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I get a feeling that Kohli will be the next tedulkar like figure in india & pujara will take dravids place.. Pujara's better test achievements too will be sidelined by kohli's overall record .... co-incidently bat at those numbs itself :O
 
Haripotter said:
I get a feeling that Kohli will be the next tedulkar like figure in india & pujara will take dravids place.. Pujara's better test achievements too will be sidelined by kohli's overall record .... co-incidently bat at those numbs itself :O
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This may end up happening... But reality is that Pujara is much better batsman than Kholi... When I saw his innings in Mumbai against England on rank turner (Eng had better spinners than India), I thought he was special talent... Today he played an immense innings. I have not seen Asian batsmen play so well on wanders with such a authority... He was 9(61) than made 100 (180), planned his innings magnificently, great temperament and skill!!!

If he remains fit, he will go to big places... India batting future is as good as ever!!!
 
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He wasn't a FTB before as well. He was scoring 200s in England for fun when he was the captain of A team. India brought him late. He was ready before as well.
 
Pujara and Kohli were bound to succeed overseas as both of them did extremely well on A tours. Kohli was one of the top players when Indian team won the emerging players trophy in 2008 and Pujara has been scoring hundreds for fun everywhere he has traveled with the A team. So it was only matter of time before these two succeeded at the international level.
 
IMO, they will both turn out to be great by the time their respective careers are done and dusted.
In the meantime, when (they always do) their performance will take a hit due to injuries or out of form or even bad decisions, vultures will be out in full numbers to discount their talent and achievements, and they'll suddenly become FTB's or lucky till the time they find their mojo again and shut away their critics.
 
Cheteshwar Pujara

Possibly a future great who will average above 60 in Test cricket. I think. Period.
 
zabalestmsm said:
Possibly a future great who will average above 60 in Test cricket. I think. Period.
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Some batsmen in past started with a bang as well but it's extremely difficult to maintain 60+ average in modern world. Due to video clips, oppositions will zero in on any weakness and exploit it to full extent.
 
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Both Pujara and Kohli have strong back foot games.

Combine that with the fact that they know where their off stump is exactly.

Looking at their batting, we can see how many deliveries they left alone which were very close to off stump. A lot of batsmen would play at them who are unsure of where their off stump is. This allowed both Kohli and Pujara to frustrate bowlers by leaving deliveries which fetched a lot of wickets to Philander and Steyn.
 
mithun_minhas said:
Both Pujara and Kohli have strong back foot games.

Combine that with the fact that they know where their off stump is exactly.

Looking at their batting, we can see how many deliveries they left alone which were very close to off stump. A lot of batsmen would play at them who are unsure of where their off stump is. This allowed both Kohli and Pujara to frustrate bowlers by leaving deliveries which fetched a lot of wickets to Philander and Steyn.
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Is the thing that sets them apart from the other FTB Indian batsmen who rack up scores at home and cant score away. They can handle it when it bounces, Pujara is better at it than Kohli for mine but both are fairly complete batters.
 
Random Aussie said:
Is the thing that sets them apart from the other FTB Indian batsmen who rack up scores at home and cant score away. They can handle it when it bounces, Pujara is better at it than Kohli for mine but both are fairly complete batters.
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Agreed.

Rohit also has good back foot game. The problem for him is that he is not sure where his off stump is on many occasions. He pokes at deliveries wich are close to the off stump.

Unless Rohit improves on that, he will be a FTB and a notch below Pujara and Kohli.
 
mithun_minhas said:
Agreed.

Rohit also has good back foot game. The problem for him is that he is not sure where his off stump is on many occasions. He pokes at deliveries wich are close to the off stump.

Unless Rohit improves on that, he will be a FTB and a notch below Pujara and Kohli.
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Well he has all the tools, technically but not mentally.
 
Solid Player with a compact technique (still not on par with Dravid's Technique) but a good-find for India
 
I am not talking based on this one game,but whatever he has done in intl cricket till now and fc cricket as well.
I will be very suprised if pujara does not go on to become an ATG.
 
India is blessed to have two players who can play abroad as well as they do at home. I am delighted...But ATGs? At this phase of their career which has barely started? Oh puhleeze!
 
dani2k said:
India is blessed to have two players who can play abroad as well as they do at home. I am delighted...But ATGs? At this phase of their career which has barely started? Oh puhleeze!
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That's why I said future ATG.
Many people would have shot down those people who called sachin an atg before his career completely blossomed,but we know what happened then right!
These predictions are bound to arise.
 
Looks like a very very hard player to get out. Bradmanesque stuff at the moment from him.
 
It's amazing how India churns out good batsman after batsman, just like the case with pakistan and it's bowlers.
 
Looks to have everything, technique, temprament and ability to score on away venues. Future ATG in the making. Great find!
 
Too early to call him ATG or even great, He is having good run at the moment.
Needs lots to prove yet.
But he is trying his best & we are happy with that.
 
Where do Indians get these batsmen? We should have a trade every few years.
 
^^ Absolutely! I think that is the biggest contribution the little master has left for Indian cricket. I hope the Virats and Pujaras carry that legacy forward to hand over when they retire.
 
:sachin would be feeling so proud of these little stars filling his shoes in Indian cricket.
 
When will people ever understand the distinction between a loose payjama and a lost opportunity.
 
sunnykhan said:
I am a fan of both... but PPers labeling them future ATG etc etc after one century in SA is really laughable :)). They just need to hold and see how they progress.
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Sometimes a little foresight is all you need.

Pujara has amazing technique and unflappable temperament. There's no case against him.

People would have put Tendulkar and Ponting down to when they were hyped up in their youth.

Why is it so hard to understand that great players come and go?
 
^ I have no doubt he'll be an Indian great.

As you've said he's mentally strong and possess a fantastic technique.

I don't know how we're going to get him out, green wicket or not :S
 
Aman said:
^ I have no doubt he'll be an Indian great.

As you've said he's mentally strong and possess a fantastic technique.

I don't know how we're going to get him out, green wicket or not :S
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I love Boult. My favorite young bowler. It will be a great contest between the two but Pujara is likely to come on top because of the confidence he has gained by destroying Steyn.
 
I genuinely 't think Steyn has not bowled well to the Indians. A lot of it has to do with the fact wickets have come so easy to him in the last couple of seasons that he has forgotten his plan B and with the Indians leaving him so well he has got frustrated and actually lost his bowling discipline and thus not even doing his basics properly.I feel Boult and Southee will challenge India especially if NZL leaves some grass.
 
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Mamoon_ said:
I love Boult. My favorite young bowler. It will be a great contest between the two but Pujara is likely to come on top because of the confidence he has gained by destroying Steyn.
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He's the Kiwi Amir :)
 
Southee IMO is better than Boult even though he lacks the variety that Boult offers.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Totally opposite. Amir was special, Pujara is just a hard worker. Amir was flashy, Pujara is calm. Amir was a cheat, Pujara is loyal.
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Pujara is a special talent. Has been scoring heavily for the last 1 year. Probably the best young bat around. Even if Amir wasn't banned, we can never be sure he would have turned out to be something special. Could've been a wasted talent for all we know.
 
Pujara should be groomed straight away as Test Opener in this early days. India over the history has struggled to produce good opening batsmen (in Test Matches). We can only say Sunil Gavaskar was probably our lone good opener in Test Matches.

Instead of searching for these openers (changing them every time) it would be better if someone from the the middle order is groomed as opener. We could have done this with Dravid. Dravid's style was more or less like an opening batsman (playing the new ball well and solid defense). When we tried to realize this and asked him to "open" sometime in the middle of the career, it was too late, and his mind/psyche was not synching properly to that role (though he tried his best).

Hence, now it is important to not repeat the same mistake. We are seeing Pujara in the same mode. So it will be really good if he is straight away asked to open the innings for India in test matches, and give him a long run in it. He may fail (or may not) in the starting days. It can hamper his average. But we should remember that this is for the team's benefit on the long run. And I am sure he has in him to achieve "big" even as an opener. Maybe his average can come down by some 5 runs. But he will get a better reward ("opener" of Indian Team) in bargain. And why think negatively! He may score more runs as an opener with more time on the crease (who knows).

Hope the Indian Team management thinks creatively in this regard and make this observation quickly. If at least one opener is settled, we can work around with the other.

Since Pujara has no career prospects in ODI/T20, he can take up this additional responsibility in Test Matches. With this, he might even open his doors for ODI/T20 actually (we may need such solid openers for even ODI/T20 outside sub-continent)

Kohli can actually come at No.3 (as he is doing in ODIs). We are better of searching for newer batsmen in the middle order than not settling the opening department. There are some promising batsmem for middle order. Let's start giving them chances....

If middle order players are groomed to openers in ODIs (like Rohit - Nohit Sharma recently), then why not we can do the same in Test Matches?
 
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^ The best batsman of the test team normally plays at no 3 and some times at no 4. No need to push up Pujara as an opener. The opener's job is not to average 50 or 60, though it would be bonus if it happens. The opener's primary job is to protect the best batsman in team from having to take on most of the new ball and unsettle or blunt fresh bowlers.
 
IndianWillow said:
^ The best batsman of the test team normally plays at no 3 and some times at no 4. No need to push up Pujara as an opener. The opener's job is not to average 50 or 60, though it would be bonus if it happens. The opener's primary job is to protect the best batsman in team from having to take on most of the new ball and unsettle or blunt fresh bowlers.
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We don't need best batsmen in the team! We have had enough of Dravids and Sachins! (Even a guy like Sehwag made merry as a batsman in Indian team). So enough of Best Batsmen with 50s averages, we want best team with some wins abroad!

I don't see anything wrong with Pujara opening. He is anyhow virtually doing it (Vijay/Dhawan are likely to get out within 5 overs - 19 out of 20 innings). Its just a mental thing (which I felt could be sort out in the early part of the career, as I gave Dravid's example).

And it doesn't make any difference in sub-continent. He can actually make more runs with new ball in sub-continent.

I am sick of these "best batsmen 50-60 average record" concept anymore! We need proper team.

Even after all these records, these guys are anyhow getting criticized. Like Sachin is called as lesser match-winner compared to Lara and Dravid lesser solid-batsman compared to Kallis. So what's the use of these individual records? Its better we have proper team. Records will follow automatically.
 
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RamLakhan said:
We don't need best batsmen in the team! We have had enough of Dravids and Sachins! (Even a guy like Sehwag made merry as a batsman in Indian team). So enough of Best Batsmen with 50s averages, we want best team with some wins abroad!

I don't see anything wrong with Pujara opening. He is anyhow virtually doing it (Vijay/Dhawan are likely to get out within 5 overs - 19 out of 20 innings). Its just a mental thing (which I felt could be sort out in the early part of the career, as I gave Dravid's example).

And it doesn't make any difference in sub-continent. He can actually make more runs with new ball in sub-continent.

I am sick of these "best batsmen 50-60 average record" concept anymore! We need proper team.

Even after all these records, these guys are anyhow getting criticized. Like Sachin is called as lesser match-winner compared to Lara and Dravid lesser solid-batsman compared to Kallis. So what's the use of these individual records? Its better we have proper team. Records will follow automatically.
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To have a proper team, we need 3 world class pacers and 1 spinner. Not a past it Zak and useless Ishant. Bowlers are much bigger matchwinners than batsmen. And btw Sehwag was one of our biggest matchwinners. Can't fault the Indian batting for the rubbish minnow-esque bowling.
 
RamLakhan said:
We don't need best batsmen in the team! We have had enough of Dravids and Sachins! (Even a guy like Sehwag made merry as a batsman in Indian team). So enough of Best Batsmen with 50s averages, we want best team with some wins abroad!

I don't see anything wrong with Pujara opening. He is anyhow virtually doing it (Vijay/Dhawan are likely to get out within 5 overs - 19 out of 20 innings). Its just a mental thing (which I felt could be sort out in the early part of the career, as I gave Dravid's example).

And it doesn't make any difference in sub-continent. He can actually make more runs with new ball in sub-continent.

I am sick of these "best batsmen 50-60 average record" concept anymore! We need proper team.

Even after all these records, these guys are anyhow getting criticized. Like Sachin is called as lesser match-winner compared to Lara and Dravid lesser solid-batsman compared to Kallis. So what's the use of these individual records? Its better we have proper team. Records will follow automatically.
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Somebody will be the best batsman in the team, no matter what you think. And at present it is Pujara - and he will be suited for no 3. Openers are specialist positions - we need to find a pair as reliable as Gambhir/Sehwag at their peak. If Vijay/Dhawan can do that, then it will do. Best batsmen of any era have averaged 50-60, there have been no exceptions whatsoever except for one freak called Bradman.
 
Indian batting will never be embarrassed as long as Pujara is in! No better compliment #CheFTW
 
Ever since his return to international cricket, Pujara has scored 1483 runs in 14 matches at an average of 82. 6 hundreds, 2 double tons..
 
Gun batsman!An absolute gun!
feel kinda sorry that he is in a team full of lulloo bowlers and how much ever he does for the team is negated by our useless trundlers :facepalm:
 
Naah.. Dont think so.... :msd
 

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Fantastic player. Proven it now on all tracks. If he can adapt to the one day game, I could see him surpassing Kohli.
 
Buffet said:
How? He has played in only India and SA.
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I mean all types of tracks, that was my fault. Yes he needs to prove it in England and Australia of course, but South African IMO are the toughest. Time will tell of course but he is one hell of a player so far.
 
Cheteshwar Pujara

He did well on this tour but I'm still a bit uncertain about his overseas potential. They received SC type wickets on this tour, not the traditional SA wickets that he played on during the last tour where he didn't do too well. But credit where it's due, he stood up to our guys admirably.
 
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He did well on this tour but I'm still a bit uncertain about his overseas potential. They received SC type wickets on this tour, not the traditional SA wickets that he played on during the last tour where he didn't do too well. But credit where it's due, he stood up to our guys admirably.
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joburg certainly wasn't an sc type of wicket.
 
Jo_Don said:
He did well on this tour but I'm still a bit uncertain about his overseas potential. They received SC type wickets on this tour, not the traditional SA wickets that he played on during the last tour where he didn't do too well. But credit where it's due, he stood up to our guys admirably.
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Going by highlights, first test had plenty of bounce and movements. This guy played Steyn and Vern brilliantly in that test by leaving the ball very well.
 
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battler said:
joburg certainly wasn't an sc type of wicket.
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Well it wasn't the typical bouncer that we saw in the ODI either. I'll give him credit for the way he play Steyn, Philander and Morkel though. Great talent.
 
Unlucky to be out the way he did because it was unplayable but hey i'm not complaining
 
How is he not in the ODI side? So Rahane and Raina are better than him? India has been awful with their selection of late and they have paid the price. Rohit Sharma is not an opener. Sharma should not be in the side. Get pujara in for Rahane. Ashwin should be dropped too.
 
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