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Jizya was on non muslims. Muslims weren't required to pay Jizya. That's the difference.
Muslims were required to pay zakat.. non Muslims weren’t
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Jizya was on non muslims. Muslims weren't required to pay Jizya. That's the difference.
There's nothing wrong if you (as a Christian) feel better about a fellow Christian's accomplishments.
It is all about representation. Muslims worldwide are one Ummah. Ummah is a nation itself.
Just like cricket fans celebrate their countries' wins (despite not playing themselves), Muslims also feel good about the inventions of fellow Muslims.
Except that the rest of the world will laugh their backs off if I try to take pride over Thomas Edison's inventions.
Except that the rest of the world will laugh their backs off if I try to take pride over Thomas Edison's inventions.
I was born in India and lived there for a couple of decades. So I can claim some of that pride.
You are not an Arab or Persian or Turkish. You are a Bengali. All of the afore mentioned groups ruled over you for 1000 years. You are not part of the ruling monarchy. Your ancestors were subjects of the invaders.
I hope you understood the difference.
You are trying to define Ummah through the lens/perspective of India.
By your logic, you shouldn't take pride if India wins World Cup (since you have no part in it).
Do persians and arabs represent bangladeshis? Do Persians and Arabs agree with Bangladeshis trying to steal credit of the achievements of the ancestors of the Arabs persians or turks?
I can't believe many Indians are still salty about Mughals.
If Mughals wanted to, they could've wiped you out. But, that was not the intention.
No he is defining as the world is defined today.
An Indian can feel proud of the world cup as it was won by the Indian National Team representative of the Indians.
Do persians and arabs represent bangladeshis? Do Persians and Arabs agree with Bangladeshis trying to steal credit of the achievements of the ancestors of the Arabs persians or turks?
I think our little Bangladeshi friend here would get a rude awakening if he goes and spends some real time with the Arabs and Persians in the middle east. Arabs mostly look down on ppl from the sub continent in general, I am speaking from 1st hand experience here..
Steal credits? LMAO.
You Indians do not really understand the definition of ummah. Stick to money and IPL.
I have had many Arab/Turkish/Iranian friends. They don't think like Indians. Speak for yourself.
I think our little Bangladeshi friend here would get a rude awakening if he goes and spends some real time with the Arabs and Persians in the middle east. Arabs mostly look down on ppl from the sub continent in general, I am speaking from 1st hand experience here..
I can't believe many Indians are still salty about Mughals.
If Mughals wanted to, they could've wiped you out. But, that was not the intention.
So if I convert to Islam tomorrow, I can boast about how I ruled all Hindus for 1000 years? ��
Subcontinent Muslims have no role in any of the Arab/Persian and Central Asian conquests or achievements.
But the question remains, how is a Bangladeshi related to the achievements of Persians or Arabs or Turks?
I think our little Bangladeshi friend here would get a rude awakening if he goes and spends some real time with the Arabs and Persians in the middle east. Arabs mostly look down on ppl from the sub continent in general, I am speaking from 1st hand experience here..
Yes steal credit. A Bangladeshi has no link to the achievements of the arabs or turks or persians, yet they try to claim those achievements because those people were muslims.
Ummah? You mean 1971 Ummah?
I don't claim any of the achievements of the Iranians or Turks or Arabs. I don't care if they like or dislike Indians.
Regards to Bangladeshis, well can you ask your countrymen to stay out of my country.
Stating the facts that Muslims ruled over Hindus for over 1000 years isn't boasting, it's just stating the facts. Same as we Brits acknowledge the Romans ruled over us in the medieval era. It's not a personal statement, it's just how it was.
Don't behave like India has some type of invincible army. Your pilot enjoyed some fantastic tea not long ago. China also showed you your place.
No one will deny that Moghuls didn't rule at a time in India.
But the unfortunate bit was that the ruling wasn't done by all muslims as a whole such as the ethnic Muslims you find in Bangladesh or Pakistani muslims that look like the Javid Miandads, Ijaz Ahmed etc..
So the ruling glory only belongs to a selected few ��
Being a Muslim isn't about being a skin colour or a race. This is something which seems to really confuse Indians. Same as being a Christian isn't about being olive skinned or being born in Palestine, that's why you have so many proud Christians of European descent.
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It's not about race or skin colour, yes agreed. But we need to be clear which muslims were in charge at the time: the moghul muslims or the converts. We know the answer for this don't we Cap....
Yeah but when your Ummah Brethern Pakistanis were giving your rear end a real whipping in 71, it was the Indians that helped you out, shouldn't forget your place also.
Has anyone tried to suggest the Mughals weren't in charge? It's a fact, only seems to burn RSS types, and I don't think it's healthy. History is written, no point in trying to pretend it was different.
These Indians make me laugh. They think Islam operates like their disgusting caste system.
They try to define the world through their materialistic lens. They don't seem capable of understanding anything beyond money, skin color, and nationality.
Don't generalize all indians please. These joshilas and tandoori rottis don't represent all of us. They are so used to insulting muslims in India that they think they can get away by insulting muslims from neighbouring countries as well. They should learn from this Nupur Sharma incident and implement live and let live' in their lives.
These Indians make me laugh. They think Islam operates like their disgusting caste system.
They try to define the world through their materialistic lens. They don't seem capable of understanding anything beyond money, skin color, and nationality.
May be we should ask what are the achievements of subcontinental origin muslims since they accepted Islam?
Open Hinduphobia I see.
Open Hinduphobia I see.
Good question. Lets see the responses.
Okay if you say so.
I don't think any Bangladeshi needs your permission about who they support. Know your place.
There are many accomplishments from subcontinental Muslims. All you have to do is avoid BJP propaganda and use Google.
Tell me, what have BJP people achieved? It can go both ways.
I simply called out discriminatory caste system.
Looks like you support it.
Are there any books us ignorant can read about how the ferocious warrior like Bangladeshis ruled over Indians? We cannot completely trust the RSS backed Hindu history which was taught to us in schools.
Not to divert from our discussion. What have Bangladeshi Muslims achieved? Any inventions or discoveries that the world cherishes?
Most modern Indians themselves describe the caste system as disgusting. Certainly how it was implemented down the centuries. Are you an advocate of caste system? Is it an intrinsical part of Hindu religion and that is why you are claiming Hinduphobia?
More deflection.
Looks like you are okay with caste system.
Looks like some of you are very insecure and salty about Mughal Empire. See a doctor.
I am not okay with the way it is practiced. But I will not call a religion disgusting.
Where did I call the religion disgusting? I called the caste system disgusting.
You yourself mentioned modern day caste system is not from original Hinduism. So, why are you burning?
No he is defining as the world is defined today.
An Indian can feel proud of the world cup as it was won by the Indian National Team representative of the Indians.
Do persians and arabs represent bangladeshis? Do Persians and Arabs agree with Bangladeshis trying to steal credit of the achievements of the ancestors of the Arabs persians or turks?
But it is now. Religions evolve. If you are calling Caste System disgusting, you are calling Hinduism disgusting too. Modern day rigid caste system is part of Hinduism for over 1000 years now. It is an integral part of Hinduism now.
You could have said misguided Hindus or ignorant Hindus. I would have had no problem.
Okay if you say so.
I don't think any Bangladeshi needs your permission about who they support. Know your place.
Where is the question of support? You can support anyone.
But when you start to steal credit for what the Arabs or Persians or Turks did, then ofcourse the question arises what is the connection of Bangladeshis towards those achievements.
Why can't you simply explain one thing, are you trying to say that achievements of one muslim is the achievement of another muslim too, and that's why Bangladeshis take credit for what Arabs or Persians or Turks did? Why is it difficult to explain this?
My place is where everyday 10 million Bangladeshis came and took refuge to escape genocide. We helped, despite what Bangladeshis has done in 1946 and 1947. Know your place.
You can't relate to achievements of Iranians/Turks/Arabs because you are a Hindu. You can't relate to them for obvious reasons.
Maybe you have lack of comprehension skills. You are yet to understand the definition of Ummah.
Ask India to stay out of Bangladesh too. Stop supporting terrorism in neighboring areas (Balochistan, Chittagong etc.).
Don't behave like India has some type of invincible army. Your pilot enjoyed some fantastic tea not long ago. China also showed you your place.
Where is the question of support? You can support anyone.
But when you start to steal credit for what the Arabs or Persians or Turks did, then ofcourse the question arises what is the connection of Bangladeshis towards those achievements.
Why can't you simply explain one thing, are you trying to say that achievements of one muslim is the achievement of another muslim too, and that's why Bangladeshis take credit for what Arabs or Persians or Turks did? Why is it difficult to explain this?
My place is where everyday 10 million Bangladeshis came and took refuge to escape genocide. We helped, despite what Bangladeshis has done in 1946 and 1947. Know your place.
China lost more men than us.
Did you help yourself? If not, why are you stealing credit?
I understand the concept of Ummah is alien to Hindus but Muslims worldwide are connected by Islamic brotherhood. If you visit any mosque, you can see what I mean.
There is nothing wrong in acknowledging and feeling good about inventions of fellow Muslims.
Again, I do not owe an explanation to any Indian as I do not live in BJP's India.
So a muslim is allowed to take credit of the achievements of another muslim. If yes, then say that. Why are you beating about the bush.
Then please define Ummah. Because i dont see the Arabs or Turks or Persians, having an open border with Bangladesh.
Balochistan is in Bangladesh? So the BD govt accuses India of terrorism in Chittagong?
Our pilots bombed a hill top and flew back unchallenged the night before. China lost more men than us. US and Russian media said so.
You, your people, your country exists because of India's army.Else your ummah brethern were effectively getting rid your people. Learn to know the reality and be grateful. Though i am not surprised.
My country's army won the Bangladesh war. The pakistan army surrendered to the Indian Army not any Bangladeshi Army.
I also acknowledge the achievements of islamic scholars and European inventors but i dont claim that its the achievement of any Indian. Acknowledgement of something and claiming credit of something are two different things.
If i am to understand correctly, achievements of one muslim can be claimed by other muslims too. Is that what you are saying?
Talk about delusion. LOL.
China played you like a violin. You are no match to China.
We are not Bangladeshis, we are a nuclear power nation which created a new nation in 1971.
American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades
Chinese and Indian forces clashed in the region in May and June 2020, resulting in at least 20 Indian and 45 Chinese servicemen dead
https://tass.com/world/1254813
An American intelligence official said last summer that China had deliberately concealed its soldiers' deaths, suggesting that between 20 and 30 had perished."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/19/world/asia/china-india-clash.html
Not everyone is in the awe of the Chinese.
Where did I claim credit? Can you show one post where I claimed credit?
Also, I do not care about 1971 war. I believe 1971 war mostly benefited India. If I were living in 1971, I would've probably been neutral.
You are a nuclear nation yet your pilot enjoys fantastic tea.
You posted American propaganda sources. Cute.
1971 benefited India? So why do Bangladeshis celebrate it? They shouldn't.
Were the bengali speakers asked if they were neutral or on which side?
Or were they simply raped,ravaged and killed?
So you are saying that the achievements of one muslim is not the achievement of other muslims?
I posted both American and Russian sources.
May be you want a Chinese source?
A squadron of mirages went many kilometres inside a nuclear powered nation and bombed it and came back, UNCHALLENGED.
Abhinandan flew inside enemy airspace alone in a 50 year old fighter jet, chasing away modern 4thbgen fighters. And despite losing his jet and everything else, walked back home within 72 hrs.
Have you ever met any Turk/Arab/Persian in real life?
My dentist is an Iranian. I buy regularly from Arab food stores. I have Turkish friends. I never faced any racism or problem.
I think you should speak for yourself rather than trying to be a spokesperson for Arabs/Turks/Persians. I am sure they don't need a Hindu to speak for them.
Isn't racism a crime in Canada? The people you met are like you, immigrants, living in another country.
I am trying to be no one's spokesman. I am only asking if Bangladeshis get to take credit for the achievements of Iranians Turks Persians because they are muslims. And are you trying to say that the achievements of one muslim is the achievement of another muslim.
No amount of chest thumping can change the fact you are inferior to China.
China can annex India if they wish to.
No. We are not some small weak country that we will be annexed. China camt even annex Sikkim and Tawang, which they claim to be chinese territories l.
So are the sources i posted lying? Both Russians and Americans?
Isn't racism a crime in Canada? The people you met are like you, immigrants, living in another country.
I am trying to be no one's spokesman. I am only asking if Bangladeshis get to take credit for the achievements of Iranians Turks Persians because they are muslims. And are you trying to say that the achievements of one muslim is the achievement of another muslim.
Now I see [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] idea of ummah. He wants to appropriate Pakistan's great fast bowlers.
I would do that too if Taskin Ahmed and Al Amin Hossien are the best Bangladesh has ever produced.
Congratulations to [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] on Neil Armstrong going to the moon. Your kind has made tremendous progress which all other kinds must emulate. You and your kind have set the path for others to follow.
I also want to thank [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] for all the medicines and modern tech and cures you have invented. I hope we can someday do something of our own to be proud of.
Congratulations to [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] on Neil Armstrong going to the moon. Your kind has made tremendous progress which all other kinds must emulate. You and your kind have set the path for others to follow.
I also want to thank [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] for all the medicines and modern tech and cures you have invented. I hope we can someday do something of our own to be proud of.
How did discussion go from BJP/Ummah/China/India to fast bowling?
Ran out of ideas?
If you want to learn about ummah, you can always check on the internet. I hope you will see the light and convert.
Another hilarious post.
I guess this is what happens when you are ruled by a terrorist government like BJP for too long.
You are lost bro. When you can claim all Middle Eastern Muslim inventions, Hitman can also claim all European inventions.
Thank you Hitman.
Can you go to Saudi Arabia without Visa? Can you stay in UAE indefinitely and claim that Burj Khalifa was built by your people and marry their women?
Comeback and lecture about Ummah when you can do all those things.
Your claims are so ridiculous that I have to talk about appropriating Pakistani fast bowlers
Ummah (/ˈʊmə/;[1] Arabic: أمة [ˈʊmːæ]) is an Arabic word meaning "community". It is distinguished from shaʻb (شعب [ʃæʕb]), which means a nation with common ancestry or geography. Thus, it can be said to be a supra-national community with a common history.
It is a synonym for ummat al-Islām (أمة الإسلام, 'the Islamic community'); it is commonly used to mean the collective community of Islamic people.[2] In the Quran the ummah typically refers to a single group that shares common religious beliefs, specifically those that are the objects of a divine plan of salvation.[3][4] In the context of pan-Islamism and politics, the word ummah can be used to mean the concept of a Commonwealth of the Muslim Believers (أمة المؤمنين ummat al-muʼminīn).
Don't generalize all indians please. These joshilas and tandoori rottis don't represent all of us. They are so used to insulting muslims in India that they think they can get away by insulting muslims from neighbouring countries as well. They should learn from this Nupur Sharma incident and implement live and let live' in their lives.
Has anyone tried to suggest the Mughals weren't in charge? It's a fact, only seems to burn RSS types, and I don't think it's healthy. History is written, no point in trying to pretend it was different.
Always whataboutism and deflection.
1971 happened a long time ago. Focus on recent times.
Well you talking Ummah which came into existence a 1000 plus years ago. 1971 is only recent in comparison, and the point was when push comes to shove the Ummah hardly exists, when West Pakistanis raped and
Slaughtered the Bangladeshis in the 1000s....
I think our little Bangladeshi friend here would get a rude awakening if he goes and spends some real time with the Arabs and Persians in the middle east. Arabs mostly look down on ppl from the sub continent in general, I am speaking from 1st hand experience here..
Open Hinduphobia I see.
Lol your first hand experience of being looked down upon doesn’t mean every person will be treated second class like you… Most likely it’s a you problem
China can annex Delhi and Mumbai if they wish to. Sikkim is nothing.
China cannot which is why they haven't. Ofcourse chinese wont go to war because of a Bangladeshi.