Best first-class averages in Pakistan cricket

[ghias]

Sarfraz Ahmad's FC average excluding not outs is 33.07. Little Master Akaml's FC average excluding not outs is 28.1. So the lie that Sarfraz Ahmad's average is better than Little Master Akmal's average only because of large number of not outs is totally blown out of the water once and for all.

 

[asifp]

and would someone care to explain to me how two guys with a FC average of below 40 (Umar Amin & Azhar Ali) are expected to have a test batting average of 45+

If these guys can't even average 40+ on flat track in Pakistan against some medium pace tuddlers, then only God help them when facing someone like Styen in South Africa.

FC is the best indication of success at the Test Level. In most cases the top performers in FC are your best batsman in Internationl cricket. Younus Khan, Mohammad Yousuf, Javed Miandad, Inzi all had FC averages of close to 50 or higher. They were best at FC and were able to tranlsate that to the test level.

However can you tell me one great Pakistani batsman that had a FC average of 35 and went onto have a great test career?

You have to try the top FC crickets in your test team, yeah not all of them will succeed, but is more than likely that your next great batsman is probably one of your top FC cricketers.

Just look at the list below:

Fawad Alam 59.82
Javed Miandad 53.37
Hanif Mohammad 52.32
Zaheer Abbas 51.54
Younis Khan 51.38
Mohammad Yousuf 51.10
Misbah-ul-Haq 50.72
Hasan Raza 50.40
Inzamam-ul-Haq 50.10
Asif Mujtaba 49.39

From that list Hasan Raza and Fawad Alam have not been given a proper run. Out of the other 8, 6 are probably the greatest Pakistani batsman ever, Misbah have and average career and Mujtaba failed, but hwe was still given a run of 25 odd tests.

75% success rate is pretty darn good. What this tells me is that get our Top FC crickets in the team, who cares if they look ugly, but there is a much higer chance that they will do much better than Azhar/Farhat/Malik/Amin

 

[IM NOT YOU]

and would someone care to explain to me how two guys with a FC average of below 40 (Umar Amin & Azhar Ali) are expected to have a test batting average of 45+

If these guys can't even average 40+ on flat track in Pakistan against some medium pace tuddlers, then only God help them when facing someone like Styen in South Africa.

FC is the best indication of success at the Test Level. In most cases the top performers in FC are your best batsman in Internationl cricket. Younus Khan, Mohammad Yousuf, Javed Miandad, Inzi all had FC averages of close to 50 or higher. They were best at FC and were able to tranlsate that to the test level.

However can you tell me one great Pakistani batsman that had a FC average of 35 and went onto have a great test career?

You have to try the top FC crickets in your test team, yeah not all of them will succeed, but is more than likely that your next great batsman is probably one of your top FC cricketers.

Just look at the list below:

Fawad Alam 59.82
Javed Miandad 53.37
Hanif Mohammad 52.32
Zaheer Abbas 51.54
Younis Khan 51.38
Mohammad Yousuf 51.10
Misbah-ul-Haq 50.72
Hasan Raza 50.40
Inzamam-ul-Haq 50.10
Asif Mujtaba 49.39

From that list Hasan Raza and Fawad Alam have not been given a proper run. Out of the other 8, 6 are probably the greatest Pakistani batsman ever, Misbah have and average career and Mujtaba failed, but hwe was still given a run of 25 odd tests.

75% success rate is pretty darn good. What this tells me is that get our Top FC crickets in the team, who cares if they look ugly, but there is a much higer chance that they will do much better than Azhar/Farhat/Malik/Amin

agree 100%



i dont understand why fawad alam & naved yasin , both of whom are currently #1 and #2 respectively in first class averages in pakistan, have not been given a legitimate turn in the test team.

it really is illogical.



im sure the like of fawad, naved yasin, hasan raza , and asad shafiq, all of whom have a higher avg then guys like umar amin..... would likely fare better.


for some reason (unknown) people are hell bent on umar amin.. the kid never has shined against even good domestic bowlers... let alone international.

umar amin was really all hype for no reason from the start. the red flag (first class avg) shouldve given that away

 

[AZ]

you guys are wrong about Amin, he will show his quality.

 

[biophysics]

UPdate after latest round of QEA trophy. Ahmed Shehzad takes a move upward. Umar Amin down. Surprise name is Mohammad Ayub- plays for group B however. Naved Yasin comes down since moving to group A.

Fawad Alam 55.54
Misbah-ul-Haq 50.88
Younis Khan 50.38
Mohammad Yousuf 48.8
Naved Yasin 48.8
Hasan Raza 48.73
Umar Akmal 46.79
Ahmed Shehzad 45.87
Mohammad Ayub 45.66
Nasir Jamshed 44.86
Khurram Manzoor 43.88
Asad Shafiq 43.32
Ali Azmat 43.22
Adnan Raza 42.92
Aamer Sajjad 42.16
Saeed Bin Nasir 41.58
Sarfraz Ahmed 41.29
Salman Butt 41.00
Imran Farhat 40.67
Azhar Ali 39.53
Zohaib Khan 37.13
Umar Amin 37.31

 

[biophysics]

Bowlers update: Junaid Khan and Mohammad Ali (16 matches) to keep an eye on. Please update as I'm sure I missed some batsmen/bowlers


Samiullah Khan 19.16
Zulfiqar Babar 20.38
Mohammad Rameez 21.00
Shahid Nazir 21.20
Junaid Khan 21.32
Mohammad Aslam 21.55
Sarfraz Ahmed 21.96
Imran Ali 22.59
Mohammad Aamer 22.61
Jaffar Nazir 22..67
Asad Ali 22.75
Mohammad Hussain 23.13
Naved Arif 23.27
Aizaz Cheema 23.28
Fahad Masood 23.42
Rao Iftikhar 23.88
Wasim Khan 23.88
Rana Naved 23.98
Najaf Shah 24.20
Kashif Daud 24.29
Sohail Khan 22.4
Kamran Hussain 24.5
Mohammad Asif 24.57
Abdur Rauf 24.97
Tariq Haroon 25.37
Azharullah 25.79
Danish Kaneria 26.26
Shoaib Akhtar 26.26
Raza Hasan 26.5
Abdur Rehman 26.79
Sohail Tanvir 27.48
Mohammad Talha 27.27
Saeed Ajmal 28.31
Umar Gul 28.4



Mohammad Ali*16 23.54
Mohammad Imran *8 23.21

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

wow...look at the company Fawad Alam is in in that list..

Fawad is obviously rubbish!

 

[ElRaja]

azhar has a low average because he started out as a bowler, and amin started off his career with rawalpindi, a quick look at games played at rawalpindi cricket ground will show a high 30s average for a youngster is quite good, he seems mentally weak though.

however i also believe it is not wise to ignore alam as he can obviously play big innings however he seems to have had trouble mentally adjusting to the pressure of international cricket, he never looks comfortable, even if he is on 30, 40 odd.

yasin will get his go, i am pretty sure he was meant to go on a team tour but is injured atm.

if u went around selecting players primarily on stats a player like trescotick who averaged about 36 when he was selected would never had got a go. take out test matches and he still averages high 30s i think.

anyone got idea of best all rounder stats, like min 10 games, 20 wickets, 400 runs, biggest diff between bowling and bat average??

 

[rhussain33]

Batting

Criteria : All time Pakistan (First Class) Batting Averages
Eligibility : 2000 runs in first class

Fawad Alam         59.82
Javed Miandad      53.37
Hanif Mohammad     52.32
Zaheer Abbas       51.54
Younis Khan        51.38
Mohammad Yousuf    51.10
Misbah-ul-Haq      50.72
Hasan Raza         50.40
Inzamam-ul-Haq     50.10
Asif Mujtaba       49.39

Batting (as of 20 May, criteria: 20 FC games, eligible for national selection)

*Provided by Paradox

[B]Fawad Alam         56.29[/B]
Naved Yasin        54.05
Younis Khan        50.55
Misbah-ul-Haq      50.35
Mohammad Yousuf    49.76
Hasan Raza         49.41
Umar Akmal         49.40
Nasir Jamshed      44.51
Asad Shafiq        43.70
Sarfraz Ahmed      43.34
Aamer Sajjad       43.05
Adnan Raza         42.92
Saeed Bin Nasir    42.69
Khurram Manzoor    42.61
Mohammad Ayub      42.57
Ali Azmat          42.55
Salman Butt        42.43
Imran Fart         42.04
Umar Amin          42.00
Zohaib Khan        42.00
Azhar Ali          40.42

Ohh Man, Leonidos ??M Nadeem... ?? Ali Raja ??

This must be a joke, it cannot be right surley ?? No Way!!
Fawads name on the top of the list over Pakistans all time greats.. )

D Block, please tell them you made a serious type error or something, Paleez.

 

[usman2321]

One bowler missing is Rizwan Akbar from rawalpindi. He has 211 wkts at 23.11 in 49 matches.

 

[srh]

UPdate after latest round of QEA trophy. Ahmed Shehzad takes a move upward. Umar Amin down. Surprise name is Mohammad Ayub- plays for group B however. Naved Yasin comes down since moving to group A.

Fawad Alam 55.54
Misbah-ul-Haq 50.88
Younis Khan 50.38
Mohammad Yousuf 48.8
Naved Yasin 48.8
Hasan Raza 48.73
Umar Akmal 46.79
Ahmed Shehzad 45.87
Mohammad Ayub 45.66
Nasir Jamshed 44.86
Khurram Manzoor 43.88
Asad Shafiq 43.32
Ali Azmat 43.22
Adnan Raza 42.92
Aamer Sajjad 42.16
Saeed Bin Nasir 41.58
Sarfraz Ahmed 41.29
Salman Butt 41.00
Imran Farhat 40.67
Azhar Ali 39.53
Zohaib Khan 37.13
Umar Amin 37.31

Is this Sarfraz Ahmed the wicket keeper? He has better average than Umar Amin? )

 

[farazaidi]

and would someone care to explain to me how two guys with a FC average of below 40 (Umar Amin & Azhar Ali) are expected to have a test batting average of 45+

If these guys can't even average 40+ on flat track in Pakistan against some medium pace tuddlers, then only God help them when facing someone like Styen in South Africa.

FC is the best indication of success at the Test Level. In most cases the top performers in FC are your best batsman in Internationl cricket. Younus Khan, Mohammad Yousuf, Javed Miandad, Inzi all had FC averages of close to 50 or higher. They were best at FC and were able to tranlsate that to the test level.

However can you tell me one great Pakistani batsman that had a FC average of 35 and went onto have a great test career?

You have to try the top FC crickets in your test team, yeah not all of them will succeed, but is more than likely that your next great batsman is probably one of your top FC cricketers.

Just look at the list below:

Fawad Alam 59.82
Javed Miandad 53.37
Hanif Mohammad 52.32
Zaheer Abbas 51.54
Younis Khan 51.38
Mohammad Yousuf 51.10
Misbah-ul-Haq 50.72
Hasan Raza 50.40
Inzamam-ul-Haq 50.10
Asif Mujtaba 49.39

From that list Hasan Raza and Fawad Alam have not been given a proper run. Out of the other 8, 6 are probably the greatest Pakistani batsman ever, Misbah have and average career and Mujtaba failed, but hwe was still given a run of 25 odd tests.

75% success rate is pretty darn good. What this tells me is that get our Top FC crickets in the team, who cares if they look ugly, but there is a much higer chance that they will do much better than Azhar/Farhat/Malik/Amin

That is one point that these idiots seem to miss. How can you diss such a consistent performer and such heavy weight of runs?

 

[farazaidi]

Is this Sarfraz Ahmed the wicket keeper? He has better average than Umar Amin? )

Yup, but I bet he's not nearly as classy

 

[GOAT]

Yup, but I bet he's not nearly as classy

I just don't see why there's so much hype for Amin, FC average is nothing impressive and he's mentally very weak.

His bowling career is off to a flyer though

 

[srh]

Yup, but I bet he's not nearly as classy

dont even compare. I remember watching Sarfraz batting in an international match and looks like he cannot bat. But even he has better average than ) ) )

 

[ElRaja]

dont even compare. I remember watching Sarfraz batting in an international match and looks like he cannot bat. But even he has better average than ) ) )

that is so true, he looked completely hopeless trying to hack everything to the leg side.

the fact that he averages 40 in first class cricket says more about the pitches and opposition he has played against.

 

[Desi]

Miandad and Abbas played domestic cricket in England too, a completely different ballgame than the cake pitches in Pakistan.

 

[ads101]

Is this Sarfraz Ahmed the wicket keeper? He has better average than Umar Amin? )

it's so strange that so few of our batsmen are averaging over 40, yet if you look at the bowlers a huge number have bowling averages in their 20s. Some even have lower than 20 (e.g. Zulqifar Babar).

 

[biophysics]

Update after pentagular cup- please add players as you think of them



Zain Abbas 63.33 (2 matches)
Fawad Alam 57.11
Misbah-ul-Haq 51.45
Younis Khan 50.5
Mohammad Yousuf 48.8
Hasan Raza 48.23
Umar Akmal 46.76
Haris Sohail 46.64
Naved Yasin 46.44
Ahmed Shehzad 45.87
Mohammad Ayub 43.79
Khurram Manzoor 43.47
Nasir Jamshed 43.22
Sarfraz Ahmed 42.97
Asad Shafiq 42.96
Adnan Raza 42
Usman Salahuddin 41.8
Ali Azmat 41.69
Imran Farhat 40.86
Aamer Sajjad 40.83
Saeed Bin Nasir 40.68
Umar Amin 39.69
Faisal Iqbal 39.24
Azhar Ali 38.02
Zohaib Khan 36.1

Zain Abbas/Naved yasin/Haris Sohail are ones to watch for middle order (yasin/sohail probably deserved chance before usman salahuddin)

Khurram/Nasir Jamsed/Ahmed Shezad for openers in tests (unless hafeez is a wickettaking 5th bowler)

Sarfraz/Fawad/Hasan Raza very unlucky. Sarfraz would give us a middle order wicketkeeper (if persisted with)

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Included in the above is a FAWAD 168 versus Sri Lanka on Debut....

Included in the First test squad he is not!

We must have some genius batsman to be able to ignore this guy!

 

[SameerP]

Included in the above is a FAWAD 168 versus Sri Lanka on Debut....

Included in the First test squad he is not!

We must have some genius batsman to be able to ignore this guy!

:ahmed

 

[Fireworks11]

Time for Hafeez to hang those boots.

 

[SameerP]

Time for Hafeez to hang those boots.

Come on he is still a youngsta

 

[Fireworks11]

Come on he is still a youngsta

If he has another poor tour, his time may well be up.

 

[biophysics]

had some time over break and wanted to know more about pakistan domestic cricket.

Stats are given in 4 sheets and are based on QEA trophy results from the last round. 4 sheets are: all rounders (organized by difference in averages), bowlers, batsmen, and wicketkeepers. Criteria for all rounders: 35 w/ball and 15 with bat. I did not take age into account as some of our most successful have debuted/played late: cheema/ajmal/misbah/tanvir ahmed

Overall its pretty staggering the amount of talent and depth Pakistan has. Shame that talent alone doesn't determine success.

1) I. Farhat as an all rounder?? averages 30 as legspinner, taken over 100 wickets. His domestic batting average alone is competitive. Its a shame that he has the stigma of parchi. Perhaps it affects his performance at international level. He is definitely deserving based solely on first class stats.

2) What more does Fawad Alam have to do (average has now gone above 60). Biggest differential among all rounders. Averages 35

3) Mohammad Rizwan or Bismillah Khan(opener) as wicketkeeper?? Personally would like to see Sarfraz bat in tests. That is definately his format

4) comparative lack of batsmen(average above 38) vs bowlers (average below 28)

5) Zulfiqar Babar deserves a chance as sla over Abdur Rehman. I understand that Rehman has been steady and solid, but zulfiqar can be the next

6)quality openers are available after taufeeq/hafeez: Shehzad/Manzoor/Jamshed. Shame how Manzoor is treated. He would be my first choice if Hafeez can't keep the allrounder act up.

7) Haseeb Azam (hammad's brother) is a viable all rounder as well. 25 with ball and 20 with bat

8) Hammad Azam- should be given 10 overs every game he plays- averages 25 with ball- This is better than ajmal/gul.

8) Mo Irfan (7') isn't playing this year, but there's a 16y/o Mo Irfan whose taken 25 wickets at 20 this year

9) Sadaf, Waqas ahmed, rahat ali, Junaid Nadir: 4 pacers for the future.

10) Can PP provide these sheets to Mohsin Khan?? would be happy to see some deserving 30/32 year old get his chance

 

[1137moiz]

Hammad Azam and Imran Farhat have nice averages but have been bowled largely as part-time bowlers, so it can be deceptive (for instance Hammad's LO average is 51). However this is because Hammad has been injured and Farhat, well, is just a part-timer.

 

[biophysics]

good point with hammad (only 16 wickets) but farhat has 103. Surely this isn't by chance

 

[s28]

any update on o.p. ?

 

[HASHAM2]

Best LIST-A Ave by Pakistan Batsman
Babar azam
Misbah ul haq
Sharjeel khan

 

[iafzal]

I was just saying its not an indicator of things to come. There are some players who didn't have much of a dometic cricket average but did well at the international level.

Can you give some examples?
I am not aware of any batsman who say had an average of 35 in first class and ended up with 45 plus in test for Pak. If you do pls share.

 

[iafzal]

you guys are wrong about Amin, he will show his quality.

] well we are still waiting for him to show his quality in terms of scoring runs

Fawad is obviously rubbish!

Obviously you are not a good judge of who can score runs.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Best LIST-A Ave by Pakistan Batsman
Babar azam
Misbah ul haq
Sharjeel khan

2 of them have been an utter flop.

Waiting for Babar Azam to showcase his Talent

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

1. Fawad Alam 56.71

2. Haris Sohail 52.01

3. Younis Khan 51.10

4. Misbah ul Haq 51.01

5. Saud Shakeel 48.84

6. Mohammad Waqas 48.81

6. Umar Siddique 47.20

7. Hassan Raza 45.03

8. Usman Salahuddin 44.85

9. Umar Akmal 44.04

10. Naeemuddin 43.45

11. Sarfraz Ahmed 43.28

12. Mohammad Rizwan 42.29

13. Saad Ali 42.06

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

* 14th Saad Ali

 

[Hamza_]

* 14th Saad Ali

How do you rate Umar Siddiq.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

How do you rate Umar Siddiq.

I don't rate him.

Amongst these I rate Haris, Saud, Saad & Naeemuddin only wrt those who haven't played test cricket yet for Pakistan.

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[On_the_up]

Shoaib Maqsood's is just over 43

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43266.html

 

[Hamza_]

I don't rate him.

Amongst these I rate Haris, Saud, Saad & Naeemuddin only wrt those who haven't played test cricket yet for Pakistan.

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I have not seen any of them bat except Haris. Umar Siddiq looked like a decent prospect though. Its shame Haris is yet to play Tests

 

[nailbiter]

We need list A averages


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[nailbiter]

Where is Haris Sohail now


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[pakistani pride]

Ooh harid sohail. Such a tragedy! Really hope he can make a comeback.

Babar
Haris
Azhar
Shafiq
UA
Sarfaraz

They all can bat and are very different kind if players from each other. Really hope we can finally get rid of the hafeez shezads maliks etc soon!

 

[hussain.r97]

FC averages in Pakistan are honestly meaningless. A greater focus needs to be put on technique and range of conventional cricketing shots. Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali were high 30s averaging players in FC cricket, now they are set to be top test batsmen for Pakistan.

The fact that Fawad Alam tops the list symbolizes everything wrong with Pakistan cricket. The only newish batsmen I currently rate highly on that list is Haris Sohail.

 

[abc_to_xyz]

FC averages in Pakistan are honestly meaningless. A greater focus needs to be put on technique and range of conventional cricketing shots. Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali were high 30s averaging players in FC cricket, now they are set to be top test batsmen for Pakistan.

The fact that Fawad Alam tops the list symbolizes everything wrong with Pakistan cricket. The only newish batsmen I currently rate highly on that list is Haris Sohail.

Fawad is not bad, esp for tests and odi. Even with his funny technique, he scores good.

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan dont have clean hitters. So best bet is to select players who can play run a ball from the start in ODIs and at a strike rate of 120-130 in t20 without wasting any balls.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Can someone update the list?

Who else is there besides Fawad Alam in the fifties? Haris is already there.

 

[New Yorker]

FC averages in Pakistan are honestly meaningless. A greater focus needs to be put on technique and range of conventional cricketing shots. Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali were high 30s averaging players in FC cricket, now they are set to be top test batsmen for Pakistan.

The fact that Fawad Alam tops the list symbolizes everything wrong with Pakistan cricket. The only newish batsmen I currently rate highly on that list is Haris Sohail.

This post symbolizes everything wrong with PPers.

If someone with a 30 FC average does well, the next question has to be,
how well could someone with a 50 average do?