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Can England retain their World Cup title in 2023?

Which is the greater debacle?


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With the kind of bowling unit they have it's uncertain whether they will defend their title.

They may have to heavily rely on their batting if they want to win matches.
 
No, I said it before and again, as soon as I saw their warmup against bamgaldesh I knew they'd get smocked by NZ.

NZ, SA and India are the strongest teams if the tournament this time around. England clearly does not like Indian conditions and Australia is shooting themselves in the foot by playing Smith and labu.

I predict NZ, SA, India and England In the semi's.
 
England Captain Jos Buttler during a pre-match press conference

[Reporter:]

Are you guys pretty keen to get back up and running? Obviously, disappointing result first time, is the best thing for you to get back out on that pitch and have another crack?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, absolutely. That's been good for us, I think, to have a few days. We've had a couple of really good days of preparation yesterday and today. And yeah, everyone's desperate to get out and put in a really good performance.

[Reporter:]

And how would you describe the sort of the feeling in the group? Is there a hunger there to properly get started and sort of sweep that one behind you a bit?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah absolutely, very much looking forward. We know we didn't play as well as we can in the last game and you're always desperate to put that right, both individually and as a team. So, there's plenty of hunger in the group and we're excited to get back on the field.

[Reporter:]

Can I ask you about the field, quite literally? A bit of talk about the outfield, it obviously is a minor concern, we know Jonathan Trott was in here the other day, not too happy with it. From your practices you've had out there, do you have any concerns about it at all?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah a few I think, it's poor in my own opinion. I think any time you're sort of talking about being careful diving or sort of being careful when you're fielding, it sort of goes against everything you want to be as a team. You know you want to dive through our houses to save a run. So that's obviously not ideal, the way the surface is, the outfield. But we won't use it as an excuse, we'll adapt to it. But yeah, certainly if you feel like you're having to hold yourself back, it's not a place you want to be as a team or player, or in a World Cup match.

[Reporter:]

Looking at the Mujeeb incident in particular, do you have concerns that the players could get injured, that there's a problem? You've got players in your team who've had unfortunate things happen to them before.

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, injuries can happen at any time, can't they, on any surface, but I think it's definitely one where you're going to have to be a little bit careful, which isn't what you want to be doing playing for your country. You want to put your body on the line and be trying to save every single run or have confidence in the field. So, it's not as good as it could be or should be, but it's going to be the same for both teams, and the wicket looks fantastic. So, as I said we're hungry to get out there and play well, so we won't be using it as an excuse, we just have to be a bit smart, I think.

[Reporter:]

Ben obviously missed out last time he's had two reasonably long hits out there but maybe looks like he's not quite tracking for match fitness just yet?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, probably unlikely. It's good to see him back in the nets and building back towards full fitness but probably unlikely for tomorrow.

[Reporter:]

Jos could you just tell us a bit about the pitch? Here, historically, I think it's favoured seamers a little bit more. Is that an option for you to change the balance, bring in an extra seamer in for a spinner potentially?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, it's definitely an option. I've played here in the IPL just gone, and there can be some good pace and bounce in the wicket. So certainly, we'll have those discussions and we've got fantastic options within the squad to put out different lineups with a different balance and yeah, certainly something we'll consider.

[Reporter:]

And just with the seamers, are there any concerns about the run-up areas themselves? I saw a couple of players were sort of running over them and testing them out earlier.

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, I think again the same, it's just getting that level of trust. Certainly, guys tearing in and trying to bowl fast, they need that confidence in the run-up so yeah, I think probably take guys a couple of balls probably to get used to it but they are professionals, they'll adapt.

[Reporter:]

You have experience about this stadium and this outfield. How do you see the difference from IPL and now that you have inspected the outfield? The other thing is that Livingstone has also played on the same outfield and on the same pitches. So how will you gain from the experience of earlier matches in this stadium?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yes, the outfield is different to when we played here in the IPL. But yeah, there's a couple of guys who played one or two games here. I think I played in a game about 10 years ago so yeah trying to remember. But we'll adapt and we have those discussions. We're always very proactive with talking in small groups and around sharing experiences, and then obviously all cricket is about adapting on the day.

[Reporter:]

Would the consideration of the outfield, does that play any part in whether or not to play Ben or is it just completely on where he is fitness-wise at the moment?

[Jos Buttler:]

No, just completely on where he is.

[Reporter:]

And I know, you're behind the stumps, but can you just talk a bit about how difficult is it as far as your instincts go when you're fielding? Is it hard to stop yourself? Like do instincts, can they take over basically?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, I think naturally you want to be instinctive in the field. If you see a ball, you want to dive for it. So, it's unique, I think, to be honest. And I know it's going to be the same for both teams, but if you're having to sort of, hold yourself back, you shouldn't have to feel like that, I don't think. So yeah, hopefully, fingers crossed, no one on either side picks up an unfortunate injury.

[Reporter:]

There's been a bit of a thing between Bangladesh and England, whenever it's in the World Cup, we have seen in the past. Are you guys worried about the fact that there is a probable threat from Bangladesh, especially in the World Cup?

[Jos Buttler:]

No, not at all. We've had some excellent games against Bangladesh, a very good team and we respect every team that we play against and in World Cup matches you expect really tough opponents and tough fixtures.

[Reporter:]

So, after the last match, Rahmanullah Gurbaz made one of the observations that this particular wicket is not one for playing cross-batted. He said very vehemently that even though he could have played those shots he was quite frustrated you know that his teammates went for it early on as it's one of those wickets where you need to be a little bit calmer in your approach. Your team being the aggressive approach team that it has been over the years, do you think this poses a challenge to you in the upcoming game against a side that has a lot of slow bowlers?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, that's one individual's take on the wicket. We always go into the game being prepared but with an open mind to react to what comes down, react to the conditions on the day and like I say, encourage guys to be positive. So, we don't go in with too many preconceived ideas about things like that.

[Reporter:]

The other day the pitch sort of played a little slow, which was uncharacteristic for a Dharamshala wicket. So, does that go into your game plan leading into the game? Because usually Dharamshala has been better for the quicker bowlers, but the first game started a little slow?

[Jos Buttler:]

As I said, it's about reacting on the day. I think we can sit here and talk for ages about what might happen or what the wicket might play like. The skill of the game is working that out very quickly as soon as the match starts and playing accordingly.

[Reporter:]

Bangladesh have won their first match in the World Cup and surely, their morale is high. England lost their first match in the World Cup and surely, they are on the down side. Do you think that is not an ideal situation to face Bangladesh in terms of England's perspective?

[Jos Buttler:]
Both teams have only played one match, so we're very confident as a team. We know we can play better than we did in the last game and we look forward to putting in a good performance tomorrow.

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I have a feeling they will bounce back, to secure the 6th spot on the table eventually.
 
England are one of the favourites. Losing to another contender NZ is just a hiccup. they are gonna be back very soon with a thumping win.
 
After losing the first match badly, their confidence would have been shattered. Today's match against Bangladesh is also not an easy one for them considering they have already defeated them 3 times before that and losing today will be a big blow to England's defense campaign.
 
They have a mixed start of the tournament but they certainly have the firepower to go all the way. A thumping win against Bangladesh will surely give them great confidence going in to their next games.
 
Team is a bit soft without Morgan. Only Curran and Stokes can deliver under pressure in a knockout.
 
15 October - Delhi - England Captain Jos Buttler post-match press conference

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, a lot. I'm really disappointed. We’ve come here wanting to put in a really good performance. We got outplayed today. Afghanistan were fully deserving in their victory.

[Reporter:]

Does it feel worse than the New Zealand defeat? Because you were into the tournament, you were up and running last week and then the wheels come off a little bit?

[Jos Buttler:]

It never feels good, you never like losing games of cricket or not performing to the level you want to.

[Reporter:]

And can you put your finger on where you think it went wrong, it didn't start great and you never quite got in front of the game at all?

[Jos Buttler:]

No, we didn't, no we started poorly, first ball of the game I missed one and it sort of set the tone for that first 10 overs, we didn't hit the areas that we wanted to and credit to Gurbaz - as he put us under a lot of pressure, played some good shots, but maybe a few too many easy boundaries in there. And it took us a while to sort of get into the game, as you said, and we came back well, and then maybe let them get a few too many more at the end.

[Reporter:]

We know it's a long tournament and there's time to get back into it, but are you of the mind now that with two defeats from three you're almost into that must-win mindset now?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, it's a big setback obviously. Before the tournament starts you have a different idea of how the first three games would pan out. We've got to show a lot of character, a lot of resilience within the team and most of all a lot of belief. There was a lot of excellent players in there and we haven't played well enough today but we must keep that belief.

[Reporter:]

You've talked about the way in which the team have played rather than necessarily the result. Do you feel as though the team actually played in the style that you wanted them to play and just didn't execute properly or is there an issue there with how you went about it?

[Jos Buttler:]

Look, we always want to play positive and be aggressive and some days you don't play as well as you want to. Though Afghanistan built good pressure on us, maybe the wicket didn't play exactly how we thought it would play and maybe the dew didn't come in as much as we thought as well.

Obviously, our spinners bowled really well there today and Afghanistan have some brilliant spinners so that was always going to be tough but we just didn't manage to get the partnerships going that we wanted.

[Reporter:]

I know it's quite raw at the moment but have you an idea on how you might lift the players from this defeat because it's perhaps one that was unexpected?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, I think everyone will be disappointed in the dressing room and sort of let that sink in but there's a lot of guys who've been through lots in their career in there as well and guys who've come back from tough situations and shown a lot of character and resilience, as I mentioned. And it's a very tight-knit group, so we'll get around each other and pick each other up and dust ourselves down and go again.

[Reporter:]

The cross formats in recent years, England have kind of played some of the best cricket when their backs been to the walls. I think of Ben Stokes saying you know, 2-0 down after Lords was the perfect position for the way the team's played. 2019 and then in Australia as well. Do you look at that? Is that something that you take from it? And does it, I guess, sharpen the focus a little bit?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, I think we've played some good cricket in all scenarios, whether we've been on top and frontrunners and fancied or whether we've had our backs against the wall. You know I think it's a position you find yourselves in, it's not the position you wanted to be in three games ago but the character is excellent as I've mentioned, there'll always be belief and we'll dust ourselves down and go again.

[Reporter:]

Is it too early to say that England's World Cup defence is under threat because you guys are yet to face India, Australia, and South Africa?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah - As I mentioned just before, it's not been the way we wanted to start the competition, but this is the situation we find ourselves in and we're going to have to play some of our best cricket moving forward.

[Reporter:]

And what's the latest update on Ben Stokes' fitness?

[Jos Buttler:]

He wasn't fit for this game but we'll see how he pulls up for the next one.

[Reporter:]

I was going to ask actually about selection what was the thinking about there was no Moeen - is that is that because the pitch didn't play quite as you thought it would and how close was Ben, he looked kind of a bit better in the last couple of days

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, he was close and yeah, the selection was - having watched the first couple of games here obviously India went with the extra seamer as well in their lineup we thought the wicket would play similarly and maybe the dew would come in in the second half. But no, I think whichever line-up we had, we just weren't good enough today and we didn't play well enough and full credit to Afghanistan, they deserve to win.

[Reporter:]

Were you guys sort of surprised how the conditions played out, especially in the second half compared to how it did in the India game just three days ago? Was that something that sort of derailed your chase there? Would you say that?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, it probably wasn't exactly how we thought, but I think we just didn't manage to get the partnerships that we wanted. There was good value for your shots out there. I think as Harry Brooks showed, if you got yourself in, you could score runs and play well. We just didn't manage to chasing that kind of score. We needed a couple of big partnerships to chase it down and obviously it gets easier the more you get in and we just didn't manage to do that as individuals or as a team.

[Reporter:]

The question is regarding Chris Woakes. I mean in three matches till now he hasn't really fired as much with the new ball as you would have liked, so what is your opinion on this?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, he's probably not performed as we know he can but he's a class player, he's been the leader of our attack for a very long time. He's performed extremely well over a long period of time and they're the guys you want in your team and you keep backing them.

[Reporter:]

It’s kind of been two games you defeats where you've sort of not really turned up, it's probably fair to say, rather than losing two close games. Is that worse than if you had have lost two last ball thrillers?

[Jos Buttler:]

I think there's no good way to lose obviously. We're disappointed in the performances we put in and we'll do everything we can to put that right.
 
Well I predicted no, and it’s certainly going that way at the moment.

I don’t think today is the huge shock that some are portraying it as either. Afghanistan have some very handy players and were going to beat a “top” nation at some point. Whereas England in 50 over cricket have been off the boil for a while.

Credit to Afghanistan who played brilliantly.
 
BBC already shared the cricviz data on which ground will be tough for them

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This is not England’s cup

Of they make 4th spot I will be surprised
 
Top 2 between India and SA, the other contenders fighting for 3 and 4.
 
I think I said this before but I'll say it again, England are the walking wounded. Stokes has been on the bench all tournament, why was he brought over just to bat when he can't even do that? Moeen's fingers hasn't healed properly since the Ashes and he isn't good enough at this level anyway and Bairstow looks like he should be challenging for the sumo championship not the cricket world cup.

Add to that the majority of the team is the wrong side of 30 and you have a recipe for disaster.
 
Matthew Mott says Ben Stokes ‘spoke really well’ after shock England loss

England’s head coach Matthew Mott has revealed how the side’s “spiritual leader” Ben Stokes stepped in to rally the dressing room after their shock World Cup defeat by Afghanistan.

Stokes, who came out of one-day retirement to help defend the trophy he did more than anyone to win in 2019, has yet to feature in India after suffering a hip injury on the the eve of the tournament.

But Sunday’s upset in Delhi, where a side whose only previous win on this stage was a narrow one against Scotland eight years ago, led Stokes to address his team-mates during a dressing room debrief.

Test captain Stokes is on track to return in Saturday’s must-win clash against South Africa at Mumbai’s Wankhede Stadium, but has already made his presence felt behind the scenes.

“He’s like the spiritual leader of the group in many ways and he certainly spoke really well after the game the other day,” said Mott.

“He spoke about that need to really assert ourselves, which he’s renowned for. I said ‘I’ve got this’ and just spoke, talked about the plan going forward for the next few days, and then Stokesy came in on the back of that.

“He really reinforced what was a great message, particularly for someone who’s sitting on the bench and has a bit of a different lens on things. I think it went down well, it brought us back to controlling what we can control, really.”

Mott’s own attempt at diagnosing England’s problems saw him suggest that the defending champions were suffering from a lack of self-belief.

Having become the most swaggering side on the planet during their reinvention from also-rans to world champions under Eoin Morgan, England looked uncharacteristically tentative in their losses to New Zealand and Afghanistan.

“You don’t lose your ability overnight but you can lose your confidence,” he said.

“It’s that confidence… puff your chest out, go out there and really take the game on, which this team has been renowned for over a long period of time.

“On reflection we’ve been the reactive team in those two games, so we need to turn that round really quickly.

“That was one of Stokesy’s biggest points – we’re normally the team that dictates terms and gets the other team unsettled, disrupted and for whatever reason we haven’t been able to do that.

“We’ve always been on the back foot, trying to pull things back. What we need to do is dominate those first 15 overs whether we bat first or bowl first in the next game.”

Brendon McCullum, Mott’s red-ball counterpart and joint architect of England’s ‘Bazball’ approach in the Test arena, made an unexpected appearance at the team’s Mumbai hotel on Tuesday after arriving on business.

McCullum memorably said on his appointment last year that he was not interested in the limited-overs job on account of it being too simple in contrast to reviving the Test team, a position Mott suggested may no longer stand.

“I just saw him down in the foyer and he said exactly the opposite!” he joked.

“I said, ‘do you want to do a little swap?’ We had a good chat and good catch up.”

Stokes’ likely return – which is all but certain provided he pulls up well after a thorough workout on Thursday – means Mott must grapple with a thorny selection issue.

Harry Brook has been keeping his spot warm and would ordinarily be expected to drop out, but his fluent 66 was easily England’s best innings against the Afghans and made a strong case for his retention.

Experienced seamer Chris Woakes and all-rounder Sam Curran are both vulnerable after struggling badly for form thus far, but with Stokes currently unavailable to bowl that only muddies the waters.

“It’s still up for debate. We’ll have some really good, robust conversations over the next 24 hours,” Mott said.

“I think we’re going to sit down as a selection group, get the numbers, get some theories out there. We’ll normally get to two or three XIs and then debate it, so all things are on the table at the moment.”

David Willey and Gus Atkinson are waiting if England do decide to cut Woakes after three poor outings in a row, but Mott is not ready to draw an emphatic line under the long-time leader of the attack.

“Over the history of Woakes’ career, he’s come out on top a lot more than he’s missed out,” he said.

“He hasn’t been at his best, and he’s the first to admit it, but he’s got a few credits in the bank.”

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They can retain their 2019 cup and keep it as an antique piece cause they aren't winning odi again for a long time.
 
Very tough for them to be favourites with the current version of Joe Root, Chris Woakes, Ben Stokes (unfit and no bowling)an unproven Harry Brook, useless ODI cricketers like Moeen and Sam Curran etc.
 
With Ben Stokes likely to come into the playing XI, they are likely to win most of their remaining games.
 
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4 matches played, lost 3. Things are not looking good for England to qualify for KO stage. Will they bounce back from this humiliation?
 
Hussain: England keep getting their decisions wrong

England made poor a decision with the toss and with their squad changes against an in-form South Africa which proved to be costly as the defending champions fell to a record 229-run defeat.

England captain Jos Buttler brought in Ben Stokes, David Willey and Gus Atkinson in place of Liam Livingstone, Sam Curran and Chris Woakes, and decided to field in the sweltering heat after winning the toss in Mumbai.

England's reliance on statistics instead of reading the conditions of the pitch on the day led to their defeat, said Sky Sports' pundit and former England captain Nasser Hussain.

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South Africa Reeza Hendricks (85) and Marco Jansen (75no) caused carnage whilst Heinrich Klaasen (109) put on a spectacular performance to post 399-7, the highest total against England in ODI cricket.

"England keep getting their decisions wrong," said Hussain.

"We got the toss and the balance of the side wrong. The three changes in the squad moved England completely away from how they have been playing for years.

"Woakes had had no rhythm and on a flat pitch you leave him out and bring Stokes in, I agree with that decision. What I don't like is the toss decision and reliance on stats.

"The last time both England and South Africa played, they fell short chasing the target, so they need to be careful about what stats they are looking at.

"I think Jos [Buttler] didn't have a great day either because so many of them were struggling. Willey was going down with cramps, Stokes was struggling, Brook and Topley were getting treatment, Rashid was feeling sick. It was a nightmare, he didn't know who to turn to.

"England need to get the decisions they're making off the field right. The quality of performance was not good enough, but get your decision making right off the field.

"I hear a lot about statistics, and Eoin Morgan used statistics, but there was a lot of gut feeling there too. You need to get your decisions right, don't just go to your default settings."

'England look like they have no confidence'

The defending champions collapsed to 68-6 within 12 overs after their top order batters - Bairstow (10), Root (two), Malan (six) and Stokes (five) - fell cheaply at the hands of South Africa's impressive bowlers.

"England look like a side that has no confidence. These three losses will hurt them. It happened in the last World Cup, but you felt it was a side that had confidence and they were playing a style and brand of cricket where they could bounce back.

"England need to now win seven games on the bounce to defend the World Cup, but they don't look like a side that could do that at the moment.

"If they want to win every game from now, they need to get their decision-making right. Just look at what happened to Willey today.

"No matter how much practice you've had in the nets, or how many laps you've done off the ground, playing in this heat and humidity, you need to have proper match overs in your legs, otherwise you'll cramp up.

"These are super fit England cricketers and within 40 minutes you could tell how much they were struggling.

"South Africa really soaked up the pressure and England were dead on their legs. That's when they pounced and were playing really smart cricket. They did it against Australia and Sri Lanka, and now they smashed England.

"I still think England could do it, but they have to get their decision-making right."

The defeat saw England drop down to ninth place on the table, whilst South Africa climbed up to third position. The top four teams will qualify for the World Cup semi-finals.​

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Nasser Hussain:

"England keep getting their decisions wrong"

"We got the toss and the balance of the side wrong. The three changes in the squad moved England completely away from how they have been playing for years."

"Woakes had had no rhythm and on a flat pitch you leave him out and bring Stokes in, I agree with that decision. What I don't like is the toss decision and reliance on stats."

"The last time both England and South Africa played, they fell short chasing the target, so they need to be careful about what stats they are looking at."

"I think Jos [Buttler] didn't have a great day either because so many of them were struggling. Willey was going down with cramps, Stokes was struggling, Brook and Topley were getting treatment, Rashid was feeling sick. It was a nightmare, he didn't know who to turn to."

"England need to get the decisions they're making off the field right. The quality of performance was not good enough, but get your decision making right off the field."

"I hear a lot about statistics, and Eoin Morgan used statistics, but there was a lot of gut feeling there too. You need to get your decisions right, don't just go to your default settings."

"England look like a side that has no confidence. These three losses will hurt them. It happened in the last World Cup, but you felt it was a side that had confidence and they were playing a style and brand of cricket where they could bounce back."

"England need to now win seven games on the bounce to defend the World Cup, but they don't look like a side that could do that at the moment."

"If they want to win every game from now, they need to get their decision-making right. Just look at what happened to Willey today."

"No matter how much practice you've had in the nets, or how many laps you've done off the ground, playing in this heat and humidity, you need to have proper match overs in your legs, otherwise you'll cramp up."

"These are super fit England cricketers and within 40 minutes you could tell how much they were struggling."

"South Africa really soaked up the pressure and England were dead on their legs. That's when they pounced and were playing really smart cricket. They did it against Australia and Sri Lanka, and now they smashed England."

"I still think England could do it, but they have to get their decision-making right."
 
I don’t wanna say too much, but might it just be the case that home conditions matter more in World Cups than we give credit for? England looked unstoppable in England but absolutely useless in India
 
Short answer No

Longer answer, Bothams MIL, Boycotts Granma and Nassers XI have a better chance of lifting the cup than these chaps....
 
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Everyone who was so over the moon about England, this is why I keep telling yall stats don't mean anything in current situations.

This is what happens when you play with a hasbeen team
 
Their arrogance and over confidence is their undoing. They tought all they had to do was turn up and the cup was theirs. Also how can you go to India with only one specialist spinner in Rashid? Where is Rehan Ahmed?

Why did they leave out Ben Ducket who tortured the Pakistani spinners of with his sweeps and reverse sweeps?
 
England’s defence of their ICC Cricket World Cup crown could barely have got off to a worse start.

Reeling from three defeats from their first four games, England know they need a huge turnaround if they are to make it to the semi-finals, with the defending champions sat at the bottom of the table following Afghanistan’s shock win over Pakistan on Monday.

England captain Jos Buttler has come under big pressure, particularly for his decision to bowl first in the heat of Mumbai against South Africa – a decision that contributed to a humbling loss for England. Among Buttler’s number is another player who knows all too well about the struggles of captaining an underperforming team.

Joe Root’s final year in charge of England’s Test team saw his individual efforts with the bat fail to prop up a misfiring XI. And Root has sympathy for Buttler, who he believes is in a similar situation.

“Sometimes as captain you need your players to stand up and perform,” Root said in an interview with Sky Sports. “There’s only so much you can do, you can make all the right decisions, but if the guys aren’t putting in the performances there’s only so much you can do as a leader.“He’s led very well in my opinion over the last little while and since I’ve been back in the white-ball stuff.

"I don’t think there’s any worry there that we’re not getting the most out of Jos as a captain. As players, we’ve got to stand up, do our bit and bring that together as a collective to win games of cricket.”

England’s men are reigning white-ball champions in both ODI and T20 cricket, and have been a dominant force in the past eight years.

Part of that success has been built on the simple premise of making front-foot decisions and always taking an aggressive approach

And Root says that the formula facing England during the current tournament should help them come back to those principles.

“I’ve played in a number of different England teams, good ones and bad ones, and this is one of the best ones,” he said.

“This white-ball team, over an eight-year period now, likes very simple messaging and has responded very well to it.

“We have some very simple messaging in front of us right now: we have to go out and we have to win."

“In some ways it unshackles us and frees us up to go and do what we do. Now we’ve just got to go and do it.”

England’s poor form during the tournament has been largely down to a misfiring bowling attack, which has allowed the likes of New Zealand, Afghanistan, and then South Africa to enjoy dominant phases of play and put huge pressure on an unusually subdued English batting line-up.

But Root says it’s not a case that England lack the talent, rather that they haven’t executed their skills on the day.

"Previous campaigns where we haven't fared well, it's been because we're not a strong enough team and we haven't been able to compete on class, but I don't think that's the case with this group."

"Sometimes there's not just a magic pill you can take overnight and it's perfect," Root added. "You've just got to keep putting in the hard work, keep readying the best you can, and understand there's so much talent in this group and so much ability, we will be able to do that.

"All we can focus on is putting that performance in the next game."

That next game comes against Sri Lanka in Bengaluru on Thursday, with a meeting against tournament hosts India following that in Lucknow on Sunday.

The equation for England is simple. They must win at least four and possibly all five of their remaining matches if they are to reach the knockout stages.

Source: ICC
 
Eoin Morgan: England versus Sri Lanka is not just a game – it’s a battle for redemption

In a disconcerting turn of events, England, the reigning double white-ball champions, have had a dismal start to the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023.

Their latest setback came in the form of Saturday’s humbling defeat against an in-form South African team, which will go down as one of the worst losses in English ODI history.

This turn of events has left the cricketing world stunned and England's prospects hanging by a thread.

The fixture on Thursday, where England square off against Sri Lanka in Bengaluru, is not just another game. It's a make-or-break moment.

With the depth of talent in the squad and memories of the 2019 World Cup triumph still fresh, England should have been far more formidable.

Yet a combination of injuries to Ben Stokes, now Reece Topley, and a few bad days at the office have left them teetering on the precipice of elimination.

One significant blow to England's hopes will be the absence of their key new-ball bowler, with the unfortunate Topley ruled out of the remainder of the tournament.

With Jofra Archer also unavailable to be called up to the squad, the responsibility now falls on the shoulders of Mark Wood, Chris Woakes and David Willey to spearhead the bowling attack.

But it's not just about finding suitable replacements, it's about adapting to the unique challenges that Indian conditions pose.

The challenges for England extend beyond the cricket field. The magnitude of their defeats has undoubtedly taken a toll on the team's morale and confidence.

In such trying times, the spotlight turns to the coach, Matthew Mott, who has only been in charge for 16 months, and the skipper, Jos Buttler.

Their primary task is to rejuvenate the team's belief that they can still clinch the World Cup despite the gloomy start.

One must not forget that England, at their best, possess the firepower to conquer any challenge. But how quickly they can put their recent woes behind them and rediscover their mojo remains the big question.

When they face Sri Lanka, who are a talented yet unpredictable side, they will need to find that balance between resilience and aggression that made them world champions just a few years ago.

Sri Lanka are a team that has had moments of brilliance and they will pose a substantial challenge.

But it is England's internal battles, both in terms of team confidence and selection decisions, that will define their destiny in this World Cup.

Thursday's clash in Bengaluru is not just a game. It's a battle for redemption, a chance for England to prove that they can bounce back from adversity and reaffirm their status as one of the cricketing giants.
 
Proper cornered tiger moment for England guess what they've got the squad to deliver also and Buttler is not dumb like Babar
 
Eoin Morgan: England versus Sri Lanka is not just a game – it’s a battle for redemption


In a disconcerting turn of events, England, the reigning double white-ball champions, have had a dismal start to the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023.

Their latest setback came in the form of Saturday’s humbling defeat against an in-form South African team, which will go down as one of the worst losses in English ODI history.

This turn of events has left the cricketing world stunned and England's prospects hanging by a thread.

The fixture on Thursday, where England square off against Sri Lanka in Bengaluru, is not just another game. It's a make-or-break moment.

With the depth of talent in the squad and memories of the 2019 World Cup triumph still fresh, England should have been far more formidable.

Yet a combination of injuries to Ben Stokes, now Reece Topley, and a few bad days at the office have left them teetering on the precipice of elimination.

One significant blow to England's hopes will be the absence of their key new-ball bowler, with the unfortunate Topley ruled out of the remainder of the tournament.

With Jofra Archer also unavailable to be called up to the squad, the responsibility now falls on the shoulders of Mark Wood, Chris Woakes and David Willey to spearhead the bowling attack.

But it's not just about finding suitable replacements, it's about adapting to the unique challenges that Indian conditions pose.

The challenges for England extend beyond the cricket field. The magnitude of their defeats has undoubtedly taken a toll on the team's morale and confidence.

In such trying times, the spotlight turns to the coach, Matthew Mott, who has only been in charge for 16 months, and the skipper, Jos Buttler.

Their primary task is to rejuvenate the team's belief that they can still clinch the World Cup despite the gloomy start.

One must not forget that England, at their best, possess the firepower to conquer any challenge. But how quickly they can put their recent woes behind them and rediscover their mojo remains the big question.

When they face Sri Lanka, who are a talented yet unpredictable side, they will need to find that balance between resilience and aggression that made them world champions just a few years ago.

Sri Lanka are a team that has had moments of brilliance and they will pose a substantial challenge.

But it is England's internal battles, both in terms of team confidence and selection decisions, that will define their destiny in this World Cup.

Thursday's clash in Bengaluru is not just a game. It's a battle for redemption, a chance for England to prove that they can bounce back from adversity and reaffirm their status as one of the cricketing giants.

Source: ICC
 
Given England's recent and injuries, can they turn things around against an unpredictable Sri Lanka in Bengaluru?
Interesting to see the dynamics of the game change with injuries and team morale, is the pressure of being champions affecting England too much?
 
Cricket World Cup 2023: England still have fight needed to turn campaign around, says Moeen Ali

England play Sri Lanka in Bengaluru on Thursday, knowing they likely have to win all five of their remaining games to reach the semi-finals.

The defending champions have lost three of four games so far, including a record defeat by South Africa.

"If there is one side that will fight from this position and could go on and win it, it is our team," Moeen said.

"You do it by going one game at a time - we have done it before."

In 2019, when England won the World Cup, they had to win their last two group-stage games to progress following defeats in three of their previous outings.

They then beat Australia in the semi-final and New Zealand in the final to clinch the title.

"We have to win," vice-captain Moeen said.

"There is no other choice than putting in a performance to win the game. We have to win every game to stay in this World Cup."

With Reece Topley ruled out of the rest of the tournament with a broken finger, England are guaranteed to make at least one personnel change as they look to belatedly kickstart a floundering campaign.

Moeen, who has not played since the defeat by New Zealand in the tournament opener, is set to be recalled but there are likely to be further tweaks to England's XI.

In the 229-run defeat by South Africa, England moved away from a plan of batting depth provided by their all-rounders, instead picking six frontline batters and David Willey at number seven.

But Topley's injury leaves them short of a new-ball bowler, and his replacement Brydon Carse is unlikely to play having only arrived in India on Wednesday morning, meaning Chris Woakes could return.

Moeen would then come in instead of one of the other pace bowlers, Gus Atkinson or Mark Wood, and bat at number seven, or replace a batter, most likely Harry Brook, and bat six with Woakes and Willey providing further batting depth.

Asked about the change in set-up against South Africa, Moeen said: "Obviously it didn't work.

"I wouldn't be surprised if it changes and we go back to what we've been doing for the last... I don't know how many years."

Moeen has played at Bengaluru's M. Chinnaswamy Stadium seven times in the Indian Premier League, including six times for local side Royal Challengers Bangalore.

It has some of the smallest boundary sizes of any major ground in the world, with Australia hitting 367-9 against Pakistan at the venue earlier in the tournament.

"It is a great wicket," Moeen said.

"Hopefully there will be some runs and sixes and things like that - guys getting in and really taking it on and batting deep, scoring big hundreds to win the games.

"It is really important we start well tomorrow, build on the confidence going in and put a performance in that will give us more confidence going into the rest of the games."

Sri Lanka, coached by former England coach Chris Silverwood, have also struggled in India with three defeats from four.


BBC
 
England (one win, four losses)

Most runs: Dawid Malan (220 runs)
Most wickets: Reece Topley (eight wickets)

Not much has gone right for England thus far with the loss of in-form quick Reece Topley to injury and the absence of Ben Stokes for the first three matches of the campaign putting a dent in their chances for back-to-back titles.

Their sole victory so far in India came against ninth-placed Bangladesh, and their crushing loss to Sri Lanka in Bengaluru means that England’s defence of their 2019 title is all but over.

It would take four straight victories and a big stroke of luck for Jos Buttler’s beleaguered side to make the semi-finals from this position.

Still to play: India (29 October), Australia (4 November), Netherlands (8 November), Pakistan (11 November)

Souce: ICC
 
gone with a whimper!

I didn’t think any of the main sides would be worse than us, but England managed it and that too comfortably. Surely that deserves a trophy
 
What a useless post, par for the course from you.

England are favorites to lift the trophy, only reason they have struggled in ODI cricket is because they have hardly played their first XI in any game recently. Trust them to do better than India, who look a million dollars in bilaterals then proceed to crash and burn in ICC tournaments.
Incredible insight.
 
After the loss against Sri Lanka in ICC World Cup 2023, Nasser Hussain said:

“Back to back, I’ve not seen England play as badly as that. They’ve changed their tactics, they’ve gone back to their all-rounders. They changed the toss, they batted first. So it shows really that tactics are important, the team is important, what you do at the toss is important, but the most important thing in any sport and in cricket in particular, is having players at the top of their game, especially in a World Cup.

“If you walk in that dressing room now and asked them to put their hand on their heart and say, are you in good nick? I reckon maybe one or two could say that. They have all collapsed as a unit and their form has deserted them. Compare that to South Africa and their batting lineup, everyone’s in nick. You look at India and their batting lineup, Rohit, KL Rahul, Virat Kohli, Shubman Gill – all in nick.

“Some of those cricketers on that park today would go in your best ever England white ball XI. It’s just been a bridge too far for most of them.”

“What I don’t like is giving players a cop out,” said Hussain. “And I feel like sometimes we do that in English cricket. When we win the 50-over World Cup and the 20-over World Cup, aren’t they great? We’re brilliant. And when the wheels come of it’s the structure. It’s the structure of English cricket, we’re a disgrace. We play 20-over cricket, we play 100-ball cricket, we don’t play enough 50-over cricket.

“How much 50-over cricket domestically has Virat Kohli played? Or Heinrich Klaasen or anyone out here? They don’t play domestic 50-over cricket, they learn from T20 franchises around the world. That’s what’s made this great side over the last six years, travelling round the world playing T20 franchises. It’s such a lame excuse.

“You’re giving the players a cop out when you blame the structure. The structure that made them world champions, it is exactly the same structure. Yeah, you may have taken the eye off the ball a little bit and not given them enough practice and games going into the tournament. But it was the structure that produced them, so when they mess up, they mess up, not the structure. It’s always county cricket, it’s the Hundred, it’s the Blast – Root had to answer a question on maybe we get rid of the Blast – that’s what’s made our cricketers. County cricket makes the cricketers that we are. Whether it be the Hundred, the Blast, 50-over cricket, whatever. That’s what makes them and when they fail, they take the responsibility.”

Hussain also criticised the decision-making throughout England’s campaign. “I think there’s been a lack of clarity and we touched on it after the Mumbai defeat,” he said. “We’re not going to pick Harry Brook and we’re going to pick Jason Roy in the initial squad against New Zealand and then Matthew Mott saying to Michael Atherton, it’s not the final squad. Then Jason Roy has a few back niggles and Brook does come back in. Then you go to Ben Stokes and Ben Stokes comes out here and doesn’t play a few games. Then was he fit for Afghanistan, could he have come in then? The tournament’s going away from them, he’s out here, he’s come out of retirement, can you get on the park?

“Then they make three changes, unheard of for an England side, three changes. Then twice they bowled in the heat, and are absolutely gone on their feet. The sort of decision making that is an area in any defeat in any World Cup you can learn from so you don’t make the same mistakes next time around. There was definitely more clarity in 2019 off the field and decision making was better in 2019 than it’s been in 2019. Rob Key admitted that, he said they’ve got decisions wrong and when you’re in a World Cup and you look at some of these sides and you get the decisions wrong, you’ll come unstuck.”


Wisden
 
Shambolic world cup defence, never rated Buttler as a captain he's been shockingly bad. Just mindless bad cricket game after game, instead of respecting the conditions and teams they have been playing against
 
1.
Jason Roy will tweet
"When will we come out of friendship, liking, disliking culture. Allah only helps honest."
Alex Hales will reply - "Ustad ji, don't be this much honest"

2. Ex-captains like Alistair Cook and Andrew Strauss will sit and do analysis on TV channels, how to play modern day aggressive cricket and how to win in world cups.

3. ECB will do press release and ask cricket fraternity to support the team. In that statement they will put that Butler was given full authority to pick his squad.

4. Whole ex-cricketer community will be up in arms against Matthew Motts and Brendon McCullum, what is their role, why McCullum is not with the team.

Please add 😀
 
After the loss against Sri Lanka in ICC World Cup 2023, Nasser Hussain said:

“Back to back, I’ve not seen England play as badly as that. They’ve changed their tactics, they’ve gone back to their all-rounders. They changed the toss, they batted first. So it shows really that tactics are important, the team is important, what you do at the toss is important, but the most important thing in any sport and in cricket in particular, is having players at the top of their game, especially in a World Cup.

“If you walk in that dressing room now and asked them to put their hand on their heart and say, are you in good nick? I reckon maybe one or two could say that. They have all collapsed as a unit and their form has deserted them. Compare that to South Africa and their batting lineup, everyone’s in nick. You look at India and their batting lineup, Rohit, KL Rahul, Virat Kohli, Shubman Gill – all in nick.

“Some of those cricketers on that park today would go in your best ever England white ball XI. It’s just been a bridge too far for most of them.”

“What I don’t like is giving players a cop out,” said Hussain. “And I feel like sometimes we do that in English cricket. When we win the 50-over World Cup and the 20-over World Cup, aren’t they great? We’re brilliant. And when the wheels come of it’s the structure. It’s the structure of English cricket, we’re a disgrace. We play 20-over cricket, we play 100-ball cricket, we don’t play enough 50-over cricket.

“How much 50-over cricket domestically has Virat Kohli played? Or Heinrich Klaasen or anyone out here? They don’t play domestic 50-over cricket, they learn from T20 franchises around the world. That’s what’s made this great side over the last six years, travelling round the world playing T20 franchises. It’s such a lame excuse.

“You’re giving the players a cop out when you blame the structure. The structure that made them world champions, it is exactly the same structure. Yeah, you may have taken the eye off the ball a little bit and not given them enough practice and games going into the tournament. But it was the structure that produced them, so when they mess up, they mess up, not the structure. It’s always county cricket, it’s the Hundred, it’s the Blast – Root had to answer a question on maybe we get rid of the Blast – that’s what’s made our cricketers. County cricket makes the cricketers that we are. Whether it be the Hundred, the Blast, 50-over cricket, whatever. That’s what makes them and when they fail, they take the responsibility.”

Hussain also criticised the decision-making throughout England’s campaign. “I think there’s been a lack of clarity and we touched on it after the Mumbai defeat,” he said. “We’re not going to pick Harry Brook and we’re going to pick Jason Roy in the initial squad against New Zealand and then Matthew Mott saying to Michael Atherton, it’s not the final squad. Then Jason Roy has a few back niggles and Brook does come back in. Then you go to Ben Stokes and Ben Stokes comes out here and doesn’t play a few games. Then was he fit for Afghanistan, could he have come in then? The tournament’s going away from them, he’s out here, he’s come out of retirement, can you get on the park?

“Then they make three changes, unheard of for an England side, three changes. Then twice they bowled in the heat, and are absolutely gone on their feet. The sort of decision making that is an area in any defeat in any World Cup you can learn from so you don’t make the same mistakes next time around. There was definitely more clarity in 2019 off the field and decision making was better in 2019 than it’s been in 2019. Rob Key admitted that, he said they’ve got decisions wrong and when you’re in a World Cup and you look at some of these sides and you get the decisions wrong, you’ll come unstuck.”


Wisden

Spot on from Nasser.

Even in a slightly odd and ailing edition of the tournament where a number of sides have looked weakened, England’s attempt has still comfortably managed to be the worst cricket World Cup defence of all time.

Embarrassing stuff.
 
Spot on from Nasser.

Even in a slightly odd and ailing edition of the tournament where a number of sides have looked weakened, England’s attempt has still comfortably managed to be the worst cricket World Cup defence of all time.

Embarrassing stuff.

India is ranked 1 ODI team, top of the table in WC atm.
Pakistan - 2nd in rankings, 6th in WC
SA - 3rd in rankings, 2nd in WC
Aus - 4th in rankings, 4th in WC
NZ - 5th in rankings, 3rd in WC
Eng - 6th in rankings, 9th in WC
SL - 7th in rankings, 5th in WC
BD - 8th in rankings, 8th in WC
Afg - 9th in rankings, 7th in WC

Most teams seems to be doing similar to where they are placed in rankings currently.
 
Spot on from Nasser.

Even in a slightly odd and ailing edition of the tournament where a number of sides have looked weakened, England’s attempt has still comfortably managed to be the worst cricket World Cup defence of all time.

Embarrassing stuff.
They really have been all over the place, selection before the tournament.

And even during the tournament, a lot of changes.

Personally I think NZ took their souls the way they destroyed the bowling attack.

They never recovered.
 

England’s woes at World Cup down to lack of preparation – Sir Geoffrey Boycott​

Sir Geoffrey Boycott criticised England's lack of preparation for their continuing World Cup woes but spared captain Jos Buttler of the bulk of the blame.

Buttler accepted his future was out of his own hands as England crashed to an eight-wicket defeat to Sri Lanka in Bengaluru, which has left the defence of their title hanging by the thinnest of threads.

Head coach Matthew Mott has written off England's chances after four defeats in five games, which Boycott argued was the result of turning up in India just over a week before the campaign began.

"History shows that England rarely bat well in India where the ball spins," Boycott told the Daily Telegraph. "Our guys are okay on flat pitches but if it turns they have a problem.

"The best way to try and overcome that would have been for our squad of players to get to India early and play four or five warm-up matches. What did England do? Plan only two warm-up games with one getting rained off. Not smart planning."

England brought eight of the 2019 trophy-winning side with them to the subcontinent but Buttler has been unable to get the best out of his charges – as Eoin Morgan spectacularly did four years ago.

But Boycott feels the unflattering comparisons between the duo are unfair, pointing out Morgan had home comforts plus a fully-focused and healthy side in peak form whereas Buttler has had several obstacles to contend with.

Boycott said Jofra Archer's non-availability and Ben Stokes being ruled out of the first three matches through an ill-timed hip problem complicated matters for Buttler.

"Jos has a dysfunctional squad of players," the England great added. "Poorly selected, poorly prepared, not a settled team, many not sure of their roles, patchy form, confidence wobbly and to cap it all England's best two and most influential white-ball players have not been available.

"Although Buttler has admitted his own flaws this tournament, too many people are criticising his captaincy and judging him against that of Eoin Morgan when England won the previous World Cup.

"Make no mistake, not having Archer is huge alongside Stokes not being available through injury for the first three matches. Reece Topley has now had to go home injured.

"It is easy captaining a good team full of in-form players but it would need a miracle man to pull this team together. Buttler can't admit it, but it must be a nightmare."

 
England's defeats at this World Cup:

v New Zealand by 9 wickets
v Afghanistan by 69 runs
v South Africa by 229 runs
v Sri Lanka by 8 wickets
v India by 100 runs
 
Speaking on Sky Sports, Morgan, who captained England in 2019, said: "I've never come across a sports team that has underperformed like this England team, given the level of expectation that is on their shoulders.

"There's something within the team that is definitely unsettled. The method, which they're trying to use and given the substantial nature in which they've lost the game, it is definitely called into question, the morale within the changing room and the confidence.

"It must be at its lowest that it's been for a considerable period of time now."

Morgan also took aim at England's selection, continuing: "They've made mistakes with selection; they've really struggled to find a balanced side and one that's effective enough to compete, never mind win this tournament.

"It's been unbelievably challenging for Jos and his team. They have to regain the confidence in the method that they've used for so long that has made them double world champions."
 
I'm surprised that Morgan wasn't harsher to be honest
I guess thats as harsh as he can get as a lot of the players started playing under him and helped him win the 2019 WC - so cant be overly critical.. Yes Eng has had a horror show but they will be a much better team come 2024 T20 WC and if they qualify the 2025 CT ODI cup..
 
Speaking on Sky Sports, Morgan, who captained England in 2019, said: "I've never come across a sports team that has underperformed like this England team, given the level of expectation that is on their shoulders.

"There's something within the team that is definitely unsettled. The method, which they're trying to use and given the substantial nature in which they've lost the game, it is definitely called into question, the morale within the changing room and the confidence.

"It must be at its lowest that it's been for a considerable period of time now."

Morgan also took aim at England's selection, continuing: "They've made mistakes with selection; they've really struggled to find a balanced side and one that's effective enough to compete, never mind win this tournament.

"It's been unbelievably challenging for Jos and his team. They have to regain the confidence in the method that they've used for so long that has made them double world champions."
Morgan is the pinnacle of implement what you preach.

Amd he did that from 2015 to 2019. He knows what he's talking about.
 
Now that England is out, because even if they win all matches the rr means their out regardless.

The title of the thread shpuld be renamed to "2023 England wc campaign: What went wrong"
 
A guy like Morgan wouldn’t hang his hat on a risqué public suggestion like “unsettled dressing room” without some solid ITK insight. Obviously a lot of these current players were also his players and will still speak to him privately about different things. England has a hugely talented pool of players that even out of form would have managed to grind out a couple more wins here and still be in the tournament; as it is they’ve lost all but one of their games and often in embarrassing fashion, so there surely has to be something else going on for the performances to be this bad.
 
If an Asian defending cup holder would be losing in such a manner, all sorts of corruption and fixing allegations would have been raised...

Which one is it England being donkeys or been got to by the bookies.... :nasser

Hopefully the former..
 
If an Asian defending cup holder would be losing in such a manner, all sorts of corruption and fixing allegations would have been raised...

Which one is it England being donkeys or been got to by the bookies.... :nasser

Hopefully the former..

Being donkeys.

Also possibly the coach and/or captain have lost the dressing room.

In which case at least one sacking will not be too far away.
 
Being donkeys.

Also possibly the coach and/or captain have lost the dressing room.

In which case at least one sacking will not be too far away.
Coach most likely, irs really surprising and puzzling the dip in fortunes and abject surrender of the crown.

A year ago they won the T20 under the same captain and same set up.

This team's carrying one dead weight and a few players who ideally shouldn't have made the cut and Buttler needs to give them a bit of tough love.
 
Time for Eng to prepare for the 2024 T20 WC. Let go of some players - Malan Root , even Stokes, Moeen, Woakes, for the T20 WC - get in Salt, Duckett and other good T20 players. Dont be surprised if Eng win the 2024 t20 WC.

Also, The thing is the 2024 T20 WC is in the US and West Indies and o many desis that I know here are planning on attending ! It will be like a home world cup for Ind LOL ! Followed by Pak support.. But honestly the US is a terrible place to host a cricket WC. The stadiums here are just not world class. Has the feel of a weekend county cricket or club cricket. Plus the stadium capacities are too low. But nore importantly , the US & WI time zone is horrible for Ind and Pak markets. If they do a night T20 here at say 7pm - it's roughly 5.30 in the morning in India. Very impractical. Or you have to do a day here in the US to satisfy the evening watch time in the sub continent - in that case the crowds will be totally non existent unless its a Sat/Sun..
 
[Reporter:]

I don't know how much time you've had to speak to the guys now but can you sort of take us in and just tell us how painful it is at the moment losing all these games?

[Matthew Mott:]

You know haven't had a chat to the boys yet. Yeah, very painful I think we set out we knew it was going to be hard work today - India on their home patch and to be honest I was really pleased at the halfway mark. I thought it was definitely our best bowling and fielding effort. And we went out to bat with a lot of positivity about it being a very achievable total. There was a lot of dew out there as well. So, I thought, particularly after the start, we got none for 30 that we're well placed but anytime you lose four for ten you put yourself under pressure and chase and it unravelled again from there unfortunately.

[Reporter:]

Yeah, that unravelling, when it happens it's been happening faster. Are you sensing almost a fearfulness in the team that they can almost see the thing disappearing from them as soon as the first setback happens?

[Matthew Mott:]

No, not really. I think when you've seen that happen a couple of times recently, it does affect the confidence, no doubt. When you're winning, you can absorb a couple of wickets and seem to get through. But tonight, as I said, we're none for 30. I wasn't sure. We lost the wicket there. I wasn't sure about Joe's [Root] one, how pretty clear on the technology there was a little spike there, so I'm not sure why we didn't use that. But then it happened bang, bang and we're under pressure and they bowled extremely well. They were in their home conditions they did well and I think probably deserve a lot of credit the way they managed through that dew as well. I thought we tried to hold on and get some partnerships together but we just kept losing a wicket every time we looked like getting a bit of a foundation. So yeah, disappointing.

[Reporter:]

You guys have talked about recovering some pride, being hungry to sort of get some of that pride back. Is that changing now? We saw almost no chance of really improving things. Is it almost like it'd be better just to get home and draw a line under this one?

[Matthew Mott:]

No, not at all. I think, yeah, it's tough. I'm sick of coming up and speaking to you guys about the same thing, but that's what professional sport is. And we've got to keep pushing hard here. We've got a fair bit to play for to the back end of this tournament.

I think the way that we went out and fielded and bowled today showed the commitment of the group. And that's the main part of this. You've got to keep fronting up and commit, throw yourself around in the field. I thought we were brilliant there. And the first half we did our job the second half was one would rather forget and we've got to find a way.

There's some world-class players in there that unfortunately aren't scoring the runs that they're used to scoring.

[Reporter:]

It looks like you're going to need to finish top eight to qualify for the Champions Trophy, I know it's two years away or whatever but that's looking a bit of a stiff task in itself now that's got to be a concern.

[Matthew Mott:]

Yeah, I suppose to your point earlier it gives us a lot of focus that we need to make sure we can't you know just turn up. We've got to turn up and play and win those games. And we're obviously up against some good teams in those last few games as well. So, that's plenty of motivation for us to pick ourselves back up off the canvas and keep trying to throw punches.

[Reporter:]

I don't know if you've seen but Eoin Morgan said that given how badly the decisions have been made have gone and how England have gone away from the white ball cricket makes him think that something is going on in the dressing room. Is something going on?

[Matthew Mott:]

No, not really. I don't think that at all. I think anyone that's inside our tent at the moment would say that despite our results, we're an incredibly tight-knit unit, to the point where one of our, I said to the boys the other day, Dave Humphries, who's a former rugby international, was flabbergasted just how tight the unit was when he came in for a week to observe us, given that the results that we've had.

So, there's every opportunity when you're losing - to splinter and go separate ways. I can only say from my opinion the group's been incredibly strong in that part. If you see our training sessions, they're full of fun. People are putting their arm around each other, trying to help them. It's easy to do that when you're winning. It's a lot harder when you're losing. I'm proud that we keep trying to get up.

[Reporter:]

Just to follow that up, it's great that everyone's having a great time, but are you sure there's nothing going on? Eoin’s a pretty clued-up guy, he's got ears in the dressing room, I find it quite hard to believe that he'd be way off the mark with that?

[Matthew Mott:]

Yeah, no, Eoin’s entitled to his opinion. He's obviously been away for a couple of weeks with the birth of his child. He hasn't been in and around the rooms, but I'll certainly take that up with him and have a chat to him. We've got a really good relationship with him. So, if he's seeing something that I'm not, I'll definitely have that conversation.

[Reporter:]

There were some positives today that we probably shouldn't lose sight of entirely. Oh, that's nice. Chris Woakes bowled really well. Bowling through seven overs at the start. It must have been a really tough time for him. How has that been for him and how happy were you with how he came back from that today?

[Matthew Mott:]

Yeah, I'm very, very happy for Woakes. I think he obviously didn't start the tournament the way he would have liked. But Jos in particular as captain likes to reward guys that have done well over a long period of time. I think the faith that he showed, you know, he obviously missed the game, and I think that was probably timely for him just to work through some things in the nets, come back, and since he's come back, I think he's been excellent.

Even bowling at the back end, that's an unfamiliar role for him. And they were looking dangerous there that they could just put it beyond 250, and I thought we did really well, and Woakes is a big part of that. So definitely a positive.

I thought Dave Willey again was another one who has come into the side later in the tournament and is always underestimated but always delivers. So, a little cameo at the end with the bat.

So, look I think those guys are really good. I thought Rash bowled well as well and put plenty of pressure on. As I said, there's no problems in the first half. I thought we were a bit in your hand off for 230 with the conditions the way they were going to be tonight. But unfortunately, we couldn't deliver.

[Reporter:]

When did you know what the qualification procedure was for the Champions Trophy? When did you and the team learn what the qualification for the Champions Trophy was?

[Matthew Mott:]

About an hour and a half ago.

[Reporter:]

Right, that seems incredible to come into a major global event not knowing what the qualification for the next global event is doesn't it?

[Matthew Mott:]

Well, the ICC do change the rules quite a bit with qualification and to be honest I don't think it would affect in any way the way we've played in this tournament so it's not a big deal.

[Reporter:]

I'm sure you must have been asked this a few times, but just to know a little bit more, how has it all come so undone for the team which is the defending champion? Where have things gone wrong? And have you really thrashed it out with the players and the team?

[Matthew Mott:]

Well, yeah, I suppose the latest thing has been our batting, the thing that's gone wrong. There's no secret that we keep getting bowled out before that we get our full allotment of 50 overs. So that would be a big part of it.

I never really buy into the defending champions thing; I think everyone starts on the same points and we knew we would have to play out of our skin to qualify for the top four here. There's a lot of good teams here and a lot of teams that play really well in these conditions. So as a team coming over, we started with a lot of optimism, but it hasn't worked out. As we mentioned before, we've got a lot to still play for the end of this tournament.

[Reporter:]

Just wondering your observations on Jos and how he's been handling what's probably been the biggest challenge of his career and certainly his captaincy. What's he been like in the dressing room?

[Matthew Mott:]

I think he's been great to be honest. I think Jos is an incredibly deep thinker about the game. First and foremost, I think he's just disappointed with his own form of the bat. I think he felt like he came over here in really good form. He usually leads from the front and scores a lot of runs. So, I think that's probably been the hardest thing to deal with.

That dressing room's full of really good characters and guys with a lot of experience, and they've really helped a lot. I think Moeen Ali, Ben Stokes, Johnny Bairstow, Joe Root, guys like that have played around him a lot, have really tried to take the pressure off him. But like all of us, it's an incredibly difficult period. I think we won't forget this one for a long time. But what you do in elite sport is you've got to learn when you hit the canvas and you keep getting kicked while you're down, you store that away and you make sure you use that as motivation to keep getting better and making sure it doesn’t happen again and Jos is certainly in that boat.
 
Post 2019 World Cup , these are some of the numbers for ENG batsmen against Top 8 sides

Malan - 56/98 (average/strike rate)
Bairstow - 36/96
Buttler - 30/99
Roy- 30/96
Root - 29/82
Stokes - 35/102
Brook - 20/87
Moeen - 21/83
Livingston - 29/98

Once Malan lost form, the rest of the lineup was toast and the results have borne that out.
 
So Yorkshire group it is, the reason for infighting and dysfunctional approach let's see what ECB does, poor Buttler got a taste of Pakistani recipe
 
Defiant England coach hits back at Eoin Morgan criticism

England coach Matthew Mott says that is nothing in Eoin Morgan’s assertion that there is a deeper problem within the squad.

Mott spoke to the media after England’s sixth loss of the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup – a demoralising 100-run defeat to hosts India.

And the head coach was asked specifically about comments made by Morgan.

The former England World Cup-winning captain had remarked "I think there's something else going on – there has to be," when discussing England’s uncharacteristic displays in the tournament.

But Mott says that Morgan is wide of the mark.

“Eoin’s entitled to his opinion. He's obviously been away for a couple of weeks with the birth of his child. He hasn't been in and around the rooms, but I'll certainly take that up with him and have a chat to him.

“We've got a really good relationship with him. So, if he's seeing something that I'm not, I'll definitely have that conversation.

I think anyone that's inside our tent at the moment would say that despite our results, we're an incredibly tight-knit unit – to the point where Dave Humphries, who's a former rugby international, was flabbergasted just how tight the unit was when he came in for a week to observe us.”

England's defence of their World Cup title is not mathematically over, but five defeats from six matches in India means it would take an unprecedented turnaround in the table for this group of players to reach the final four.

Australia await Mott and his players next, with the game to be held in Ahmedebad next Saturday.

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Looking at how England has performed in this World Cup, it reminds me of India and Pakistan's elimination in the 2007 World Cup.

Which do you think was the greater debacle?

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Def Eng 2023

Champions coming into the tournament as well as some bookies favourites

Pak/Ind we’re poor in 2007 as well
 
I think India/Pakistan in 2007 WC was a bigger debacle. They got eliminated by Ireland and Bangladesh.

England mostly lost to good teams in this WC.
 
England 2023, India & Pakistan had 1 unexpected loss, 2023 England been mullered atleast twice, where they were expected to roll over opponents and plus they are defending champs.
 
India lost to Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Had they beaten Bangladesh, they would've been through.

Sri Lanka were an elite team then. Losing to Sri Lanka was not surprising.
It is not about which loss was surprising. It was the Sri Lanka loss which eliminated India. If India didn't lose to SL, then it didn't matter if Bangladesh won or lost against them.
 
Looking at how England has performed in this World Cup, it reminds me of India and Pakistan's elimination in the 2007 World Cup.

Which do you think was the greater debacle?

Cricket World Cup History: Five heart-breaking moments in the World Cup ...

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Easily the eng debacle..no comparison really. Ind and pak just had 1 bad day at the office and they were out. Eng was bad in all their games. If there were more games in the 2007 wc.league stages -.ind and pak would have played much better and would have been good sf contenders.
 
Looking at how England has performed in this World Cup, it reminds me of India and Pakistan's elimination in the 2007 World Cup.

Which do you think was the greater debacle?

Cricket World Cup History: Five heart-breaking moments in the World Cup ...

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Shocking exit. But it was a case of one bad day. This one several very bad days for England.
 
Ravi Shastri's Blunt One-Liner On "Difference Between India And England"

It has been a tough campaign for England in the ongoing Cricket World Cup 2023 and things got even worse with a 100-run defeat against India on Sunday. The defending champions produced a good bowling show to restrict India to 229 but their batters were once again the weak link as they were all out for 129. This was England's fifth loss in six games and they are currently at the bottom of the points table with just 2 points. Legendary India cricketer Ravi Shastri blasted the Jos Buttler-side for their show in the competition till now and even emphasised on the huge gulf in quality between England and India.

"England should be devastated – spectators, supporters. Because the first match which they lost, 17 overs were left in the game when New Zealand beat them. Against South Africa, they got all out in 20 overs. That game ended early. Then they were all out in 30 overs against Sri Lanka, where SL chased the target and finished the match in 25 overs. Today, they had lost 8 wickets inside 32 overs. You call yourselves World Champions? It means, if they aren't sad over their performance, who will?" Shastri said.

"If someone asks what is the difference between India and England, it is of 8 teams," he added.

The International Cricket Council (ICC) announced that the top 7 teams in the Cricket World Cup will qualify directly for the Champions Trophy 2025 along with the hosts Pakistan. With England in the bottom spot, they are at risk of missing the competition.

"From here on, England will have to play for pride. The reason I am saying that is because right now they are at the bottom of the points table. And in the Champions Trophy which takes place in 2025, only the top 8 teams of the World Cup can qualify. So if England remain in the bottom two, imagine a team like them not playing an ICC tournament as big as the CT would be a huge blow," Shastri concluded.

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England have been in a rut in ODIs for a couple of years. They deserve it for carrying a certified bottler like Moeen.

He was on a mission to single-handedly to destroy England’s dream of winning the 2019 World Cup.

The only reason they won was because he was booted out of the playing XI. No member of the England squad was less deserving of the winners medal.

The fact that he is still in the team 4 years later shows that England have not learned.
Not sure what you are crying about.

Whether England are favorites or not - whether they will do better than India or not - has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Moeen has been rubbish in ODIs for very long and does not deserve to be in the team.

He is their weak-link and the fact that they have kept him in the team after he stank up the place in the previous World Cup shows that England have not learned anything from that experience.

Moeen is a liability. He has been given a vital role in the ODI team and he has not come close to doing justice to that role.

He is supposed to be an all-rounder but his presence makes both batting and bowling weak at the same time, and his performances in this format over the last four years show that.

1 year is a long time in cricket. You need to continuously improve and evolve because other teams will catch up. It is clear that over the last couple of years, most big teams have caught up with England in this format.

There results have been far from impressive and this first XI excuse is not a legitimate one when you dig deeper into the players that they have played.

England cannot turn up for the 2023 World Cup with the same squad that won the previous World Cup. They need to identify their weak areas and plug them to maximize their chances. The fact that Moeen is still part of the team shows that they have not done that.
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The worst performance by a defending champion of all time. Came after winning the final by the slightest of margins of all time as well (a super over thanks to an “overthrow”)
 
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