Cheteshwar Pujara's record away from home

[Noobosauras]

Awesome thread. More power to OP. Looking forward to us getting smashed down under in tests followed by us smashing Pakistan in WC opening match.

Because somethings in life never change.

 

[MMHS]

I think, like Manjrekar, Pujara is very much a front foot player with tremendous concentration & appetite for big scores. If I am not wrong, he has 3 triple 100s in Ranji, just in a decade long career - even on roads, against very limited attack, that takes more than 12 hours of concentration. It's not easy. For example - Umar Akmal might smash a double hundred in 2 sessions, but I don't back him to bat for 2 days even against club teams. Pujara looks so good & compact that it's difficult to justify his away figures.

Pujara is hampered by his keens indeed, but that doesn't justify an average gap of 3X at home & abroad. In fact, poor knees hamper you most on Indian tracks for the amount of spin that one needs to play in IND. Even in ENG, his only contribution was on the Trent Bridge wicket - much had been told on that track already, one can understand what's his problem is. He has a horrid year after the Jo'burg Test & really unlucky to miss the 3 Tests against WI - at least 400 runs & 2 centuries missed.

I think, he is been worked out by most teams - in AUS, I doubt if he 'll get a single ball in entire series to drive at front-foot half volley. If he is to drive, Aussies 'll make him to drive either on back-foot or on the rise. That's exactly what the South Africans did after the first Test - he is not good (in fact non existent) in back foot vertical bat shots, neither a natural hooker or puller. Unless the short ball is a foot or more wide, Pujara 'll be almost stroke less, until an unplayable one ends his innings. In last 4 English Tests, he stayed more than enough time on the wicket, but the English bowlers closed his scoring shots.

Unless Pujara improves his back-foot game, he 'll finish career as one of the most undeserving player with a career average of 50+, just roosting on the visiting attack at home.

 

[spiderreddy]

forget about pujara...even a tailunt like can't get into pak test team :ahmed

 

[Itachi]

^when even UA can't make it to pak team, who the hack is pujara lol.... Pak is blessed with so much great talents....

 

[ares1000]

Rubbish thread. As usual stuffs from some insecure posters here. No one said Pujara is going to be ATG He is only a HTB as of now.

Things point to it staying that way. We saw him and Kohli in England. It was not pretty.

 

[Thivagar]

Why didn't India try him this series ? Wasn't he also trying to be an allrounder, working on his bowling ?

 

[abdulrafay33]

what is the point of bashing other team's batsmen when your own team's batsmen have failed to perform away from home ??? seriously some people here needs to learn, they keep on bashing others without any reason

 

[Varun]

Looks like this thread has backfired a touch, even before Pujara has got a chance to play another innings home or away.

 

[Abhilash93]

I think, like Manjrekar, Pujara is very much a front foot player with tremendous concentration & appetite for big scores. If I am not wrong, he has 3 triple 100s in Ranji, just in a decade long career - even on roads, against very limited attack, that takes more than 12 hours of concentration. It's not easy. For example - Umar Akmal might smash a double hundred in 2 sessions, but I don't back him to bat for 2 days even against club teams. Pujara looks so good & compact that it's difficult to justify his away figures.

Pujara is hampered by his keens indeed, but that doesn't justify an average gap of 3X at home & abroad. In fact, poor knees hamper you most on Indian tracks for the amount of spin that one needs to play in IND. Even in ENG, his only contribution was on the Trent Bridge wicket - much had been told on that track already, one can understand what's his problem is. He has a horrid year after the Jo'burg Test & really unlucky to miss the 3 Tests against WI - at least 400 runs & 2 centuries missed.

I think, he is been worked out by most teams - in AUS, I doubt if he 'll get a single ball in entire series to drive at front-foot half volley. If he is to drive, Aussies 'll make him to drive either on back-foot or on the rise. That's exactly what the South Africans did after the first Test - he is not good (in fact non existent) in back foot vertical bat shots, neither a natural hooker or puller. Unless the short ball is a foot or more wide, Pujara 'll be almost stroke less, until an unplayable one ends his innings. In last 4 English Tests, he stayed more than enough time on the wicket, but the English bowlers closed his scoring shots.

Unless Pujara improves his back-foot game, he 'll finish career as one of the most undeserving player with a career average of 50+, just roosting on the visiting attack at home.

He used to hook a lot few years back. but got out a few times caught in the deep playing that shot. So he stopped playing it.
Dont know what you are talking about. His problems may be many but back-foot play is certainly not one of them. Infact, he has one of the best back-foot defence in the country.

 

[MMHS]

He used to hook a lot few years back. but got out a few times caught in the deep playing that shot. So he stopped playing it.
Dont know what you are talking about. His problems may be many but back-foot play is certainly not one of them. Infact, he has one of the best back-foot defence in the country.

I didn't say about "back foot" defense. He has great apatite to stay on wicket & if the bowlers keep bowling short of a length, close to body, he 'll stay on the wicket for long, until gets an unplayable one. My point was he doesn't have many back foot shots - outside IND he has stayed on the wicket for long enough to get settled & get going but couldn't. Developing back foot game doesn't mean stay on the wicket for a session & block to score 20.

 

[exposer]

talking of the comparison between Tendulkar & Kohli, or pujara & dravid. the greatest similarity for me between these players is that like in sachin´s case, in kohli´s case too have Pakistanis found a harmless, charmless & boring batsman only good for test cricket to down kohli, like dravid was adopted by them in sachin´s case. the support for pujara & tolerance for bad peformances is baffling amongst pakstanis.

but nothing to worry for indians anymore ever since misbah has stepped in. go back to pujara´s description above & replace the name with misbah´s, easy. its full time revenge & amazingly cute love for misbah. add to my description the fact that whole world knows how a charmless player like dravid, pujara & misbah will never ever even help wave at the wc trophy from far.

 

[Mamoon]

talking of the comparison between Tendulkar & Kohli, or pujara & dravid. the greatest similarity for me between these players is that like in sachin´s case, in kohli´s case too have Pakistanis found a harmless, charmless & boring batsman only good for test cricket to down kohli, like dravid was adopted by them in sachin´s case. the support for pujara & tolerance for bad peformances is baffling amongst pakstanis.

but nothing to worry for indians anymore ever since misbah has stepped in. go back to pujara´s description above & replace the name with misbah´s, easy. its full time revenge & amazingly cute love for misbah. add to my description the fact that whole world knows how a charmless player like dravid, pujara & misbah will never ever even help wave at the wc trophy from far.

I have no idea what you just said here.

 

[Anfield]

talking of the comparison between Tendulkar & Kohli, or pujara & dravid. the greatest similarity for me between these players is that like in sachin´s case, in kohli´s case too have Pakistanis found a harmless, charmless & boring batsman only good for test cricket to down kohli, like dravid was adopted by them in sachin´s case. the support for pujara & tolerance for bad peformances is baffling amongst pakstanis.

but nothing to worry for indians anymore ever since misbah has stepped in. go back to pujara´s description above & replace the name with misbah´s, easy. its full time revenge & amazingly cute love for misbah. add to my description the fact that whole world knows how a charmless player like dravid, pujara & misbah will never ever even help wave at the wc trophy from far.

exactly! This post has to be the best post on this forum, ever! Please make it sticky! wow.

 

[Abhilash93]

I didn't say about "back foot" defense. He has great apatite to stay on wicket & if the bowlers keep bowling short of a length, close to body, he 'll stay on the wicket for long, until gets an unplayable one. My point was he doesn't have many back foot shots - outside IND he has stayed on the wicket for long enough to get settled & get going but couldn't. Developing back foot game doesn't mean stay on the wicket for a session & block to score 20.

You will get all the answers here.
www.bcci.tv/news/2014/features-and-interviews/8129/dravid-and-i-by-cheteshwar-pujara

 

[MMHS]

You will get all the answers here.
www.bcci.tv/news/2014/features-and-interviews/8129/dravid-and-i-by-cheteshwar-pujara

It explains actually -

THE BACK-FOOT PUNCH

Before I started playing cricket, Rahul Dravid was the batsman I watched the most. I feel that the biggest similarity between our techniques is the back-foot play. That’s the reason why I believe my punch shot and cover drive on the back-foot are quite similar to his.

I am not an expert, but barring ~150 by of both at J'burg (Dravid had a 257 at Adelaide also, though not against the best Aussie attack), both Pujara & Dravid has so far almost similar stats in AUS/SAF. Pujara failed in ENG though, where RD was one of the best ever.

Might be both has something similar in Back-foot play that's been exploited by bowlers on bouncy tracks. Anything else? Why Pujara average 28 & RD under 35 (take out 257, it 'll be lower than Pujara)?

 

[Sidilicious]

talking of the comparison between Tendulkar & Kohli, or pujara & dravid. the greatest similarity for me between these players is that like in sachin´s case, in kohli´s case too have Pakistanis found a harmless, charmless & boring batsman only good for test cricket to down kohli, like dravid was adopted by them in sachin´s case. the support for pujara & tolerance for bad peformances is baffling amongst pakstanis.

but nothing to worry for indians anymore ever since misbah has stepped in. go back to pujara´s description above & replace the name with misbah´s, easy. its full time revenge & amazingly cute love for misbah. add to my description the fact that whole world knows how a charmless player like dravid, pujara & misbah will never ever even help wave at the wc trophy from far.

What the hell mate? Didn't understand a bit of that! Looks like you really are annoyed at Misbah and Kohli playing well!

 

[EliteCynical]

I am sorry Pujara, I gave you a lot of chances, and you have turned out to be the quintessential FLAT TRACK BULLY

I know a lot of Indians on this forum were far too engulfed in criticizing Rohit, that your abysmal overseas record never came into picture.

Add to that your pathetic running between the wickets and poor fielding makes me wonder as to whether you have a place in this indian team for the other upcoming away leg.

I waited for the 4 innings to get over in SA, to see whether there is any improvement, but you have been poor. There were people suggesting on this forum that Kohli scored only 46 runs against Aus in the home series and it was Pujara who is the guy you call when you need hard runs. Well, the Kohli 153 at Ceturion has simply settled that Debate.

Meanwhile, you sir, have a lot to ponder about and think as to why even after playing county season, is your away record so abysmal. Do you warrant a spot in the Indian team for england and Aus tours? Are you an automatic selection? Based on Cape town and centurion (this by the way is your THIRD freaking tour to SA), no I do not think so. I would love for you to prove me wrong!!!


Meanwhile, I will quietly post his away record over here and leave.

 

[Chrish]

He has been disappointing but frankly he has been forced to alter his natural game under Kohli. Feels like he is constantly under pressure for being dropped. Back-to-back run-outs are extremely out of character for someone like him.

 

[EliteCynical]

He has been disappointing but frankly he has been forced to alter his natural game under Kohli. Feels like he is constantly under pressure for being dropped. Back-to-back run-outs are extremely out of character for someone like him.

He was not asked to alter anything under Dhoni or in County cricket. Why is his record so poor? This is not at all acceptable. This is an elephant in the room which people were ignoring. Yes, Kohli seems to have issues with him and I do not appreciate that, but for heaven's sake you play 96 balls and look set for a big score and end up giving your wicket away. Tells me he has chinks in his armor.

 

[Chrish]

He was not asked to alter anything under Dhoni or in County cricket. Why is his record so poor? This is not at all acceptable. This is an elephant in the room which people were ignoring. Yes, Kohli seems to have issues with him and I do not appreciate that, but for heaven's sake you play 96 balls and look set for a big score and end up giving your wicket away. Tells me he has chinks in his armor.

Question marks are there but he needs the captain who would let him be ie. defensive player rather than constantly reminding him about scoring faster. Kohli wants everyone around him to be like him which is frankly ********. India's problem as of now is loosing early wickets. So, they really need someone who can eat all the deliveries removing all the shine.

PS. Pujara wasn't too bad last time around in SA. He has been mediocre everywhere else though.

 

[Bilal7]

That one century came against the best bowling attack in their backyard.

If his knees permit him, he'd be the Dravid of this generation and is the best young Test batsman today followed by Joe Root.

Well, he is following in Dravid's shoes when it comes to batting in South Africa.

 

[Ab Fan]

I am sorry Pujara, I gave you a lot of chances, and you have turned out to be the quintessential FLAT TRACK BULLY

I know a lot of Indians on this forum were far too engulfed in criticizing Rohit, that your abysmal overseas record never came into picture.

Add to that your pathetic running between the wickets and poor fielding makes me wonder as to whether you have a place in this indian team for the other upcoming away leg.

I waited for the 4 innings to get over in SA, to see whether there is any improvement, but you have been poor. There were people suggesting on this forum that Kohli scored only 46 runs against Aus in the home series and it was Pujara who is the guy you call when you need hard runs. Well, the Kohli 153 at Ceturion has simply settled that Debate.

Meanwhile, you sir, have a lot to ponder about and think as to why even after playing county season, is your away record so abysmal. Do you warrant a spot in the Indian team for england and Aus tours? Are you an automatic selection? Based on Cape town and centurion (this by the way is your THIRD freaking tour to SA), no I do not think so. I would love for you to prove me wrong!!!


Meanwhile, I will quietly post his away record over here and leave.

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He is not a FTB. Rather he is one of the finest player of spin and is arguably one of the greatest batsmen in Asian conditions. Outside Asia, he has done nothing though. He is the Indian version of Mahela( although Mahela was far better in odis).

 

[bujhee kom]

FTB of the highest order.

 

[EliteCynical]

He is not a FTB. Rather he is one of the finest player of spin and is arguably one of the greatest batsmen in Asian conditions. Outside Asia, he has done nothing though. He is the Indian version of Mahela( although Mahela was far better in odis).

Yeah I kind of agree with you. Kind of HTB, considering SL as home conditions. Mahela analogy seems correct.

 

[Princejain191]

He has been disappointing but frankly he has been forced to alter his natural game under Kohli. Feels like he is constantly under pressure for being dropped. Back-to-back run-outs are extremely out of character for someone like him.

Pretty childish explanation. And back-to-back runouts are extremely out of character for any batsman. He was the first in the 21st century to get runout in both innings. But the way he runs, it is not too surprising. Given that he is India's no. 3, and is quite experienced - it is his responsibility to score runs away, irrespective of the way he gets them.

 

[troodon]

Pujara's failure this series has really impacted the Indian batting. The Top 3 of Indian batting failed miserably this series so far. Vijay/Rahul/Pujara are always in the hut before 50 runs were put on the board. Adds so much pressure on Kohli and the lower order to perform.

In fact, if not for the Indian lower order where the likes of Pandya, Ashwin have shown some resistance, the defeats would have been humiliating. Basically the Indian lower order every time ensured that it was not an innings defeat and made the final score more respectable.

Pujara will get chances again in England and Aus. If he fails there, his place will become lot more insecure. Younger generation are waiting. I can see Prithvi Shaw in the team during the next home stand.

 

[EliteCynical]

Pujara's failure this series has really impacted the Indian batting. The Top 3 of Indian batting failed miserably this series so far. Vijay/Rahul/Pujara are always in the hut before 50 runs were put on the board. Adds so much pressure on Kohli and the lower order to perform.

In fact, if not for the Indian lower order where the likes of Pandya, Ashwin have shown some resistance, the defeats would have been humiliating. Basically the Indian lower order every time ensured that it was not an innings defeat and made the final score more respectable.

Pujara will get chances again in England and Aus. If he fails there, his place will become lot more insecure. Younger generation are waiting. I can see Prithvi Shaw in the team during the next home stand.

What? How many more chances does he need? This is his third tour to SA. You can see the stats i shared. He is not cut out for playing outside Asia.

 

[troodon]

What? How many more chances does he need? This is his third tour to SA. You can see the stats i shared. He is not cut out for playing outside Asia.

He will not be dropped as there are no replacements available for now.

 

[Protea Fan]

He is not a FTB. Rather he is one of the finest player of spin and is arguably one of the greatest batsmen in Asian conditions. Outside Asia, he has done nothing though. He is the Indian version of Mahela( although Mahela was far better in odis).

Mahela had more range of shots hence can score all parts of the ground easily

Pujara actually has got a very good temperament to succeed in longer formats but his main negative is that he doesn't have the wide range of shots, hence even if he stays the ground for a long time his scoring shots will be minimal

 

[EliteCynical]

He will not be dropped as there are no replacements available for now.

Hmm.. Trying to understand why BCCI organised an India A tour to SA earlier in 2017 where Karun Nair and Shreyas Iyer did well. Also why DK has been called upon over Ishan Kishan who was the wk during that tour. I guess no one in the media has time to get over Koach and ask some tough questions to BCCI.

 

[troodon]

Hmm.. Trying to understand why BCCI organised an India A tour to SA earlier in 2017 where Karun Nair and Shreyas Iyer did well. Also why DK has been called upon over Ishan Kishan who was the wk during that tour. I guess no one in the media has time to get over Koach and ask some tough questions to BCCI.

Indian cricket has always been allergic to giving youngsters a chance. Very rarely do you see a youngster getting a chance even against minnow in a meaningless series.

Shameful that the likes of Samson, Pant and Kishan never got a consistent run when they were in good form. India still persisted with oldies. Now that the same Samson and Pant are out of Form, they will not get picked anyway.

Expect the likes of MSD, DK in the team till 2019.

 

[Saurav]

He needs to be tried down the order before being written off

Kohli at 3,Rahane at 4 and Pujara at 5

 

[Dead Ball]

He needs to be tried down the order before being written off

Kohli at 3,Rahane at 4 and Pujara at 5

Kohli has been scoring bucket loads of runs at no 4.

No need to disturb his rhythm to accomodate a player who is a walking wicket overseas.

 

[Saurav]

Kohli has been scoring bucket loads of runs at no 4.

No need to disturb his rhythm to accomodate a player who is a walking wicket overseas.

Kohli will score at every position.But his runs will be more impactful at 3

Anyway he's coming in early after we lose 2 early wickets

 

[RainMan_]

He has been forced to play a game which isn't natural to him. Personally I believe that he looked the most assured batsman out of all the Indian batters in the ongoing test series.

Let him play his natural game and he'll eventually come good.

 

[Hasan123]

But PP experts told us he's better than Kohli because he can dead bat on flat pitches.

This forum can be hillairious reading at times.

Kohli over Pujara anyday.

 

[EliteCynical]

He needs to be tried down the order before being written off

Kohli at 3,Rahane at 4 and Pujara at 5

Pujara argument has merit. I think Pujara at 5 could be a good option. Old ball may be his forte!

Kohli at 3 would be a disaster like we saw in WI when he dropped Vijay and Pujara and came at 3

 

[EliteCynical]

He has been forced to play a game which isn't natural to him. Personally I believe that he looked the most assured batsman out of all the Indian batters in the ongoing test series.

Let him play his natural game and he'll eventually come good.

Then you and I have been watch different series. Again I will reiterate, his record has been ABYSMAL in EVERY COUNTRY outside Asia. Not sure who was stopping him from playing his natural game. I am all ears but I cannot find a single argument which can show Pujara's overseas record in good light!

 

[EliteCynical]

Question marks are there but he needs the captain who would let him be ie. defensive player rather than constantly reminding him about scoring faster. Kohli wants everyone around him to be like him which is frankly ********. India's problem as of now is loosing early wickets. So, they really need someone who can eat all the deliveries removing all the shine.

PS. Pujara wasn't too bad last time around in SA. He has been mediocre everywhere else though.

Scored a 150 in second innings at Joburg when their best bowler Morkel got injured. Kohli scored a 119 in first innings and 96 in second. The 119 i rate high because it came on Day 1 and pitch had something.

I just feel he has hung around far too often on the basis of that 153!

 

[Chrish]

Scored a 150 in second innings at Joburg when their best bowler Morkel got injured. Kohli scored a 119 in first innings and 96 in second. The 119 i rate high because it came on Day 1 and pitch had something.

I just feel he has hung around far too often on the basis of that 153!

But does India even have anyone better to replace him? Assuming Rahane would replace Rohit, they have no choice but to persist him. So in a meantime provide him the most suitable environment conductive to his batting.

PS. at no point in time Morkel was their best bowler..

 

[EliteCynical]

But does India even have anyone better to replace him? Assuming Rahane would replace Rohit, they have no choice but to persist him. So in a meantime provide him the most suitable environment conductive to his batting.

PS. at no point in time Morkel was their best bowler..

That's the problem. The whole India A tour where Iyer and Nair did well in 2017 has turned out to be a farce now. Neither Iyer (who was in the team for Dharmashala test ahead of Rohit), nor Nair are in the fringe now. Also Ishan Kishan who was the keeper during that series is no where to be seen. So effectively India were sitting inside this happy cocoon called India , SL and WI and hoping Pujara and Rohit would come good.

I would like Pujara to be dropped and Rohit to continue, call me crazy, but yes.

 

[Matlab kuch bhi]

To be honest we don't have any batsmen right now who are masters in all conditions. Kohli is amazing against pace and bounce but would struggle against lateral movement and high quality spin, Rahane is amazing away from home but cannot play standard spin bowling, Pujara who is our premier batsman against spin bowling struggles away from home.