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Can Non-Muslim Pakistanis Drink Alcohol Legally in Pakistan?

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Looking at how India's religious ruling of cow consumption is extended to non-Hindus I was wondering how flexible it is for non adherents in Muslim countries in Pakistan...

I've noticed that alcohol consumption is in theory allowed for non-Muslims and foreigners...does it work in practice?...can a Christian Pakistani easily purchase alcohol?...

Are Muslim foreigners exempt from the prohibition?...in Britain of course our passports dont specify religion...but if you are from another Muslim country where your identification specifices that you are Muslim are you still permitted to buy alcohol?...

How about pork?...I know a French restaurant in Islamabad banned Pakistanis regardless of religious affiliation because it served pork and alcohol...
 
Well by drinking alcohol you are not killing anyone....and i dnt think there should be any problem to any mullahs..tomorrow they will say listening music for non muslims is also forbidden.....
comparing drinking alcohol and with killing cows and then eating is completly different....there should not be any discussion about minorities in pakistan we all know everything so useless thread...
 
shaykh said:
does it work in practice?...can a Christian Pakistani easily purchase alcohol?...
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Not only can they easily purchase it, they can turn a tidy profit by selling it to Muslims. Christians are well represented in the bootlegging population.

A while back, I mentioned Francis, a guy I knew who lived in a poor locality in Rawalpindi close to my aunt's place. A cousin and I went to wish him a Merry Christmas, and lo and behold, the movie star Javed Sheikh arrived for a drink. It turned out he did that every time he was visiting relatives nearby. I'm not sure if whiskey and coke is Javed's drink of choice, or whether he had it because that was what was available.

In Islamabad, the high-end liquor trade usually involves foreign diplomats. They are allowed to bring it in, and they do, because they too can make quite a bit of extra money to augment their salaries.

By the way, the designated liquor stores in the big cities that usually have Murree Brewery drinks never really check your ID. They quickly take the money and hand over the merchandise. Failing that, the friendly neighborhood Christian bootlegger's got your back.
 
Yes. They get a permit(like an id card) that allows them to legally purchase and consume alcohol in Pakistan.

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It's a profitable business for non muslims here they are allowed to drink and buy and than what they do is selling it to to interested muslims secretly.Many Christians in our area do it as a side business
 
In Pakistan the biggest legal brewery is Murree Brewery Rawalpindi they started back in 1860 by British and now it's being run by a Parsi family. Murree Brewery also make soft drinks, non alcholic beer and juices for muslim consumers and their soft drinks like big apple and tops are very popular.

Their range of LIQUORS and Beers is huge you can check it here at bottom of this page http://www.murreebrewery.com/products.html so you can imagine if a company run by a non muslim is producing this huge range in Pakistan than drinking for non muslims is not even an issue here
 
Yep it's very easy, not just "in theory", I even know Muslims that drink over here, so if you're trying to compare it to the beef ban in India then that's an #EpicFail
 
Deosai said:
Yep it's very easy, not just "in theory", I even know Muslims that drink over here, so if you're trying to compare it to the beef ban in India then that's an #EpicFail
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Punjab Police is famous for selling imported one as well :D
 
Yes. And Pakistan even has some active breweries. I know people with bars in their houses.
 
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Even for Muslims purchasing liquor (de facto) in Pakistan is easier than some states in the US.
 
Under the laws of Pakistan Muslims are prohibited from consuming alcoholic drinks. Non-Muslims and foreigners require consumption permit issued by Provincial Governments and Islamabad (Capital Territory). However in most cases a Liquor retailer will assist you in obtaining a permit. If you are a foreign tourist; feel free to call our Customer department for assistance on Telephone Phone No. +92 051-5567041-7 (Extension: 311, 392)

In province of Punjab, liquor can be purchased only from authorized dealers as under:

Lahore
i. Pearl Continental Hotel, Mall Road. 042-36360210
ii. Holiday Inn, Egerton Road. 042-36310077
iii. Ambassador Hotel, Davis Road. 042-36316820-32
iv. Avari Hotel, Mall Road. 042-36366366
 
akki said:
Well by drinking alcohol you are not killing anyone....and i dnt think there should be any problem to any mullahs..tomorrow they will say listening music for non muslims is also forbidden.....
comparing drinking alcohol and with killing cows and then eating is completly different....there should not be any discussion about minorities in pakistan we all know everything so useless thread...
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Tbf your argument is weak...since you're making a ration based argument about 'alcohol not killing anyone' what about all those buffaloes that are killed which make you the worlds largest beef importer?...

The thing about the cow has nothing to do with it being a living thing...its simply a religious rule which you hold dear...much like the Muslims hold the prohibition of alcohol to be important to them...
 
Is it just me or do all the threads these days contain variants of the exact same debate? If you squint your eyes as you click, you can see cow-Muslim-cow-MQM-minority-halal-RAW-beef-Modi-haram-RSS-minority-ISI repeated in a loop.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's almost psychedelic.
 
Very interesting responses...and quite accommodating in many ways...out of interest does this exist for other things?...ie specific things that are prohibited for Muslims but are allowed for non-Muslims?...
 
Don't know about other cities, but in Karachi anybody can buy liquor with NO problem at all..
 
Nostalgic said:
Is it just me or do all the threads these days contain variants of the exact same debate? If you squint your eyes as you click, you can see cow-Muslim-cow-MQM-minority-halal-RAW-beef-Modi-haram-RSS-minority-ISI repeated in a loop.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's almost psychedelic.
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IT IS A BAD THING.

Its just a series of elongated keyboard wars from Indian and Pak posters.

Of course there are exceptions like threads like these where shaykh is asking a genuine question cos he doesn't know.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
IT IS A BAD THING.

Its just a series of elongated keyboard wars from Indian and Pak posters.

Of course there are exceptions like threads like these where shaykh is asking a genuine question cos he doesn't know.
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PP timepass section used to be so interesting, with discussions about movies, cars, fond memories, jinn bhoot etc.


Now its all about my country is better than your country kind of inanity
 
Nostalgic said:
Is it just me or do all the threads these days contain variants of the exact same debate? If you squint your eyes as you click, you can see cow-Muslim-cow-MQM-minority-halal-RAW-beef-Modi-haram-RSS-minority-ISI repeated in a loop.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's almost psychedelic.
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In my defence id say most of my posts would suggest im not nationalistic...i asked the question cos i genuinely didnt know the answer...
 
akki said:
Well by drinking alcohol you are not killing anyone....and i dnt think there should be any problem to any mullahs..tomorrow they will say listening music for non muslims is also forbidden.....
comparing drinking alcohol and with killing cows and then eating is completly different....there should not be any discussion about minorities in pakistan we all know everything so useless thread...
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How many people die each year as a result of drunk driving and how many die each year as a result of someone eating cow meat instead of buffalo meat like Indians do?
 
shaykh said:
In my defence id say most of my posts would suggest im not nationalistic...i asked the question cos i genuinely didnt know the answer...
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Sorry, I should've mentioned that I didn't mean your original question. But there was at least one post in the subsequent discussion that mentioned cows.

To misquote Sean Connery from The Untouchables, "brings a cow to an alcohol fight."
 
Right lads, pints are on me tonight.


Could see Pakistan becoming a hub for stag do's and hen parties
 
Syed1 said:
PP timepass section used to be so interesting, with discussions about movies, cars, fond memories, jinn bhoot etc.


Now its all about my country is better than your country kind of inanity
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Yup.

Almost every damn thread has an hidden agenda.

Its almost like Indians and Pakistani posters enter a thread to either attack the opposition or defend their stance.

:facepalm:
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
IT IS A BAD THING.
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But it's trippy. Trippy is good. It's Time Pass, the Déjà Vu version.

I draw great satisfaction from other people working up a virtual sweat (and possibly getting carpal tunnel syndrome) while I lounge on the couch and browse.
 
Yes, Pakistan does not force religious view of majority on religious minorities like people from fake secular Hindustan who are forcing Hindu religious view on their Christian, Jewish and Muslim minority.
 
shaykh said:
Very interesting responses...and quite accommodating in many ways...out of interest does this exist for other things?...ie specific things that are prohibited for Muslims but are allowed for non-Muslims?...
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I think pork may only be served at elite restaurants. Surreptitiously, of course.
 
Syed1 said:
Never seen or heard of pork being sold..
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I think there are some restaurants in Islamabad that serve pork. At least that's what I have been told by a person working at a foreign diplomatic mission. That's where he satiates his appetite for pork.
 
Syed1 said:
Never seen or heard of pork being sold..
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It's available in some big hotels in ISB i know it because pig hunting is being done in some area of potohar region and than those are being sell to these big restaurants in ISB.
 
Laal said:
I think there are some restaurants in Islamabad that serve pork. At least that's what I have been told by a person working at a foreign diplomatic mission. That's where he satiates his appetite for pork.
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Strike Rate said:
It's available in some big hotels in ISB i know it because pig hunting is being done in some area of potohar region and than those are being sell to these big restaurants in ISB.
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Could it be wild boar rather than pig? There are a lot of wild boar in the Margallas, and they are vicious. An army officer family friend of ours had a batman who arrived home from an errand severely bleeding. He had been attacked by a pack of boars. There are a lot of people who hunt boar without eating them. Maybe they decided to sell the kill for profit.

During Shortcut Aziz's tenure an PM, there was a real issue of boar descending down from the Margallas and prancing around in the PM House lawns.
 
Nostalgic said:
Could it be wild boar rather than pig? There are a lot of wild boar in the Margallas, and they are vicious. An army officer family friend of ours had a batman who arrived home from an errand severely bleeding. He had been attacked by a pack of boars. There are a lot of people who hunt boar without eating them. Maybe they decided to sell the kill for profit.

During Shortcut Aziz's tenure an PM, there was a real issue of boar descending down from the Margallas and prancing around in the PM House lawns.
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Yes it's actually wild boar or wild pig whatever you call it and they are pretty dangerous when in angry mode. Margallas are full of them but they are everywhere in potohar region. Did you missed that news a couple of years ago how they attacked some people in supreme court islamabad parking?

the headline was something "سپریم کورٹ پرسوؤروں کا حملہ، سات زخمی"
 
Strike Rate said:
"سپریم کورٹ پرسوؤروں کا حملہ، سات زخمی"
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This headline would've worked great when the PMLN goons attacked the Supreme Court in 1997.

(The iPhone app destroyed the Urdu text in the quote... trying again on the computer...)
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
IT IS A BAD THING.

Its just a series of elongated keyboard wars from Indian and Pak posters.

Of course there are exceptions like threads like these where shaykh is asking a genuine question cos he doesn't know.
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I suspect he knows and the purpose is to start the same loop again :)
 
It's laughable to see Pakistan banned alcohol in the name of religion and Muslims themselves want to consume it. What's the point of forcing it then on Muslims ?
 
I heard somewhere that people have to show they have a "problem" and then only will get limited supply of Alcohol in return. Steve Waugh criticised Pakistan for being the worst place to tour in the 80s and one of the reasons he mentioned was this ban on Alcohol.

How true is that ?
 
Beef is still readily available in India. During Ramzan in Bangalore most places serve beef in the street in the evening. . You can say most of that is buffalo but cow s also availble
 
tempus123 said:
I heard somewhere that people have to show they have a "problem" and then only will get limited supply of Alcohol in return. Steve Waugh criticised Pakistan for being the worst place to tour in the 80s and one of the reasons he mentioned was this ban on Alcohol.

How true is that ?
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If you aren't dyslexic you would find the answer to your question above.

Post a source of what Steve Waugh said, it makes no sense cause non Muslims and foreigners are allowed alcohol, even in Zia's Pakistan non Muslims and foreigners had no problem acquiring alcohol, maybe he didn't like the fact that therte were no nightclubs or women dressed in revealing clothes
 
Deosai said:
If you aren't dyslexic you would find the answer to your question above.

Post a source of what Steve Waugh said, it makes no sense cause non Muslims and foreigners are allowed alcohol, even in Zia's Pakistan non Muslims and foreigners had no problem acquiring alcohol, maybe he didn't like the fact that therte were no nightclubs or women dressed in revealing clothes
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You have to buy his autobiography.
 
tempus123 said:
It's laughable to see Pakistan banned alcohol in the name of religion and Muslims themselves want to consume it. What's the point of forcing it then on Muslims ?
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This is where you have to broaden your perception. In the other thread you were defending the equating of cow smuggling with raping of a Hindi girl on the basis that cow is held sacred so you of all people should be able to accept other people holding odd views based on religion.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is where you have to broaden your perception. In the other thread you were defending the equating of cow smuggling with raping of a Hindi girl on the basis that cow is held sacred so you of all people should be able to accept other people holding odd views based on religion.
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I think I am consistent, but you need to take your prejudiced glasses off to see the difference.
 
tempus123 said:
It's really not my fault if you didn't have time to go through all my posts on the topic/thread where I have clarified it in detail.
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I never mentioned it was your fault that I haven't gone through all of your posts. Why would I do that?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I never mentioned it was your fault that I haven't gone through all of your posts. Why would I do that?
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It's a fair assumption in civil discussions to expect to be understood exactly what was intended, specially if the person has posted it clearly. Deliberately missing the point, will lead to discussions which will not lead anywhere. You are entitled to your opinion about my post though, even if they are misinformed.
 
I usually used to opt for charas whenever I was in Karachi. Much easier to find (Even on Fridays), cheaper, better high, not the same social taboo, etc.
 
PCP_1 said:
I usually used to opt for charas whenever I was in Karachi. Much easier to find (Even on Fridays), cheaper, better high, not the same social taboo, etc.
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being a charsi has a big stigma in society
 
Nostalgic said:
Not if you have high friends in places.
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it's not about knowing influential people to get out of trouble, it's that society which includes your family,friends,neighbors,coworkers etc that would be judge you for being a charsi
 
Syed1 said:
PP timepass section used to be so interesting, with discussions about movies, cars, fond memories, jinn bhoot etc.


Now its all about my country is better than your country kind of inanity
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bacha party
 
tempus123 said:
It's laughable to see Pakistan banned alcohol in the name of religion and Muslims themselves want to consume it. What's the point of forcing it then on Muslims ?
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The govt. has always tried to keep the laws on the 'Islamic' side. They are a saintly bunch, after all. ;-) :nawaz

What religion prescribes is hardly what followers of a religion always yearn for. Many Muslims worldwide do things that are forbidden by Islam. Most human beings will often remain extremely subservient to their desires.
 
tempus123 said:
It's laughable to see Pakistan banned alcohol in the name of religion and Muslims themselves want to consume it. What's the point of forcing it then on Muslims ?
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Same way your government banned beef, when a significant chunk of your population wants to consume it.


Dosron ko tunqeeed karnay se pehlay apnay gir-e-baan mein jhaank lehtay hein..
 
By 'foreigners', does that mean non-Pakistani Muslims as well ?
 
Haroon786 said:
Brilliant if it was deliberate and Freudian if it wasn't.
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Brilliant, and deliberate, but not original. It is a common enough pun in the charsi community.

I don't think [MENTION=139056]Deosai[/MENTION] got it though ;)
 
Syed1 said:
Same way your government banned beef, when a significant chunk of your population wants to consume it.


Dosron ko tunqeeed karnay se pehlay apnay gir-e-baan mein jhaank lehtay hein..
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I would even say some Hindus also want to consume beef, so it's not about 'population', just to add to your argument.

The difference, however is, Pakistan banned it for Muslims only, that is laughable :)

Maine gir-e-baan mein jhaankne ke baad hi kaha tha janaab.
 
Abdullah719 said:
The govt. has always tried to keep the laws on the 'Islamic' side. They are a saintly bunch, after all. ;-) :nawaz

What religion prescribes is hardly what followers of a religion always yearn for. Many Muslims worldwide do things that are forbidden by Islam. Most human beings will often remain extremely subservient to their desires.
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You are right. The problem is, you are forcing it in the name of religion.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I don't follow. Please elaborate.
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Sorry for not being clear. I meant, when you force it on only Muslims, as opposed to forcing it on the entire population, it is laughable. You are forcing Muslim people to follow Islam properly, even if they don't want to.
 
tempus123 said:
Sorry for not being clear. I meant, when you force it on only Muslims, as opposed to forcing it on the entire population, it is laughable. You are forcing Muslim people to follow Islam properly, even if they don't want to.
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its not forcing islam its forcing laws & laws only works when forced
 
the op is always pretend to be naive but he is not as he knows every thing regarding pakistani society, anyway there are registered shops where any non muslim can purchase wine
 
^ even muree beverages is the registered Pakistani wine manufacturing company situated in RWP & selling its products countrywide
 
Nostalgic said:
Is it just me or do all the threads these days contain variants of the exact same debate? If you squint your eyes as you click, you can see cow-Muslim-cow-MQM-minority-halal-RAW-beef-Modi-haram-RSS-minority-ISI repeated in a loop.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's almost psychedelic.
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the best way to take your senseless thread to p.g# 5 is to bring Islam, Pakistan & Pakistanis in trial box & some peoples specially the op type peoples are very expert in this thing
 
tempus123 said:
It's laughable to see Pakistan banned alcohol in the name of religion and Muslims themselves want to consume it. What's the point of forcing it then on Muslims ?
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your troll is laughable actually, hardly 1% muslims actually want to consume alcohol so we cant change our law for that 1% its not like that 25% want to consume beef but still prohibited & being restricted bcz it is god
 
junaid.ahmed said:
its not forcing islam its forcing laws & laws only works when forced
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Isn't committing "haram" a personal choice ? Why can't Pakistan ban other things that are haram that an average citizen is committing ? Why can't it ban cigarettes for example ?
 
Thivagar said:
Isn't committing "haram" a personal choice ? Why can't Pakistan ban other things that are haram that an average citizen is committing ? Why can't it ban cigarettes for example ?
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tell me how cigarette is haram??? & what other things that are haram but halal in Pakistan???
 
junaid.ahmed said:
your troll is laughable actually, hardly 1% muslims actually want to consume alcohol so we cant change our law for that 1% its not like that 25% want to consume beef but still prohibited & being restricted bcz it is god
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Where did you get this 1% figure from ?
 
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