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Can Steve Smith surpass Ricky Ponting?

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Everyone talks about Bradman but it’s difficult to make serious comparisons with a player from that era with a modern day player.

Ricky Ponting is recognised one of Australia’s best batters. I think this more of a fair comparison as most of the cricketing world have seen both play. Ponting had a devastating peak. We are currently seeing the peak of Steve Smith. Is it possible that Steve Smith surpasses Ponting?

Discuss....
 
Smith already surpassed Ponting in Test. Smith is the best Aussie Test batsman since Donald Bradman.

However, Ponting was much better in ODI. Smith is average in LOI formats.
 
all depends on how he deals with diminishing natural ability as he ages.

ponting averaged 60 after more than 100 tests, dravid and tendu about 58 after 100.

even viv averaged about 60 when he was thirty, although to his credit his record didnt involve any minnow bashing like the others ive mentioned.

if he ends his career with a 60+ average he'll clearly be the second best batsman of all time.
 
He already did in test. Smith had a GOAT series in India, when Ashwin was no.1 and Jadeja was the no.2 bowler in test ranking. While Ponting was a bunny against debutante Harbajan.

Smith has a shot at being the second greatest test batsman of all time. Ponting wasn't even the second best for most of his career.
 
Smith has surpassed him in Tests, overall I'd still take Ponting.
 
Long way to go, Ponting by 2007 looked invincible and set to reach GOAT status, but then declined massively. It happens to everybody but to what extent? Best to limit discussions to his peers, there he comes out on top and will be regarded as the greatest test batsman post 2010.
 
To be honest Smith is better than Bradman , considering the variety of pitches and oppositions he has faced.
 
Is this even a comparison? Ponting was a walking wicket in india. Smith doesn't have any such weakness.
 
Smith is better than punter. Even if his form dips in last 2 or 3 years he should still be fantastic player of this era. I hope he continues his form for atleast next 5 years.
 
Ponting batted in strongest team worldcricket has seen while smith is playing with one of the worst aus test side we have ever seen.
 
Smith is a level superior to Ponting in tests.

Smith scores big and score consistently.

Smith also scores in all conditions and against all kinds of attack.

Smith also scores runs for his team when matters.

Overall, he is a certain no.2 from Australia of all-time.
 
Ponting hurt himself big time by dragging his career to long but he did it because the batting stocks were very poor at the end of his career. Similar to Hashim Amlas situation with SA right now
 
In tests yes. But in ODI no. Ponting bad ability to dominate bowling attacks and take match away single handedly in ODI. Smith is more of a gritty type bat who will get your team to a fighting total to give them a chance.

In tests with time we will get an answer, if he continues to play the way he is playing right now, he will surely surpass Ponting.
 
Is this even a comparison? Ponting was a walking wicket in india. Smith doesn't have any such weakness.
Smith performing in tough conditions in India is a myth, the man had more than half a dozen chances in his 100 on the turner he led Aus to victory in. It was comical by the end.

Lost every other match in that series.
 
In Tests, he has surpassed him. I can now say it with confidence that I have personally never seen a better Test batsman than Smith.

In ODIs, Ponting will always be several notches above him.
 
Smith is doing better than any one else in tests for the era he plays in. But to place him above Ponting is a bit premature as of now. Ponting was averaging at around 59 even after scoring 10000+ runs. That too facing '1 or 2 level' superior quality level bowling in general.

Smith is at his peak. Players like Gavaskar, Dravid,Ponting,Sehwag,Viv Richards all regressed a lot in the final few years of their career.Smith is more of a 'hand eye coordination' player with lesser technique than most in the above said list. So it would be interesting to follow as to how he would perform once he surpasses 35 years of age.Hence it is premature to place him above Ponting.

In ODIs , it is a no contest though. Ponting is an undisputed great in this format while Smith is way off.
 
To be honest Smith is better than Bradman , considering the variety of pitches and oppositions he has faced.

He played on less variety of pitches than Bradman. Modern wickets are in the main pretty dead with a few slow turners and slow seamers here and there. Bradman faced more variety during a tour of England than Smith has faced in his career - fliers, bunsens and stickies in addition to the type of green seamer you never see today.

Anyway the impressively Bradmanesque thing about Smith is that it seems impossible to set a field for him. Whatever field is set he just hits in into a gap somewhere else. And he averages close to 100 in the first innings of his last 35 tests, doing the damage up front where it counts, like Steve Waugh.
 
Smith is doing better than any one else in tests for the era he plays in. But to place him above Ponting is a bit premature as of now. Ponting was averaging at around 59 even after scoring 10000+ runs. That too facing '1 or 2 level' superior quality level bowling in general.

Smith is at his peak. Players like Gavaskar, Dravid,Ponting,Sehwag,Viv Richards all regressed a lot in the final few years of their career.Smith is more of a 'hand eye coordination' player with lesser technique than most in the above said list. So it would be interesting to follow as to how he would perform once he surpasses 35 years of age.Hence it is premature to place him above Ponting.

In ODIs , it is a no contest though. Ponting is an undisputed great in this format while Smith is way off.

Aussie and English players don't hang around much later than 35 anyways. Smith will probably retire in his mid 30's as well.
 
SMH at everyone saying Smith is better than Bradman. If it was that easy to average 100 why wasn't everyone doing it then? The fact that he was averaging 40+ runs better than the next best guy should really tell you that Bradman will always be the GOAT. Smith is great though I love watching him bat in Tests. The second best test batsman ever I'd say.
 
Smith performing in tough conditions in India is a myth, the man had more than half a dozen chances in his 100 on the turner he led Aus to victory in. It was comical by the end.

Lost every other match in that series.

So was kohli dropped in first test of england. So we should call it myth as well? Kohli has just 1 match winning ton in SENA country if i am not wrong.
 
As a specialist batsman, Smith averages 65 in 60 matches over 5 years. Ponting in a similar 5 year period circa 02-06 averaged 72.
I'd rate Smith's peak on par with Ponting's despite averaging 7 runs lesser due to higher quality attacks he faced. Ponting has played an additional 11 years and done well. I'd rank him above Ponting if he can average 65+ for the next 3-4 years or so.
Right now, it is premature to say, Smith has surpassed Ponting.
 
smith is at his peak. Players like gavaskar, dravid,ponting,sehwag,viv richards all regressed a lot in the final few years of their career.smith is more of a 'hand eye coordination' player with lesser technique than most in the above said list. So it would be interesting to follow as to how he would perform once he surpasses 35 years of age.hence it is premature to place him above ponting.

In odis , it is a no contest though. Ponting is an undisputed great in this format while smith is way off.

awta.
 
Aussie and English players don't hang around much later than 35 anyways. Smith will probably retire in his mid 30's as well.

Ponting,Border,S.Waugh,Hayden,M.Waugh all played way past 35 to 'around or beyond 38'. So that is not the general trend.
 
So was kohli dropped in first test of england. So we should call it myth as well? Kohli has just 1 match winning ton in SENA country if i am not wrong.
Sachin tendulkar has two
Dravid has two
Younis has two
Gavaskar has 2.
Match winning century in Sena conditions is rare.
 
So was kohli dropped in first test of england. So we should call it myth as well? Kohli has just 1 match winning ton in SENA country if i am not wrong.

Being dropped once isn't comparable to the number of times Smith was dropped during his 100. India let go of an absurd amount of chances that game.

With the amount of luck and chances he had that game, any batsmen would have scored a century.
 
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Smith performing in tough conditions in India is a myth, the man had more than half a dozen chances in his 100 on the turner he led Aus to victory in. It was comical by the end.

Lost every other match in that series.

Whether team won or not does not matter we aren't comparing their captaincy its their batting. Also 1 innings doesn't change too much, he has 3 centuries and a 90 in india and averages 60 vs Ponting who has no centuries and averages a whopping 26.
 
Being dropped once isn't comparable to the number of times Smith was dropped during his 100. India let go of an absurd amount of chances that game.

With the amount of luck and chances he had that game, any batsmen would have scored a century.

Do you have any idea how many chances Shewag got when he made his 300 in Multan?

Do you know how many chances Sachin had in his innings in the semi-finals against us?

Please make up your mind - either chances are part of game and do not make a batsman inferior or if a batsman gives a chance during his innings, he is not good enough.
 
Ponting,Border,S.Waugh,Hayden,M.Waugh all played way past 35 to 'around or beyond 38'. So that is not the general trend.

It is the average age of retirement for sportsmen in Australia is about 36 iirc a couple guys playing a few years beyond that doesn't change that.
 
Do you have any idea how many chances Shewag got when he made his 300 in Multan?

Do you know how many chances Sachin had in his innings in the semi-finals against us?

Please make up your mind - either chances are part of game and do not make a batsman inferior or if a batsman gives a chance during his innings, he is not good enough.
If that were the case, why does no one talk about Sachin's 80 against Pakistan in the SF? It was a bad innings with so many lives.
 
The 1 year suspension might end up help Smith by prolonging his career. 1 year was a much vaunted rest for a guy who had been playing non stop cricket for 5 years.
 
Kohli is on his way to surpassing Ponting.

Smith has long since passed that barrier. He is now merely setting up camp as 2nd best batsman in Test history
 
Smith's numbers are remarkable but if we take into account batting position, opposition and pitches, Ponting is better. The case is made even stronger if one actually decides to watch the two men bat. Ponting had strokes that could be played all around the park, was fun to watch and technically excellent. SMith can grind and his strokes are ugly, none of them make him a bad batsman, he may well be Australia's 3rd or 4th best test batsman but he is no Ponting.
 
What do people think now. Saw this debate on another thread and remembered I made a thread on it. @Ab Fab [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]
 
Already had, and no change

Of the three main overseas nations; Ind, SA and Eng Smith is much better in 1 of them, and miles better in another
Much more clutch as well generally
 
Lol, not even close.

Pointing can be argued > Kohli.

Pointing was Australia 's best batsmen and was smashing 150+ scores in the one ball era with harsh pp rules.

If he played in this era he'd be averaging 60+ and would be scoring 100 scores left and right. Same with Sachin lol.

Smith is never reach Pointing caliber.

However Smith in prime specifically 2015 is defo the best Australian batsmen aus had in years. He was defo the best no 3 after Kohli a few years ago
 
Steve Smith's role in T20I lineup a puzzle as Australia's T20 World Cup plans take shape

Australia’s T20I captain Mitchell Marsh confirmed a solid top-order for the upcoming assignment against New Zealand, hinting potential adjustments in the middle order while also casting doubt on Steve Smith's role.

Marsh confirmed that the experienced duo of David Warner and Travis Head would open the batting for them in the three-match T20I series against New Zealand while he would take the No.3 position.

However, while admitting that "our top order is pretty set," Marsh did not confirm their middle-order equation.

"You'll have to find out, we'll announce our team at the toss," Marsh commented on Glenn Maxwell's and Smith's batting positions against New Zealand. "There will be certain guys that probably bat in different positions than they have done in the past, but ultimately we're here to win the series,” he added.

"I've batted (at) three for the last 18 months, so I'll be there to start with. And obviously Heady and Davey Warner have been amazing for us over the last period of time, so I daresay that will be the top three.”

Australia have wicket-keeper batters in Josh Inglis and Matthew Wade to take up the middle-order slots. However, Wade would be unavailable for the start of the New Zealand series due to the birth of his third child and is expected to join the squad for the final two games.

Glenn Maxwell blasted an astonishing double century to guide Australia to a stirring triumph over Afghanistan at the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2023

Meanwhile, in the middle order, Australia also boasts power hitters like Tim David and Maxwell, raising questions about where to position Smith.

“I think players like Tim (David) are a rarity, and it (number six) is probably the hardest role within T20 cricket. We're lucky to have him. He's become a phenomenal player in that role and there's no doubt he's going to play a big part for us,” Marsh admitted.

Marsh, who hasn't formally succeeded Aaron Finch as Australia's T20I captain, leading them on a series-by-series basis, jokingly expressed anticipation for a chance to assert authority over his Test and ODI skipper Pat Cummins.

"I can't wait to tell him what to do," said Marsh about leading the squad which includes Cummins. "I'm normally filling in for his press conferences when he's had enough, so I'll get him back at some stage.

"But I also feel pretty lucky to have somebody like Pat as another leader within our group to fall back on, and the experienced heads we've got that will help me in certain times throughout this series.”

With the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2024 in June fast approaching, Marsh emphasized the significance of having the likes of Cummins, Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood in the T20I mix.

"I just think their experience (Cummins and Starc), certainly at this level and the three of them (with Hazlewood) work together so well. We're lucky to have those guys back. Over the international schedule you don't see those guys play a lot of T20 international cricket together so to have them back and building towards a World Cup is great."

The three-match T20I series in New Zealand begins on Wednesday, 21 February, with the first match scheduled to be played in Wellington while the last two are slated to be played in Auckland.

Source: ICC
 
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