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cars112

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A lot of Indian fans and media have mentioned that Cheteshwar Pujara has a perfect technique and will succeed everywhere, especially away from Asia. Interesting, then, to look at his record:

Home: 13 Tests, 5 centuries, average 75
Away from home: 11 Tests, 1 century, average 28

Admittedly still relatively early days, but at the moment, far from succeeding away from Asia, this guy is shaping up to be one of the biggest home track bullies in Test history.

Will be interesting if he can reach even 50 in an innings in Australia. In 14 innings in New Zealand and England, Pujara reached just 50 once - utterly dreadful against pace, movement and bounce.
 
That one century came against the best bowling attack in their backyard.

If his knees permit him, he'd be the Dravid of this generation and is the best young Test batsman today followed by Joe Root.
 
Mamoon said:
That one century came against the best bowling attack in their backyard.

If his knees permit him, he'd be the Dravid of this generation and is the best young Test batsman today followed by Joe Root.
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Knees already being used to excuse a 26-year old?

So this guy with an embarrassing away record is the next Dravid whilst young Shezzy who already has 3 centuries in 8 games without having played a single game on his own soil is rubbish.
 
UAE = home soil, its hardly different to Pakistan. You can claim otherwise as much as you like but performing in UAE, India, Pakistan is not much of a big deal for subcontinental batsman.

The whole subcontinent/UAE is pretty much home and SSC Colombo as well but SL do have some testing grounds like Pallekele and overheard conditions are often challenging these days, promoting swing.

If Shehzad can carry this form overseas, he'll be head and shoulders the best young Test batsman in the game. The likes of Rohit, Dhawan etc smack hundreds after hundreds on slow and low pitches of the subcontinent as well.

I don't know, Pujara knee problems are well documented.
 
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Highly inflated by that tour to SA where he was playing on the flattest tracks you will ever see in SA.

Overrated.
 
Eevn though its a troll thread , I have to admit hes not performed remotely close to the expectations . Been a huge let down .
 
Our batsmen usually score on the pitches overseas where our spinners bowl well.

Like the one in sa where ajmal took a 10 fer and asad and yk scored tons. In testing seaming and swinging conditions all our batsmen fail.
 
Rubbish thread. As usual stuffs from some insecure posters here. No one said Pujara is going to be ATG He is only a HTB as of now.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Even Rohit was dropped in his 264. Chances do not matter when your innings is of such quality.
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2 chances in 100 is plenty, 2 chances in 250 isn't as significant when the second is after you're well into the 200's.
 
He's a work in progress. He's only tourned some of those places once.
 
Its true though that 100 against SA was on a flat pitch even Geoffrey Boycott said it was a flat pitch. But still that was an impressive knock especially from away.
 
Quality batsmen, but the problem is either he scores big or goes missing... mostly gets stuck early on his inning :(
 
Puajara definitely needs to prove himself. Have big expectations from him. What I like about him is his attitude, lad has joined county and already made some good runs there. Australia will be a different kind of test. Let's see how he does.
 
In test,in overseas conditions, Rahane is the only quality batsman as of now. vijay is not far away from rahane. kohli and pujara have to stepup. rohit and Dhawan are just ordinary
 
Enforcer said:
In test,in overseas conditions, Rahane is the only quality batsman as of now. vijay is not far away from rahane. kohli and pujara have to stepup. rohit and Dhawan are just ordinary
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Rahane needs to step up as well. He too completely failed in the last 2 tests, when the heat was ON (total of just 29 runs in 4 innings).
 
Statsman said:
Rahane needs to step up as well. He too completely failed in the last 2 tests, when the heat was ON (total of just 29 runs in 4 innings).
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yeah, but he scored a hundred on a green top in lords. c'mon you are asking for too much.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Pujara would walk into any subcontinental team
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He would NEVER get into Team Pakistan. Misbah, Shezzy, YK, Shafiq, Ali. The "away from home" argument can't be used because Pujara has so far been a hack away from home.

And though Hafeez gets criticized, even he can score hundreds on slow pitches against poor attacks like Pujara. Plus his bowling.
 
Lol, Pujara is far better than Azhar and Asad and his performances on slow pitches so far have been exceptional, much better than than the those two particularly.

Come back when they score double tons against Australia and England.
 
Mamoon said:
Lol, Pujara is far better than Azhar and Asad and his performances on slow pitches so far have been exceptional, much better than than the those two particularly.

Come back when they score double tons against Australia and England.
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Come back when Pujara scores two hundreds in a Test against Aus.
 
cars112 said:
He would NEVER get into Team Pakistan. Misbah, Shezzy, YK, Shafiq, Ali. The "away from home" argument can't be used because Pujara has so far been a hack away from home.

And though Hafeez gets criticized, even he can score hundreds on slow pitches against poor attacks like Pujara. Plus his bowling.
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Two double hundred already for pujara in India, and one century in south Africa what about your youngsters.
 
cars112 said:
He would NEVER get into Team Pakistan. Misbah, Shezzy, YK, Shafiq, Ali. The "away from home" argument can't be used because Pujara has so far been a hack away from home.

And though Hafeez gets criticized, even he can score hundreds on slow pitches against poor attacks like Pujara. Plus his bowling.
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I would take Pujara over Azhar any day of the week
 
Enforcer said:
Two double hundred already for pujara in India, and one century in south Africa what about your youngsters.
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Asad also has a century in SA, in far more testing conditions, but no surprise it doesn't get the hype Indian FTBs get.

Our youngsters? Look at performances of Shezzy, Shafiq, Sarfraz, Azhar Ali in the last 3 Tests my friend. Very rarely has Test cricket seen such utter batting dominance.
 
cars112 said:
Asad also has a century in SA, in far more testing conditions, but no surprise it doesn't get the hype Indian FTBs get.

Our youngsters? Look at performances of Shezzy, Shafiq, Sarfraz, Azhar Ali in the last 3 Tests my friend. Very rarely has Test cricket seen such utter batting dominance.
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Nothing to disagree here. The performances have been solid.
 
cars112 said:
Come back when Pujara scores two hundreds in a Test against Aus.
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Two hundreds in Test < double hundreds against both Australia and England.

When was the last time an upcoming batsman for Pakistan has scored a double hundred let alone against a notable opposition? Shehzad definitely missed out, but who else has come close? Azhar's 157 in England is the closest anyone has come.

Azhar is a fine Test batsman and Asad is even better, but Pujara is different class.
 
I'm seeing a new trend recently, Pak batsman score a couple of hundreds in UAE and their fans come out to bash the Indian batsman which have no relevance. Pujara is a quality batsman, everyone knows it. Waiting to bump this thread when he proves some of you haters wrong.
 
When Pakistan toured SA last year, in that second test Shafiq scored a 100 in a pitch that still looked good for bowling but nowhere near as lively as the first test. Shafiq not only underrated but possesses serious skill.
 
Dee1990 said:
I'm seeing a new trend recently, Pak batsman score a couple of hundreds in UAE and their fans come out to bash the Indian batsman which have no relevance. Pujara is a quality batsman, everyone knows it. Waiting to bump this thread when he proves some of you haters wrong.
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What is funnier is all the chest thumping has come to the fore courtesy of some excellent performance on classical subcontinental flat decks, something India and SL have been doing for years.

So much hue and cry for 'FTBing'
 
cars112 said:
He would NEVER get into Team Pakistan. Misbah, Shezzy, YK, Shafiq, Ali. The "away from home" argument can't be used because Pujara has so far been a hack away from home.

And though Hafeez gets criticized, even he can score hundreds on slow pitches against poor attacks like Pujara. Plus his bowling.
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I would pick Pujara over Azhar and shafiq every Test playing 11 selected.
 
cars112 said:
Asad also has a century in SA, in far more testing conditions, but no surprise it doesn't get the hype Indian FTBs get.

Our youngsters? Look at performances of Shezzy, Shafiq, Sarfraz, Azhar Ali in the last 3 Tests my friend. Very rarely has Test cricket seen such utter batting dominance.
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And how it is better than pujara, who have already scored two double centuries in same conditions
 
I agree with every single cars112 post in this thread.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Highly inflated by that tour to SA where he was playing on the flattest tracks you will ever see in SA.

Overrated.
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Wait till Shehzad plays overseas, on proper sporting tracks in Tests.

Don't mention the ODI ton which again was on flat track and he scored ducks after that.

As for Pujara, he has potential and could come good. But has failed to deliver so far.

Rahane seems to be their best bat overseas.
 
cars112 said:
He would NEVER get into Team Pakistan. Misbah, Shezzy, YK, Shafiq, Ali. The "away from home" argument can't be used because Pujara has so far been a hack away from home.

And though Hafeez gets criticized, even he can score hundreds on slow pitches against poor attacks like Pujara. Plus his bowling.
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Pujara would easily walk into the Pak team. Two matches don't on flat pitches with no pressure at all doesn't mean that all Pak bats are world beaters.

He is a way way better player than Azhar Ali, even Shafiq. Two matches ago everyone wanted Azhar dropped from the team for Haris, if you remember.
 
Mamoon said:
What is funnier is all the chest thumping has come to the fore courtesy of some excellent performance on classical subcontinental flat decks, something India and SL have been doing for years.

So much hue and cry for 'FTBing'
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These kind of threads just reak of insecurity, that in order to validate your opinion that the batsman which you think are better you need to downgrade another batsman which other people think is good. It's just as dumb as some of the threads which indian fans make comparing our bowlers to some of the pak bowlers. If the players which you think are that good are really that good, their performances will do the talking. Not the stat comparions because stats only tell you so much. I'll put my hand up and say yes Pujara as of yet hasnt performed as well as he should have overseas, but that doesnt mean he wont do in the future. He is a work in progress, he's already shown that he is willing to learn from his mistakes by participating in county cricket.
 
Cars112 used to be a funny troll who hated India.

His posts used to be funny even if it was anti India all the time.

These days its just idiotic and brainless.

Indians rate Pujara on potential. He hasn't delivered overseas and every Indian himself would admit that.

Even many Pakistanis, Aussies and English people rate Pujara.
 
Dee1990 said:
These kind of threads just reak of insecurity, that in order to validate your opinion that the batsman which you think are better you need to downgrade another batsman which other people think is good. It's just as dumb as some of the threads which indian fans make comparing our bowlers to some of the pak bowlers. If the players which you think are that good are really that good, their performances will do the talking. Not the stat comparions because stats only tell you so much. I'll put my hand up and say yes Pujara as of yet hasnt performed as well as he should have overseas, but that doesnt mean he wont do in the future. He is a work in progress, he's already shown that he is willing to learn from his mistakes by participating in county cricket.
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It's just low standards, won't call it insecurity. Scoring 500 on these pitches against AUS/NZ is normal for India but something amazing for us, so the overreaction is understandable. We are not much better than minnows when it comes to batting so a rare good series or two automatically becomes a new era even though it is perfectly normal for SL and India.
 
Mamoon said:
What is funnier is all the chest thumping has come to the fore courtesy of some excellent performance on classical subcontinental flat decks, something India and SL have been doing for years.

So much hue and cry for 'FTBing'
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No one in SC has been able to dominate them like we did in the past 3 tests. Be it batting, bowling or fielding.
 
Mamoon said:
It's just low standards, won't call it insecurity. Scoring 500 on these pitches against AUS/NZ is normal for India but something amazing for us, so the overreaction is understandable.
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No team from SC has dominated them like we did. First you have to accept that, only then you'll appreciate what PAK did.

The record for number of records broken in a series was probably broken.

It wasn't something done ever in history I guess.
 
Arsal_AK said:
See the Ind-Aus series.
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It was 4-0, I know, but you need to dig deeper and then compare with these 3 tests. Also let me know who broke records after records. Domination and winning is different.
 
NZ/England tours have put a question mark on his abilities in swinging conditions. I think he will do well in Aus though as he showed in SA that he can handle seam and bounce. Swing is a problem and that is something he will have to correct if he has to become a truly great test batsman.

Where he failed in NZ and England was in converting the 20s and 30s into substantial scores after doing all the hard work. Expect him to work on his game, correct the flaws and comeback stronger.
 
Hawkeye said:
No one in SC has been able to dominate them like we did in the past 3 tests. Be it batting, bowling or fielding.
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Hawkeye said:
It was 4-0, I know, but you need to dig deeper and then compare with these 3 tests. Also let me know who broke records after records. Domination and winning is different.
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Irrespective of how many batting records we have broken, we have still achieved totals of 450-500 only which is normal for subcontinent teams in home conditions.
 
Pujara is just another hyped up FTB Indian hack. If you're gonna talk about a real young batting superstar, its either Shezzy, Asad or Ali.
 
Hawkeye said:
No team from SC has dominated them like we did. First you have to accept that, only then you'll appreciate what PAK did.

The record for number of records broken in a series was probably broken.

It wasn't something done ever in history I guess.
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Well said.

A perfectly legitimate thread is being hijacked by some insecure fans who can't digest some facts.
 
An average of 28 in 11 test matches is pretty poor for a player like Pujara.

I expected better, an average of at least 35-40 considering it was all his first tours would have been decent.
 
Pujara is just another FTB (good one at that) but no way he will make it into this Pakistan line up.

Who will he replace? Hafeez, Shafiq, Sehzad, Amin?

Lets face it, as good as he is this Pak line up has youngsters with full potential to be next ATG's. Pujara won't make a cut in this team.

PakA team may be.
 
Big Boss said:
Pujara is just another FTB (good one at that) but no way he will make it into this Pakistan line up.

Who will he replace? Hafeez, Shafiq, Sehzad, Amin?

Lets face it, as good as he is this Pak line up has youngsters with full potential to be next ATG's. Pujara won't make a cut in this team.

PakA team may be.
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:sree :sree :sree
 
Just like we have POTW on this forum, I think the admins should start a new one. Best troll comment of the week because there's plenty of competition for that prize on this thread :misbah
 
Pujara is the new Rohit Sharma. Lion at home, but a mere cat away from it. That century in South Africa was on a flat track. CSA would have taken a hiding from its father(BCCI) if there had been green tops to break Indian bones.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Correct.

I'd have Vijay over Hafeez.

Shehzad over Dhawan

Azhar over Pujara

YK over Kohli

Misbah over Rahane

Sarfaraz over Dhoni
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Basically this.

If only more Indians had the heart to accept the truth.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Cars112 used to be a funny troll who hated India.

His posts used to be funny even if it was anti India all the time.

These days its just idiotic and brainless.

Indians rate Pujara on potential. He hasn't delivered overseas and every Indian himself would admit that.

Even many Pakistanis, Aussies and English people rate Pujara.
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sensible-indian-fan,

I don't remember ever having personally attacked you or your posts. But just look at your reaction here. I just made an observation and drew some potential conclusions from it (I even said its relatively early days if you care to read the OP).

"Idiotic and brainless"? I think you'll find there's been a mixtures of reactions to my post from both Indian and Pakistani fans. Which is fine - don't expect everyone to agree with me.

Ultimately, the stark reality that Pujara has been excessively hyped for years now - next Dravid, next Wall, perfect technique and what not. Yet, at this point, after 25 Tests, his output is distinctly of a home track bully. That may or may not change in time. Course you will call this idiotic and brainless but that's fine - to each his or her own.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Two matches ago everyone wanted Azhar dropped from the team for Haris, if you remember.
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Before every series one of either Azhar Ali or Asad Shafiq becomes the target from some quarters.

Azhar is now saved for few matches soon it will be Shafiq's turn again. :uakmal :haris :fawad
 
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I use to rate pujara highly but recently I observed he is very 1 dimentional player like dravid. cant change his game when required. although dravid improved later on in his career. unless he can hit big sixes and fours and score freely when required he would be incomplete batsman
 
cars112 said:
sensible-indian-fan,

I don't remember ever having personally attacked you or your posts. But just look at your reaction here. I just made an observation and drew some potential conclusions from it (I even said its relatively early days if you care to read the OP).

"Idiotic and brainless"? I think you'll find there's been a mixtures of reactions to my post from both Indian and Pakistani fans. Which is fine - don't expect everyone to agree with me.

Ultimately, the stark reality that Pujara has been excessively hyped for years now - next Dravid, next Wall, perfect technique and what not. Yet, at this point, after 25 Tests, his output is distinctly of a home track bully. That may or may not change in time. Course you will call this idiotic and brainless but that's fine - to each his or her own.
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Cars bro - I agree with you. You are right. Pujara stats are FTBish. No denying it.

My comment was not directed at this post of yours but in general (as of these days). I used to enjoy your funny trolling (even if it was at the expense of India) but I knew whenever you were serious you would a completely different fellow (like Eagle Eye who trolls on Cricket forums but is complete different poster in the Time Pass section).

Anyways, if my words had hurt you, I am sorry.
 
Pujara has failed overseas bar one/two innings is a fact but why has he failed consistently is a mystery. He has a good defense, wide range of shot with good technique yet he has failed quite poorly. Maybe it's a mental thing or maybe it's because he gets too much into his shell. I believe most batsmen go oversea thinking if they send spend time on the crease runs would come automatically, but that doesn't happen. They get into their shells, bowlers get on top and then it's a matter of one good ball. In aus, eng, saf unlike subcontinent you need to keep looking for runs. You can't block ball after ball like you do in your home conditions. Pujara I had seen when he is playing he shots or looking to play shots I shall say does good but when he is trying to fight to occupy the crease he fails.
 
So far Pujara has disappointed.

But Indians hyped him because he averages 60 in first class cricket with 27 tons. Likes of Hafeez average 35, Azhar Ali 36, Shehzad 42.

He is only 26, lots of time to correct his away record.
 
I think he and many other Indian batsmen should come good in this series. Bounce doesn't disturb them much it's the lateral movement which limits their style of play.
 
Anfield said:
Pujara has failed overseas bar one/two innings is a fact but why has he failed consistently is a mystery. He has a good defense, wide range of shot with good technique yet he has failed quite poorly. Maybe it's a mental thing or maybe it's because he gets too much into his shell. I believe most batsmen go oversea thinking if they send spend time on the crease runs would come automatically, but that doesn't happen. They get into their shells, bowlers get on top and then it's a matter of one good ball. In aus, eng, saf unlike subcontinent you need to keep looking for runs. You can't block ball after ball like you do in your home conditions. Pujara I had seen when he is playing he shots or looking to play shots I shall say does good but when he is trying to fight to occupy the crease he fails.
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This is very true.
 
Pujara hasn't done that well undoubtedly and i don't rate him higher imo either but saying Pakistani young batsmen are better than him is taking it to a different level.
 
cars112 said:
He would NEVER get into Team Pakistan. Misbah, Shezzy, YK, Shafiq, Ali. The "away from home" argument can't be used because Pujara has so far been a hack away from home.

And though Hafeez gets criticized, even he can score hundreds on slow pitches against poor attacks like Pujara. Plus his bowling.
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He would walk into the Pakistan team over Azhar, Asad and Misbah.
 
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