Bharat Arun lashes out Sri Lanka's delay tactics

[Cricfan4eva]

A gist of what the Indian bowling coach had to say about Sri Lanka's tactics in the press conference.

'Kohli batted for two days, he didn't need the mask'

'How Sri Lanka handle their bowlers fitness is their concern, not ours'

'Ravi Shastri went out to ask umpires to come off or get on with the game'

'Our target was to get to 550 and declare, with Sri Lanka constantly delaying the game we declared to get on with the game'

'Players have no right to protest about playing conditions, Umpires and Referee take final call'

'We are not focused on pollution, our focus is on winning this test'

Some harsh words from Indian bowling coach and I guess he is echoing the sentiments of all Indian fans.

The Pollution level in Delhi is bad, there is no doubt about it.

But the level of pollution today was same as it was on Day 1 and Umpires and Referee were told by the doctors that play could proceed. So what SL did was quite simply unfair.

 

[Syed1]

Why do foreigners feel hot when they visit India in summer but the locals are not going crazy?

 

[jnaveen1980]

They are notorious for these kind of under-handed tactics. This is not an isolated incident.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

They are notorious for these kind of under-handed tactics. This is not an isolated incident.

In this series alone. Sri Lanka have:

a) Referred to dressing room to take a DRS appeal. Was successful.

b) Tampered the ball and been fined for it.

c) and now unfair delay tactics.

Sri Lanka are not used to losing in fair way.

 

[UN talkz]

Hehe... this will continue for weeks and when SL visit next time... this will be again talked....
Pollution is Delhi is toxic

 

[Abdullah719]

They are notorious for these kind of under-handed tactics. This is not an isolated incident.

Yep, underhanded tactics such as multiple players vomiting.

Four Sri Lankan players had vomited on the second day's play and several others needed a supply of oxygen after they complained of being short of breath, while some were administered injections. Fast bowlers Lahiru Gamage, Suranga Lakmal, top order batsman Dhananjaya de Silva and reserve Jeffrey Vandersay were the worst affected.

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...dia-sri-lanka-players-struggle-with-pollution

 

[Anik Sharma]

Indians should realize just because they are used to breathing in dirty polluted air, doesn't mean other nationals have to bear the same thing.

 

[UN talkz]

India's bowling coach Bharat Arun on Sunday took a dig at the Sri Lankan cricketers, stating that home team captain Virat Kohli did not require anti-pollution mask to bat for nearly two days in the third Test here.


Kohli struck a career-best 243, batting nearly seven and half hours and he was the last home side batsman dismissed on a controversy-marred second day when Sri Lankan players forced an Indian declaration by halting play for 26 minutes, citing uneasiness due to poor air quality caused by smog.

All the Sri Lankan fielders were wearing anti-pollution masks while fielding during the post-lunch session.

"Virat batted close to two days. He did not need a mask. We are focussed on what we need to do. The conditions are the same for both teams and we are not too bothered about it," Arun said when asked if his players were affected by the smog.

The coach then went on to wax eloquent about skipper Kohli.

"His absolute focus is one thing and attention to detail is the key. In terms of fitness and game preparation, he is spot on. He is an example of what you need to be as a cricketer."

Arun said that he would not call the declaration totally forced as they were pretty close to their target score of 550. "We were looking at a total of 550. It was pretty close to that. So we thought we might as well declare," the India bowling coach said.

At one point in time, chief coach Ravi Shastri was seen getting onto the field to have a chat with the umpires. Asked about it, Arun said: "Ravi's take was pretty simple. He said 'please get on with the game, you don't need to stop. You take a decision and just get on with the game."

The former Tamil Nadu pacer feels that it's not for players to protest and stop the match as there are match officials (match referee and umpires) assigned for a job.

"I think the umpires and the match referee have a job on h nd and it's not up to the players to go and protest. They know what they are doing. When the play was unnecessarily being stopped, we just wanted to get on with the game because our focus is to win this Test match," Arun said.

He made it clear that the Indian team was not too worried about the pollution.

"I think pollution is everywhere in our country. This pollution levels are serious in our country. I don't think we were too worried about pollution. The BCCI scheduled this matches and our job is to get the best out of our team. Focus is more on that."

Arun agreed that to a certain extent the protest could have broken Kohli's rhythm.

"They wanted to probably stress upon the pollution part and our focus was totally different," Arun said sarcastically. "It could have broken his (Kohli) rhythm. Yes, but at that point, we had to move on and Ravi had to go into the field and tell the umpires to get on with the game."

That the Indian team was irritated with the Sri Lankan antics was evident when someone quizzed if he felt pity for Sri Lankan fast bowlers, as he was a fast bowler himself.

"We are focused on what we have to do and what we need to do to win the Test match. I don't think we need to be thinking about what the opposition does. It's their outlook. It's their problem to keep their bowlers fit," he answered smugly.

http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...-bharat-arun-hits-out-at-lankans-1593457.html

 

[Madplayer]

Yep, underhanded tactics such as multiple players vomiting.

How dare cricbuzz make this story up!! Send anti-national cricbuzz to Pakistan now!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yep, underhanded tactics such as multiple players vomiting.

Vomitting due to air quality? May be we should check with Nigel Long why he did not vomit or Joel wilson. Or why did they even have to wait for 2 full days. Why did they even come to bat?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Indians should realize just because they are used to breathing in dirty polluted air, doesn't mean other nationals have to bear the same thing.

Nigel Llong is not an Indian

 

[jnaveen1980]

This reminds me of England's whining during 1993 tour where they blamed kolkatta smog for their loss.

 

[WengerOut]

According to Pothas , Dhananjaya was vomitting. Why did he come to bat and that too without the LIFE SUPPORTING MASK?

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Yep, underhanded tactics such as multiple players vomiting.

Nobody is saying they were faking it.

SL players were not able to handle it.

Next you'd say, foreign players who are not able to bear Asian summer get dehydrated too quickly should warrant stoppage of play.

Problem is -

Sri Lanka complained to umpires about the pollution.

Umpires and Match Referee referred to the doctors, they said it was okay to play.

Sri Lanka continously kept delaying despite that.

India would have been okay if umpires and referee thought it wasn't okay to play.

One team can't decide if playing conditions are right or wrong.

If Sl were too concerned about their health issues, maybe should have done a Ranatunga and walked off.

But clearly Chandimal didn't want to concede the game. Surprised he didn't feel the need to come out with a mask while batting though. Nor did Matthews.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

According to Pothas , Dhananjaya was vomitting. Why did he come to bat and that too without the LIFE SUPPORTING MASK?

According to Pothas.

Conditions magically became alright when SL came out to bat ) He actually said that, just didn't use the term magically.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Funny how some Pakistani posters who didn't even see the whole episode are by default taking an anti-india stance. Shouldn't surprise me but really, maybe just watch what happened and then comment. So that you guys don't make a fool out of yourselves.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Thank you Sri Lanka for highlighting this issue. Indians don't care for their rights, but care about their reputation. Hopefully now some will wake up and demand clean air from their government. Forget roti kapra aur makaan, just give us clean air.

 

[Madplayer]

According to Pothas.

Conditions magically became alright when SL came out to bat ) He actually said that, just didn't use the term magically.

Are you saying there was not even 1 Srilankan player from such a big squad who had the grace to refuse wearing a mask for getting unfair benefits in the game? All of them a liars?

 

[WengerOut]

They stopped match , India declared and SL started batting within 10 min. Lost first wicket and Sick Dhananjaya came in. Please don't say situation improved in 10 min

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Are you saying there was not even 1 Srilankan player from such a big squad who had the grace to refuse wearing a mask for getting unfair benefits in the game? All of them a liars?

They can wear mask or whatever they want to. Nobody cares what they wear.

What we care about is, that they don't unfairly try and delay the game. Unfortunate for them umpire caught onto their tactics as well and asked to send the bowler off the field and also extended play beyond closing time.

Unprecedented for a test that hasn't been affected by rain or bad light.

So unless you think umpires are sold out to BCCI. Sri Lankan players were clearly using the situation to their advantage. But they did it so blatantly that they got caught.

 

[WengerOut]

Funny how some Pakistani posters who didn't even see the whole episode are by default taking an anti-india stance. Shouldn't surprise me but really, maybe just watch what happened and then comment. So that you guys don't make a fool out of yourselves.

Pollution or not , there will be a long queue of countries wanting to play cricket in India.

 

[Abdullah719]

Vomitting due to air quality? May be we should check with Nigel Long why he did not vomit or Joel wilson. Or why did they even have to wait for 2 full days. Why did they even come to bat?

Humans are not robots, not everyone will have the same bodily reaction.

But if four players are vomiting on the same day then there is an obvious problem.

 

[WengerOut]

Humans are not robots, not everyone will have the same bodily reaction.

But if four players are vomiting on the same day then there is an obvious problem.

One of those guys came to bat without mask within 10 min.

 

[Abdullah719]

One of those guys came to bat without mask within 10 min.

Who said that he vomited 10 minutes before he came out to bat?

I don't know the whole timeline of what happened but this is not gully cricket, if they said it happened then chances are what they're saying is correct.

Do you really think the Match Referee and other ICC officials would let players or a team get away with 'faking' such things?

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Who said that he vomited 10 minutes before he came out to bat?

I don't know the whole timeline of what happened but this is not gully cricket, if they said it happened then chances are what they're saying is correct.

You don't know yet you seem to agree with Sri Lanka's version a lot. Again the bias showing.

The whole pollution episode happened 30-40 minutes before India were forced to declare. And let's not even discuss how couple of young Sri Lankan players who are not smart enough like Chandimal and Matthews couldn't quite control their excitment when Kohli declared. They actually burst into laughter and clapped when a frustrated Kohli declared.

Do you really think the Match Referee and other ICC officials would let players or a team get away with 'faking' such things?

I don't know what Umpires and Referees are going to do about it. But the fact that they didn't pay heed to Sri Lanka's unecessary concern and forced Sri Lanka to send their bowler off instead of stopping play. And also extend play beyond the close of play despite no rain or badlight. Shows what they thought about Sri Lanka's claim

And according to SL coach, within 5 mins of coming back into ground. None of their batsman required face masks because conditions apparantly had gotten much better.

 

[WengerOut]

Who said that he vomited 10 minutes before he came out to bat?

I don't know the whole timeline of what happened but this is not gully cricket, if they said it happened then chances are what they're saying is correct.

Do you really think the Match Referee and other ICC officials would let players or a team get away with 'faking' such things?

Dude , he vommitted. Therefore supposedly he can't handle the conditions. Why did he come to bat under the same condition ( condition after 10 min of them stopping playing) and that too without wearing masks?

 

[CricketCartoons]

If the masks were indeed being used as a strategy and Sri Lankan did not have problems with the pollution, they would be wearing it all the time during fielding and batting.

You breathe in a lot when fielding, not when batting in Test cricket. Also, during batting you want to be comfortable with the gear you are wearing.

 

[WengerOut]

If the masks were indeed being used as a strategy and Sri Lankan did not have problems with the pollution, they would be wearing it all the time during fielding and batting.

You breathe in a lot when fielding, not when batting in Test cricket. Also, during batting you want to be comfortable with the gear you are wearing.

So when batting , comfort takes precedence over "life threatening situation" ?

 

[CricketCartoons]

So when batting , comfort takes precedence over "life threatening situation" ?

Depends on the individual.

 

[WengerOut]

Depends on the individual.

Ok . Let me get this correctly. A match between 2 teams should continue or not based on some individuals? Not on . I understand you are trying to find a middle ground , but too many flaws.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Ok . Let me get this correctly. A match between 2 teams should continue or not based on some individuals? Not on . I understand you are trying to find a middle ground , but too many flaws.

Yes, if the conditions are not suitable, the match should not continue. Safety and well being of cricketers far more important than couch potatoes who want their entertainment.

 

[WengerOut]

Yes, if the conditions are not suitable, the match should not continue. Safety and well being of cricketers far more important than couch potatoes who want their entertainment.

If they were being consistent , they should not have played. It is not your backyard cricket where you can stop or start playing according to your convenience.

 

[Godhelpma]

Come on Indian fellows ,give the visitors some respite .Smog is not a problem of every city or country ,it is more prevalent in some highly polluted cities like Delhi , Lahore , Calcutta and Karachi etc . I live in Lahore and the lahorites experienced the smog this year actually . Although last year there was mild smog too but not quiet heavy like this year.There was an increased frequency of respiratory problems like rhinitis , acute exacerbation of asthma , copd as well as eye disease like conjunctivitis etc . Most of the local residents were wearing masks to avoid these problems. Sl players are not used to this smog , so being in the field for two long days may have caused some health issues for them . It is not compulsory for every one to experience the allergic phenomenon . So ,It is unfair to compare players with umpires. On the other hand, visual fields become obliterated to certain extent with masks on ,so it is out of question to bat with masks.
It is right that Siri lankans used this thing to their convenience but to say that they faked it , is total Ziyadti

 

[MenInG]

India's bowling coach Bharat Arun on Sunday took a dig at the Sri Lankan cricketers, stating that home team captain Virat Kohli did not require anti-pollution mask to bat for nearly two days in the third Test here.


Kohli struck a career-best 243, batting nearly seven and half hours and he was the last home side batsman dismissed on a controversy-marred second day when Sri Lankan players forced an Indian declaration by halting play for 26 minutes, citing uneasiness due to poor air quality caused by smog.

All the Sri Lankan fielders were wearing anti-pollution masks while fielding during the post-lunch session.

"Virat batted close to two days. He did not need a mask. We are focussed on what we need to do. The conditions are the same for both teams and we are not too bothered about it," Arun said when asked if his players were affected by the smog.

The coach then went on to wax eloquent about skipper Kohli.

"His absolute focus is one thing and attention to detail is the key. In terms of fitness and game preparation, he is spot on. He is an example of what you need to be as a cricketer."

Arun said that he would not call the declaration totally forced as they were pretty close to their target score of 550. "We were looking at a total of 550. It was pretty close to that. So we thought we might as well declare," the India bowling coach said.

At one point in time, chief coach Ravi Shastri was seen getting onto the field to have a chat with the umpires. Asked about it, Arun said: "Ravi's take was pretty simple. He said 'please get on with the game, you don't need to stop. You take a decision and just get on with the game."

The former Tamil Nadu pacer feels that it's not for players to protest and stop the match as there are match officials (match referee and umpires) assigned for a job.

"I think the umpires and the match referee have a job on h nd and it's not up to the players to go and protest. They know what they are doing. When the play was unnecessarily being stopped, we just wanted to get on with the game because our focus is to win this Test match," Arun said.

He made it clear that the Indian team was not too worried about the pollution.

"I think pollution is everywhere in our country. This pollution levels are serious in our country. I don't think we were too worried about pollution. The BCCI scheduled this matches and our job is to get the best out of our team. Focus is more on that."

Arun agreed that to a certain extent the protest could have broken Kohli's rhythm.

"They wanted to probably stress upon the pollution part and our focus was totally different," Arun said sarcastically. "It could have broken his (Kohli) rhythm. Yes, but at that point, we had to move on and Ravi had to go into the field and tell the umpires to get on with the game."

That the Indian team was irritated with the Sri Lankan antics was evident when someone quizzed if he felt pity for Sri Lankan fast bowlers, as he was a fast bowler himself.

"We are focused on what we have to do and what we need to do to win the Test match. I don't think we need to be thinking about what the opposition does. It's their outlook. It's their problem to keep their bowlers fit," he answered smugly.

http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...-bharat-arun-hits-out-at-lankans-1593457.html

I am guessing BCCI will foot Kohli's future health bills. Nothing to worry about - atleast there is someone looking after his health.

 

[Abdullah719]

You don't know yet you seem to agree with Sri Lanka's version a lot. Again the bias showing.

The whole pollution episode happened 30-40 minutes before India were forced to declare. And let's not even discuss how couple of young Sri Lankan players who are not smart enough like Chandimal and Matthews couldn't quite control their excitment when Kohli declared. They actually burst into laughter and clapped when a frustrated Kohli declared.

I don't know what Umpires and Referees are going to do about it. But the fact that they didn't pay heed to Sri Lanka's unecessary concern and forced Sri Lanka to send their bowler off instead of stopping play. And also extend play beyond the close of play despite no rain or badlight. Shows what they thought about Sri Lanka's claim

And according to SL coach, within 5 mins of coming back into ground. None of their batsman required face masks because conditions apparantly had gotten much better.

One of the articles mentioned that Chandimal and Mathews were laughing because the support staff was wearing SL clothing ready to come on as they didn't have 11 fit players available.

If SL said they didn't have 11 fit players available on a false pretext, I am pretty sure the officials would have taken action. It's not a small matter.

Dude , he vommitted. Therefore supposedly he can't handle the conditions. Why did he come to bat under the same condition ( condition after 10 min of them stopping playing) and that too without wearing masks?

He vomited, as in the conditions had an adverse effect on him at a certain point. If he came out to bat a few minutes after vomiting straight away then it's strange. But not if there was a gap in between. As long as the match is ongoing, it's the Sri Lankan players' job to come out and play the game as long as they are able to.

Why were some Indian players wearing masks too? Yadav had a mask accessible as 12th man and he wasn't even on the field for most of the time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Good of Bharat Arun to call the Lankans out.

 

[Syed1]

Come on Indian fellows ,give the visitors some respite .Smog is not a problem of every city or country ,it is more prevalent in some highly polluted cities like Delhi , Lahore , Calcutta and Karachi etc . I live in Lahore and the lahorites experienced the smog this year actually . Although last year there was mild smog too but not quiet heavy like this year.There was an increased frequency of respiratory problems like rhinitis , acute exacerbation of asthma , copd as well as eye disease like conjunctivitis etc . Most of the local residents were wearing masks to avoid these problems. Sl players are not used to this smog , so being in the field for two long days may have caused some health issues for them . It is not compulsory for every one to experience the allergic phenomenon . So ,It is unfair to compare players with umpires. On the other hand, visual fields become obliterated to certain extent with masks on ,so it is out of question to bat with masks.
It is right that Siri lankans used this thing to their convenience but to say that they faked it , is total Ziyadti

There is no smog in Karachi

 

[Godhelpma]

I was talking about cities having more air pollution not necessarily smog , and Karachi is one of them .

 

[Bubby]

A valid point made by Nehra yesterday, where he said that Lanka has been practicing here for past two days, they should have complained to match referee then, if they were feeling uneasy, being a Delhite myself I know that smog becomes a problem for atleast two months in Delhi, but it's not that it remains consistently hazy, it remains for few days.

 

[Bubby]

It has lot to do with all the construction and way more vehicles in Delhi ,that is why Govt. Decision to go all electric before 2030 is very necessary although very ambitious as well but that's the need of the hour.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Yep, underhanded tactics such as multiple players vomiting.

That's as per their claims.

It's safe to say that nobody outside their camp would be able to verify whether or not these things are true.

 

[R0H1T]

It has lot to do with all the construction and way more vehicles in Delhi ,that is why Govt. Decision to go all electric before 2030 is very necessary although very ambitious as well but that's the need of the hour.

It will only shift the pollution problem to coal powered power plants, they are much worse in fact. For the time being India should just install industrial level air cleaners, like they have in China, for major cities!

 

[Bubby]

It will only shift the pollution problem to coal powered power plants, they are much worse in fact. For the time being India should just install industrial level air cleaners, like they have in China, for major cities!

the govt is looking forward to nuclear and renewable energy for the future, I agree with industrial level air cleaners, but people needs to be made more aware

 

[asfandyar]

The posters labeling the sufferings of Sri lankan players as "delaying tactics" are ironically the ones who are the most vocal against cricket returning to Pakistan, and the decision being that of the touring team players. Make up your minds mates!

 

[cricketjoshila]

The posters labeling the sufferings of Sri lankan players as "delaying tactics" are ironically the ones who are the most vocal against cricket returning to Pakistan, and the decision being that of the touring team players. Make up your minds mates!

The Lankans are free to say they wont play, pack their bags and leave. Hypocrisy is doing all this at 500 for 5.The umpires had no issues nor did the match refree in breathing.

Will these lankans refuse to play when handed a IPL contract?

They seem to have little issue while batting.Come their time to field again in 2nd innings and they will start these tactics again.

 

[Titan24]

Why BCCI had to choose Delhi as a venue in December? They could have selected any other venue but no they had to go with Delhi and then had to ask bowling coach to justify the smog.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

If you thought this was big, just watch how much drama Srilanka create tomorrow, when they have a very good reason to do delaying tactics.

Gamage and Lakmal will be doubled over in pain and using nebuliser by Over No. 5. I'll be surprised if they bowl more than 50 overs tomorrow, the rate will be so bad, and stoppages so numerous.

 

[CricketCartoons]

If you thought this was big, just watch how much drama Srilanka create tomorrow, when they have a very good reason to do delaying tactics.

Gamage and Lakmal will be doubled over in pain and using nebuliser by Over No. 5. I'll be surprised if they bowl more than 50 overs tomorrow, the rate will be so bad, and stoppages so numerous.

And what will they gain by that? They need to win to square the series.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

And what will they gain by that? They need to win to square the series.

They can't.

They will gain a draw, which is what they are playing for.

They will be playing 180 runs behind, away from home against a superior side. There's no chance whatsoever that their primary goal will be to win.

 

[Zahid87]

The Indians can cry all they want - it just makes them look worse in the eyes of the world.

It is accepted without question that Delhi has a pollution problem. It also stands to reason that foreigners not accustomed to the standard of air in India, let alone Delhi, may find it more difficult to adjust than the locals. I remember I had to go to Delhi in Dec 2015. In the morning, there was a thick haze which made it difficult to even photograph monuments. My nose felt stuffed up all the time, and lets just say I was happy to leave the place.

If I remember reading the news correctly, with the recently concluded FIFA U19 World Cup, organizers deliberately avoided scheduling any games in Delhi after Diwali and the crop burning because of the high pollution levels.

Instead of crying about the problem being highlighted, India should introspect and use this as a wake up call. It is a real problem. Maybe now they will try and deal with it.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

The Indians can cry all they want - it just makes them look worse in the eyes of the world.

It is accepted without question that Delhi has a pollution problem. It also stands to reason that foreigners not accustomed to the standard of air in India, let alone Delhi, may find it more difficult to adjust than the locals. I remember I had to go to Delhi in Dec 2015. In the morning, there was a thick haze which made it difficult to even photograph monuments. My nose felt stuffed up all the time, and lets just say I was happy to leave the place.

If I remember reading the news correctly, with the recently concluded FIFA U19 World Cup, organizers deliberately avoided scheduling any games in Delhi after Diwali and the crop burning because of the high pollution levels.

Instead of crying about the problem being highlighted, India should introspect and use this as a wake up call. It is a real problem. Maybe now they will try and deal with it.

Are you absolutely incapable of handing the slightest degree of nuance? Or everything has to be 'pro-India' or 'Anti-India'?

Yes. Pollution is a problem.

No. It's not so serious that people can't breathe or are collapsing on a field.

Srilankans are opportunistically using this as an excuse to derail and delay a game they are in trouble with.

India must try and solve this problem which is indeed very serious.

All of the above are true, but only if you can handle some basic degree of nuance instead of a simple pro or anti stance.

 

[Zahid87]

Are you absolutely incapable of handing the slightest degree of nuance? Or everything has to be 'pro-India' or 'Anti-India'?

Yes. Pollution is a problem.

No. It's not so serious that people can't breathe or are collapsing on a field.

Srilankans are opportunistically using this as an excuse to derail and delay a game they are in trouble with.

India must try and solve this problem which is indeed very serious.

All of the above are true, but only if you can handle some basic degree of nuance instead of a simple pro or anti stance.

There is no pro or anti India slant here.

It is entirely reasonable to accept the Sri Lankan's at face value. The air quality is poor, and it is entirely possible that the effects of a day and a half in the field began to tell on them. I do not know why this is so difficult to accept.

Quite why we have to assume that it is gamesmanship is beyond me. They are 1-0 down. Whether they lose or draw makes no difference to them. They have to win - wasting time does not help their cause. I am also sure that the Sri Lankan medical staff would have documented what is happening, and taken his findings to the match referee.

And again, I would say introspect. Make an effort to tackle the problem, rather than get upset someone has pointed out it exists.

*Even if the whole of India believes that the Sri Lankan's were being opportunistic, is it so difficult to see that India only has itself to blame for handing the Sri Lankan's 'an excuse'.*

 

[cricketjoshila]

Now by this thread almost everyone seems to have visited Delhi during winter.Wonder whether India even gave that many visas.

 

[WengerOut]

The posters labeling the sufferings of Sri lankan players as "delaying tactics" are ironically the ones who are the most vocal against cricket returning to Pakistan, and the decision being that of the touring team players. Make up your minds mates!

When the mainstream Lankans refused to visit Pak a month earlier, there were name calling and brick bats against them. Atleast here they were playing minutes ago. That time they were scared enough to visit . Still some "human experts" here were vociferous.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

There is no pro or anti India slant here.

It is entirely reasonable to accept the Sri Lankan's at face value. The air quality is poor, and it is entirely possible that the effects of a day and a half in the field began to tell on them. I do not know why this is so difficult to accept.

Quite why we have to assume that it is gamesmanship is beyond me. They are 1-0 down. Whether they lose or draw makes no difference to them. They have to win - wasting time does not help their cause. I am also sure that the Sri Lankan medical staff would have documented what is happening, and taken his findings to the match referee.

And again, I would say introspect. Make an effort to tackle the problem, rather than get upset someone has pointed out it exists.

*Even if the whole of India believes that the Sri Lankan's were being opportunistic, is it so difficult to see that India only has itself to blame for handing the Sri Lankan's 'an excuse'.*

So to directly answer why it's so difficult to accept: Because no Indian player and indeed even the umpires and spectators were not affected.

This is connected to your other observation that "it's fair to take at face value". No it isn't. For two reasons. One: Srilanka are by far the weaker side and had almost no chance of winning either now or at the time they suddenly displayed symptoms of 'air poisoning'.

Two: They have a history of unfair tactics, bad sportsmanship and time-wasting. Even earlier in the series they admitted deliberately starting fights to waste time, wasting time with constant physio visits to pitch, etc. They also wasted enormous amounts of time in a Pakistan chase not so long ago.

The problem is of much larger scope and it's not an either or.

This is like if Srilanka visit Lahore for a series, and with 15 runs needed off 10 overs for Pakistan some Srilankan fielder has a water bottle thrown 5 feet away and the entire side pretends to be terrified for their lives.

In this example how will u feel if Indian posters say: "Well why don't you solve terrorism in your country"?

This is equally stupid. Yes pollution is a problem we are trying to solve, and we accept it's bad. At the same time, Srilankans are faking the symptoms because it benefits them.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

There is no pro or anti India slant here.

It is entirely reasonable to accept the Sri Lankan's at face value. The air quality is poor, and it is entirely possible that the effects of a day and a half in the field began to tell on them. I do not know why this is so difficult to accept.

Quite why we have to assume that it is gamesmanship is beyond me. They are 1-0 down. Whether they lose or draw makes no difference to them. They have to win - wasting time does not help their cause. I am also sure that the Sri Lankan medical staff would have documented what is happening, and taken his findings to the match referee.

And again, I would say introspect. Make an effort to tackle the problem, rather than get upset someone has pointed out it exists.

*Even if the whole of India believes that the Sri Lankan's were being opportunistic, is it so difficult to see that India only has itself to blame for handing the Sri Lankan's 'an excuse'.*

And to add to my earlier response Virat Kohli himself has spoken out about Delhi pollution and the need to improve the air. So NOBODY is denying there is a problem. We are just saying Srilankans are faking symptoms.

If I visit Karachi, and then go and file a fake police complaint, accusing my hosts, do you think it's justified or that people shouldn't point out my mistake "because well Karachi has a very bad law and order situation and why don't you solve that first"?

That does not mean that any and all stalling and delaying tactics however fake will become justified because Delhi has a long-term air quality problem.

 

[Zahid87]

So to directly answer why it's so difficult to accept: Because no Indian player and indeed even the umpires and spectators were not affected.

This is connected to your other observation that "it's fair to take at face value". No it isn't. For two reasons. One: Srilanka are by far the weaker side and had almost no chance of winning either now or at the time they suddenly displayed symptoms of 'air poisoning'.

Two: They have a history of unfair tactics, bad sportsmanship and time-wasting. Even earlier in the series they admitted deliberately starting fights to waste time, wasting time with constant physio visits to pitch, etc. They also wasted enormous amounts of time in a Pakistan chase not so long ago.

The problem is of much larger scope and it's not an either or.

This is like if Srilanka visit Lahore for a series, and with 15 runs needed off 10 overs for Pakistan some Srilankan fielder has a water bottle thrown 5 feet away and the entire side pretends to be terrified for their lives.

In this example how will u feel if Indian posters say: "Well why don't you solve terrorism in your country"?

This is equally stupid. Yes pollution is a problem we are trying to solve, and we accept it's bad. At the same time, Srilankans are faking the symptoms because it benefits them.

I am the first person to accept that when it comes to Pakistan's internal situation, there should be no pointing fingers. You reap what you sow.

And I am also the first person to say that in my opinion, conditions for holding matches in Pakistan are still very difficult. To effectively tackle safety concerns in Pakistan will take a long time - it will not be done overnight.

But in answer to what you said about the Indian players and the umpires. Well the Umpires are merely standing there all day. There is no where near the amount of exertion compared to the players, and especially the fast bowlers.

The Indian players, I would suppose, are almost used to the poor quality of air, and know how to deal with it - R Ashwin reportedly used an Oxygen Ventilator after play. I doubt he would be the only one. Maybe the Sri Lankans did not.

And you are kind of missing my point. All I am really trying to say is that I wish that India would accept that there is a problem, and it is an issue to be dealt with. Accept that there is an issue, and apologise as hosts.

By pointing fingers at the Sri Lankan's, it gives the impression that India would rather just pretend it does not exist, and are in denial about the situation.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Who said that he vomited 10 minutes before he came out to bat?

I don't know the whole timeline of what happened but this is not gully cricket, if they said it happened then chances are what they're saying is correct.

Do you really think the Match Referee and other ICC officials would let players or a team get away with 'faking' such things?

How would you know?

If someone disappears into a bathroom and says they were vomiting there is no way to disprove it.

 

[Zahid87]

And to add to my earlier response Virat Kohli himself has spoken out about Delhi pollution and the need to improve the air. So NOBODY is denying there is a problem. We are just saying Srilankans are faking symptoms.

If I visit Karachi, and then go and file a fake police complaint, accusing my hosts, do you think it's justified or that people shouldn't point out my mistake "because well Karachi has a very bad law and order situation and why don't you solve that first"?

That does not mean that any and all stalling and delaying tactics however fake will become justified because Delhi has a long-term air quality problem.

You have no evidence to say they are faking it.It is your word against theirs.

By saying that they are faking things and using the pollution as an excuse, rather than being humble, it comes off worse!

 

[WengerOut]

I am the first person to accept that when it comes to Pakistan's internal situation, there should be no pointing fingers. You reap what you sow.

And I am also the first person to say that in my opinion, conditions for holding matches in Pakistan are still very difficult. To effectively tackle safety concerns in Pakistan will take a long time - it will not be done overnight.

But in answer to what you said about the Indian players and the umpires. Well the Umpires are merely standing there all day. There is no where near the amount of exertion compared to the players, and especially the fast bowlers.

The Indian players, I would suppose, are almost used to the poor quality of air, and know how to deal with it - R Ashwin reportedly used an Oxygen Ventilator after play. I doubt he would be the only one. Maybe the Sri Lankans did not.

And you are kind of missing my point. All I am really trying to say is that I wish that India would accept that there is a problem, and it is an issue to be dealt with. Accept that there is an issue, and apologise as hosts.

By pointing fingers at the Sri Lankan's, it gives the impression that India would rather just pretend it does not exist, and are in denial about the situation.

Nobody denied the pollution. And i beleive it is being eradicated gradually. It is that the Lankans made a meal out of it WITHOUT BEING CONSISTENT ( MASKS WHILE FIELDING AND NOT WHILE BATTING). Now we all know if there is space for a needle , they would try to insert a spade.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I am the first person to accept that when it comes to Pakistan's internal situation, there should be no pointing fingers. You reap what you sow.

And I am also the first person to say that in my opinion, conditions for holding matches in Pakistan are still very difficult. To effectively tackle safety concerns in Pakistan will take a long time - it will not be done overnight.

But in answer to what you said about the Indian players and the umpires. Well the Umpires are merely standing there all day. There is no where near the amount of exertion compared to the players, and especially the fast bowlers.

The Indian players, I would suppose, are almost used to the poor quality of air, and know how to deal with it - R Ashwin reportedly used an Oxygen Ventilator after play. I doubt he would be the only one. Maybe the Sri Lankans did not.

And you are kind of missing my point. All I am really trying to say is that I wish that India would accept that there is a problem, and it is an issue to be dealt with. Accept that there is an issue, and apologise as hosts.

By pointing fingers at the Sri Lankan's, it gives the impression that India would rather just pretend it does not exist, and are in denial about the situation.

Bhai it's not an either/or.

Yes everyone from Virat Kohli to myself has accepted that Delhi air quality has major problems.

That DOES NOT mean that we have to agree that all time-wasting by Srilanka is justified.

On apology for having a match here, even half-marathon and football World Cup were held when air conditions were actually a little worse.

I am not a mindless jingoist who will refuse to admit that India has problems. I agree this is a problem as well. I'm just saying that the Srilankans are faking it, and anyone who has followed their conduct closely would find that their difficulties with playing conditions always occur at incredibly convenient times.

 

[UN talkz]

Now by this thread almost everyone seems to have visited Delhi during winter.Wonder whether India even gave that many visas.

Lame joke

 

[Abdullah719]

Bhai it's not an either/or.

Yes everyone from Virat Kohli to myself has accepted that Delhi air quality has major problems.

That DOES NOT mean that we have to agree that all time-wasting by Srilanka is justified.

On apology for having a match here, even half-marathon and football World Cup were held when air conditions were actually a little worse.

I am not a mindless jingoist who will refuse to admit that India has problems. I agree this is a problem as well. I'm just saying that the Srilankans are faking it, and anyone who has followed their conduct closely would find that their difficulties with playing conditions always occur at incredibly convenient times.

I don't mind this argument, it's plausible if they have been using delaying tactics at other points during the series as well.

My issue is when people say that it's simply impossible for opponents to have a problem with the air quality etc. simply because Indians are fine with it, or other similar arguments.

All this could have been avoided if the match was held elsewhere, the Sri Lankans wouldn't have the opportunity to use such tactics (if that's the case here); I've seen posts from earlier this year on social media from the likes of Bhajji pointing out how bad the air quality is and all so why hold the match in Delhi specifically?

 

[asfandyar]

The Lankans are free to say they wont play, pack their bags and leave. Hypocrisy is doing all this at 500 for 5.The umpires had no issues nor did the match refree in breathing.

Will these lankans refuse to play when handed a IPL contract?

They seem to have little issue while batting.Come their time to field again in 2nd innings and they will start these tactics again.

When the mainstream Lankans refused to visit Pak a month earlier, there were name calling and brick bats against them. Atleast here they were playing minutes ago. That time they were scared enough to visit . Still some "human experts" here were vociferous.

The decision to continue playing is the Sri lankan's. Timing of that decision is irrelevant. If a harassment victim reports after two years, you don't go on to say "why was she silent for two years?" If a team is touring a country, and the host country posts 500 and there's a bomb attack in that city, the decision on whether to continue playing is the touring team's. Calling these manipulative, delay tactics to avoid defeat comes under the umbrella of jingoism. In any case, India has thrashed Sri lanka for the past million years so if they were in fact afraid, they would not have toured in the first place, citing pollution as the cause.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

It's heartwarming to see Pakistani brothers stand up for their Lankan friends so vociferously. Not that I ever doubted that would be the case when I made this thread.

I will be interested to see how Matthews and Chandimal come out tomorrow. Playing a long innings today they didn't feel the need to wear masks. Maybe tomorrow the conditions will magically become so worse, that they will need it from the first over.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

The decision to continue playing is the Sri lankan's. Timing of that decision is irrelevant. If a harassment victim reports after two years, you don't go on to say "why was she silent for two years?" If a team is touring a country, and the host country posts 500 and there's a bomb attack in that city, the decision on whether to continue playing is the touring team's. Calling these manipulative, delay tactics to avoid defeat comes under the umbrella of jingoism. In any case, India has thrashed Sri lanka for the past million years so if they were in fact afraid, they would not have toured in the first place, citing pollution as the cause.

Of course. They should decide not to play. Rule book says if a team refuses to field despite umpires and opposition willing to play on. They concede the game.

They can't expect to decide unilaterally if conditions are not suitable to play and hope match is called off or abandoned. lol that ain't happening. As much as some of you guys hoping for it, it's not going to happen.

 

[asfandyar]

Of course. They should decide not to play. Rule book says if a team refuses to field despite umpires and opposition willing to play on. They concede the game.

They can't expect to decide unilaterally if conditions are not suitable to play and hope match is called off or abandoned. lol that ain't happening. As much as some of you guys hoping for it, it's not going to happen.

I'm actually surprised how you managed to type this reply with those cynical glasses on.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

I'm actually surprised how you managed to type this reply with those cynical glasses on.

Well that frankly has to do a lot with many Pak posters siding with Lankan version without even watching the whole episode.

Maybe I went too far with that bit and that might not be the case but certainly feels like it.

 

[ethan hunt]

This Bharat arun is very underrated. One of the better coaches around.
The improvement in bowlers like ishanth is remarkable. The bowling plan, lines and field setting ( with help from a quality video analyst) is top notch. Truly earning his pay check, unlike the Burewala express who seems to have messed up Naseems run up.

 

[volcyz]

This Bharat arun is very underrated. One of the better coaches around.
The improvement in bowlers like ishanth is remarkable. The bowling plan, lines and field setting ( with help from a quality video analyst) is top notch. Truly earning his pay check, unlike the Burewala express who seems to have messed up Naseems run up.

Waqars coaching is a disgrace

How he still coaching these pacers after being so ineffective in the past is beyond me.

 

[Saurav]

This Bharat arun is very underrated. One of the better coaches around.
The improvement in bowlers like ishanth is remarkable. The bowling plan, lines and field setting ( with help from a quality video analyst) is top notch. Truly earning his pay check, unlike the Burewala express who seems to have messed up Naseems run up.

But he still gets panned by Indian fans because 'since he was a trundler he will make our bowlers trundlers too'

OTOH We need to ask questions of batting coach.Commentators are finding faults in players techniques with limited viewing but he seems clueless