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It appears you are unhappy with Congress's every leftist action and want them to become the B team of BJP. India already had many right wing parties so someone needs to be the voice of reason.
Of course, it is political. Congress not doing anything was also for political reasons, I don't deny it.
Both these parties are exploiting their religious bases for politics, the only difference is the BJP acted illegally, tearing down the the Babri Masjid in 1992 via a hindutva mob and promising to build a temple there.
There reasons are different, so they are not anti Hindu, and we sanatanis respect that.So these 4 Shankracharyas are also anti Hindu I guess!
Reducing media freedom is quite irrelevant. Most people consume news thru websites and social media, next is perhaps tv. And all 3 of these channels have dedicated websites/agencies whose only identity is that they criticize modi 24 hours a day. I ain't denying that a large section of tv media is strongly biased towards him but that's how media has always been. Media was never neutral, since the advent of cable tv and news channels when journalists became celebrities , they have always been biased. For first 15 years towards congress and now towards bjp.To be honest, India needs some change but it's not going to come from the Congress or Rahul Gandhi. As a party, they have no connection with the public or strategy (beyond opposition to Modi) at the national level.
Modi has been reasonably competent in an economic and foreign policy sense (except for the odd demonetisation or obsession with assasinating irrelevant Sikh expats). He has however been pretty bad for India in a social sense
- Deepening wedges between the majority and minorities that will have long term implications
- Reducing media freedoms and free speech
All in all, I think he's just one more of a bunch of authoritarian figures who've emerged in world politics over the last 10 years - Trump, Bolsonaro, Xinping etc. and it will take a change in the national mood and/or a charismatic opposition leader to unseat him. Certainly not the likes of Rahul Gandhi.
To be honest, India needs some change but it's not going to come from the Congress or Rahul Gandhi. As a party, they have no connection with the public or strategy (beyond opposition to Modi) at the national level.
Modi has been reasonably competent in an economic and foreign policy sense (except for the odd demonetisation or obsession with assasinating irrelevant Sikh expats). He has however been pretty bad for India in a social sense
- Deepening wedges between the majority and minorities that will have long term implications
- Reducing media freedoms and free speech
All in all, I think he's just one more of a bunch of authoritarian figures who've emerged in world politics over the last 10 years - Trump, Bolsonaro, Xinping etc. and it will take a change in the national mood and/or a charismatic opposition leader to unseat him. Certainly not the likes of Rahul Gandhi.
Somebody should tell these Shankaracharyas that they do not own Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma. Many Hindus do not even accept Vedas as the holiest texts of Hinduism. They outright reject Vedas. Especially Shivite sects.So these 4 Shankracharyas are also anti Hindu I guess!
Pointless from Rahul and Congress. These yatras are not going to fetch them many votes during Lok Sabha elections.Rahul Gandhi to meet ethnic communities of north Bengal during Bharat Jodo Nyay Yatr
Although large parts of north Bengal were once in the control of Congress before the Left and TMC took over, the BJP has made substantial inroads in the recent years
Congress leader Rahul Gandhi wants to meet ethnic communities and tea garden workers of north Bengal during his upcoming ‘Bharat Jodo Nyay Yatra’ to understand local issues in the run up to the 2024 general elections, the party’s state leaders said on Thursday.
Rahul Gandhi with Congress president Mallikarjun Kharge at the party HQ in New Delhi.
The campaign is likely to touch West Bengal at the end of January.
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Although large parts of north Bengal were once in the control of Congress before the Left and Trinamool Congress (TMC) took over, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has made substantial inroads in the recent years.
BJP bagged 29 out of the 54 assembly seats in the eight north Bengal districts in 2021, although TMC won 215 of the state’s 294 seats against 75 wrested by the BJP. In the 2019 Lok Sabha polls, BJP bagged 18 of the state’s 42 seats, a record for them. In north Bengal, the saffron camp secured seven of the eight seats.
Gandhi’s Manipur-to-Mumbai campaign, in which I.N.D.I.A coalition leaders are also invited to participate, will help the Congress central leadership evaluate the party’s position in several West Bengal districts before taking a call on how to carry out seat-sharing talks with the TMC for the Lok Sabha polls.
Source : The Hindustan Times
Point taken. However, it appears that sanghis are missing Congress leaders dearly which explains whole gamut of them attacking Congress leaders for not attending this political event.Somebody should tell these Shankaracharyas that they do not own Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma. Many Hindus do not even accept Vedas as the holiest texts of Hinduism. They outright reject Vedas. Especially Shivite sects.
Brahminism will lead to the downfall of Hinduism. They are a tiny minority. The rights must be equally distributed and Shudras are the flagbearers of Hinduism and rightfully should be.
If Shankaracharyas do not want to attend the inauguration, they can choose to. Its a free country. No one will miss them.
Why should the Congress attend a heavily politicised issue like the Ram Mandhir inauguration that the BJP cynically uses to gain poltical capital and appease its hindutva base ?
It appears you are unhappy with Congress's every leftist action and want them to become the B team of BJP. India already had many right wing parties so someone needs to be the voice of reason.
Sure bro, I won't waste your time by producing a long essay. Just to state a single step that eclipses Modi's entire career is the introduction of LPG (Liberalization, Privatization and Globalization) policy under Narshima Rao of Congress in 1991 that steered India out from the pawns of IMF for good. Other steps include look east policy. Indira Gandhi has own achievements too but feel even above are enough for Modi to ponder his achievements in 10 years long tenure.Can you list some actions and policy decisions from the Congress party ( a.k.a the "Voice of Reason") during the 60+ yrs that they were in Power ? And when I mean power .... imagine 10x more power than what Modi is accused of today and ofcourse ZERO Social media pressure.
Sure bro, I won't waste your time by producing a long essay. Just to state a single step that eclipses Modi's entire career is the introduction of LPG (Liberalization, Privatization and Globalization) policy under Narshima Rao of Congress in 1991 that steered India out from the pawns of IMF for good. Other steps include look east policy. Indira Gandhi has own achievements too but feel even above are enough for Modi to ponder his achievements in 10 years long tenure.
And how did congress and gandhis treat narsimha rao? His dead body wasn't allowed inside aicc headquarters because Sonia Gandhi didn't approve of it. Congress itself doesn't own Rao so what's the point of its supporters talking about his legacy.Sure bro, I won't waste your time by producing a long essay. Just to state a single step that eclipses Modi's entire career is the introduction of LPG (Liberalization, Privatization and Globalization) policy under Narshima Rao of Congress in 1991 that steered India out from the pawns of IMF for good. Other steps include look east policy. Indira Gandhi has own achievements too but feel even above are enough for Modi to ponder his achievements in 10 years long tenure.
LOL. Credit to the congress ecosystem for creating a narrative that gives them credit for doing something which was the only option left to fix a problem they had created themselves.Sure bro, I won't waste your time by producing a long essay. Just to state a single step that eclipses Modi's entire career is the introduction of LPG (Liberalization, Privatization and Globalization) policy under Narshima Rao of Congress in 1991 that steered India out from the pawns of IMF for good. Other steps include look east policy. Indira Gandhi has own achievements too but feel even above are enough for Modi to ponder his achievements in 10 years long tenure.
I remember that. Can't believe Congress stooped so low.And how did congress and gandhis treat narsimha rao? His dead body wasn't allowed inside aicc headquarters because Sonia Gandhi didn't approve of it. Congress itself doesn't own Rao so what's the point of its supporters talking about his legacy.
I remember that. Can't believe Congress stooped so low.
Yep that was unfortunate should not have done that with him.And how did congress and gandhis treat narsimha rao? His dead body wasn't allowed inside aicc headquarters because Sonia Gandhi didn't approve of it. Congress itself doesn't own Rao so what's the point of its supporters talking about his legacy.
Did Mahatma Gandhi and Sardar Patel act illegally when they removed the mosque in Somnath and built a temple there?
Its shocking that the people who believed and supported the right of Muslims to have a separate homeland in 1947 think that Hindus taking back some of their temples at their holiest sites is not correct.
Because this is not the thread for bojaxhiu. If you want arguments create a thread on her. You will regret it.
Every revolution started by doing something which was illegal, but proved to be right thing that had to be done.wow.. to clarify, you're saying the tearing down of a 500 year old mosque was perfectly legal .. and that incident didn't violate any indian laws or the Constitution ?
They are now squirming because BJP finally found a much better way to play the same game.
Every revolution started by doing something which was illegal, but proved to be right thing that had to be done.
Huh, which elected democracy was being overthrown here?Revolutions have nobler goals and involve the removal of a dictator, not an elected democracy. 1992 was an act of vandalism and destruction of property by extremist goons.
Huh, which elected democracy was being overthrown here?
Overthrowing symbols of oppression is a noble goal. If not for that act of resistance, the govts and courts and haters of hindus would have continued neglecting it.
wow.. to clarify, you're saying the tearing down of a 500 year old mosque was perfectly legal .. and that incident didn't violate any indian laws or the Constitution ?
I am not responsible for what you understand (or don't). Vigilantism happens when justice is denied. Justice delayed is justice denied. Should we have waited for a century more hoping for justice? From indian courts?Seems you keep contradicting yourself.
You just said you don't believe in govts and courts and that vigilantism is the way to go; that is tantamount to overthrowing of a democracy.
It seems only Hindu populace have rights in India.Not minoritiesThat it was allowed to exist after 1947 is the biggest violation of the rights of the Hindus.
Majority should have major rights. Minorities should behave if they want more concessions. Hindus despite being the majority, have been denied their rights for decades and they are fed up always making concessions. Now hindus don't care what others think of them.It seems only Hindu populace have rights in India.Not minorities
After observing your thoughts it's no more surprise why India is no more a secular country and their majority are happy with it.Majority should have major rights. Minorities should behave if they want more concessions. Hindus despite being the majority, have been denied their rights for decades and they are fed up always making concessions. Now hindus don't care what others think of them.
How come a country with majority hindus remained secular without the secular word added in the constitution?After observing your thoughts it's no more surprise why India is no more a secular country and their majority are happy with it.
Yes by secularism if you mean minority appeasement/pseudo secularism then you are correct India is no longer a secular country.After observing your thoughts it's no more surprise why India is no more a secular country and their majority are happy with it.
How come a country with majority hindus remained secular without the secular word added in the constitution?
Well guys, I am not making up things it's your own leaders across the parties who take pride in India's secular credentials and assertions.Yes by secularism if you mean minority appeasement/pseudo secularism then you are correct India is no longer a secular country.
If secularism was so good, Pakistan would be a secular country. But Pakistanis are wise and they know that Islamic laws are superior to secular laws. Indians are only beginning to get this wisdom, that secularism should be sent to the dustbin.Well guys, I am not making up things it's your own leaders across the parties who take pride in India's secular credentials and assertions.
That it was allowed to exist after 1947 is the biggest violation of the rights of the Hindus.
I dont know why but got a feeling like that Trump utter such like worded remarks. Like bluntly putting one's thought without mincing words.If secularism was so good, Pakistan would be a secular country. But Pakistanis are wise and they know that Islamic laws are superior to secular laws. Indians are only beginning to get this wisdom, that secularism should be sent to the dustbin.
Was the road blocking during farmer strikes legal or not? Answer this. Then you will get your answer.You ignored the question. So I'll ask again. Was the 1992 demolition a legal act or not ?
I only ask because every second post of yours on this forum is about how Indians will follow the law of their land and their Constitution and everybody else should mind their own business. Why the double standard now ?
Should we have waited for a century more hoping for justice? From indian courts?
Was the road blocking during farmer strikes legal or not? Answer this. Then you will get your answer.
And you think we care about getting praised from you. I have only this to answer:Yes, you should have waited for as long as it takes. There are 3 lakh cases pending in the Indian courts, you don't deserve any special treatment. You have to wait just like the others.
Instead your lot behaved like hooligans and tore down other people's property.
So farmers should not have protested as it was illegal. And they should have waited for 70 years from the court. They don't deserve any special treatment from the courts.It is illegal.
So farmers should not have protested as it was illegal. And they should have waited for 70 years from the court. They don't deserve any special treatment from the courts.
Right? LOL
I would have been embarrassed had you agreed with me.Farmers should have been arrested if they blocked the roads. This is not the killer argument that you think it is lol.
And you think we care about getting praised from you. I have only this to answer:
No regret. No repentance. No sorrow. No grief. Only Pride.
You ignored the question. So I'll ask again. Was the 1992 demolition a legal act or not ?
I only ask because every second post of yours on this forum is about how Indians will follow the law of their land and their Constitution and everybody else should mind their own business. Why the double standard now ?
Someone asked me in my office how i feel about Congress rejecting the invitation, I informed them first I’m not a congress supporter just because I criticise BJP second I think they did well because thry will not get the right wing votebank irrespective.Lol at sanghis to project it as some sort of treason by Congress.
I had no issue with conversions, except that it completely changes the persons ideology and loyalty. Suddenly a co-religionist from another country will be higher priority than someone closer at home but from wrong religion. Demography is destiny, and all religions except hindus understand it so well, while hindus are busy proving to others they are secular and liberal. It is a civilizational war, and yet more than half of hindus are under secular amnesia. Even good people like you forget that it was demography change which uprooted you from your ancestral land.I had no issue with Missionaries for years but now that so many of my friends and my acquaintances(Tamil and Punjabis) are blindly converting for flimsy reasons I do think Hindus and Sikhs should watch out.
We should maybe have a law where Dharmic religions can convert among Dharmic ones and Abrahamic among abrahamic ones this way everyone can be happy.
Worse thing is that the left wing + Muslim groups pretending that it was a Holy place and fighting tooth and nail blatantly refusing to accept any wrong doing .... and then you and other left wing bum buddies of your ilk lecturing on secularism.
bum buddies ? I thought you were telling me the other day that insults are unproductive to discussions.
As usual top post, you have criticised Congress in the past but here you acknowledge their contribution to the Indian state good or bad they were learning as well.The Indian National Congress may well now be a limp organisation, and there may not be much love for it on these pages, but whatever faults it has always had, it should not blind us to its remarkable history and its remarkable achievements. One of the world’s oldest political parties, it broke new ground: a nationalist party, established before other such parties in Africa and Asia. It played its part in moulding a sense of nationhood in an incredibly diverse country. Structurally it reached down to the villages. Over time and through a distinctive ‘struggle-truce-struggle’ strategy, it unsettled - mainly through peaceful means - colonial foundations of rule and thereby contributed to the eventual departure of Britain. It brought together many strands of nationalism and political thought. Even amongst its most celebrated figures, there is the socialist - in fabian mould - Nehru; the conservative believer in a strong state - Patel; and the ‘enlightened anarchist’ for whom the real locus of sovereignty was the individual and not the state - Gandhi. Perhaps most significantly, it made a successful transition from an oppositional nationalist force to a governing national party without dispensing with democracy. This was partly because it was an ‘umbrella’ party, a coalition of many locally influential individuals and home to many varied ideas, opinions and interests. As a virtual parliament in itself it was able to accommodate conflicting viewpoints, and therefore able to stabilise democracy and contain any threat of social upheaval.
The Indian National Congress may well now be a limp organisation, and there may not be much love for it on these pages, but whatever faults it has always had, it should not blind us to its remarkable history and its remarkable achievements. One of the world’s oldest political parties, it broke new ground: a nationalist party, established before other such parties in Africa and Asia. It played its part in moulding a sense of nationhood in an incredibly diverse country. Structurally it reached down to the villages. Over time and through a distinctive ‘struggle-truce-struggle’ strategy, it unsettled - mainly through peaceful means - colonial foundations of rule and thereby contributed to the eventual departure of Britain. It brought together many strands of nationalism and political thought. Even amongst its most celebrated figures, there is the socialist - in fabian mould - Nehru; the conservative believer in a strong state - Patel; and the ‘enlightened anarchist’ for whom the real locus of sovereignty was the individual and not the state - Gandhi. Perhaps most significantly, it made a successful transition from an oppositional nationalist force to a governing national party without dispensing with democracy. This was partly because it was an ‘umbrella’ party, a coalition of many locally influential individuals and home to many varied ideas, opinions and interests. As a virtual parliament in itself it was able to accommodate conflicting viewpoints, and therefore able to stabilise democracy and contain any threat of social upheaval.
The other half is that congress was just a petitioning body wanting some concessions from the british, till gandhi made it popular and a mass movement. Even then they were the last ones to demand independence. It was not till 1929 that gandhi's congress demanded independence.
What is also missing from your paean is how different opinions was crushed in gandhi's congress. Mohandas would throw tantrum and sulk whenever the party voted on something he didnt approve of.
Today's BJP is closer to the congress of 1947 than congress itself. Gandhi was against caste based categorization, today congress wants caste census and resources divided based on that. Nehru was against communal veto, today's congress supports veto of any small group and wants laws approved by parliament to be taken back if a minority vetoes it. Congress leaders (except nehru) included Hindu religion and motifs in their movement, today congress opposes it.
The latter.I saw Rahul Gandhi yesterday in hanuman's get up. Is he too going to follow BJP religion card to some extent in upcoming elections or was it just a rare one off sort incident.
So it's going to be the advocacy of hindu rights vs Indian(minorities included) rights campaign this season between BJP and Congress.The latter.
No one can beat them in their own game by imitating them.
I generally do not like liberal candidates. But, I hope Mr. Rahul Gandhi will win next time. All the very best to him.
Rahul Gandhi blows flying kisses to Modi supporters chanting 'Jai Shri Ram' during Bharat Jodo Nyay Yatra
Congress leader Rahul Gandhi on Sunday jumped out of his vehicle to greet ‘BJP and Modi supporters’ in Assam during his Bharat Jodo Nyay Yatra. The grand old party posted a video of the crowd chanting ‘Modi-Modi’, and ‘Jai Shree Ram’ with saffron flags on its official handle X (formerly Twitter).
In the visuals, Rahul Gandhi was seen blowing flying kisses at his rivals' supporters and asking the driver ‘Why don’t you stop here'. The driver immediately stopped the vehicle and Rahul Gandhi stepped down to greet them.
“Mohabbat ki dukaan is open for everyone, India will unite, and India will win," the Congress party wrote on the microblogging site while sharing the video.
The Assam leg of the Bharat Jodo Nyay Yatra began on January 18 and will continue till January 25, covering 17 districts of the northeast state.
Meanwhile, Rahul Gandhi was also mobbed at a roadside eatery in Assam's Nagaon district on Sunday evening. The incident took place when Gandhi and some other leaders stopped at the restaurant in Ambagan on their way to their night halt in Rupohi, about 10 km from the site.
The crowd raised slogans against the MP and also displayed placards with messages such as 'Anyay Yatra' and 'Rakibul go back', referring to Samaguri Congress MLA Rakibul Hussain.
Gandhi and other leaders were escorted out of the eatery by security personnel.
There was another incident of attack on vehicles of party workers returning from the rally, an eyewitness said, adding three members of the students' wing were admitted to hospital with serious injuries.
Earlier in the day, state Congress chief Bhupen Kumar Borah was assaulted and senior central leader Jairam Ramesh's car was attacked in two separate incidents in Sonitpur district, through which the Yatra entered Nagaon.
The Bharat Jodo Nyay Yatra, being led by Gandhi, reached the central Assam district earlier in the day. The leaders addressed a public rally in Kaliabor in the afternoon, in which Congress national president Mallikarjun Kharge was also present.
Source : NDTV
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After today, I don't think he will even be a PM candidate from India alliance. They don't want a failed product three times in a row. They will have some dummy guy contest against Modi this time. Rahul will be a contender in 2029 when Modi retires as PM and becomes President of India