BCCI wants 'no terror attack' guarantee following Pakistan Cricket Board's 'visa assurance' demand

[MenInG]

With the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chief Executive Wasim Khan saying that the board has asked for written assurance from the ICC that there will not be any visa related issues from the Indian government when the team comes to play the 2021 T20 World Cup and the 2023 World Cup in country, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has asked for a ‘no terror attack guarantee from the PCB.

Speaking to IANS, a BCCI official said that while the ICC rules clearly state that there should be no governmental interference in the running of the game, the same also applies for cricket boards and they shouldn't interfere in the running of the government. The official then asked the PCB to provide a written guarantee that there will be no hostility at the border before asking for visa-related assurance from the Indian board.

"Can the PCB give an assurance in writing that the Pakistan government would ensure that no illegal incursions into India takes place from the Pakistani side or that there's no violation of the cease-fire or that no act of terror takes place on Indian soil originating in Pakistan or that no repeat of Pulwama type incident takes place?

"The ICC mandates that there should be no interference of governments in the administration of the game and the corollary would be that a sports board doesn't attempt to interfere with how a government functions. It's time the PCB realises that and stops acting like an agent for an individual in the ICC who is known to work against the interest of India. All I would say is that India is a wonderful country and acts in the most balanced way," the official pointed.

Wasim Khan in an interview said: "We are also looking at the fact that the ICC World Cups are to be hosted in India in 2021 and 2023 and we have already asked the ICC to give us written assurances from BCCI that we will not face any problems getting visas and clearance to play in India."

He also said that many Pakistan squads for different sports were not given clearance by the Indian government to play in India in recent times. "That is why we have asked for the advance assurances. But eventually it is an ICC event and it is their responsibility to ensure we as a full member and signatory of the participants agreement go and play in these ICC events," he said.

The statement from Khan doesn't hold much weight as the Indian government had already solved the issue with regards to granting visas to athletes from different countries in case of multi-nation sporting events in June 2019.

After issues with hosting a few international sporting events last year, then Union Sports Secretary Radhey Shyam Julaniya had written to Indian Olympic Association (IOA) chief Narinder Batra, saying that they are looking forward to co-operate with the International Olympic Committee (IOC) on hosting future international sporting events. The letter was also marked to IOC chief Thomas Bach.

In the letter, accessed by IANS, Julaniya had said that the Indian government would permit all qualifying athletes belonging to any nationality to participate in sporting events without any prejudice.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...n-cricket-boards-visa-assurance-demand/611916

 

[Hitman]

BCCI doesn’t provide visa, the Govt. of India does.

 

[the eslah]

That is difficult Ask from BCCI. Who know wheter we are violating cease fire or indian they always blame us and we alway blame them for cease-fire violation.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This reminds me of the meeting of 5 families in Godfather.

Imagining Ganguly delivering Vitos speech.

 

[MenInG]

BCCI doesn’t provide visa, the Govt. of India does.

But BCCI spokesman happy to talk about politics etc?

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Speaking to IANS, a BCCI official said that while the ICC rules clearly state that there should be no governmental interference in the running of the game, the same also applies for cricket boards and they shouldn't interfere in the running of the government. The official then asked the PCB to provide a written guarantee that there will be no hostility at the border before asking for visa-related assurance from the Indian board.

"Can the PCB give an assurance in writing that the Pakistan government would ensure that no illegal incursions into India takes place from the Pakistani side or that there's no violation of the cease-fire or that no act of terror takes place on Indian soil originating in Pakistan or that no repeat of Pulwama type incident takes place?

 

[tahir_dj]

You cant expect anything better from the midget mindsets.
The event shouldnt happen in inda anyway

 

[gazza619]

BCCI doesn’t provide visa, the Govt. of India does.

Agreed. I think PCB’s plan is to push for the event to be moved out of India if they cant provide assurances.

It may not work but PCB needs to ensure to do whatever possible to avoid any last minute embarrassments whereby Modi refuses to grant visas for Pakistan cricketers for his stinking political gain.

 

[gazza619]

But BCCI spokesman happy to talk about politics etc?

==

Speaking to IANS, a BCCI official said that while the ICC rules clearly state that there should be no governmental interference in the running of the game, the same also applies for cricket boards and they shouldn't interfere in the running of the government. The official then asked the PCB to provide a written guarantee that there will be no hostility at the border before asking for visa-related assurance from the Indian board.

"Can the PCB give an assurance in writing that the Pakistan government would ensure that no illegal incursions into India takes place from the Pakistani side or that there's no violation of the cease-fire or that no act of terror takes place on Indian soil originating in Pakistan or that no repeat of Pulwama type incident takes place?

Exactly! BCCI plays more politics then the politicians themselves..

 

[Rana]

After that statement, I recon PCB should not be forced to travel to India

This is enough proof that BCCI doesn’t have PCB’s security in its interest

 

[hitthestump]

That is a disgusting response from the BCCI official. Intolerant India rears its ugly head again.

The PCB should consider the bigger picture here and think about withdrawing themselves from events in India citing that very response.

How can a sports team travel to a nation which is becoming increasingly warped by it's own hatred?

 

[Titan24]

"Can the PCB give an assurance in writing that the Pakistan government would ensure that no illegal incursions into India takes place from the Pakistani side or that there's no violation of the cease-fire or that no act of terror takes place on Indian soil originating in Pakistan or that no repeat of Pulwama type incident takes place?

Thats an unprofessional and a poor statement. How does assurance of visas for cricket players relate to any of the so called things BCCI is talking about? Like they really believe they are similar issues or they went bit further with their mental chess.

There are two ICC events planed to happen in India in next 3 years and ICC needs to make sure all the eligible teams are invited and are hosted well. If there is any lapse here then it would create a precedent which you dont want in sports which will also give rise to other cricketing boards questioning quite a few things.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Agreed. I think PCB’s plan is to push for the event to be moved out of India if they cant provide assurances.

It may not work but PCB needs to ensure to do whatever possible to avoid any last minute embarrassments whereby Modi refuses to grant visas for Pakistan cricketers for his stinking political gain.

This. Also, BCCI has the power to lobby Indian government over visas.

 

[MenInG]

Ehsan Mani has stated that he has raised with the ICC the issue of visas for Pakistani cricketers for upcoming ICC Events in India and asked for assurances that the Pakistan cricket team will face no problems in getting visas for those tournaments

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Wow so PCB was talking about Visas and BCCI took it to somewhere else? What has PCB got to do with terror attacks?

This is why I call BCCI hypocrites. They want money and profit from China even when they are killing our soldiers and plan to destroy(according to news channesls) India. A virus from China killed so many Indians. Will they ask Vivo to give a guarantee that neither corona virus nor chinese soldiers will kill Indians?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Thats an unprofessional and a poor statement. How does assurance of visas for cricket players relate to any of the so called things BCCI is talking about? Like they really believe they are similar issues or they went bit further with their mental chess.

There are two ICC events planed to happen in India in next 3 years and ICC needs to make sure all the eligible teams are invited and are hosted well. If there is any lapse here then it would create a precedent which you dont want in sports which will also give rise to other cricketing boards questioning quite a few things.

This is the dumbest statement ever from BCCI. PCB's concern were genuine and 100% related to cricket but BCCI is talking about something else.

 

[nextover666666]

Wow look at the BCCI dumb and ignorant mindset, the World Cup should not even be hosted in India due to many reasons but considering the rate the pandemic is growing in that country I don't think they should host anybody for the next 2 year should be shipped to New Zealand or West Indies

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

BCCI doesn’t provide visa, the Govt. of India does.

I have never seen PCB taking responsibility of any terror attack in India either. What are BCCI on about? What kind of irresponsible statement coming from the richest cricket board in the world?

 

[El Generico]

BCCI doesn’t provide visa, the Govt. of India does.

and you think PCB plans terror attacks?

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Wow so PCB was talking about Visas and BCCI took it to somewhere else? What has PCB got to do with terror attacks?

This is why I call BCCI hypocrites. They want money and profit from China even when they are killing our soldiers and plan to destroy(according to news channesls) India. A virus from China killed so many Indians. Will they ask Vivo to give a guarantee that neither corona virus nor chinese soldiers will kill Indians?

most unprofessional comment i ever came across from an Top sporting body. plain disgusting.
even The Great Ijaz Butt looks professional infront of these hypocrites

 

[CanadianG00se]

Whoever this official was giving interview, needs to be booted out. PCB were perfectly reasonable asking assurance from ICC( visas and safety), and if GOI doesn’t issue visas then tournament must move out of India.

 

[FreakCricket]

Dabur ka tail doing wonders, our Baber - e - Azam will do justice once again.

 

[sweep_shot]

Strange demand from BCCI. Politics shouldn't interfere with cricket.

 

[Zaz]

What a disgusting and totally unprofessional reply

Just shows the mindset thats pervading the society across the border

 

[Rajdeep]

Whoever this official was giving interview, needs to be booted out. PCB were perfectly reasonable asking assurance from ICC( visas and safety), and if GOI doesn’t issue visas then tournament must move out of India.

Not really.

You only ask for assurance if something immoral happened to you in the past. Pakistan played 2016 T20 WC in India under the same govt regime. Were they not provided visa and security back then? So what changed now? Unless someone from BCCI/GOI has specifically said that visas will not be granted for Pakiatani players...what assurance they want? If they were provided visa back in 2016...what makes them think they wont get visa in 2021?

BCCI is right that no one can give assurance to anything for events which is so far away.
If a situation arise where political situation goes totally south by then and govt is forced to block visa for Pakistani citizens, what can BCCI do?

Wasim Khan is trying to play smart here by asking for written assurances for events that are scheduled in 2021 and 2023, so that if GOI refuses visa at last minute due to unforseen events, PCB can drag BCCI to court. Why would BCCI even take such risk?

Forget cricket or sports, no one will give you written assurance in life for anything that will happen in future.

 

[ravisurya]

Would like to know who that dumb official is.

 

[Energy]

It is strange that BCCI want guarantee from the PCB on a matter that is not remotely related to cricket.

In the middle of this ICC is being made to look like a fool.

 

[ravisurya]

Considering it s from an "unnamed" official, it should be taken with a pinch on salt and also the website which has posted this has a history of trying to sensationalize this kind of "news" from unnamed sources for a while now.

 

[Rana]

Not really.

You only ask for assurance if something immoral happened to you in the past. Pakistan played 2016 T20 WC in India under the same govt regime. Were they not provided visa and security back then? So what changed now? Unless someone from BCCI/GOI has specifically said that visas will not be granted for Pakiatani players...what assurance they want? If they were provided visa back in 2016...what makes them think they wont get visa in 2021?

BCCI is right that no one can give assurance to anything for events which is so far away.
If a situation arise where political situation goes totally south by then and govt is forced to block visa for Pakistani citizens, what can BCCI do?

Wasim Khan is trying to play smart here by asking for written assurances for events that are scheduled in 2021 and 2023, so that if GOI refuses visa at last minute due to unforseen events, PCB can drag BCCI to court. Why would BCCI even take such risk?

Forget cricket or sports, no one will give you written assurance in life for anything that will happen in future.

Erm, 27th February 2019 happened since then

 

[Rana]

I think this response is fair grounds for Pakistan to be allowed to play its fixtures in the World Cup in Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, and 2 points or a pass to the next round if it draws against India.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no need of shooting the messenger. BCCI’s response is reasonable and I will explain why.

The Indian government stance, whether you agree with it or not, is that Pakistan funds militants and insurgencies in J&K and that is the reason why they do not what bilateral cricket between the two countries.

So BCCI cannot promise Pakistan that the players would be issued visas if Pakistan cannot promise that they would not sponsor attacks in J&K.

PCB once again made a statement without thinking it through.

 

[Mamoon]

I think this response is fair grounds for Pakistan to be allowed to play its fixtures in the World Cup in Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, and 2 points or a pass to the next round if it draws against India.

I agree. I think it is the only way we can avoid humiliation against them in World Cups.

 

[Mamoon]

In fact I would argue that BCCI have done the noble thing. They could have given fake assurances now so that PCB keeps quiet, but they didn’t do that. They gave an honest, straightforward response.

 

[Mueez]

If I were the PCB I’d not let my players go to India.

Yeh konsi illiterate statement hai

Absolutely pathetic by BCCI.

 

[Mueez]

There is no need of shooting the messenger. BCCI’s response is reasonable and I will explain why.

The Indian government stance, whether you agree with it or not, is that Pakistan funds militants and insurgencies in J&K and that is the reason why they do not what bilateral cricket between the two countries.

So BCCI cannot promise Pakistan that the players would be issued visas if Pakistan cannot promise that they would not sponsor attacks in J&K.

PCB once again made a statement without thinking it through.

Mamoon, basically BCCI is saying that Pakistani players are potential “terrorists”.

You get that? This is a disgusting statement by BCCI.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon, basically BCCI is saying that Pakistani players are potential “terrorists”.

You get that? This is a disgusting statement by BCCI.

Yes so? It is the Indian perspective. What did PCB expect?

PCB: promise us that you will give us visas for the World Cup.

BCCI: jee sir.

How naive are we?

This is nearly as bad as Imran offering India help in tackling COVID.

 

[Mamoon]

And BCCI definitely did not imply that Pakistani “players” are terrorists. They are talking about our state policy, not Babar Azam and Iftikhar Ahmed.

 

[Rajdeep]

Erm, 27th February 2019 happened since then

But Pathakot happened in Jan 2016 and Pak team still travelled to India in April 2016.

No one can give assurance about anything that will happen in future. Pak players have played in India many times before in the past and 2021/2023 will be no different. But no board will be willing to give written agreement and tangle themselves in legal hassle later.

 

[Mamoon]

Message to PCB:

Do not ask questions whose answers you will not like.

 

[Mueez]

Yes so? It is the Indian perspective. What did PCB expect?

PCB: promise us that you will give us visas for the World Cup.

BCCI: jee sir.

How naive are we?

This is nearly as bad as Imran offering India help in tackling COVID.

Why isn’t PCB allowed to ask BCCI about visas?

They had a logical reason for asking it. The World T20 is going to happen there and we don’t want to know at the last moment about Pakistani team isn’t allowed to enter India.

Instead of giving PCB a response which would have clarified that they are allowed - they have chosen to bring politics into this.

They should’ve kept politics out of sport.

 

[Mueez]

And BCCI definitely did not imply that Pakistani “players” are terrorists. They are talking about our state policy, not Babar Azam and Iftikhar Ahmed.

The message remains the same.

I think no common Pakistani would be allowed to go to India anyways during the WT20 - so who will travel to India? Pakistani players and management.

 

[Rana]

[/b]

I agree. I think it is the only way we can avoid humiliation against them in World Cups.

Or India can avoid the humiliation of losing an ICC Semi final or final at home under Kohli’s captaincy.

 

[Mamoon]

The message remains the same.

I think no common Pakistani would be allowed to go to India anyways during the WT20 - so who will travel to India? Pakistani players and management.

How is it the same? You accused BCCI of calling Pakistani players terrorists based on nothing.

Calling Pakistani players and Pakistani people terrorists is not the same as calling Pakistani state a terrorist.

Our PM calls Modi Hitler. Is he referring to Kohli and Rohit Sharma as Hitlers and does he hold the same sentiment for an average Indian National? Obviously not.

 

[Mamoon]

Or India can avoid the humiliation of losing an ICC Semi final or final at home under Kohli’s captaincy.

Sure. We already have plenty of hypothetical wins. You can add a few more.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

What an appalling and stupid thing to say, personally i would be offended and ask that India not host either cups and for it to be played in neutral ground i.e. Dubai. What does PCB have to do with terror attacks??? Wasim asked a valid question about visas and the conversation took just a daft turn about terrorism.

 

[Mamoon]

Why isn’t PCB allowed to ask BCCI about visas?

They had a logical reason for asking it. The World T20 is going to happen there and we don’t want to know at the last moment about Pakistani team isn’t allowed to enter India.

Instead of giving PCB a response which would have clarified that they are allowed - they have chosen to bring politics into this.

They should’ve kept politics out of sport.

How can they not bring politics into it when the government of India will decide if they will issue visas or not?

How can BCCI promise something that is not in their power?

You want BCCI to make a promise that they cannot fulfill so that PCB once again starts to pester them over verbal agreements and takes them to court again?

 

[NishanKonar]

Or India can avoid the humiliation of losing an ICC Semi final or final at home under Kohli’s captaincy.

Getting into WC semifinal or final is pretty big ask for Pakistan team with current format for WCs

 

[aloo paratha]

embarrassing stuff from BCCI

 

[Rajdeep]

What an appalling and stupid thing to say, personally i would be offended and ask that India not host either cups and for it to be played in neutral ground i.e. Dubai. What does PCB have to do with terror attacks??? Wasim asked a valid question about visas and the conversation took just a daft turn about terrorism.

How is this a valid question? Did Pak players faced any problem in India during 2016 T20 WC? So why would you want written assurance now, especially for events which are years away.

Let me give you an analogy. You go to birthday party of a not so friendly neighbour's house and treated farely well. Would you still ask for written assurance of fair treatment before next birthday visit? Will it not be insulting to the host party?

 

[Mueez]

How is it the same? You accused BCCI of calling Pakistani players terrorists based on nothing.

Calling Pakistani players and Pakistani people terrorists is not the same as calling Pakistani state a terrorist.

Our PM calls Modi Hitler. Is he referring to Kohli and Rohit Sharma as Hitlers and does he hold the same sentiment for an average Indian National? Obviously not.

How can they not bring politics into it when the government of India will decide if they will issue visas or not?

How can BCCI promise something that is not in their power?

You want BCCI to make a promise that they cannot fulfill so that PCB once again starts to pester them over verbal agreements and takes them to court again?

I haven’t accused they ask guarantee from PCB for no terror attacks. Why are they asking it from PCB? What has PCB to do with terror attacks in India?

If BCCI has any fears of terror attacks - they should sit down with the Indian government and try to raise this issue. And then formally announce it publicly. This is stupidity at it’s best by BCCI.

Also if I’m not wrong a board is not allowed to mix politics with sports.

BCCI could’ve said that it depends on the GoI instead of this response.

 

[Bewal Express]

There is no need of shooting the messenger. BCCI’s response is reasonable and I will explain why.

The Indian government stance, whether you agree with it or not, is that Pakistan funds militants and insurgencies in J&K and that is the reason why they do not what bilateral cricket between the two countries.

So BCCI cannot promise Pakistan that the players would be issued visas if Pakistan cannot promise that they would not sponsor attacks in J&K.

PCB once again made a statement without thinking it through.

What utter rubbish, after your humiliation on the Cad thread, you want to troll on here. Do you have no shame in getting backside kicked. The PCB asked for guarantees on a visa's as the BCCI bid for the events and gave those guarantees. If they can't give the guarantees they should not be holding the events, these are global, not bilateral. And BTW didn't see you on the false flag attacks, did they destroy your narrative and humiliate you

 

[Rana]

Sure. We already have plenty of hypothetical wins. You can add a few more.

Yes. They already have plenty of losses in semis under Kohli, we can add another.

 

[Rana]

Yaar I hope we sort this out and get the visa. We were robbed in the 2019 World Cup.

 

[Bewal Express]

How is this a valid question? Did Pak players faced any problem in India during 2016 T20 WC? So why would you want written assurance now, especially for events which are years away.

Let me give you an analogy. You go to birthday party of a not so friendly neighbour's house and treated farely well. Would you still ask for written assurance of fair treatment before next birthday visit? Will it not be insulting to the host party?

I don't know if your a hermit but since then we have had a small conflict and the Chinese killing your soldiers. Saqib Mahmood was also denied a visa last year.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

How is this a valid question? Did Pak players faced any problem in India during 2016 T20 WC? So why would you want written assurance now, especially for events which are years away.

Let me give you an analogy. You go to birthday party of a not so friendly neighbour's house and treated farely well. Would you still ask for written assurance of fair treatment before next birthday visit? Will it not be insulting to the host party?

Bro it's Pakistan and India. It's unfortunately a Tom & Jerry relationship without the love. Without Visas how do you expect to enter the country??? It's an important issue but with that said i would be contacting whoever in BCCI about this matter i.e. not making it public or simply speak with someone in the Indian Govt or however you've dealt with the matter in the past.

We can't turn a blind eye to the Shiv Sina who asked for Wasim Akram (i believe it was) to leave India during the South Africa series or maybe it was the IPL (i clearly remember this happening).

All things aside government deals with government and cricket should be left as cricket i.e. if you bring politics into it then you are a ****.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yes. They already have plenty of losses in semis under Kohli, we can add another.

"plenty of losses under kohli" equates to 2.

 

[NishanKonar]

Bro it's Pakistan and India. It's unfortunately a Tom & Jerry relationship without the love. Without Visas how do you expect to enter the country??? It's an important issue but with that said i would be contacting whoever in BCCI about this matter i.e. not making it public or simply speak with someone in the Indian Govt or however you've dealt with the matter in the past.

We can't turn a blind eye to the Shiv Sina who asked for Wasim Akram (i believe it was) to leave India during the South Africa series or maybe it was the IPL (i clearly remember this happening).

All things aside government deals with government and cricket should be left as cricket i.e. if you bring politics into it then you are a ****.

While the concerns of PCB is genuine - making these commenst in public wont help matters. It becomes a matter of one upmanship. BCCI will think PCB is making these public statements with ulteror motives & hence they will have to respond in kind.

Its much better if PCB & BCCI sort these things in private. Whenever there is public mud slinging , it will bring ugly jingoism into play

Few months back PCB made loud commenst that Asia Cup will have to be held in Pakistan . Now they have made a sensible retreat & will hold it in Sri Lanka or UAE

India-Pakistan relations are in red zone. Its better for both PCB & BCCI to be more diplomatic & tactful atleast in public

 

[Rana]

"plenty of losses under kohli" equates to 2.

I’ve got no beef with Indians. But if some buffoon is going to disrespect Pakistan here by looking for any opportunity to humiliate them, then I’m afraid indian cricket, cricketers Etcc May become unnecessary casualties of war.

 

[Saj]

And some still think a India v Pakistan series could happen.

Relations between the countries are at rock bottom as are relations between the Boards.

Absolutely zero chance of a series.

 

[Mamoon]

What utter rubbish, after your humiliation on the Cad thread, you want to troll on here. Do you have no shame in getting backside kicked. The PCB asked for guarantees on a visa's as the BCCI bid for the events and gave those guarantees. If they can't give the guarantees they should not be holding the events, these are global, not bilateral. And BTW didn't see you on the false flag attacks, did they destroy your narrative and humiliate you

Please engage your common sense if it is still available, which I doubt because it is one of early side-effects of COVID-18.

BCCI will not be deterred from bidding for hosting rights because the mediocre Pakistan team might not get visas and might not get another chance to be humiliated by India in a World Cup.

If Pakistan is not granted visas by the Indian government, it will be a big issue but it is something that will have to be resolved at that time.

India were granted hosting rights by the ICC in April 2018. Do you think it was feasible for BCCI to ask the Indian government to guarantee that Pakistani players would get visas after 3 years? Never mind the fact that there was an election in India in 2019?

Do you think BCCI would give the opportunity to host the World Cup and give up the opportunity of earning $$$ because they cannot seek assurances from the Indian government that Pakistani players will get visas in 3 years time?

 

[topspin]

In fact I would argue that BCCI have done the noble thing. They could have given fake assurances now so that PCB keeps quiet, but they didn’t do that. They gave an honest, straightforward response.

I'm no fan of Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani and also how their predecessors have handled their business with BCCI. However, in this instance PCB are right to ask for assurances, when you consider what BCCI did in denying Saqib Mahmood a visa.

If that's how a England cricketer (with UK Passport) and Pakistani roots is going to get treated, what hope is their for Pakistan cricketers?

PCB have valid concerns.

Your posts are usually very good but on this thread, it's been substandard. You need to be more balanced especially when the topic revolves around English and Indian cricket.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

While the concerns of PCB is genuine - making these commenst in public wont help matters. It becomes a matter of one upmanship. BCCI will think PCB is making these public statements with ulteror motives & hence they will have to respond in kind.

Its much better if PCB & BCCI sort these things in private. Whenever there is public mud slinging , it will bring ugly jingoism into play

Few months back PCB made loud commenst that Asia Cup will have to be held in Pakistan . Now they have made a sensible retreat & will hold it in Sri Lanka or UAE

India-Pakistan relations are in red zone. Its better for both PCB & BCCI to be more diplomatic & tactful atleast in public

Absolute, can not agree with you more. Situation in Pakistan has improved and i think the Aussies are thinking of coming over quite possibly so let's see what happens. Maybe Pakistan can have England come over after this series is over.

 

[Mamoon]

I haven’t accused they ask guarantee from PCB for no terror attacks. Why are they asking it from PCB? What has PCB to do with terror attacks in India?

If BCCI has any fears of terror attacks - they should sit down with the Indian government and try to raise this issue. And then formally announce it publicly. This is stupidity at it’s best by BCCI.

Also if I’m not wrong a board is not allowed to mix politics with sports.

BCCI could’ve said that it depends on the GoI instead of this response.

PCB is the last board in the world that can complain about mixing politics with sport.

In 2009, PCB stopped it’s players from entering the auction of IPL 2 because the Indian government accused Pakistan of orchestrating Mumbai attacks.

Was not mixing politics with sports? What did the IPL have to do with the Indian government accusing Pakistan?

Similarly, PCB regularly politicized sports in the 80 and 90s when it’s position was strong relative to India.

PCB is crying now because they are on the receiving end.

Furthermore, when you ask a stupid question you get a stupid response. PCB asked a stupid question in the wrong manner and got the reply that they deserved.

How can BCCI promise something that they do not have authority over?

The issue is that you are looking at this from the Pakistani perspective and want BCCI to answer with the Pakistani perspective in mind.

Let’s look at the Indian perspective now.

BCCI can only promise PCB if the Indian government is on good terms with the Pakistani government, and that will only happen if the Indian government believes that Pakistan is no longer supporting and funding militants in Kashmir.

So if PCB can guarantee that, BCCI will also guarantee that PCB will get visas.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm no fan of Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani and also how their predecessors have handled their business with BCCI. However, in this instance PCB are right to ask for assurances, when you consider what BCCI did in denying Saqib Mahmood a visa.

If that's how a England cricketer (with UK Passport) and Pakistani roots is going to get treated, what hope is their for Pakistan cricketers?

PCB have valid concerns.

Your posts are usually very good but on this thread, it's been substandard. You need to be more balanced especially when the topic revolves around English and Indian cricket.

How can BCCI promise something that is not in their control?

Why would they get themselves in a tangle with PCB nagging them to honor the verbal agreement?

 

[Moh@n]

So is this how it went?

PCB to BCCI: Will you ensure visas for our players?

BCCI to PCB: Will you ensure zero terror attacks on our soil?

Seems an apt response to an idiotic question. Or am I missing something?

 

[topspin]

How can BCCI promise something that is not in their control?

Why would they get themselves in a tangle with PCB nagging them to honor the verbal agreement?

I agree, BCCI cannot promise that the Indian govt. will grant visas to Pakistan players but they do have some degree of influence to ensure there is no mistreatment towards the Pakistan team.

Also, there was no need for BCCI to bring terrorism into it, but somehow you are justifying their response.

Let's agree that PCB have valid concerns and BCCI are not in position to promise that visas will be granted for the Pakistan team.

The bottom line is that ICC needs a contingency plan in case Pakistan players end up sharing the same fate as Saqib Mahmood or alternatively they can ensure Pakistan plays its matches in Bangladesh or Sri Lanka.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree, BCCI cannot promise that the Indian govt. will grant visas to Pakistan players but they do have some degree of influence to ensure there is no mistreatment towards the Pakistan team.

Also, there was no need for BCCI to bring terrorism into it, but somehow you are justifying their response.

Let's agree that PCB have valid concerns and BCCI are not in position to promise that visas will be granted for the Pakistan team.

The bottom line is that ICC needs a contingency plan in case Pakistan players end up sharing the same fate as Saqib Mahmood or alternatively they can ensure Pakistan plays its matches in Bangladesh or Sri Lanka.

I am justifying their response because a stupid question deserves a stupid response.

 

[topspin]

I am justifying their response because a stupid question deserves a stupid response.

Perhaps PCB could have worded it better but they do have valid concerns, as there is a possibility that GoI will not grant Pakistan players the visas they need to participate in ICC competitions held in India.

 

[Mamoon]

Perhaps PCB could have worded it better but they do have valid concerns, as there is a possibility that GoI will not grant Pakistan players the visas they need to participate in ICC competitions held in India.

Yes they could and should have worded it better. In a conflict, you cannot ask one party to promise without offering one in return.

I am amazing at the naivety of PCB who thought BCCI would give them the answer they want to hear after framing the question in such a stupid manner.

 

[topspin]

Yes they could and should have worded it better. In a conflict, you cannot ask one party to promise without offering one in return.

I am amazing at the naivety of PCB who thought BCCI would give them the answer they want to hear after framing the question in such a stupid manner.

Agreed. It's vital PCB learn that the past blunders made in dealing with BCCI cannot be repeated. From the top of my head I can think of the following:

1. Boycott of IPL 2
2. Getting ICC to pull the plug on India hosting the 2011 WC
3. Failed attempt of taking legal action against BCCI

Before attempting to have a functional relationship, the first step would be to apologise to BCCI for the past mistakes made without expecting anything in return.

If the relationship improves, perhaps there is scope for bilateral ties to resume, whether it be within Pakistan and India or in neutral venues. But one thing for sure, we need to stop begging them to play with us.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Not really.

You only ask for assurance if something immoral happened to you in the past. Pakistan played 2016 T20 WC in India under the same govt regime. Were they not provided visa and security back then? So what changed now? Unless someone from BCCI/GOI has specifically said that visas will not be granted for Pakiatani players...what assurance they want? If they were provided visa back in 2016...what makes them think they wont get visa in 2021?

BCCI is right that no one can give assurance to anything for events which is so far away.
If a situation arise where political situation goes totally south by then and govt is forced to block visa for Pakistani citizens, what can BCCI do?

Wasim Khan is trying to play smart here by asking for written assurances for events that are scheduled in 2021 and 2023, so that if GOI refuses visa at last minute due to unforseen events, PCB can drag BCCI to court. Why would BCCI even take such risk?

Forget cricket or sports, no one will give you written assurance in life for anything that will happen in future.

I do agree where you’re coming from and it is not entirely upto BCCI to give someone written assurance. However, we can’t deny that it is upto BCCI to ensure that all teams are able to take part in it, and no team is left out. Imagine, if Pakistan team were refused visas at last minute and couldn’t travel India to take part in World Cup. I think BCCI should at least speak to ministry of India and gets everything in order, so when time comes PCB can apply for visas(well in advance to avoid any last minute mishaps) and can travel to India. If BCCI can’t get things sorted out with ministry and chances of visa rejections is high, then India should give up hosting World Cup. In other sports, GoI did refused visas to Pakistani athletes for events taking place in India.

In 2018, BCCI moved the Asia cup to UAE due to similar situation( where visas could have been refused). You can’t have a worldCup without a team not getting visas.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I don't know if your a hermit but since then we have had a small conflict and the Chinese killing your soldiers. Saqib Mahmood was also denied a visa last year.

For that ECB is to be blame. First, they announced the squad at the last minute, then they send his passport at wrong address, then by the time they applied, it was too late as GoI have different application for people of Pakistani origin. ECB could’ve avoided this had they announced the squad well in advance.

 

[Bewal Express]

Please engage your common sense if it is still available, which I doubt because it is one of early side-effects of COVID-18.

BCCI will not be deterred from bidding for hosting rights because the mediocre Pakistan team might not get visas and might not get another chance to be humiliated by India in a World Cup.

If Pakistan is not granted visas by the Indian government, it will be a big issue but it is something that will have to be resolved at that time.

India were granted hosting rights by the ICC in April 2018. Do you think it was feasible for BCCI to ask the Indian government to guarantee that Pakistani players would get visas after 3 years? Never mind the fact that there was an election in India in 2019?

Do you think BCCI would give the opportunity to host the World Cup and give up the opportunity of earning $$$ because they cannot seek assurances from the Indian government that Pakistani players will get visas in 3 years time?

I now you just desperate to troll but having some basic facts with you might help you to engage your brain. Saqib Mahmood is a not a PK player and he was denied a visa and based on that fact alone, PK have every right to ask for guarantees as these are ICC events held in Ind, not Indian events.
As Modi gets his backside kicked by every man and his dog, he will look to divert at every opportunity. The false flag of Pulwama and the Parliament attack have been exposed and they are are running out of diversions.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

So is this how it went?

PCB to BCCI: Will you ensure visas for our players?

BCCI to PCB: Will you ensure zero terror attacks on our soil?

Seems an apt response to an idiotic question. Or am I missing something?

*Seems an idiotic response to a reasonable query.

There mate. Corrected it for you

 

[kingusama92]

How can BCCI promise something that is not in their control?

Why would they get themselves in a tangle with PCB nagging them to honor the verbal agreement?

So is this how it went?

PCB to BCCI: Will you ensure visas for our players?

BCCI to PCB: Will you ensure zero terror attacks on our soil?

Seems an apt response to an idiotic question. Or am I missing something?

It's a valid question.

The PCB and ICC need to know so the tournament can be moved. The agreement should already be in place well in advance.

Based on the BCCI's reply, this is more than enough proof for Pakistan to say they feel unsafe traveling to India. Doesn't look like the BCCI will even guarantee their security since they've politicized the matter.

 

[Kroll]

This is hilarious, since it was India that violated Pakistani airspace.

Can the BCCI provide assurances that India won't induce LOC ceasefire violations, carry out terrorist operations inside Pakistan and try to violate Pakistan airspace if they wish to go down the political route?

 

[coy0607]

PCB should ask for the same. In fact, they should ask for

1) No-terror guarantee at the border
2) No-terror guarantee domestically in the cities the team is playing in
3) And justice for all minorities in India, including Sikhs, Muslims, Catholics, etc

If BCCI is interested in creating headlines, PCB should be playing the same game

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Wasim Khan is trying to play smart here by asking for written assurances for events that are scheduled in 2021 and 2023, so that if GOI refuses visa at last minute due to unforseen events, PCB can drag BCCI to court. Why would BCCI even take such risk?

Precisely — WK is playing it very smart.

If BCCI accepts to give a written assurance, PCB will be happy that Pakistan players will indeed play in 2021 and 2023.

If BCCI accepts and in case of unforeseen events, PCB drag BCCI to court but more importantly prevent future tournaments being scheduled in India.

If BCCI denies the written assurance, then PCB can make a case to ICC to move future tournaments out of India as it is not a neutral venue for all member nations. ICC will have to be forced between making a political decision (excluding Pakistan because Indian government is arm twisting) or changing the venue.

In both cases, PCB ensures that either Pakistan players get visa for India or the tournament is hosted elsewhere.

 

[par]

While at it, PCB should also ask for a written assurance from BCCI that India will be free from Covid 19 or any other virus attacks which may hit India in the future. It seems fair in current situation.

 

[Red Devil]

It's definitely a valid question. Imagine a scenario where Pakistani players are denied visas at the last second. PCB would get crucified for not anticipating such a scenario and being unprepared for it.

 

[Red Devil]

Agreed. It's vital PCB learn that the past blunders made in dealing with BCCI cannot be repeated. From the top of my head I can think of the following:

1. Boycott of IPL 2
2. Getting ICC to pull the plug on India hosting the 2011 WC
3. Failed attempt of taking legal action against BCCI

Before attempting to have a functional relationship, the first step would be to apologise to BCCI for the past mistakes made without expecting anything in return.

If the relationship improves, perhaps there is scope for bilateral ties to resume, whether it be within Pakistan and India or in neutral venues. But one thing for sure, we need to stop begging them to play with us.

Wait, when did this happen? I don't recall Pakistan boycotting the IPL.