BlackCaps abandon tour to Pakistan following a New Zealand government security alert

[Sycamore]

There's probably pressure on ardern , I remember reading an article in which some minister was critising her for giving the team permission to travel to Pakistin.

Also just a few days ago, NZ had an attack in their supermarket where the attacker was on 24/7 surveillance, and he still managed to kill someone, the agency officers were outside waiting for him, So that's the type of policing and security they are used to providing. Maybe they think all security agencies are upto that level.

 

[Yk313]

I wouldn't worry unnecessarily. The initial fallout and the emotional setback is always difficult to deal with but we should be prepared about the next few years being difficult.

PAK hosted international tournaments without any difficulty during 80s and 90s, decades which did not exactly see a settled, safe or progressive Afghanistan. At that point T & co. were being backed by the US and until '01 this remained the case. Part of the problem with the fallout is that prior to '01 a lot of these "freedom fighters" had not been labelled otherwise. Now, with the new label and perception, it is quite difficult to get rid of the image even if the situation on the ground remains different.

Things of course started to change when the course was adjusted. The early 2010s saw further deterioration in security for both, local citizens and foreign visitors. Zardari govt. managed nothing to safeguard the local citizens from local mobsters or more expansive security threats. Anyone willing to be honest on this forum will know that after the '09 attacks cricket was perhaps the last thing on the minds of the citizens in early '10s.

There was always going to be an initial shock following the departure of US from A. The current tours of NZD and ENG were drastically accommodated in any case and really should have been planned for '22.

I think once the dust starts to settle PAK should be back to hosting teams for bilateral series around '22 / '23 and possibly tournaments from '25.

As far as today's decision is concerned, no point belabouring about it. Wait for the final intel / statement to come through. The good thing is that NZD landed here and practised for a few days before today which means something changed in the last ~12 hours or so. ECB will still likely cancel but at least on this occasion they should be able to shed further light on what prompted the decision given all of these countries have had their security reps make various tours of PAK to lap up the situation.

 

[Buffet]

A government of clowns. )

What sins did we commit for this government to rule us?

Do you seriously think that the government could have done much to not spook NZ?

Slightest of threat and NZ/Aus is going to get spooked. The government failed last time during the SL attack, but the government has provided good security in the last few years when some tours happened.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Irrational thoughts here.

New security threats may emerge within 2-3 days. Now threat may be credible or simply noise, but that's a different issue.

Why they aren't sharing the details with Pakistan? They should give enough proof of threats to give heads up to all other teams who are planning to tour Pakistan.

 

[Buffet]

Why they aren't sharing the details with Pakistan? They should give enough proof of threats to give heads up to all other teams who are planning to tour Pakistan.

I don't have an answer for that. Hopefully, we find out more details in the coming days.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

well... as shocking and as disappointing as it gets, I hope NZ security advisers relay the threat details to ISI, and then ISI takes care it from there.

It would be nice to get to the bottom of this "security threat".

There is no threat. NZ doing mockery and nothing else.

 

[shamaan]

If we're going to debate on intelligence slip ups, you're not going to win this one.

You think new Zealand has a better intelligence than Pakistan lol.

 

[princeuk]

This is so dissapointing, I would like to hear the official reason.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

There is no threat. NZ doing mockery and nothing else.

Yeah but why would they do that?

I thought their govt body is somewhat fair and not expected to pull such third class cheap stunts.

 

[Kroll]

100% support the decision of the NZ government.

How can you do that when literally only a few hours have passed and we don’t have any information?

 

[Titan24]

On a serious note though. Let's think logically and not emotionally. I think NZ made the right call given the regional instability and the attacks that have happened in recent times.

I want to be completely neutral but, whatever way you look at it its poor stuff. Regional shifts were already happening when they agreed to tour, nothing has happened in 12 hrs to cancel it and with regards to the region.

 

[topspin]

You think new Zealand has a better intelligence than Pakistan lol.

That's the not the point. What he's alluding to is how Pakistan hid OBL. Our army and intelligence wanted to keep his presence a secret but we failed as US managed to do their operation and eliminate him.

The problem is we don't have a good international reputation. The only country Pakistan can blame is it itself.

 

[Yk313]

However Pakistan has its share of own goals. The President recently backed an amnesty for TTP militants who lay down their arms, while the Voice of TTP escaped from military custody. The Prime Minister thinks Pakistan doesn't even need a softer image. And then there's the Taliban takeover.

Look I'm not arguing whether supporting Afghan Taliban was the right or wrong move.

I think the amnesty, the public posturing etc. is just the tip of the iceberg. The economic, geopolitical, optical reality is that the US can, at times begrudgingly, admit to having funded / supported mujahideen etc. and get away with it. Details of their withdrawal agreement with T can come out and show that the same move could have been undertaken many moons ago, they can call T "professional" and "businesslike" and get away with it all.

PAK's pedigree in running proxies is not likely to have such a free hand, not to mention that the physical proximity of the war from PAK's borders doesn't allow it to detach itself from it as much anyway. Add on top of this the willing and deliberate play by "esteemed" generals to latch onto this proxy war without foresight and we find ourselves where we are today.

The recognition of T will not depend as much on human-rights violations, women's rights etc. as it is being made out to be - even in this age of social media and digital leaks. S Arabia and various MENA countries enjoy full backing of the US despite having nothing to show for the above labels. If an economically / politically viable deal can be achieved (I would wager this will likely not be until '23 as '22 will be too early and the exit will be fresh in the minds of many / will hamper the image) then I see no reason for US to not cozy up to T with some combination of good cop / sanctions.

PAK has its plate full with a govt. very limited in its ability to tackle domestic or foreign policy challenges. Somehow PAK will need to quieten down the threat from T and do so without waging a full scale war. This will not be easy.

 

[rhony]

My guess is that some org with a couple of Jihadis made an empty threat on some forum. Pak security forces knew it was an empty threat but NZ took it seriously. There are also politics involved after AUS cancelled Afg test. Afpak is back it appears.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Yeah but why would they do that?

I thought their govt body is somewhat fair and not expected to pull such third class cheap stunts.

They are being used. Puppets and nothing else.

 

[topspin]

Whilst [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] might be having a field day, he's right to pin the blame on the government.

We have a president who supports the Taliban and has a very soft/sympathetic approach those radicals.

People forget he once openly called OBL a Shaheed.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Whilst [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] might be having a field day, he's right to pin the blame on the government.

We have a president who supports the Taliban and has a very soft/sympathetic approach those radicals.

People forget he once openly called OBL a Shaheed.

Isn't this truly dumb?

Think about it, if the president has a soft corner and friendly terms with Talibans THEN, we shouldn't be worried about Talibans. Why would Taliabans attack NZ team in Pakistan and lose that friendly relationship with the president and ISI and whatnot?

Unless you are saying that, "Because the president is friendly with Talibans, it has irked India, and Indians were planning to jeopardize this tour by posing a security threat"?

 

[SM1989]

Pakistan should consider withdrawing security now for the NZ players and management and tell them to get out of the country on their own. Since our security is not good enough for them anyway, why should we bend over to provide it?

 

[Space Cat]

So you are telling me your government was doing its homework months before NZ team agreed to tour and at the last minute did a brilliant job in identifying a threat?

Pull the other one.

Im telling you my trust is built on a proven track record from my own experiences as a NZ citizen. Would you like me to pretend otherwise to make you feel better?

 

[Usman Chadda]

While NZ has every right to call off the tour based on the intel received by their security agencies, what they don’t have the right to do is cancel a tour UNILATERALLY. People sitting on both sides of the extremes need to think about this nonsense behaviour.

NZ has dealt in bad faith here

 

[Lonewarrior]

Its nothing to do with India, what we gather the info comes from US/UK nexus, if anyone is to blame its US/UK false intel .....
Also NZ isnt sharing any info about threat level, which means they also dont know about the threats, they are only following what UK intel told them .....

 

[Yk313]

That's the not the point. What he's alluding to is how Pakistan hid OBL. Our army and intelligence wanted to keep his presence a secret but we failed as US managed to do their operation and eliminate him.

The problem is we don't have a good international reputation. The only country Pakistan can blame is it itself.

Indeed. Poor international reputation and PAK only has itself to blame. PAK with its limited reach and stature could never have pulled off the same stunts US could, not to mention the fundamental folly of harbouring and arming these groups for proxies.

The problem with perceptions and tags is that they are lagging indicators when things have improved but leading indicators when it comes to forward-looking / pre-emptive decision making. At any rate, I feel once things have stabilised over the next few years (likely '23) PAK can start hosting cricket again properly.

 

[JaDed]

It seems more like the Anglo Alliance than Indian one but easier to blame India though

 

[Technics 1210]

Im telling you my trust is built on a proven track record from my own experiences as a NZ citizen. Would you like me to pretend otherwise to make you feel better?

Some trust you are referring to when NZ authorities paved the way for a series in Pakistan.

Pretend all you want, seems like the NZ authorities are gullible at best.

 

[Mamoon]

Do you seriously think that the government could have done much to not spook NZ?

Slightest of threat and NZ/Aus is going to get spooked. The government failed last time during the SL attack, but the government has provided good security in the last few years when some tours happened.

I am talking about the statement of the interior minister that this is a conspiracy against Pakistan.

 

[shamaan]

Let's see what the New Zealand intelligence have to say regarding the threat.India had a big part to play !.

 

[Civil]

The precedence this sets for us to ever host again is disheartening. Chances are we will never again host Eng, Aus, NZ.

The standard that needs to meet is unattainable ..a team can have perfect security for weeks and all it will take is an empty threat minutes before toss to cancel the tour.

 

[zarak]

Yup, if the threat is credible, it's good they caught it early and called it off early rather than proceeding and cricket being gone from Pakistan a good 20-30 years.

And if it is not and just a hoax. Then what. Who will pay for the damages to our reputation and goodwill we built

 

[topspin]

Indeed. Poor international reputation and PAK only has itself to blame. PAK with its limited reach and stature could never have pulled off the same stunts US could, not to mention the fundamental folly of harbouring and arming these groups for proxies.

The problem with perceptions and tags is that they are lagging indicators when things have improved but leading indicators when it comes to forward-looking / pre-emptive decision making. At any rate, I feel once things have stabilised over the next few years (likely '23) PAK can start hosting cricket again properly.

I would like to share your optimism, I really do but I feel this is only the beginning of another dark decade for Pakistan and their cricket unless the Afghan Taliban can somehow be kept out of power. Whatever is going on in Afghanistan, it is spilling over to Pakistan.

Bombings are starting to remerge again, whilst it's low in numbers at present, I don't think we have it under control. This is the problem when you have a country that has a soft/sympathetic stance towards the likes of TTP, Afghan Taliban, TLP and etc.

 

[Gilly]

Some trust you are referring to when NZ authorities paved the way for a series in Pakistan.

Pretend all you want, seems like the NZ authorities are gullible at best.

People dont understand the ramifications on the NZ cricket board in these issues.

If they were to proceed with the match/tour after being informed of a threat and any player/official did get inured/killed in an attack the NZ cricket board officials would be charged with criminal offences and jailed. There are severe concequences going against intelligence advice. NZCB had no option here.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It seems more like the Anglo Alliance than Indian one but easier to blame India though

possibly yes, but why?

And while we are at speculations, India is currently THE ONLY country that has malicious and heinous intentions against Pakistan and int'l cricket happening in Pakistan.

No other country gets anything out if it except India.

ECB has been supportive of PCB in the past at quite a few incidents, and NZ cricket also has a decent governing body. There is quite less likely of a chance that NZ and ECB are stooping down to these cheap third class stunts that suit a lot more with BJP/Indian style of work.

 

[Aman]

People dont understand the ramifications on the NZ cricket board in these issues.

If they were to proceed with the match/tour after being informed of a threat and any player/official did get inured/killed in an attack the NZ cricket board officials would be charged with criminal offences and jailed. There are severe concequences going against intelligence advice. NZCB had no option here.

I don't understand how some people believe NZC are in the wrong for NOT disregarding what government and security agencies are saying and sending players potentially to their deaths. Mind numbingly idiotic thinking from emotional Pakistani fans.

It's like a commander sending his troops into battle despite being informed that they may walking into an enemy trap.

 

[Technics 1210]

People dont understand the ramifications on the NZ cricket board in these issues.

If they were to proceed with the match/tour after being informed of a threat and any player/official did get inured/killed in an attack the NZ cricket board officials would be charged with criminal offences and jailed. There are severe concequences going against intelligence advice. NZCB had no option here.

The timing was impeccable.

 

[Technics 1210]

I don't understand how some people believe NZC are in the wrong for NOT disregarding what government and security agencies are saying and sending players potentially to their deaths. Mind numbingly idiotic thinking from emotional Pakistani fans.

Didn’t stop the Kiwis from playing in India 2010 when 2 bombs actually went off during the IPL.

 

[Aman]

Didn’t stop the Kiwis from playing in India 2010 when 2 bombs actually went off during the IPL.

This didn't concern NZC, the players accepted those risks and continued. Likewise Kiwi players have played in the PSL.

 

[Gilly]

The timing was impeccable.

The timing had nothing to do with NZCB, the advice came from security, NZCB would pull the players out in the middle of an over if they got the information at that time.

 

[reversehook]

any cheers for the icc on being a dead silent spectator as always... icc has to be the worst sporting body, pathetic ... PCB should pull out of the wc last minute too, just b4 the toss against ind match, i would like to see the reactions then...

 

[mastimasti]

I don't understand how some people believe NZC are in the wrong for NOT disregarding what government and security agencies are saying and sending players potentially to their deaths. Mind numbingly idiotic thinking from emotional Pakistani fans.

It's like a commander sending his troops into battle despite being informed that they may walking into an enemy trap.

But what exactly has been said? The NZ government has not necessarily stated that there is a specific threat, just that they have changed their threat level for the whole of Pakistan. Why have they done that? NZ has, by my estimation, had worse terror attacks in recent times than Pakistan.

Also, according to most factual data, according to the global terror index, Pakistan and India are both rated in the same range (7+). Pakistan actually dropped 2 places in 2020...India stayed the same while having moved up 1 position the year before. According to statica, Pakistan isn't even top 10 ranked whe nit comes to number of terrorism related deaths.

Highly unusual to treat a country which is not in an unique position.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Any specific details about the threat? Probably will be revealed in due course.

 

[Kroll]

The precedence this sets for us to ever host again is disheartening. Chances are we will never again host Eng, Aus, NZ.

The standard that needs to meet is unattainable ..a team can have perfect security for weeks and all it will take is an empty threat minutes before toss to cancel the tour.

Don’t know about Aus, but Eng should be mature enough to make their own decision based on facts.

It seemed like they were more enthusiastic about coming after being backstabbed by India.

But lets wait and see.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Posted the same in another thread. Seems like there was a genuine threat advisory. Can anyone confirm if this is genuine or fake?

https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1438879982873366531

 

[Colorblind Genius]

People dont understand the ramifications on the NZ cricket board in these issues.

If they were to proceed with the match/tour after being informed of a threat and any player/official did get inured/killed in an attack the NZ cricket board officials would be charged with criminal offences and jailed. There are severe concequences going against intelligence advice. NZCB had no option here.

...which is all fine.
But do you think it's only fair that Pakistani intelligence agencies have a right to know the details of this threat to join forces against terrorist threats?
Doesnt NZ govt owe it to Pakistan to fully share the details of this threat so that it could be taken care of for any future teams visiting Pakistan?

Otherwise, Pakistan could do the same with a future trip to NZ.
Land in NZ and a few minutes before the game, they can start packing their bags to head back home because the Pak govt has received a security alert in NZ?

I've been supportive of Jacinda's govt and I hope they show some integrity to cooperate with Pak govt and join forces to fight against such elements by sharing the full detail of this threat,

 

[Yk313]

I would like to share your optimism, I really do but I feel this is only the beginning of another dark decade for Pakistan and their cricket unless the Afghan Taliban can somehow be kept out of power. Whatever is going on in Afghanistan, it is spilling over to Pakistan.

Bombings are starting to remerge again, whilst it's low in numbers at present, I don't think we have it under control. This is the problem when you have a country that has a soft/sympathetic stance towards the likes of TTP, Afghan Taliban, TLP and etc.

I don't think they can be kept out of power sadly. Either PAK will have to take up the mantle and fight a full-fledged war or find a way to keep them quiet without a war.

I agree with the continued rise, although from a small base value, in the security instances. Let's see. I don't have any expectations from T to keep to their initial posturing and PR about maintaining a domestic only focus, once they consolidate power. The safest option for PAK will be if they (T) continue to remain fixated on local problems and do not look to spread their reign to PAK.

 

[street cricketer]

possibly yes, but why?

And while we are at speculations, India is currently THE ONLY country that has malicious and heinous intentions against Pakistan and int'l cricket happening in Pakistan.

No other country gets anything out if it except India.

ECB has been supportive of PCB in the past at quite a few incidents, and NZ cricket also has a decent governing body. There is quite less likely of a chance that NZ and ECB are stooping down to these cheap third class stunts that suit a lot more with BJP/Indian style of work.

Pakistan has won a decisive strategic victory in Afghanistan with the Taliban regime getting to power and Indian presence literally wiped out of Afghanistan. With Ghani out of the country and the Afghan army literally getting dissolved, the NDS has become a non entity now. So any incident or even a threat that happens in Pakistan has to do with Pakistan's own fault lines and I'm afraid blaming India continuously for Pakistan's internal issues increasingly sounds like a convenient excuse. It's like India blaming Pakistan for Naxal attacks in the country.

 

[Technics 1210]

The timing had nothing to do with NZCB, the advice came from security, NZCB would pull the players out in the middle of an over if they got the information at that time.

The same security that cleared the tour on grounds of security?

As I said the timing of this threat was impeccable.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Pakistan has won a decisive strategic victory in Afghanistan with the Taliban regime getting to power and Indian presence literally wiped out of Afghanistan. With Ghani out of the country and the Afghan army literally getting dissolved, the NDS has become a non entity now. So any incident or even a threat that happens in Pakistan has to do with Pakistan's own fault lines and I'm afraid blaming India continuously for Pakistan's internal issues increasingly sounds like a convenient excuse. It's like India blaming Pakistan for Naxal attacks in the country.

Again, think about it.

If Pakistan govt and it's army and it's intelligence agencies helped place a friendly Talibani govt in Afghanistan (including joint operations in Pansher - as per Indian media) then there is the least possible amount of security threat to Pakistan from Talibans,.

Tell me why would Taliban pose any threat to attacking NZ team and jeopardize their friendly relations with Pak govt, Pak army and Pak's ISI?


As you said, India is the only one hurt, and hurt badly, by the developments in Afghanistan, so naturally, India is the only one who would try to pose threat to the security situation inside Pakistan. Isn't this basic common sense?

Or you are telling me that Pakistan helped Taliban and now Taliban were planning to attack the NZ team in Pakistan to return the favor?

 

[street cricketer]

Again, think about it.

If Pakistan govt and it's army and it's intelligence agencies helped place a friendly Talibani govt in Afghanistan (including joint operations in Pansher - as per Indian media) then there is the least possible amount of security threat to Pakistan from Talibans,.

Tell me why would Taliban pose any threat to attacking NZ team and jeopardize their friendly relations with Pak govt, Pak army and Pak's ISI?


As you said, India is the only one hurt, and hurt badly, by the developments in Afghanistan, so naturally, India is the only one who would try to pose threat to the security situation inside Pakistan. Isn't this basic common sense?

Or you are telling me that Pakistan helped Taliban and now Taliban were planning to attack the NZ team in Pakistan to return the favor?

Come on.. Stop playing naive and acting like the Afghan Taliban and TTP are the same entities.

 

[Tubs]

So apparently it was a threat on the NZ players, saying they'd be attacked after they left the hotel? I feel as if that could have been anyone making the threat. I can't remember where I heard this source, perhaps this is common knowledge now, but if that was the only report, then I feel that it was abandoned a little too early.

 

[sharmaji]

Lot of blame going towards India. Youtube is buzzing with conspiracies. I can understand, emotions are high, NZ pulled a **** move. I hope that India had nothing to do with this debacle.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Apparently NZCB informed the PCB that they will not be continuing on with the tour when the bus was waiting for an extended period of time for the NZ players, and PCB had to send their officials to their rooms to check what were they up to.

Unprofessional nonsense from a small time cricket board.

Cancelling the tour on security concern is their right, but cancelling it unilaterally is dumb and reeks of childish behaviour.

 

[Thephenom]

It’s a load of ********! It’s about time Pakistan sued the ICC for all the billions that we’ve lost over the past 15 years, these people are cowards pure and simple!

 

[Mesozoic]

As you said, India is the only one hurt, and hurt badly, by the developments in Afghanistan, so naturally, India is the only one who would try to pose threat to the security situation inside Pakistan. Isn't this basic common sense?

US, UK and the whole Western bloc shakes head in disagreement.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Come on.. Stop playing naive and acting like the Afghan Taliban and TTP are the same entities.

I know we both don't know the truth and we are only speculating based on our logic and historical events.

So u r speculating that TTP posed a threat to NZ? The same TTP who was given a full amnesty by the PM as a long as they don't carry arms against Pakistani interest? And this TTP is backed and supported up by who? Afghani Talibans?

 

[street cricketer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">hi new Zealand might b we as a Pakistani will forgive u because we are a loving nation but this act will bite u in future for sure.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKISTANZINDABAD?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKISTANZINDABAD</a></p>— Mohammad Amir (@iamamirofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamamirofficial/status/1438881058704044034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well...

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

any cheers for the icc on being a dead silent spectator as always... icc has to be the worst sporting body, pathetic ... PCB should pull out of the wc last minute too, just b4 the toss against ind match, i would like to see the reactions then...

They should do this 100% I am sick of them all making money off us during tournaments and leave high and dry at all other times.

Pull out of the India match just before the toss citing security risks.

 

[kingusama92]

Abandoning the tour is one thing, but making the decision without speaking to the PCB is a complete disgrace.

No one can back up that kind of unprofessionalism.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I hate cricket, I hate life. I nearly cried on reading this news. Just screw everything.

 

[RyanRyan10]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">hi new Zealand might b we as a Pakistani will forgive u because we are a loving nation but this act will bite u in future for sure.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKISTANZINDABAD?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKISTANZINDABAD</a></p>— Mohammad Amir (@iamamirofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamamirofficial/status/1438881058704044034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well...

And which act is biting Pakistan at present?

 

[Zaz]

I don't understand how some people believe NZC are in the wrong for NOT disregarding what government and security agencies are saying and sending players potentially to their deaths. Mind numbingly idiotic thinking from emotional Pakistani fans.

It's like a commander sending his troops into battle despite being informed that they may walking into an enemy trap.

Its not the fact they left but the fact that they have done so unilaterally and kept the pakistan govt - the hosts and stakeholders out Theyve not treated them as equal partners in this process which is very very disrespectful

The least that shouldve been done as a matter of courtesy is for them to let the pakistan govt know what the hell is going on so that they could deal with the potential threat and then together sat down n come to a joint decision to withdraw and cancel the tour

The way it has been done is seriously poor and totally undermines and disrespects the country and the hosts not treating them as equals

 

[Devadwal]

Threat advisory issued regarding Pak vs NZ on Monday

 

[RyanRyan10]

View attachment 111822

Threat advisory issued regarding Pak vs NZ on Monday

This will be intentionally ignored by posters here. Blaming India is an easy thing to do.

 

[street cricketer]

I know we both don't know the truth and we are only speculating based on our logic and historical events.

So u r speculating that TTP posed a threat to NZ? The same TTP who was given a full amnesty by the PM as a long as they don't carry arms against Pakistani interest?

The latest news is that TTP rejected the amnesty and apparently they don't recognise the "anti-islamic infidel democratic constitution" of Pakistan. They are also apparently ready to forgive the Pakistani security forces if they implement shariah in the country. These blokes seem to be on a mission inspired by their cousins in Afghanistan.

And this TTP is backed and supported up by who? Afghani Talibans?

Who supported the Afghan Taliban for them to overthrow the Afghan government and a military and even the western superpowers? If your answer is that it's an indigenous movement without any external support, why is that the TTP can't be a similar indigenous organisation without the external support. Afterall it's not like the TTP is toppling governments and superpowers like the Afghan Taliban.

 

[Mamoon]

Let’s say India is behind this. What are we going to do about it other than “show eyes”, thump our chests and make angry tweets?

 

[rockyboy2018]

Let’s say India is behind this. What are we going to do about it other than “show eyes”, thump our chests and make angry tweets?

Pakistan should boycott the world cup twenty20. No more participation. It is not about cricket. NZ pulling out immediately without giving any logical reasons has really damaged the image of Pakistan. Now no tourists will visit Pakistan. It is not like terrorist attacks never happened in NZ/USA/UK/Spain?France etc. All developed countries.

 

[saeedhk]

It’s a load of ********! It’s about time Pakistan sued the ICC for all the billions that we’ve lost over the past 15 years, these people are cowards pure and simple!

ICC is not responsible for lack of cricket in Pakistan; militants are. We need to fix our house instead of blaming others for our own failures.

 

[saeedhk]

Off course you would, and did we expect anything else from the Hindutuva.

Pakistan is not safe. There have been at least three terror attacks in the last two weeks alone.

 

[Titan24]

View attachment 111822

Threat advisory issued regarding Pak vs NZ on Monday

A random doc without any credibility as well as anyone's understanding of what it contains should be considered as a proof of what?

 

[Babeikh]

A few thoughts...

Am not going to attack the Kiwis

This is very sad for Pakistan cricket because a lot of hard work has gone into bringing international cricket back and things were looking positive with NZ here now, England to follow and potentially Australia soon after. That has now fallen apart.

I hope NZ will share whatever threat it was so that we can look at it and our security services can take action. If they refuse to share then we cannot do anything and that calls into question their sincerity.

I do find it odd. I mean they have been in the country for a week, travelling to and from the hotel, training at the stadium etc. What has suddenly happened this morning to cause this? I don't have any inside info but my guess is that there was some kind of threat, obviously not credible but they just got spooked and weren't going to take any chances. I'd hope their first world intelligence agency would be able to tell what is credible and what is not but perhaps they were just waiting for an excuse.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The latest news is that TTP rejected the amnesty and apparently they don't recognise the "anti-islamic infidel democratic constitution" of Pakistan. They are also apparently ready to forgive the Pakistani security forces if they implement shariah in the country. These blokes seem to be on a mission inspired by their cousins in Afghanistan.




Who supported the Afghan Taliban for them to overthrow the Afghan government and a military and even the western superpowers? If your answer is that it's an indigenous movement without any external support, why is that the TTP can't be a similar indigenous organisation without the external support. Afterall it's not like the TTP is toppling governments and superpowers like the Afghan Taliban.

So you are saying TTP is supported by external forces just like Talibans were supported by external forces?

 

[Babeikh]

A random doc without any credibility as well as anyone's understanding of what it contains should be considered as a proof of what?

lol I saw this on twitter. It doesn't even say anything. It looks like a standard protocol document in any case.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Pakistan is not safe. There have been at least three terror attacks in the last two weeks alone.

Innocent Chinese engineers were also killed just a month ago.

 

[street cricketer]

There's a proverb in my language which roughly translates to english as "Even if you can't help someone, at least don't harm him".

Can't help but think this series cancellation has harmed cricket in Pakistan. Purely from a cricketing perspective, it was a pointless series really. From what I gather, the series didn't have DRS and wasn't even going to be a part of the ICC super league ODI fixtures. Technically speaking, it would have probably been better for Pakistan if this series hadn't been scheduled and NZ had not arrived in the country instead of arriving in the country, training, posing with the trophy and abandoning in the last moment, citing a terror threat of all reasons. Even a covid threat reason wouldn't be as bad.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I don't understand how some people believe NZC are in the wrong for NOT disregarding what government and security agencies are saying and sending players potentially to their deaths. Mind numbingly idiotic thinking from emotional Pakistani fans.

It's like a commander sending his troops into battle despite being informed that they may walking into an enemy trap.

There were better ways to deal with this.

The way New Zealand chose deliberately put an end to a lot of potential international cricket fixtures in Pakistan, so we have every right to call out your stupid, incumbent board for their lack of consultation with the decision they made.

Is anyone here blaming New Zealand for not touring? No.

It could have been handled much better. There were ways to do this without striking fear into the rest of the world that Pakistan is unsafe.

Both parties could have mutually agreed to postpone the tour given regional tensions, and that would have been a much better result. By pulling out spontaneously, New Zealand has given the impression that their lives were in danger and that they were being held at gunpoint and miraculously escaped Pakistan.

As a New Zealander, you may not understand but the way things are done matters a lot.

I respect that New Zealand Cricket is following the decision of the government, but please, try and understand that the idiocy of NZC may have cost a lot of international cricket in Pakistan. That is something you cannot expect Pakistani fans to forgive, so yes, a lot of us are angry because NZC has squandered the chances of us seeing free-flowing international cricket happening in Pakistan.

Like I said, there are better ways of handling such situations. New Zealand picked the option that would harm Pakistan the most, and I will not forgive them for this, especially since they had the option to inform the PCB and devise a proper statement to give the public instead of heaping this issue of security threats at the PCB.

Highly unprofessional and stupid.

Let's see the severity of this threat as well, even though I still maintain my stance that there were much better ways of handling this.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

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Threat advisory issued regarding Pak vs NZ on Monday

When did Pakistani govt officials start writing in English? Urdu is their official language and I believe most of the written communication is shared in urdu especially in Govt offices.

 

[JaDed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earlier today, the New Zealand cricket board informed us that they had been alerted to some security alert and have unilaterally decided to postpone the series.<br><br>PCB and Govt of Pakistan made fool proof security arrangements for all visiting teams. 1/4</p>— Pakistan Cricket (@TheRealPCB) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB/status/1438799448767881217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I’m sorry but is “Fool” an intended pun here?

 

[Zaz]

Its the fact that they have took this unilaterally leaving the hosts embarrassed and upset

At least make them a part of the decision by sitting down with them Never mind what damage this has done to future tours this has treated the hosts with disdain

 

[street cricketer]

So you are saying TTP is supported by external forces just like Talibans were supported by external forces?

I don't know a great deal of information about them tbh. But I keep reading here that the Taliban in Afghanistan is an indigenous movement headed by their own people without any external support.

So I suppose it's not outlandish to think the TTP might be having similar indigenous origins without external support.

 

[maint12345]

You do realize that Pakistan ministers have been openly celebrating the defeat of the western powers in Afghanistan.
Your PM has called it afghans breaking shackles.
Just blaming India in a knee jerk manner is not correct. Not saying that Indians wont be enjoying this embarrassment for Pakistan but seeing our hand behind this is farfetched.

 

[KingKhanWC]

IMO

NZ were given false information by those who are still crying the Taliban won. It could be our neighours on the East, Aussies or the Brits. NZ has little choice, its a small nation with no real army, no real political power, they need to keep their friends and probably believe the info given to them is genuine.

However for them to make this decision without agreement with Pakistan is pathetic. Pakistan is the safest nation to play cricket on Earth NOW because nowhere else are teams in any sport given such security and protection.

Pakistan cant do much atm but can cut short any future tours to NZ and not allow their players to play PSL but this isnt a good move imo.

Overall, no real loss over a few LOI matches.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

You do realize that Pakistan ministers have been openly celebrating the defeat of the western powers in Afghanistan.
Your PM has called it afghans breaking shackles.
Just blaming India in a knee jerk manner is not correct. Not saying that Indians wont be enjoying this embarrassment for Pakistan but seeing our hand behind this is farfetched.

Pakistan has been helping with the evacuations. I think you should stop watching Indian fake news.