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If the World Cup has pitches like these , is it possible to beat them? Mind you this is not even a particularly strong team. When the likes of buttler, Rashid ,wood and archer make the XI, they look ready to steamroll any and every opposition. Is this England's world cup to lose?
 
I honestly don't think England will win it. Teams like Aus, NZ and South Africa will have bowlers who will take key wickets when the pressure is on. India too for that matter, I don't follow their cricket much but Bumrah would be a lot harder to clout than this Pakistan line up.
 
England will bottle it. Other teams are not as dumb as us.

It will either be India or Australia.
 
Good bowling sides will expose their batting , pakistan is just poor poor bowling side.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I honestly don't think England will win it. Teams like Aus, NZ and South Africa will have bowlers who will take key wickets when the pressure is on. India too for that matter, I don't follow their cricket much but Bumrah would be a lot harder to clout than this Pakistan line up.
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Except that England have , atleast at home, beaten all of those sides in the last 4 years in ODI bilaterals. If this world cup were to take place in Australia, India or even in SA I wouldn't have considered them unbeatable.
 
There would need to be a slow pitch or something for the bowlers to stop them. I think India with Kuldeep and Bumrah have the best chance.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Except that England have , atleast at home, beaten all of those sides in the last 4 years in ODI bilaterals. If this world cup were to take place in Australia, India or even in SA I wouldn't have considered them unbeatable.
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England always do well in bilateral series but their record in world cups suggests a mental block. I would consider them one of the favourites, but unbeatable? I don't think so. If they were playing India or Australia in a semi final I would be very nervous of their prospects.
 
They will have to pick up their bowling. Their batting is incredible but you can’t expect them to score 350+ ever game. Their is too much burden on them.

If they continue to bowl like this, one misstep against India or Australia and they are gone. However, I back their bowling led by Archer to come good so if I were a betting man, I would bet on them to go all the way this time.
 
Probably not in the group stages, maybe the pressure of the knockout matches could get to them but I dunno if it'd be enough. The only way to beat them is to have something in the pitch or reverse from these low quality balls falling apart quickly
 
England only lose the world cup down to mental frailty and not their lack of skill and experience.
 
I could see India's spinners causing real problems for England. that could be an X factor that makes the difference.
 
England V India and England V Australia are two matches I’m looking forward to. I wanna see how India fare on a pancake like this.
 
Only spinners can perhaps curb their scoring rate.... knowing this Inzi the revolutionary selected Imad and Shah as the two spinners for this series. Mashallah.
 
I don’t think they’ll win it.
They’re now used to pancakes and it only takes one wicket which is slightly slower or has something in it and they could still collapse like a deck of cards...

Also they could have peaked too soon..
 
Aus can stop them. Starc, Cummins, Lyon etc will be hard to hit for them. But I still see England scoring in excess of 300. Aus batting is what matters.
 
Just seen it too many times before, England teams hyped up like no tomorrow, then when the big game comes around they choke. World cup knockout stages bring a totally different pressure.
 
Scotland and the West Indies have beaten them in recent times. They're not unbeatable and might not even make the finals.
 
English team is very similar to Pakistan team in terms of consistency. On a given day, they would look unbeatable and the very next week they will be beaten by Bangladesh/West Indies.
 
troodon said:
Aus can stop them. Starc, Cummins, Lyon etc will be hard to hit for them. But I still see England scoring in excess of 300. Aus batting is what matters.
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England v Australia, Champions Trophy 2017. Hazlewood and Starc ran through the top three, before Stokes and Morgan proceeded to bash the living daylights out of a very strong bowling attack.

England on these flat wickets are absolute beasts. Possibly Rabada or someone like Kuldeep on top form can contain this juggernaut.
 
Eng has the best batting without a doubt then again Pak has one of the worst bowling attacks. I wouldn't read too much into these results. On paper only India and Aus has the bowling to counter their batters.
 
Even Pakistan will beat this team If there is some turn, or something in the wicket for bowlers
 
Hyperion66 said:
Eng has the best batting without a doubt then again Pak has one of the worst bowling attacks. I wouldn't read too much into these results. On paper only India and Aus has the bowling to counter their batters.
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Did u see aus last year in England or did u miss that?
 
Mark my word they won't be able to perform in front of team like India and South Africa. They both have quality bowling department. Pakistan bowling is and will be awful in WC.
 
Give them a low and slow track and they'll fall like a stack of cards.
 
England are not too different to South Africa, choke under pressure in the big games. While Pakistan, Windies often lift their games and thrive under pressure.

Will defo make the semis but I would 100% back Pakistan in the final if they are up against England.
 
GrandMaster said:
English team is very similar to Pakistan team in terms of consistency. On a given day, they would look unbeatable and the very next week they will be beaten by Bangladesh/West Indies.
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Pakistan is consistently bad so no comparison.
 
This time i don't think they will choke. They have mentally prepared them self to be strong enough to lift the trophy.
 
Their batting can be troubled with spin and India has decent spinners, other than that Australian batting on their day might be able to match them.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Give them a low and slow track and they'll fall like a stack of cards.
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Why would they go against their strength, ICC will not prepare any pitches which may contradict in pitch preparation. Unless weather is bad and moisture on the pitch and movement in the air.
 
shaz72 said:
This time i don't think they will choke. They have mentally prepared them self to be strong enough to lift the trophy.
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Maybd try to prepare short boundaries and fresh tracks as often as possible. The mental block will not change with this England team which is why their tactic is to bat the othe team out of the match.

England have only won 1 ICC trophy the 2020 cup and only because Hussey smashed Ajmal otherwise Pak were strong favourites to take the title.
 
The last time Eng lost chasing at home was in 2015 against aus. The bowling was bad but England's batting is just too good tbh
 
shaz72 said:
Why would they go against their strength, ICC will not prepare any pitches which may contradict in pitch preparation. Unless weather is bad and moisture on the pitch and movement in the air.
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Just saying what type of pitches eng will find hard.
 
Titan24 said:
Their batting can be troubled with spin and India has decent spinners, other than that Australian batting on their day might be able to match them.
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I have a feeling Indian spinners will be neutralised on this pitches. You will hardly see any spin, unless they wary their speed. I don't think Yadev can do that but chahal may do it. Furthermore, most of English batsmen have recently played well in IPL and faced same bowlers. Only advantage India might have will be strength in their batting and mantle toughness.
 
Mamoon said:
They will have to pick up their bowling. Their batting is incredible but you can’t expect them to score 350+ ever game. Their is too much burden on them.

If they continue to bowl like this, one misstep against India or Australia and they are gone. However, I back their bowling led by Archer to come good so if I were a betting man, I would bet on them to go all the way this time.
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Jofra and Wood playing together would strengthen bowling attack. It will be a very complete team with 6 bowling options. England are only trying to find the 3rd seamer to partner with these two.

Many of these england batsmen play a lot in IPL, don't think spin will be a problem.
 
Abdullah said:
Hyperion66 said:
Eng has the best batting without a doubt then again Pak has one of the worst bowling attacks. I wouldn't read too much into these results. On paper only India and Aus has the bowling to counter their batters.
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Did u see aus last year in England or did u miss that?
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That Australian team didn't have Warner/Smith/Starc/Cummings/Hazlewood/Nathan Coulter-Nile. One game they won by 1 wicket. The other by 3 wickets. Another by 6 wickets and 38 runs and 200+ runs.
 
BD-fan said:
That Australian team didn't have Warner/Smith/Starc/Cummings/Hazlewood/Nathan Coulter-Nile. One game they won by 1 wicket. The other by 3 wickets. Another by 6 wickets and 38 runs and 200+ runs.
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warner and smith were in the team when eng beat aus 4-1. What about that?
 
shah_1 said:
Jofra and Wood playing together would strengthen bowling attack. It will be a very complete team with 6 bowling options. England are only trying to find the 3rd seamer to partner with these two.

Many of these england batsmen play a lot in IPL, don't think spin will be a problem.
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They're looking for a 3rd seamer to partner Woakes and Archer, not Wood and Archer. Personally I'd go for Curran.
 
England will cruise to the semi and score probably 400 more than once.

However I wouldn't back them against India in the semi or final as the crowd will be against them and India revel in pressure moments.

If that extra pressure wasn't there they would swat away a team like India
 
Relax - it's Pakistan that they are bashing:19: Just about a couple of months back, Poms drew an ODI series with WIN 2-2.

I think, ENG is a tremendous ODI side - should win most games by any equation. But, big KOs are not won on fields only, therefore it's premature and a bit over statement that if anyone can stop them. If they are to win the WC, they'll need to win a SF & Final .... and IND/AUS will cut their path, might be NZ as well - but yes, among top favorites definitely.
 
If Pak had the brains to have hasnain, umer khan and haris rauf in the eleven, even we could have stopped england.
 
England New Zealand and South Africa have all shown themselves to have problems in knockout matches.
Such things are uncanny how history tends to repeat itself they will have to break the shackles because in a knockout game Pakistan or any other team would have every chance to beat them.
If England or the other 2 teams mentioned above are to win it they will have to overcome mental obstacles because in a one off match the top 8 teams are capable of beating each other.
 
shah_1 said:
Woakes was smashed by West Indies batsmen. It was only Mark Wood that stood out from England in that series. Pace is pace on flat tracks. Morgan said in the post match interview that Wood is recovering so he isn't sidelined.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=12639;type=series
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1 series hasn't suddenly made Wood overtake Woakes who's been Englands best bowler since the last World Cup and one of the best allrounders in the world. Wood has been fit and available all series. He's been participating in warm-ups, running around carrying drinks and was announced in the XI for multiple one-day cup games prior to it (although unfortunately didn't actually get a bowl due to the weather). Woakes (and you'd assume Archer unless he really screws up prior to the World Cup) are the only nailed on frontline pacers.
 
HitWicket said:
1 series hasn't suddenly made Wood overtake Woakes who's been Englands best bowler since the last World Cup and one of the best allrounders in the world. Wood has been fit and available all series. He's been participating in warm-ups, running around carrying drinks and was announced in the XI for multiple one-day cup games prior to it (although unfortunately didn't actually get a bowl due to the weather). Woakes (and you'd assume Archer unless he really screws up prior to the World Cup) are the only nailed on frontline pacers.
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Mark Wood is in demand since the 3rd test against WI. He is a wicket taking option.

Non sense of playing a medium pacer ahead of him on flat tracks. Woakes might play but Wood and Archer are must if tracks are like similar to last two ODIs
 
HitWicket said:
1 series hasn't suddenly made Wood overtake Woakes who's been Englands best bowler since the last World Cup and one of the best allrounders in the world. Wood has been fit and available all series. He's been participating in warm-ups, running around carrying drinks and was announced in the XI for multiple one-day cup games prior to it (although unfortunately didn't actually get a bowl due to the weather). Woakes (and you'd assume Archer unless he really screws up prior to the World Cup) are the only nailed on frontline pacers.
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Wood is injury prone

He is being protected for the World cup, seems like you don't get it. Why does't Starc play all the ODI matches? Its basically to protect Starc from getting injured before an important test series or WC
 
Once they get a pitch that offers assistance to bowlers their batting will struggle to score.

They'll find a pitch on a crucial game. Like they did vs Pakistan in CT17 - Semi Final
 
I hope England makes a turning pitch next remaining matches against Pak for match practice. Sun will make it drier in couple of weeks. Let's not forget Ali and Rashid are there.
 
Indian bowling attack due to its variety is the only one which can challenge England’s tremendous batting unit.
 
Waise, no matter how much we whine about unfair playing conditions, these lads are fun to watch.
 
India, Aus and SA have the quality bowling lineups to trouble England.
But truly nobody can muzzle England. They are like a runaway train without brakes. Can only crash and burn but can't slow down
 
Morgan chuffed with England's progress ahead of World Cup

England's latest triumph saw them pull off an unreal chase of 359 in under 45 overs, propelled by a belligerent 93-ball 128 from wicket-keeper batsman Jonny Bairstow. It was England's second highest successful run-chase, and with the premier tournament starting in just over two weeks, Morgan was happy with the state of affairs.

"When guys perform like this, it builds confidence within the changing room," he said. "With regards to looking ahead, that is a really positive thing for our group."

The skipper also hinted that there could be more changes and rotations in the last two ODIs, now that the series has already been won. "Hopefully, we’ll see Mark Wood - his preparations have been really good," he said.

"There will be more opportunity for Joe [Denly], hopefully, in the next two games. Being such a small ground, we only tend to play one spinner here - obviously, Moeen played as well, and we had the luxury of having Joe as the allrounder. So it’s unfortunate that he only bowled one over, but I think he’ll have a chance again in, hopefully, one of the next two games."

Bairstow, the architect of England's win, credited the Indian Premier League with helping him grow as a batsman. Baristow played for the first time in the league this season, and was one of the lynchpins of Sunrisers Hyderabad, forming a prolific opening partnership with David Warner. He finished as Hyderabad's second-highest run-scorer, despite playing in only 10 of the 15 games.

"I genuinely loved it, being over there. You are able to learn different things from different coaches and different players that are quality within their own right," he said. "So if you’re able to keep learning from them, as well as the guys over here, then that can only be a good thing. And playing under that pressure and expectation, hopefully, can only help."

It was Bairstow's 159-run opening stand with Jason Roy that set the tone for the stunning chase. He and Roy have now struck 1675 runs opening the innings, at an average of 64.42, making theirs the most successful opening partnership for England in ODIs ever, going past Alastair Cook and Ian Bell's tally of 1580.

"To knock 360 off with five overs left is really pleasing for us as a group,” he said. "You want to be going on and getting 160 or 170, and potentially 200 and seeing your team through. That’s where we’re at as a group of players at the moment, having competition to go and get the 150s and 160s, and beyond."

https://www.cricketworldcup.com/news/1220738
 
MMHS said:
Relax - it's Pakistan that they are bashing:19: Just about a couple of months back, Poms drew an ODI series with WIN 2-2.

I think, ENG is a tremendous ODI side - should win most games by any equation. But, big KOs are not won on fields only, therefore it's premature and a bit over statement that if anyone can stop them. If they are to win the WC, they'll need to win a SF & Final .... and IND/AUS will cut their path, might be NZ as well - but yes, among top favorites definitely.
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That was in WI, not in England. England have won every bilateral series at homr for 2-3 years now, even Yadav's mystery ccould win India only 1 game, the 3rd game England won scoring 260/2 which is similar to what they're doing against Pakistan tbh
 
They will reach finals but lose to either Pakistan, India or Australia.
 
Every team has a chance in this WC. Not only England. I fear West Indies more than any one else. I dont know what Gayle, Pollard, Andre Russel, and their young batsman can do. Even their 11th batsman can easily hit sixes on these grounds...

India is obviously favorites along with England at the moment.

We can also see 500+ scores in some games (and 250+ individual scores...) at the start. But as the world cup progresses, and pitches start wearing off.. bowlers might have some respite. Otherwise no chances for any type of bowlers be it spinner, medium pacer, or express fast..
 
Adijazz1706 said:
That was in WI, not in England. England have won every bilateral series at homr for 2-3 years now, even Yadav's mystery ccould win India only 1 game, the 3rd game England won scoring 260/2 which is similar to what they're doing against Pakistan tbh
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Kuldeep dominated them from the 1st t20 till 2nd ODI along with chahal.
Also India was without the services of Bumrah and Bhuvi, and Shami wasn't even in the squad who was recovering from injury and family issues
Only in the last match a half-fit Bhuvi was forced into playing 11 due to which he missed the whole following test series.

India's bowling strength is not onlytheir wrist spinners but also their opening bowlers.
 
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West Indies, again due to their hitting abilities.

Don't think bowlers will too much of a role in this WC, unless its overcast
 
Any top 5 team (Ind/Aus/SA/NZ) can beat England. Rest of the bottom 5 Pakistan, Bangladesh, WI, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan needs miracle to beat them.
 
Shafi said:
Any top 5 team (Ind/Aus/SA/NZ) can beat England. Rest of the bottom 5 Pakistan, Bangladesh, WI, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan needs miracle to beat them.
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Put it this way ..On a scale of 1 to 10 ....(Ind/Aus/SA/NZ) need 7 out of 10 things to go their way to win. For the rest 9 out of 10 things need to go right on that day to beat England
 
Every dropped catch against top 6 English batters will cost at least 30 runs on an average. Drop 3 catches..chase at least 90 runs more.
The team which takes it catches or converts half chances will manage to keep England score in manageable limits.
Other factors will be an exceptional bowling performance might win the day.
An exceptional batting performance may not cut it because the combined capabilities of top 6 batters will most probably negate that effort( example Imams 150 or Zamans 138)
 
Pakistan WILL crush them in WC, laugh all you want but this will happen.:amir3
 
bowl yorkers. nothing but yorkers.
restrict them to less than 350,
their bowlers are trash, if pakistan can score 350+ in consective innings, then their bowlers must be trash
 
A decent bowling attack will definitely trouble them.
They are certainly not invincible by any means.
 
England were favourites to win the champions trophy but they didn't.This English team has very good batting line up but their bowling is not very strong.WC matches are full tension and there is a lot of pressure on players so I won't be surprised if England buckle under the pressure.The English media and their pundits always create a lot of hype about their cricket and football teams.Mind you it will not upset me if England play good cricket and win the world cup.
 
Mp812 said:
Put it this way ..On a scale of 1 to 10 ....(Ind/Aus/SA/NZ) need 7 out of 10 things to go their way to win. For the rest 9 out of 10 things need to go right on that day to beat England
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Same goes with England :) Their batsmen and bowlers need to click on a given day.
 
Mp812 said:
Put it this way ..On a scale of 1 to 10 ....(Ind/Aus/SA/NZ) need 7 out of 10 things to go their way to win. For the rest 9 out of 10 things need to go right on that day to beat England
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Same goes with England :) Their batsmen and bowlers need to click on a given day.
 
South Africa, New Zealand, India and Australia are all capable of defeating them.
 
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