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Cheteshwar Pujara Discussion Thread

I never stick my neck on the line when it comes to cricketing predictions but i believe he will be an Indian ATG, i can't wait to bump this thread over the next 5 years.
 
Bit early....

But has made an awesome start to his career. The hard thing is maintaining that average.

Gilly was up near 60, fell away at the end and wound up at 48. Dravid was near 60 for a long time but didn't retire near there, same for Tendy.

While wickets are docile, boundaries short and bats heavy, the constant grind of cricket and analysis of every weakness makes it very hard to maintain immense averages.
 
Pujara in batting is what Philander in bowling.
Great avgs but yet to be tested in alien conditions.
 
give the kid some time, he has ferocious appetite for runs and awesome conversion rate but he is no Bradman. Will be really really happy if he turns out to be as good as Dravid, but I doubt that. I fear he will be like Samaraweera.
 
India (pitches) has a history of making chumps look world class.
But good luck to him hopefuly there is substance to all the hype
 
Moosa said:
Pujara in batting is what Philander in bowling.
Great avgs but yet to be tested in alien conditions.
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philander has played in England, Australia, NZ and U.A.E and has done well bar Australia. Wrong comparison boet
 
soso_killer said:
How many runs outside the disgraceful concrete slabs?
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soso_killer said:
India (pitches) has a history of making chumps look world class.
But good luck to him hopefuly there is substance to all the hype
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Do you watch test matches? Concrete slabs!!
Indian pitches in last 10 years have been some of the most result oriented turning tracks. Very few draws now a days.
Pujara is pretty good on turning tracks and that's all his score in India tells you.

Also if you think Pujara is a chump then good luck.
 
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Re: Pujara - Only Next to Bradman

You want him to actually become bradman? Compare him to umar Akmal. He will surpass don then.
 
Noobosauras said:
Do you watch test matches? Concrete slabs!!
Indian pitches in last 10 years have been some of the most result oriented turning tracks. Very few draws now a days.
Pujara is pretty good on turning tracks and that's all his score in India tells you.

Also if you think Pujara is a chump then good luck.
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i'm more excited about him than Kolhi regarding tests. However Indian pitches can be disgraceful and some flat track bullies from that country have been found out.

I will reserve my comments on his abilities as he is yet to play away.
 
soso_killer said:
i'm more excited about him than Kolhi regarding tests. However Indian pitches can be disgraceful and some flat track bullies from that country have been found out.

I will reserve my comments on his abilities as he is yet to play away.
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Again you are talking about ODI pitches not test pitches.
Flat track bullies cant buy a run on turning pitches too.
Please watch the current test or check scorecards for any series in last 3-4 years.
 
Indian test pitches are not roads at all. It gets extremely tough to bat as it turns square from day 2.
Pujara has done impressively to score so many runs here.

Even in ODI's pitches are not always flat as evident from Pakistan series. The reason the Ind- Aust ODI series was high scoring is due to weather which made the pitches flat. Even Ashes had flat pitches this year due to hottest summer in UK.

Then again how many people understand and appreciate batting here :D
 
Indian test pitches have been minefields ever since Pujara made his debut. So, well done to him.
But I also agree with the sentiment that Pujara is comparable to Philander. Yet to be tested outside.
 
Noobosauras said:
Again you are talking about ODI pitches not test pitches.
Flat track bullies cant buy a run on turning pitches too.
Please watch the current test or check scorecards for any series in last 3-4 years.
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well when the top 6 bats of the opposition average above 35 runs per wicket we definately have flat tracks as the host country will further increase that average (unless you are New Zealand).

Since 1st January 2010 average runs per wicket for the top 6 in each country (Zimbabwe and Bangladesh excluded).

In India 43, opposition 36.52
In Australia 39.98, opposition 36.78
In Lanka 45.23, opposition 44.06
In NZ 41.71, opposition 48.51
In U.A.E 41.14, opposition 31.80 (i.e. Pakistan excluded)
In Eng 36.5, opposition 31.14
In SA 35, opposition 27.
In WI 32.35, opposition 30.48
(opposition means host country stats are excluded)

The above data does not support your claims whatsoever and its obvious which countries produce good pitches.
 
He is a good talent but he plays far too many strokes for his own good. Ponting and ViV Richards are two of the finest stroke makers to play in the top order in the recent times. I am not sure Pujara can match their skills. If he is prepared to grind down a bit and be more selective, he will serve his team well.
 
soso_killer said:
well when the top 6 bats of the opposition average above 35 runs per wicket we definately have flat tracks as the host country will further increase that average (unless you are New Zealand).

Since 1st January 2010 average runs per wicket for the top 6 in each country (Zimbabwe and Bangladesh excluded).

In India 43, opposition 36.52
In Australia 39.98, opposition 36.78
In Lanka 45.23, opposition 44.06
In NZ 41.71, opposition 48.51
In U.A.E 41.14, opposition 31.80 (i.e. Pakistan excluded)
In Eng 36.5, opposition 31.14
In SA 35, opposition 27.
In WI 32.35, opposition 30.48
(opposition means host country stats are excluded)

The above data does not support your claims whatsoever and its obvious which countries produce good pitches.
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It is your claim that average 35+ runs per wicket is bad.
What matters in a good test is result based outcome not runs scored.
South Africa above is a very good example.
Do you really think pitches where opposition roll out under 50 are any better than flat pancakes?
What is needed is a balanced fight between bat and ball and a good 4-5 day test not 3 day whitewashes. They are equally bad no matter how sanctimonious you are.

Also, I dont have time or motivation to pull stats everywhere but here are test series in India since 2010

Border-Gavaskar Trophy, 2010/11 (2-0)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/464518.html

New Zealand in India Test Series, 2010/11 (1-0, 2 drawn)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/464521.html

West Indies in India Test Series, 2011/12 (2-0, 1 drawn)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/535996.html

England in India Test Series, 2012/13 (1-2, 1 drawn)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/565796.html

Border-Gavaskar Trophy, 2012/13 (4-0)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/engine/series/598810.html

total 15 tests 4 drawn, 11 results.
Dont know how you can say Indian pitches are roads. this is a pretty good ratio.
 
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Noobosauras said:
by the way, it is disgraceful there is no test in Cape Town. Ajmal was so good in that test, wish we had a match there.
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lol, you wish you had a match in Cape Town? No one wants to play South Africa in Cape Town.
Since readmission they have played 25 matches winning 17 of them losing just 3 (and all those only to Australia, 97, 02, 06). They have not lost a game there since 2006. Its their most dominant venue with a win/loss ratio of 5.

And regarding Ajmal or spin, i should educate you that Newlands has nothing to do with spinners. The match in you are refering to which i should add South Africa won inside 4 days, was not your typical Newlands pitch. A two week rain forecast prevented the curators from doing their job and did not want a damp pitch so the thought the rain would do the job. It never arrived in any of those days hence the surface was dry.

Instead India should thank their lucky stars there is no game in Cape Town as i could see a 40 all out scoreboard. Why do you think Tendulkar chickened out of playing his 200th match in the venue :asif
 
soso_killer said:
lol, you wish you had a match in Cape Town? No one wants to play South Africa in Cape Town.
Since readmission they have played 25 matches winning 17 of them losing just 3 (and all those only to Australia, 97, 02, 06). They have not lost a game there since 2006. Its their most dominant venue with a win/loss ratio of 5.

And regarding Ajmal or spin, i should educate you that Newlands has nothing to do with spinners. The match in you are refering to which i should add South Africa won inside 4 days, was not your typical Newlands pitch. A two week rain forecast prevented the curators from doing their job and did not want a damp pitch so the thought the rain would do the job. It never arrived in any of those days hence the surface was dry.

Instead India should thank their lucky stars there is no game in Cape Town as i could see a 40 all out scoreboard. Why do you think Tendulkar chickened out of playing his 200th match in the venue :asif
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Tendulkar in Cape Town - 489 runs at 81.50 including 2 tons :wahab

Vijay and Dhawan will be walking wickets at Newlands, Kohli and Pujara are the two players who i see averaging at least 30+ in the series.

But somehow i have a gut feeling that Ashwin will be our highest scorer in the series, capitalising on the old ball :ahmed
 
Noobosauras said:
It is your claim that average 35+ runs per wicket is bad.
What matters in a good test is result based outcome not runs scored.
South Africa above is a very good example.
Do you really think pitches where opposition roll out under 50 are any better than flat pancakes?
What is needed is a balanced fight between bat and ball and a good 4-5 day test not 3 day whitewashes. They are equally bad no matter how sanctimonious you are.

Also, I dont have time or motivation to pull stats everywhere but here are test series in India since 2010

Border-Gavaskar Trophy, 2010/11 (2-0)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/464518.html

New Zealand in India Test Series, 2010/11 (1-0, 2 drawn)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/464521.html

West Indies in India Test Series, 2011/12 (2-0, 1 drawn)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/535996.html

England in India Test Series, 2012/13 (1-2, 1 drawn)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/565796.html

Border-Gavaskar Trophy, 2012/13 (4-0)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/engine/series/598810.html

total 15 tests 4 drawn, 11 results.
Dont know how you can say Indian pitches are roads. this is a pretty good ratio.
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yes i do. South Africa is the last venue of your traditional cricket match.
I dont want to see ordinary cricketers score double hundreds irrespective of the result.
Remember South Africa play in the same conditions themselves and yet score runs, its not their fault if the opposition are incompetent in the pressure cooker.
They have faced the likes of Ambrose, Walsh, McGrath etc. yet they were never bundled out under 50 or inside 3 days.

I remember in 98 in which both Walsh and Ambrose averaged under 20 in a 5 match series and yet SA won it 5-0. Best contested between bat and ball one could ever see. Thats test cricket
 
Scrolln said:
Tendulkar in Cape Town - 489 runs at 81.50 including 2 tons :wahab

Vijay and Dhawan will be walking wickets at Newlands, Kohli and Pujara are the two players who i see averaging at least 30+ in the series.

But somehow i have a gut feeling that Ashwin will be our highest scorer in the series, capitalising on the old ball :ahmed
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yeah thanx to Tsotsobe. But his not playing in this series :yk
 
soso_killer said:
yeah thanx to Tsotsobe. But his not playing in this series :yk
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Steyn/Morkel were bowling too :shafiq

Also he scored 73 in the sole innings he played in Cape Town in 1993 against Donald, and a mammoth 169 against Donald/Pollock in 1997 :farhat
 
Scrolln said:
Steyn/Morkel were bowling too :shafiq

Also he scored 73 in the sole innings he played in Cape Town in 1993 against Donald, and a mammoth 169 against Donald/Pollock in 1997 :farhat
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would have been nice to see him against Philander though.
 
Its not Pujara's fault that barring england in that one series rest of the world suck at playing spin in India.
 
80 odd even when he doesn't seem to be at his best. Sign of a real good player, making the most of it, quitely going on about his business amidst the frenzy.
 
A let off but which big innings doesn't have one. Hopefully he makes this count. Looked flawless otherwise, should make a 200.
 
Not sold on him yet, I think he is quite suspect and good chance SA series will expose him.. Hope I am wrong...
 
Looking forward to see how he gets on in South Africa. And then next year 5 tests in England + 4 in Australia. We'll know much more about Pujara then.
 
he's an unsung hero in india. Hardly any fan knows who he is because he's just a quiet person. People like Raina, Dhoni, Kohli, Dhawan, Sharma, Singh, Gambhir, Sehwag, tendulkar, dravid, laxman, ganguly etc are/were good batsman and were legends or very aggressive players. Because Pujara only plays tests which India aren't even that focused on he goes unnoticed, great player
 
looks destined to average above 50. future looks bright for indian cricket, as you'd expect.
 
Beast mode activated. Looking to bash the lesser bowlers and see off the better bowlers while scoring off their bad balls. Masterclass from a potential ATG.
 
He is an incredible batsmen. These were not easy conditions to bat in.

Looked great in the first innings too, was unlucky to get run out.
 
looked unpenetrable except one mistake

top knock

hope this shuts the doubters
 
What a beast this guy is . A true replacement of dravid ,can play according to all situations. exciting times ahead for team India
 
He paces the innings wonderfully. Takes a long time to settle down, and once he is in, man, he goes beserk and plays like Kohli. He could be a bright ODI prospect as well.
 
When it comes to Strike rate,he is ahead of Rahul, a future Indian ATG if not an ATG
 
India should get him into the ODI team, he would make a brilliant number 4 batsmen.
 
Best Test Batsman in Subcontinent after Sangakkara. Though Sanga never had any significant innings against SA in SA.
 
Robbie said:
Best Test Batsman in Subcontinent after Sangakkara. Though Sanga never had any significant innings against SA in SA.
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Sanga scored a very good hundred on the last SA tour, no doubt Pujara has a very bright future. Love his attitude no arrogance just hard work and determination.
 
Gangnam said:
Sanga scored a very good hundred on the last SA tour, no doubt Pujara has a very bright future. Love his attitude no arrogance just hard work and determination.
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Oh I didnt know that. Definitely Pujara Second best Bat from SC after Sanga
 
About time he gets drafted into the ODI side as well. Complete player.
 
This guy is an asset to our Indian team,never loses his cool and the bowlers gets fed up of him..:dav
 
Could be several times better than Kohli for all we know. Could become even better than Sachin. He has everything - talent, patience, defence, strokes, coolness, calmness, fearless etc
 
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