champions Trophy in India ...

 

[cricketjoshila]

so Indian posters, what's the likelihood of a boycott? Whats the media reactions back home?

No one knows yet.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

No one knows yet.

your own opinion?

 

[HitWicket]

Did ICC build an extension to offices of BCCI in India for 2011 WC?? 2016 world T 20? What will happen after the events are done in 2017 and 2019?Who will use the offices?

Can you please tell me how much cut CA and ECB take and how much did BCCI take?

Also what is the financial logic of this distribution?

All the ICC events would have had the ICC renting some kind of office space somewhere for their organising committee, it's just with 3 ICC events in 3 years the ICC have decided it would be more financially efficient to build a small extension onto the ECB offices (with the land already owned) instead of renting an office in London for that period. In any case, it's for the ICCs benefit and for their employees therefore in their interest to reduce costs, and doesn't benefit the ECB in any way.

The data on the cuts is around, I'm sure you can work out the percentages yourself.

 

[JaDed]

your own opinion?

Everyone is busy with IPL and BJP's little victory in Delhi and some racism against Indians in Emirates and JEt airlines.

The news is not able to trend,way too many "breaking" news and Bahubali 2 releasing in the weekend as well.

 

[dildildalwalla]

Mark my words and come back to this post in a years time when nothing changes:

1. India will be in the CT

2. The big three model will not change in reality, although outwardly it may look to have gone away

 

[Shutdown Corner]

If Indians watching the matches brings in so much money India should form two teams and play within itself. 100% of the audience would be Indians, imagine how much money it will make. Everybody would be happy.

exactly.

India vs ROI final as Prithvi Championship akin to American world series baseball. lets what Indians pay to watch when foreigners are out.

 

[JaDed]

If Indians watching the matches brings in so much money India should form two teams and play within itself. 100% of the audience would be Indians, imagine how much money it will make. Everybody would be happy.

exactly.

India vs ROI final as Prithvi Championship akin to American world series baseball. lets what Indians pay to watch when foreigners are out.

Irrespective of the money,right now with so many protests that would actually be good for country,every weekend IPL city matches because this seems to be the only thing that people on social networks sadly care about.

Sad part is neither Supreme court will allow nor BCCI will have the courage to go all out but it probably be right to happen.

 

[aloo paratha]

3% sai konsa theer marlogay?

 

[Napa]

If Indians watching the matches brings in so much money India should form two teams and play within itself. 100% of the audience would be Indians, imagine how much money it will make. Everybody would be happy.

We will have not 2 but 20 teams, and will grab the best players from the rest of the world too. Just like the NBA