Can someone enlighten me where these stats used in Mohammad Wasim's presentation are from?

[RedwoodOriginal]

I guess not everyone watched the press conference as closely as I did because I was especially stuck by this breakdown of Abdullah Shafique that was presented. It struck me because Abdullah Shafique has not even scored these many runs across formats in domestic cricket.

If this is the level of use of stats then I can't say I am particularly surprised that Tabish Khan is selected despite averaging 35 with the ball over the last two seasons.

 

[aloo paratha]

I think thee are second XI stats. Its extremely foolish to select players from 2nd XI performances.

 

[shah_1]

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I guess not everyone watched the press conference as closely as I did because I was especially stuck by this breakdown of Abdullah Shafique that was presented. It struck me because Abdullah Shafique has not even scored these many runs across formats in domestic cricket.

If this is the level of use of stats then I can't say I am particularly surprised that Tabish Khan is selected despite averaging 35 with the ball over the last two seasons.

2nd XI stats lol

 

[Rana]

I think thee are second XI stats. Its extremely foolish to select players from 2nd XI performances.

@bullet_drive suggested that the 2nd XI tracks were not as flat as the first XI tracks were. So you should give these stats a bit more weight

However I do agree, if this fails then he will be sent back to the Domestics for the next 10 years in the wilderness

 

[Varun]

Abdullah Shafique has marketing going for him and little else.

I predict he's going to be found out very soon in international cricket.

 

[MMHS]

I think thee are second XI stats. Its extremely foolish to select players from 2nd XI performances.

Don’t talk “nonsense” that goes against popular vibe

Abdullah is not likely to debut unless there is an injury crisis, but that selection instantly won some hearts.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think thee are second XI stats. Its extremely foolish to select players from 2nd XI performances.

2nd XI stats lol

So let me get this straight, we are selecting guys for the national team based on performances that are supposed to get you selected for QeA Trophy?

Bravo. That's all I can say.

 

[hitthestump]

Abdullah Shafique has marketing going for him and little else.

I predict he's going to be found out very soon in international cricket.

Soon we'll have every up and coming youngster posting their net sessions on twitter and telling everyone who'll listen that they get up for jogs at 5am.

Forget first class cricket because this is apparently all you need to play for Pakistan.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I have a problem with someone putting matches and runs on the same scale on a graph. Kinda obvious that runs are going to dwarf the matches, unless we are talking about Shan Masood.

 

[Barragan]

Abdullah Shafique has marketing going for him and little else.

I predict he's going to be found out very soon in international cricket.

I have to agree, he definitely has a huge backing from somewhere and is being picked based on 2nd XI performances, which is bizarre!

For all we know, he could massively flop at the highest level of FC.

Dodgy selection this one.

 

[mazkhan]

Abdullah shafique is the new shan masood

It will end in a disaster just like shan

 

[Third Man]

I have a problem with someone putting matches and runs on the same scale on a graph. Kinda obvious that runs are going to dwarf the matches, unless we are talking about Shan Masood.

Lol, yeah that's a stupid graph. I wonder what would it look like for someone who's made 10000+ runs

 

[gazza619]

Can we add the runs made in the garden?

Silly basis!

 

[Varun]

I have a problem with someone putting matches and runs on the same scale on a graph. Kinda obvious that runs are going to dwarf the matches, unless we are talking about Shan Masood.

It's one of those default Powerpoint graph features applied without giving too much thought.

 

[shady]

I have to agree, he definitely has a huge backing from somewhere and is being picked based on 2nd XI performances, which is bizarre!

For all we know, he could massively flop at the highest level of FC.

Dodgy selection this one.

Nothing dodgy about it, he scored a 100 on FC and T20 debut and showed good technique. The selectors have bought into that hype and are betting on him the way they did Naseem. Like Naseem he's probably not ready yet and will struggle but none of that suggests conspiracy on the part of the selectors.

 

[BreadPakoda]

It's one of those default Powerpoint graph features applied without giving too much thought.

On the contrary, I feel they have given it a good thought. E.g., they used a different graph for Harris Sohail, who has been dropped.

 

[Titan24]

2nd XI stats. Havent watched the press conference, should have given a disclaimer if he hasnt.

 

[Titan24]

1 century is from his debut FC match and 2 are from 2nd XI. Scored 545 runs in 6 2nd XI matches @68 including 2 centuries (1 double) and 133 debut FC innings.

 

[aloo paratha]

So let me get this straight, we are selecting guys for the national team based on performances that are supposed to get you selected for QeA Trophy?

Bravo. That's all I can say.

I agree with you here. Very foolish. he's not gonna play though so I guess it's not that big of a deal.

 

[aloo paratha]

Don’t talk “nonsense” that goes against popular vibe ��

Abdullah is not likely to debut unless there is an injury crisis, but that selection instantly won some hearts.

I know he won't play that's why I'm indifferent to it. Now if this series was in November or December, I would be mad because Abdullah could've been playing FC cricket. But right now the domestic season is almost over so it hardly makes a difference.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I hope to god he doesn’t debut, this has to be a completely fringe selection... right?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I know he won't play that's why I'm indifferent to it. Now if this series was in November or December, I would be mad because Abdullah could've been playing FC cricket. But right now the domestic season is almost over so it hardly makes a difference.

I would still want him to play List A. Better than t20.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Beyond numbers and stats, IF Abdullah Shafiq has that talent, that an expert eye of a genuine selector can identify, then I am all up for it.

We have this tradition for picking up diamonds in the dust. There is nothing in this.

 

[Barragan]

Nothing dodgy about it, he scored a 100 on FC and T20 debut and showed good technique. The selectors have bought into that hype and are betting on him the way they did Naseem. Like Naseem he's probably not ready yet and will struggle but none of that suggests conspiracy on the part of the selectors.

Huge difference between batting talent and bowling talents.

You can't just turn up to intl. cricket with 1 century in one FC game or a T20 game and expect to be selected.

Batting is about practice, learning your strengths and weaknesses.

As for a bowler, if they have the height, skills and intelligence (a young Amir), then you can at least turn up to intl. cricket and use those talents to quickly learn, whilst being good enough to take wickets through your skills.

 

[shady]

Huge difference between batting talent and bowling talents.

You can't just turn up to intl. cricket with 1 century in one FC game or a T20 game and expect to be selected.

Batting is about practice, learning your strengths and weaknesses.

As for a bowler, if they have the height, skills and intelligence (a young Amir), then you can at least turn up to intl. cricket and use those talents to quickly learn, whilst being good enough to take wickets through your skills.

I'm not arguing that he'll succeed, I just don't see anything suspicious about his selection.

 

[Finisher]

Huge difference between batting talent and bowling talents.

You can't just turn up to intl. cricket with 1 century in one FC game or a T20 game and expect to be selected.

Batting is about practice, learning your strengths and weaknesses.

As for a bowler, if they have the height, skills and intelligence (a young Amir), then you can at least turn up to intl. cricket and use those talents to quickly learn, whilst being good enough to take wickets through your skills.

Amir had a full season of FC cricket and around 50 wickets before he got selected
I remember reading a interview before Amir had played first class cricket, Wasim Akram spotted him at a training camp and said he was ready to play for Pakistan

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Very cheeky from Mohammad Wasim

 

[moghul]

So let me get this straight, we are selecting guys for the national team based on performances that are supposed to get you selected for QeA Trophy?

Bravo. That's all I can say.

Yes, and we are selecting a fast bowler for TEST, based upon his performance in Big Bash league . I'm impressed.

 

[moghul]

Huge difference between batting talent and bowling talents.

You can't just turn up to intl. cricket with 1 century in one FC game or a T20 game and expect to be selected.

Batting is about practice, learning your strengths and weaknesses.

As for a bowler, if they have the height, skills and intelligence (a young Amir), then you can at least turn up to intl. cricket and use those talents to quickly learn, whilst being good enough to take wickets through your skills.

Not everyone possesses and eye for talent like IK, who picked Waqar, Akram and Aqib after spotting talent in them.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Abdullah is only selected to make sure his confidence is retained after what Misbah did to him and that he is still seen as an upcoming prodigy who is in the long term plans.

He wont be debuting at all, not for a while.

 

[Varun]

Abdullah is only selected to make sure his confidence is retained after what Misbah did to him and that he is still seen as an upcoming prodigy who is in the long term plans.

He wont be debuting at all, not for a while.

Looks like you've fallen for his Twitter handle PR as well.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Looks like you've fallen for his Twitter handle PR as well.

I dont need to.

 

[MenInG]

Wasim made it clear that Abdullah's selection was for potential rather than just numbers - as was Haris Rauf.

 

[Varun]

I dont need to.

Why, what else is there to go on? His gargatuan 1 FC and 1 List A game he has played so far?

As bad a selection as Naseem Shah.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Why, what else is there to go on? His gargatuan 1 FC and 1 List A game he has played so far?

As bad a selection as Naseem Shah.

He shouldn't have been selected on the tour of NZ.
He had only showed potential till then, and as you said, had very little body of work to fall back on.

However, Misbah just acted like himself and played him in totally alien conditions in a format he is ill suited to.

He got 2 ducks, then got dropped for the 3rd game, and this tour also costed him a PSL gig.

Therefore, with all of this taken into context, i believe that selecting him in a token 20 man squad makes sense in order to communicate it to him that the system has him in the plans going forward, and that he hasn't been cast aside because of Misbah's ineptitude.

 

[sam_ahm]

I have a problem with someone putting matches and runs on the same scale on a graph. Kinda obvious that runs are going to dwarf the matches, unless we are talking about Shan Masood.

Haha.. True, that was my first thought as well when I saw these graphs. Quite a poor way of representation.

 

[Red Devil]

Looks like you've fallen for his Twitter handle PR as well.

Have you seen him bat?

 

[Varun]

Have you seen him bat?

The problem is that he's given very few people the opportunity to do so.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Wasim made it clear that Abdullah's selection was for potential rather than just numbers - as was Haris Rauf.

Seemed a little strange for him to be using numbers to justify his selection in the PC.

 

[Red Devil]

The problem is that he's given very few people the opportunity to do so.

Not those who actually follow domestic cricket. He's definitely a very promising prospect.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Abdullah Shafique has marketing going for him and little else.

I predict he's going to be found out very soon in international cricket.

He will get found out very soon.

Haider, despite having more technical flaws, looks a better prospect than Abdullah Shafique.

 

[Markhor]

Mohammad Wasim is trying to salvage Shafiq's confidence after the disaster in NZL and missing out on the PSL thanks to Misbah foolishly rushing him into internationals.

Gives him more time to work YK too. Doubt he'll make the final 16 though.

 

[MMHS]

He has tried something new, which must be appreciated. It’s always easier to have some numbers as talking point rather than reading out names and randomly talk about talent, potential & combinations. However, he should have used a foot note here that Abdullah’s stats are based on 2nd XI games, his only FC game consists of a debut hundred.

It’s a good start for sure - any documented presentation makes the anchor accountable and honest. Gradually, he can add slides on strength of the players picked (& weaknesses of few surprising exclusions), squad combination, tactical pick-ups .... it can be a very good trend setter. Obviously, PAK press has to play their part as well, which to be honest has fallen quite a bit from the days of Omer Quraishi....

 

[Bullet Drive]

Looks like you've fallen for his Twitter handle PR as well.

Instead of looking at Twitter, how about you watch some Pakistan domestic cricket before you comment.

This isn't a batsman found off the street.

 

[Varun]

Not those who actually follow domestic cricket. He's definitely a very promising prospect.

Like I listed, he has played 1 FC and 1 LA game. So even if you follow domestic cricket, how much more are you watching? Are second XI games televised?

Just say it: you fell for that choreographed 7-second pull shot on his Twitter timeline.

 

[Shafi]

He has tried something new, which must be appreciated. It’s always easier to have some numbers as talking point rather than reading out names and randomly talk about talent, potential & combinations. However, he should have used a foot note here that Abdullah’s stats are based on 2nd XI games, his only FC game consists of a debut hundred.

It’s a good start for sure - any documented presentation makes the anchor accountable and honest. Gradually, he can add slides on strength of the players picked (& weaknesses of few surprising exclusions), squad combination, tactical pick-ups .... it can be a very good trend setter. Obviously, PAK press has to play their part as well, which to be honest has fallen quite a bit from the days of Omer Quraishi....

According to journalist its just copy and paste from internet, who was openly attacking Wasim for dropping Imam.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I have a problem with someone putting matches and runs on the same scale on a graph. Kinda obvious that runs are going to dwarf the matches, unless we are talking about Shan Masood.

haha funny comment. Quite apt too.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

According to a journalist its just copy and paste from internet, who was openly attacking Wasim for dropping Imam.

My friend all stats are copy pasted. That’s how stats work. You look up the database and repository and identify the relevant stats then copy those and funnel them into a chart that makes for easy viewing.

Of course it’s copy and paste, and thank god Wasim knows how to do so.

 

[Red Devil]

Like I listed, he has played 1 FC and 1 LA game. So even if you follow domestic cricket, how much more are you watching? Are second XI games televised?

Just say it: you fell for that choreographed 7-second pull shot on his Twitter timeline.

Lol I don't even follow him on Twitter.

Watched him in the National T20 Cup where he looked really good; easily one of the best batsmen on show. He's a technically solid player who has scored runs at almost every level in his career. His potential is undeniable.

 

[Napa]

I have a problem with someone putting matches and runs on the same scale on a graph. Kinda obvious that runs are going to dwarf the matches, unless we are talking about Shan Masood.

You are a math purist. A man after my own heart!

The Shan Masood jibe was also gold.

I seem to remember giving you some advice about MBA or post-MBA. Hope it worked out well.

 

[BreadPakoda]

You are a math purist. A man after my own heart!

The Shan Masood jibe was also gold.

I seem to remember giving you some advice about MBA or post-MBA. Hope it worked out well.

Thanks man. Yes, worked out well. Just a few months of MBA left.