Bernie Sanders: "The US must be speak out in support of a UN backed peaceful resolution in Kashmir"

[hussain.r97]

Bernie Sanders: "The US must be speak out in support of a UN backed peaceful resolution in Kashmir"

Bernie Sanders speaking at the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Convention on Kashmir. The first Democratic Candidate I've seen speaking on the Kashmir issue.

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Prime Minister Imran Khan and US Senator Bernie Sanders on Sunday raised the plight of Kashmiris, who have been living under a lockdown for four weeks in occupied Kashmir, while separately addressing the 56th Convention of Islamic Society of North America (ISNA).

Speaking at the event, Sanders, a Democratic presidential hopeful for the US Elections 2020, termed India's move to annex occupied Kashmir as "unacceptable".

"I am also deeply concerned about the situation in Kashmir where the Indian government has revoked Kashmiri autonomy, cracked down on dissent and instituted a communications blackout.

"The crackdown in the name of security is also denying the Kashmiri people access to medical care. Even many respected doctors in India have acknowledged that the Indian government-imposed restrictions on travel are threatening the life-saving care that patients need," he said.

"The communications blockade must be lifted immediately and the United States government must speak out boldly in support of international humanitarian law and in support of a UN-backed peaceful resolution that respects the will of the Kashmiri people," the senator stated.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1502936/p...dias-unacceptable-actions-in-occupied-kashmir

 

[warcry]

but but, what about the american pundits??
also Bernie is on ISI payroll along with the New York Times, Washington Post, the BBC etc.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

but but he is irrelevant, who cares about what Bernie says? Also the source is not reliable. We will only believe it if HT and TOI report this.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

but but, what about the american pundits??
also Bernie is on ISI payroll along with the New York Times, Washington Post, the BBC etc.

Dude stop highlighting ISI sleeper agents ok

 

[Extra_Cover]

Its good to see this topic being discussed on platforms outside India, Pakistan and UN.

 

[Mueez]

Elections coming up folks.

 

[hussain.r97]

Bernie is a gem, Americans better not screw up again!

 

[Firebat]

Its good to see this topic being discussed on platforms outside India, Pakistan and UN.

Exaclty, good to see some more exposure in the western world.

 

[hussain.r97]

Its good to see this topic being discussed on platforms outside India, Pakistan and UN.

I don't think I have ever seen a US Presidential candidate talk about Kashmir as a part of their foreign policy stance. Shows how India's actions have thrown the Kashmir issue into the spotlight, and brought it into the mainstream.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

I don't think I have ever seen a US Presidential candidate talk about Kashmir as a part of their foreign policy stance. Shows how India's actions have thrown the Kashmir issue into the spotlight, and brought it into the mainstream.

India has made huge mistake in india revocating article 370, even die hard fans are struggling to defend ind.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India has made huge mistake in india revocating article 370, even die hard fans are struggling to defend ind.

You somehow thinks India needs defending.

Lol.

The actual heads of the govt knows what to do and what to say.

The G7 group nations met recently and crticized china on hongkong. Didnt say a word on Kashmir that goes againist India.

Here you guys are jumping up and down on the basis of what a losing candidate like Sanders or what the Kashmiri separatist Basharat Peer led NYT is saying.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

You somehow thinks India needs defending.

Lol.

The actual heads of the govt knows what to do and what to say.

The G7 group nations met recently and crticized china on hongkong. Didnt say a word on Kashmir that goes againist India.

Here you guys are jumping up and down on the basis of what a losing candidate like Sanders or what the Kashmiri separatist Basharat Peer led NYT is saying.

Hmmm, money does talk. Eventually a time will come when the world cant turn blind eye, privately all these nations are getting worried, eventually they will hav to act.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/1502779

The oic still showed united front..

 

[rhony]

Bernie makes a lot of noise about lot of things. Shouldn't matter much. I think the restrictions should be lifted in a few days at least for a couple of days. If there is violence, impose restrictions again. The time will be reset and the noise will dampen a bit. Hope there's peace all around so people don't have to go through this.

370 is done. Just accept and move on. Having 370 for 70 years didn't matter. How will it matter now?

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Great going Bernie! He's a beast, isn't he? I'm so happy he rightly called out the evil doings of the Modi government. He should be the next POTUS! Go Bernie!!

 

[HamzaSaeen]

Everything besides BJP propaganda is fake news

 

[MRSN]

Just watched his speech and I'm really shocked. That's coming from a presidential candidate of US. He didn't use any diplomatic words but slammed India and Modi. A big slap on Indians who defend and think nobody cares outside Pakistan. Kashmir movement is gaining momentum and is at peak. Never saw Kashmir issue get such attention worldwide. From Aljazeera,BBC, NYTimes and now a presidential candidate of America. Modi has screwed India big time it seems. A massive hit to their good PR built by previous govts.

 

[MRSN]

Bernie makes a lot of noise about lot of things. Shouldn't matter much. I think the restrictions should be lifted in a few days at least for a couple of days. If there is violence, impose restrictions again. The time will be reset and the noise will dampen a bit. Hope there's peace all around so people don't have to go through this.

370 is done. Just accept and move on. Having 370 for 70 years didn't matter. How will it matter now?

You can kill and force people to stay in their homes but you cannot kill an ideology. You speak from the book of Hitler. Keep oppressing others unless they do what you want. This is not middle ages my friend. You can not keep a society of 9 million people like this for long. India's pathetic image is on display.

There is no difference between Talibans and Hindu extremist Govt lead by Modi. At least people didn't vote Mullah Omar while majority of Indians voted this extremist clown. Speaks volume about how much Indian has grown as a civilization.

 

[JaDed]

He is a genuine voice, unlike other politicians he genuinely believes in peace when he is speaking about it.

 

[ahmedzee]

These hindutva extremists here saying “Bernie is nobody”, do you joshilas have any shame? Is there any humanity left in you? How do u sleep at night? If I was in India I would be rallying outside the parliament right now. How can you call yourselves human beings ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just watched his speech and I'm really shocked. That's coming from a presidential candidate of US. He didn't use any diplomatic words but slammed India and Modi. A big slap on Indians who defend and think nobody cares outside Pakistan. Kashmir movement is gaining momentum and is at peak. Never saw Kashmir issue get such attention worldwide. From Aljazeera,BBC, NYTimes and now a presidential candidate of America. Modi has screwed India big time it seems. A massive hit to their good PR built by previous govts.

Do you remember how many presidential candidates were there the last time?

 

[rhony]

You can kill and force people to stay in their homes but you cannot kill an ideology. You speak from the book of Hitler. Keep oppressing others unless they do what you want. This is not middle ages my friend. You can not keep a society of 9 million people like this for long. India's pathetic image is on display.

There is no difference between Talibans and Hindu extremist Govt lead by Modi. At least people didn't vote Mullah Omar while majority of Indians voted this extremist clown. Speaks volume about how much Indian has grown as a civilization.

The ideology is not widespread and has been there for 70 years. 26 days ago, people went to work, schools and went about their lives. The genocidal talk and Taliban comparisons are hilarious. This is an attempt to get the false ideology out of a few thousand heads and choose between an ideology and livelihood. Everybody's gotto eat. Everybody has to live. They did that for 70 years

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Best candidate for the Muslim world is a Jew lol. He is a man of integrity.

 

[Runner Up]

One thing I love about PM Khan .........roz ganda (badnaam) karta hai Modi ko

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wasnt Canadian ISNA stripped of its ngo status by canadian govt?

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/glob...y-status-audit-cites-pakistani-militants/amp/

 

[rhony]

Don't count too much on Bernie. He's an idealist and not a realist. Tomorrow he will ask Pakistan to withdraw forces from AJK and Gilgit to start the plebisite as per UN conventions. Day after tomorrow he will urge GOI to pay above minimum wage to all the Kashmiris when they take those 50k jobs. He's a cuckoo

 

[kk1992]

Don't count too much on Bernie. He's an idealist and not a realist. Tomorrow he will ask Pakistan to withdraw forces from AJK and Gilgit to start the plebisite as per UN conventions. Day after tomorrow he will urge GOI to pay above minimum wage to all the Kashmiris when they take those 50k jobs. He's a cuckoo

Nice attempt but stop fooling other.

He has been consistent with his political believes and what he wants to achieve for America.

And why would he ask about minimum wage, what you have tried to attempt is to discredit him, and you are failing at it miserably unless an Indian reading your comment, who believe in what you believe, which is India has all the right to kill, rape, torture, occupy and make every one indiscriminately blind in Kashmir.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I doubt Bernie has a clue of what he's talking about, about Kashmir and its history and is reading off a cue card prepared by his intern. I am guessing it is probably a pakistani-american intern because nobody else cares.

 

[IMMY69]

Don't count too much on Bernie. He's an idealist and not a realist. Tomorrow he will ask Pakistan to withdraw forces from AJK and Gilgit to start the plebisite as per UN conventions. Day after tomorrow he will urge GOI to pay above minimum wage to all the Kashmiris when they take those 50k jobs. He's a cuckoo

Not a very good post...

On another note:
Problem is that all the world leaders can come out and voice their concern and the Indians will still find a way to discredit it or change the narrative.

It started with the Press. The Indians here discredited all the western press, it’s all fake news unless it’s reported by Indian News..

In view of this i’ve Largely ignored threads on Kashmir because it’s like hitting your head against a brick wall.

 

[IMMY69]

I doubt Bernie has a clue of what he's talking about, about Kashmir and its history and is reading off a cue card prepared by his intern. I am guessing it is probably a pakistani-american intern because nobody else cares.

Or
It was written by the Muslim Democrat backed by Qatar

 

[Thomaskutty]

Or
It was written by the Muslim Democrat backed by Qatar

^ Hmm did a quick google search .... so it turns out Bernie's campaign manager for the 2020 election is a pak-american Faiz Shakir.

 

[kk1992]

I doubt Bernie has a clue of what he's talking about, about Kashmir and its history and is reading off a cue card prepared by his intern. I am guessing it is probably a pakistani-american intern because nobody else cares.

He an astute politician not an Indian politician driven with hate against minority.

but you get an A of an effort to come out to waste words.

 

[IMMY69]

^ Hmm did a quick google search .... so it turns out Bernie's campaign manager for the 2020 election is a pak-american Faiz Shakir.

Great!
A potential candidate for the Presidency of USA.
What a complete loser yes?

 

[Thomaskutty]

He an astute politician not an Indian politician driven with hate against minority.

but you get an A of an effort to come out to waste words.

Come on, Bernie is a socialist grandpa from Vermont .. give him 10 mins with say an indian reporter to distill his Kashmir views and he'd be stumbling around for words in no time.

 

[kk1992]

Come on, Bernie is a socialist grandpa from Vermont .. give him 10 mins with say an indian reporter to distill his Kashmir views and he'd be stumbling around for words in no time.

Indian reporter, lol.

 

[rhony]

Not a very good post...

On another note:
Problem is that all the world leaders can come out and voice their concern and the Indians will still find a way to discredit it or change the narrative.

It started with the Press. The Indians here discredited all the western press, it’s all fake news unless it’s reported by Indian News..

In view of this i’ve Largely ignored threads on Kashmir because it’s like hitting your head against a brick wall.

That's a satire. But you are right. India will discredit any report, truth or false. At the same time, world is also discrediting Pak's rhetoric about genocide and Hitler. As I always maintain, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

The only people that can save Kashmiris are the rest of the Indians. They control their government that controls the Kashmiris. If Indians all over the country come out to the streets and start protesting, there is nothing BJP and GOI can do. There are no protests from Indian Muslims either. What this should tell everyone is, Indians and even Muslim Indians consider this a India vs Pakistan and not a Hindu vs Muslim fight. If you look at Pakistani channels and the political rhetoric, it's all about Hindu vs Muslim and hindutva. This is precisely why OIC doesn't care because they don't see it as Hindu vs muslim, nobody is talking about minority rights. The world sees this as an Indian vs Pakistani conflict and so far sided with India because of economic reasons.

The voices are getting louder about curfews and Im sure GOI is worried at this point. However, they needed this time for 2 reasons. One is to stave off the initial emotion and give Kashmiris the time to sink this in with the eventual acceptance of the situation. The second is to round up the leadership and make them understand or threaten them of exposing their double game for decades.

GOI has divided Kashmiris into 4 groups. The leadership is the most important and they are all imprisoned. There are reports that many have already realized that they don't have a political future and are ready to compromise for something in return. The biggest advantage of India is a leadership vacuum in Kashmir. The second category are the troublemakers like stone pelters. Many are in jail for a 2 year period across India and the rest are tortured to submission. The last thing India wants is to blind them forever with pellet guns thereby attracting wrath from international community. The third category are the jihadis. They are absolutely silent and will probably be shot in the same ditches they are hiding now. The last category are the millions and majority of Kashmiris who just want to go about their lives. It's these lives along with army that India tried to protect by imposing curfew. They need to be able to go to schools or work or to their businesses without fear of miscreants killing them or disrupting their daily lives. Curfew will be lifted soon I wish and we will see how it goes.

 

[IMMY69]

That's a satire. But you are right. India will discredit any report, truth or false. At the same time, world is also discrediting Pak's rhetoric about genocide and Hitler. As I always maintain, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

The only people that can save Kashmiris are the rest of the Indians. They control their government that controls the Kashmiris. If Indians all over the country come out to the streets and start protesting, there is nothing BJP and GOI can do. There are no protests from Indian Muslims either. What this should tell everyone is, Indians and even Muslim Indians consider this a India vs Pakistan and not a Hindu vs Muslim fight. If you look at Pakistani channels and the political rhetoric, it's all about Hindu vs Muslim and hindutva. This is precisely why OIC doesn't care because they don't see it as Hindu vs muslim, nobody is talking about minority rights. The world sees this as an Indian vs Pakistani conflict and so far sided with India because of economic reasons.

The voices are getting louder about curfews and Im sure GOI is worried at this point. However, they needed this time for 2 reasons. One is to stave off the initial emotion and give Kashmiris the time to sink this in with the eventual acceptance of the situation. The second is to round up the leadership and make them understand or threaten them of exposing their double game for decades.

GOI has divided Kashmiris into 4 groups. The leadership is the most important and they are all imprisoned. There are reports that many have already realized that they don't have a political future and are ready to compromise for something in return. The biggest advantage of India is a leadership vacuum in Kashmir. The second category are the troublemakers like stone pelters. Many are in jail for a 2 year period across India and the rest are tortured to submission. The last thing India wants is to blind them forever with pellet guns thereby attracting wrath from international community. The third category are the jihadis. They are absolutely silent and will probably be shot in the same ditches they are hiding now. The last category are the millions and majority of Kashmiris who just want to go about their lives. It's these lives along with army that India tried to protect by imposing curfew. They need to be able to go to schools or work or to their businesses without fear of miscreants killing them or disrupting their daily lives. Curfew will be lifted soon I wish and we will see how it goes.

The problem is that IOK want their independence or maybe even join Pakistan.
It’s similar to Palestine. So the only solution from an Indian perspective is to commit genocide on a large scale.

When people want their freedom it’s nigh on impossible to force them to be part something they detest.
History has shown us this.

 

[topspin]

Bernie Sanders is irrelevant, yet some of us are going bhangra over this

 

[IMMY69]

Bernie Sanders is irrelevant, yet some of us are going bhangra over this

Who is doing Bhangra?
Besides he is clearly not irrelevant.

The only two certainties in life.
Death and the fact that you yourself are compliant utterly irrelevant

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who is doing Bhangra?
Besides he is clearly not irrelevant.

The only two certainties in life.
Death and the fact that you yourself are compliant utterly irrelevant

Unless he wins the election, he is irrelevant.

 

[Pakistanian]

Bernie Sanders is irrelevant, yet some of us are going bhangra over this

He's the most popular political figure among the youth in America and one of the frontrunners for the Democratic nomination for President. He's also a Senator currently so far from irrelevant.

 

[IMMY69]

Unless he wins the election, he is irrelevant.

That depends upon your definition of Irrelevance.
Clearly Saunders is not irrelevant and any sane person would agree with this.
Different if you’re a an extremist Hindutva follower of course because like I said in another post, for people like you everything is irrelevant unless it fits your agenda.

 

[topspin]

Who is doing Bhangra?
Besides he is clearly not irrelevant.

The only two certainties in life.
Death and the fact that you yourself are compliant utterly irrelevant

He's the most popular political figure among the youth in America and one of the frontrunners for the Democratic nomination for President. He's also a Senator currently so far from irrelevant.

I want him to be the next president but he's not exactly making inroads is he? That's why I say he's irrelevant because he doesn't have much influence on the world stage.

 

[IMMY69]

I want him to be the next president but he's not exactly making inroads is he? That's why I say he's irrelevant because he doesn't have much influence on the world stage.

That influence comes by winning the candidacy and then the election.
But even if wasn’t running he’s still extremely relevant.

 

[rhony]

The problem is that IOK want their independence or maybe even join Pakistan.
It’s similar to Palestine. So the only solution from an Indian perspective is to commit genocide on a large scale.

When people want their freedom it’s nigh on impossible to force them to be part something they detest.
History has shown us this.

Partially right. Some people there want Azadi or be part of Pakistan. Kashmir is not Palestine. There are no demonstrations of Kashmiris with guns in Kashmir as you see in Gaza. Some people want freedom and they are being dealt with. Imagine Israel imposing a curfew in Palestine. They can never do it. It's out of control

 

[rhony]

He's the most popular political figure among the youth in America and one of the frontrunners for the Democratic nomination for President. He's also a Senator currently so far from irrelevant.

He was 4 years ago as well and he's a socialist. Socialism and capitalism don't mix. He will probably retire after losing this time..

 

[hussain.r97]

I love how Indians are now trying so hard to discredit Bernie. He is the most popular politician in America, and is almost solely responsible for mainstreaming many progressive ideas like medicare for all, free college, etc. He's the sort of voice that is very far reaching and influential, and will especially reach younger people.

He is also, of course, one of the frontrunners for the democratic nomination, and could affect real change if he ends up winning. Bernie has been absolutely consistent and well informed on all his stances for his entire career, and genuinely stands for world peace.

I find it hilarious that people like insulting him by calling him a "socialist", when the reality is that all his policies are really just centre-left, already exist in the rest of the western world, and he simply wants to bring those things to the US.

 

[Napa]

That's a satire. But you are right. India will discredit any report, truth or false. At the same time, world is also discrediting Pak's rhetoric about genocide and Hitler. As I always maintain, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

Apparently it isn't hard for India to discredit Pak's rhetoric in the West. Besides the hyperbole about genocide and Hitler, the actions of Pak military/ISI of taking US money while giving arms to the Haqqani Network to kill US soldiers has driven Pakistani trustworthiness to abysmal lows.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...rust-pakistan/

To summarize, among experts in the US:
Government 79% trust India and 6% trust Pakistan.
Retired Military 82% trust India and 2% trust Pakistan.

As for Bernie, the Democratic Primary at this point is about who can pander the most. Warren has grabbed the lead with a promise to forgive student debt (hard luck for those who worked hard and have already paid off their debt), Harris wants reparations to the black community... Bernie doesn't have many options left, hence Kashmir.

 

[hussain.r97]

Apparently it isn't hard for India to discredit Pak's rhetoric in the West. Besides the hyperbole about genocide and Hitler, the actions of Pak military/ISI of taking US money while giving arms to the Haqqani Network to kill US soldiers has driven Pakistani trustworthiness to abysmal lows.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...rust-pakistan/

To summarize, among experts in the US:
Government 79% trust India and 6% trust Pakistan.
Retired Military 82% trust India and 2% trust Pakistan.

As for Bernie, the Democratic Primary at this point is about who can pander the most. Warren has grabbed the lead with a promise to forgive student debt (hard luck for those who worked hard and have already paid off their debt), Harris wants reparations to the black community... Bernie doesn't have many options left, hence Kashmir.

Kashmir isn't an issue that would help Bernie gain a huge amount votes, his stance on it is completely genuine. In terms of big promises, he has actually promised to forgive medical debt. https://reut.rs/2LpcaQC

 

[kk1992]

Kashmir isn't an issue that would help Bernie gain a huge amount votes, his stance on it is completely genuine. In terms of big promises, he has actually promised to forgive medical debt. https://reut.rs/2LpcaQC

Hard luck to those who had already paid their bills, lol.

 

[Napa]

Kashmir isn't an issue that would help Bernie gain a huge amount votes, his stance on it is completely genuine.

I would not be so courageous as to guess when a politician is looking for votes and when he is genuine.

In terms of big promises, he has actually promised to forgive medical debt. https://reut.rs/2LpcaQC

Like I said, the big "panders" have already been taken and Bernie is looking for the remaining scraps. Student debt pander (already taken by Warren) is $1,520 billion while medical debt is only $81 billion. In US law, student debt cannot be discharged in bankruptcy, while medical debt can, hence the big difference.

 

[kk1992]

I see supporters of occupation are doing their best to discredit.

 

[kk1992]

For those who wants to discredit Bernie and divert the thread because he spoke against Indian occupation of Kashmir, not that it will stop them but Bernie had been saying the same for a long long time.

Here is an example https://youtu.be/jkObRSL5Dfo

Don’t let these supporters of occupation fool you.

 

[hussain.r97]

For those who wants to discredit Bernie and divert the thread because he spoke against Indian occupation of Kashmir, not that it will stop them but Bernie had been saying the same for a long long time.

Here is an example https://youtu.be/jkObRSL5Dfo

Don’t let these supporters of occupation fool you.

Exactly this. Bernie is not the sort of person to pander to anyone, he has been absolutely consistent on all his stances for his entire career, even when those stances were considered "radical".

 

[Pakistanian]

Don't count too much on Bernie. He's an idealist and not a realist.Tomorrow he will ask Pakistan to withdraw forces from AJK and Gilgit to start the plebisite as per UN conventions. Day after tomorrow he will urge GOI to pay above minimum wage to all the Kashmiris when they take those 50k jobs. He's a cuckoo

I know Indians often say but this is actually false information, Indians always cite UNSC resolution 47 but ignore the later UNSC resolution 80 which replaced it. Under UN resolution 80, BOTH India and Pakistan have to draw down troops to non-intimidating levels on both sides and hold a plebiscite under UN supervision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_80

The resolution called for (1) simultaneous and progressive demilitarisation by both India and Pakistan to the point where the remaining force would "not cause fear at any point of time to the people on either side of cease-fire line."[1] (2) The northern areas to be administered by local authorities, subjucted to UN supervision (3) The Council to appoint a United Nations Representative to assist in the preparations and implementation of the demilitarization program, to advise the Governments of India and Pakistan as well as those of the Council, to exercise all of the power and responsibilities of the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan, to arrange for the Plebiscite Administrator to assume all the functions assigned to him at the appropriate stage of demilitarization and to report to the Council as he saw necessary.

The resolution 80 marked a shift from the resolution 47 which called for Pakistan to withdraw first. Resolution 80 asked India and Pakistan to withdraw their troops simultaneously for the purpose of plebiscite. This attempt at equality did not find India's agreement.[2]

The resolution passed with eight votes in favour; India and Yugoslavia abstained, and the Soviet Union was absent when voting took place.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kashmir isn't an issue that would help Bernie gain a huge amount votes, his stance on it is completely genuine. In terms of big promises, he has actually promised to forgive medical debt. https://reut.rs/2LpcaQC

Bernie Sanders campaign manager is Faiz Shakir, guess who he is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I know Indians often say but this is actually false information, Indians always cite UNSC resolution 47 but ignore the later UNSC resolution 80 which replaced it. Under UN resolution 80, BOTH India and Pakistan have to draw down troops to non-intimidating levels on both sides and hold a plebiscite under UN supervision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_80

India signed the ceasefire and accepted resolution 47.

As you yourself have seen India abstained from resolution 80. UN or anyone cannot change the terms of reference at will.

 

[Pakistanian]

India signed the ceasefire and accepted resolution 47.

As you yourself have seen India abstained from resolution 80. UN or anyone cannot change the terms of reference at will.

Yes they can, UN resolution was PASSED and ADOPTED by the security council. India can not make its own rules and go against the security council. They didn't change it "at will" lmaoo, they changed it with 8 members voting in favor, only 2 against. All the permanent SC members voted in favor, even the USSR abstained instead of using their right to veto, India does not have any veto power.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes they can, UN resolution was PASSED and ADOPTED by the security council. India can not make its own rules and go against the security council. They didn't change it "at will" lmaoo, they changed it with 8 members voting in favor, only 2 against. All the permanent SC members voted in favor, even the USSR abstained instead of using their right to veto, India does not have any veto power.

Lol. The ceasefire was declared on the basis of resolution 47.

Pakistan didnot adhere to it.


Without both parties agreeing, resolution 80 changed the terms of the ceasefire.



USSR was absent from a number of meetings in 1949 as a mark of protest againist not allowing PRC as the representative of China.

 

[Napa]

Yes they can, UN resolution was PASSED and ADOPTED by the security council. India can not make its own rules and go against the security council. They didn't change it "at will" lmaoo, they changed it with 8 members voting in favor, only 2 against. All the permanent SC members voted in favor, even the USSR abstained instead of using their right to veto, India does not have any veto power.

Generally speaking, if a country refuses to accept a resolution, the next step for the Security Council, IF IT DESIRES to add teeth to the earlier resolution is to pass another resolution with sanctions against the country. In an even more extreme case, the Security Council may authorize other nations to wage war (as it against Iraq in 1990 and may or may not have done so in 2003).

India is ignoring Resolution 80, and obviously the Security Council will not pass any resolution imposing sanctions on India. At least 4 permanent powers (all except China) would veto economic sanctions (too much loss) and military sanctions (no one country other than maybe one led by IK) is going to offer soldiers to fight India.

It is important to note that Resolution 80 did not include sanctions in case India refused to honor it.

So that is pretty much the state of Resolution 80. India ignores it and the Security Council refuses to do anything to enforce it. In the real world it is pretty much a meaningless resolution, besides being nearly 70 years old.

You can keep wasting your time arguing about Resolution 80 or you could spend your time and energy doing something to improve your country's economy.

 

[hussain.r97]

Bernie Sanders campaign manager is Faiz Shakir, guess who he is.

Big deal, he has even more Indians in top campaign positions. He has his own convictions and opinions on issues. Yeah maybe Faiz Shakir had a role in him being at the ICNA convention, but Bernie would have had those convictions on Kashmir anyway.

 

[Abdullah719]

Bernie exposed as a Sindhi ISI agent.

 

[AdamM97]

Bernie Sanders campaign manager is Faiz Shakir, guess who he is.

Ok, what about Ro Khanna? His family has ties to Indian politics. I believe his father or grandfather was an indian politician.

It’s really absurd to use his campaign manager to discredit his concerns about the Kashmiris.

When Trump tweeted against Pakistan last year, Pakistanis never brought up Nikki Haley(Indian origin).

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">'Breaking the silence': Report documents torture in Kashmir <a href="https://t.co/iDXGeLj6fW">https://t.co/iDXGeLj6fW</a></p>— John Cusack (@johncusack) <a href="https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1168247998398259201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[cricketjoshila]

Ok, what about Ro Khanna? His family has ties to Indian politics. I believe his father or grandfather was an indian politician.

It’s really absurd to use his campaign manager to discredit his concerns about the Kashmiris.

When Trump tweeted against Pakistan last year, Pakistanis never brought up Nikki Haley(Indian origin).

Guess which party his family served.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Bernie exposed as a Sindhi ISI agent.

Lmao