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Kerala Assembly passes resolution against Citizenship Amendment Act
PTI Thiruvananthapuram | Updated on December 31, 2019 Published on December 31, 2019

The Kerala Assembly on Tuesday passed a resolution demanding scrapping of the controversial Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), becoming the first state in the country to do so.

While Chief Ministers of non-BJP ruled states like Mamata Banerjee of West Bengal have announced that they would not implement CAA, CPI(M)-ruled Kerala was the first to take the legislature route to register its opposition to the law.

Setting aside their political differences, the ruling CPI(M)-led LDF and Opposition Congress headed UDF, once again came together to launch a joint fight against the Centre on the CAA, which has seen unprecedented protests all over the country.

While all the members of two fronts unanimously supported the resolution at the special session and vehemently criticised the central government, the lone BJP MLA in the 140-member house opposed the resolution, terming it as “illegal and unconstitutional.”

‘Against the secular values’

P Vijayan, who moved the resolution and Leader of Opposition Ramesh Chennithala, who seconded it, alleged that CAA was an attempt to make India a religious nation, which Rajagopal rejected saying the Act was being “misinterpreted” and lies were being spread by the fronts for narrow political gains.

The Chief Minister said the implementation of the controversial act will lead to religion-based discrimination in granting citizenship, which was against the secular values enshrined in the Constitution.

The legislation, which contradicts the basic values and principles of the Constitution, was a cause of concern for the Non-Resident Indians also, he said and wanted the Centre to take steps to drop CAA and uphold the secular credentials of the Constitution.

The southern state has already put on hold all activities in connection with the National Population Register (NPR) considering the “apprehensions” of the public that it would lead to National Register of Citizens (NRC).

Noting that the Act had triggered widespread protests among various strata of society, the Chief Minister P Vijayan said it had dented India’s image in front of the international community.

Vijayan also made it clear that there would be no detention centres set up to house illegal immigrants in the state. “Just because both houses of Parliament has passed the CAA, it cannot be implemented as it was against constitutional values,” he said.

‘CAA rejects equality’
Congress leader Ramesh Chennithala also criticised the CAA and came down on the state governor Arif Mohammed Khan for supporting the Act. “The Governor should be above politics,” Chennithala said adding he should understand the feelings of the people of the State.

He claimed that the controversial Act virtually rejects the equality guaranteed by the Constitution and violates the fundamental rights of the citizens.

The CAA cannot be viewed as an isolated move but it should be seen along with the NRC and NPR, he added.

Joint protest
The Opposition Congress-led UDF had wanted the Left government to convene a special session and pass a resolution against the CAA during an all-party meeting convened by the Chief Minister on December 29 to discuss the issue.

The two fronts had recently held a joint protest in Thiruvananthapuram against the CAA in which Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan and Opposition leader Ramesh Chennithala had participated with scores of leaders from different parties.


The resolution was passed at the special session convened to ratify the extension by another 10 years the reservation for SC and ST community in the state assemblies and Parliament. The House also passed another resolution criticising the removal of the Anglo Indian community from the reservation in the state assemblies and Parliament.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...itizenship-amendment-act/article30442061.ece#


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Ok, so this news is a bit dated however, I wanted to get some thoughts from the Indian Ppers here.

What does this mean for Kerala ?

Supreme Court of India has made the ruling, can the state government overrule SC, I dont believe so, correct me if I am wrong.

Why did Kerala government pass the resolution against the CAA ?. Why didnt they do this in the Shabharimala Verdict ?

Vote bank, both the Congress and Communist depend heavily on the muslim votes and this could have been done to appease them. However I feel Kerala CM Pinarayi Vijayan is very smart, he made this move purely to look like the good guy, possibly knowing there could be a Presidential order forcing Kerala to implement the CAA. If the Presidential order is enforced then there is no changing it and in that scenario Viyajan still looks like the good guy looking like he fought against the CCA and keeps his votes..Pure hypothesis...

Kerala government didnt need to take a stance on the Shabharimala issue as they know the Hindus in Kerala will not vote for BJP, so no issues of losing votes there..

What does this mean for Kerala from a political sense ?

Does this mean the Modi government wont release much funds from the budget to Kerala and bring them to their knees ? Could we turn into the next Bihar or worst?


Bangladeshi Illegal immigrants

Does this mean for the time being we could see a big influx of Bangladeshi Illegal immigrants moving to Kerala from other Indian states ?
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This resolution holds no significance. If the supreme court upholds the8 constitutionality of the CAA, then everyone has to implement it. The SC has not passed any judgement. But a law passed by the parliament can only be declared null and void by the SC or repealed by the parliament. States cant do jack.

If a state refuses then Union govt can pass them directives under the constitution to implement the law.

If the state govt still refuses, it can be dismissed under Article 356.
 
Good on Kerala, not only sticking up for Indian secular values, but for humanity and the common good.
 
cricketjoshila said:
This resolution holds no significance. If the supreme court upholds the8 constitutionality of the CAA, then everyone has to implement it. The SC has not passed any judgement. But a law passed by the parliament can only be declared null and void by the SC or repealed by the parliament. States cant do jack.

If a state refuses then Union govt can pass them directives under the constitution to implement the law.

If the state govt still refuses, it can be dismissed under Article 356.
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That's what I thought, CM Pinarayi Vijayan did a face saving vote saving tactic by bringing in this resolution against CAA. He knows it will make no difference however he saves his vote bank.. However I do have a genuine concern, Modi government is not going to take this lightly they will want to set a precedent for rest of India who has plans to do things like this, I believe they will bring Kerala to it's knees for acting stupid.
 
Kroll said:
Good on Kerala, not only sticking up for Indian secular values, but for humanity and the common good.
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Its not secular at all, it is minority appeasement for vote politics. If this was a secular issue Kerala government would have taken a similar stance in regards to Shabharimala issue which they didn't because they know the Hindus of Kerala wont vote for BJP....:asif
 
They can sort to non cooperate with centre in implementing CAA i guess. The State Government has already gone to Supreme Court questioning CAA.
 
kaayal said:
They can sort to non cooperate with centre in implementing CAA i guess. The State Government has already gone to Supreme Court questioning CAA.
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Non cooperate? How?

If they dont, then they risk article 356.

All their hopes are on SC declaring this unconstitutional.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Art Artist <a href="https://t.co/dB0kXRk43W">pic.twitter.com/dB0kXRk43W</a></p>— BJP Delhi (@BJP4Delhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/BJP4Delhi/status/1219297272652951552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The gloves and the masks are off!
 
NO Stay on CAA, process of NPR; Govt has 4 weeks to respond


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...their-implementation/articleshow/73532593.cms

Just as I thought, Kerala will soon have to implement CAA.. Pinarayi Vijayan, will get to keep is loyal muslim vote bank as it looks like he made an attempt to resist it when he knew all along Kerala would have to implement CAA, it was all an act by his government. 'Lights Camera Action'...


Game almost over for Kerala...
 
Pakpak said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Art Artist <a href="https://t.co/dB0kXRk43W">pic.twitter.com/dB0kXRk43W</a></p>— BJP Delhi (@BJP4Delhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/BJP4Delhi/status/1219297272652951552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The gloves and the masks are off!
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Delhi elections are just round the corner and these goons are desperate for electoral success however it comes....Last time these goons were in power in Delhi was when Tendulkar was having his best ever year in international cricket...
 
Abdullah719 said:
Hasina, Karzai join criticism of Indian citizenship law

NEW DELHI: Bangladesh and Afghanistan have opposed India’s controversial law — the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) — which cites the two together with Pakistan as the three neighbours that discriminate against non-Muslim minorities.

Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai told The Hindu that the law which excludes Muslims and woos Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Christians and Parsis from the three countries for citizenship rights should be extended to everyone equally.

“We don’t have persecuted minorities in Afghanistan… the whole country is persecuted. We have been in war and conflict for a long time. All religions in Afghanistan — Muslims and Hindus and Sikhs — which are our three main religions, have suffered,” Mr Karzai said.

He was speaking to The Hindu during a visit to Delhi where he addressed the inaugural session of the government’s Raisina Dialogue. Mr Karzai said he hoped the sentiment that minorities must be protected “would be reflected in India with regard to other Afghans, who are Muslim, as well.”

Mr Karzai’s comments, differing from New Delhi’s view are significant, given that he has been seen as a strong friend of India. Like many Afghan leaders, Mr Karzai has also lived in India for several years beginning in 1976, and has studied in Shimla.

In December, India’s foreign ministry had clarified that the CAA referred to past attacks against minorities in Afghanistan and that the current government had “substantially addressed the concerns of the minority communities as per their constitutional provisions.”

Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, seen as a key regional ally of India’s rightwing Hindu revivalist government, criticised the new law in an interview with Dubai’s Gulf News, saying the new law was not necessary.

Ms Hasina said Prime Minister Narendra Modi had personally assured her that a related new measure — the National Register of Citizens (NRC) — was an internal matter of India that would not affect her people. But the NRC is being implemented in Assam, and is proposed to be extended across the country, with a view to sending back alleged illegal Bangladeshi migrants to their country.

Home Minister Amit Shah has said the proposed countrywide NRC would be used to evict Muslim “termites”.

“We don’t understand why (the Indian government) did it. It was not necessary,” Ms Hasina told Gulf News in Abu Dhabi where she held high-level meetings. The statement is the first by the Bangladesh leader since the disputed law, that has triggered protests across India, was cleared by the Rajya Sabha on Dec 11.

During the parliamentary debates, Home Minister Amit Shah repeatedly referred to persecution faced by minority communities, mainly the Hindus, in Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan arguing that these groups should get citizenship rights in India. Ms Hasina distanced her country from the line taken by the Indian government.

“It is an internal affair. Bangladesh has always maintained that the CAA and NRC are internal matters of India. The government of India, on their part, has also repeatedly maintained that the NRC is an internal exercise of India, and Prime Minister Narendra Modi has in person assured me of the same during my visit to New Delhi in October 2019,” she said.

Ms Hasina’s government has said that minority communities did not leave her country because of persecution and maintained that there is no reverse migration from India either. “But within India, people are facing many problems,” she declared.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1529438
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So these clowns have managed to antagonize even 2 of India's staunchest allies! Wah re Feku, teri foreign policy.. Wah....
 
Hornbill said:
They are shameless liars and opportunist one of their top leader who supported beef ban was caught eating beef he said it was onion based dish
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Yeah.

That's why I always wonder how could any sane person actually ever vote for these illiterate scums....
 
And this creature is the blue-eyed man of event manager....Shows the literacy levels in sangh, right at the top....

This creature is also their central observer (kinda head of their election campaign) for WB assembly polls, well till last time I checked....
 
Majority of kerala's revenue comes from expat money, liquor and lottery sales so politicians are hardly bothered about centre's assistance, if centre blocks assistance for Kerala that will only benefit anti Bjp politicians.
 
Btw Poha is my favorite breakfast item. Does that make me a Bangladeshi?
 
Back on topic, some of the old folks in my family and locality are seriously worried about their citizenship because of their lack of documents.:(
 
MP2011 said:
Yeah.

That's why I always wonder how could any sane person actually ever vote for these illiterate scums....
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Sreesanth contested under their banner and got nearly 35000 votes without conducting proper election campaign, people who voted for him belongs to so called hundred percent literate constituency.
 
kaayal said:
Back on topic, some of the old folks in my family and locality are seriously worried about their citizenship because of their lack of documents.:(
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Iam surprised that Kerala which has good literacy rate and they lack documents.
 
kaayal said:
Back on topic, some of the old folks in my family and locality are seriously worried about their citizenship because of their lack of documents.:(
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I think malabar region will be the first independent nation born out of present day India if any discriminatory laws are applied.
 
andy0204 said:
Iam surprised that Kerala which has good literacy rate and they lack documents.
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Old people definitely don’t have birth certificate and some of them can’t find their name in land inheritance/registration paper also. We tried to console them it’s ok we can apply for it if we prove that we are living here for many years but they are still worried. They are poor and not well off.
 
kaayal said:
Old people definitely don’t have birth certificate and some of them can’t find their name in land inheritance/registration paper also. We tried to console them it’s ok we can apply for it if we prove that we are living here for many years but they are still worried. They are poor and not well off.
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If the muslim conseratives allowed muslim women to attend proper schools before 60's especially in malabar region I think they won't be in a situation like this(my guess is based on karisheri sir's speech).Our schools are also poor at preserving old documents so there is also chance of loosing those if they actually went to proper schools.
 
kaayal said:
Every poor people will be doomed. Not specific to Malabar region.
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But I think strong resistance against any discriminatory laws will come from that region that will eventually lead to it's independence.I also think there is a chance of whole tamilnadu and kerala getting separated from Indian union if concerns of people are not properly addressed.
 
Hornbill said:
If the muslim conseratives allowed muslim women to attend proper schools before 60's especially in malabar region I think they won't be in a situation like this(my guess is based on karisheri sir's speech).Our schools are also poor at preserving old documents so there is also chance of loosing those if they actually went to proper schools.
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Most of them were born at home with midwives assisting them and have studied upto 5th-6th standard I guess. They are traders and businessman basically. Rest went to the gulf for menial jobs. All they have is voter id, adhaar, ration card and passport which is not proof for citizenship. The lesser said about the women the better. Thankfully, they educated their kids irrespective of their gender.
 
Hornbill said:
But I think strong resistance against any discriminatory laws will come from that region that will eventually lead to it's independence.I also think there is a chance of whole tamilnadu and kerala getting separated from Indian union if concerns of people are not properly addressed.
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I hope it doesn’t extend to that line. We want everyone together.:(
 
kaayal said:
Old people definitely don’t have birth certificate and some of them can’t find their name in land inheritance/registration paper also. We tried to console them it’s ok we can apply for it if we prove that we are living here for many years but they are still worried. They are poor and not well off.
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That's the common problem for old people who are living in rural areas and the poor ones.
 
Hornbill said:
But I think strong resistance against any discriminatory laws will come from that region that will eventually lead to it's independence.I also think there is a chance of whole tamilnadu and kerala getting separated from Indian union if concerns of people are not properly addressed.
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I was sent to Tamil Nadu few months ago to prepare the groundwork for the future.
 
Hornbill said:
But I think strong resistance against any discriminatory laws will come from that region that will eventually lead to it's independence.I also think there is a chance of whole tamilnadu and kerala getting separated from Indian union if concerns of people are not properly addressed.
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:))... You seem to live in the world of Command and Conquer... Congress and Indira Gandhi destroyed the Khalistanis, Kashmiri seperatists have been getting slammed by practically every Indian Government that came to power, any resistance will meet the fate of the former...If Kerala and Tamil Nadu separated that would set a precedence for rest of the states, any resistance will be crushed, yes people will be killed however Indian government will bring out the iron fist not let an inch of the country to be separated.. There will not be another Pakistan/Bangladesh scenario.. However, it is still fun to think of the 'could happen' though, I give you that....
 
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Romali_rotti said:
:))... You seem to live in the world of Command and Conquer... Congress and Indira Gandhi destroyed the Khalistanis, Kashmiri seperatists have been getting slammed by practically every Indian Government that came to power, any resistance will meet the fate of the former...If Kerala and Tamil Nadu separated that would set a precedence for rest of the states, any resistance will be crushed, yes people will be killed however Indian government will bring out the iron fist not let an inch of the country to be separated.. There will not be another Pakistan/Bangladesh scenario.. However, it is still fun to think of the 'could happen' though, I give you that....
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I think it's you who is living in the world of Command and Conquer. When was the last time Indian military crushed anyone other than Muslim side of Bengal or a few Sikhs holed up in the Golden Temple in Amritsar?

Indians are flat track bullies, and you would have a hard time disproving it.
 
All this talk of separation is cheap, TN will be an integral part of the Union of India come what may be. Sure we have problems with the direction New Delhi is heading towards, aren't happy with RSS/BJP/Nagpur politics etc, doesn't mean our allegiance to the Tiranga has dampened, in fact it has only strengthened and resulted in more intropsection about the ideals and vision of our founding fathers. India as we know it today is a new country, RSS is not even a century old, Modi has been in power for 5.5 years and isn't getting younger. One day the pendulum has to change direction, UPA era is equally responsible for the current mess and we need to admit that.

Far worse tyrants have been vanquished, BJP in its current version too will meet the same fate unless it course corrects and adopts a moderate stance. Anyway hope certain people don't have delusions about any secession possibility in South India, never gonna happen. Critics of this regime understand that Modi isn't some supreme leader and BJP isn't India. This is a constitutional fight, for certain values and as is tradition this will be done in a Gandhian way. No place for violence, idea is to change minds of the other side and not bear any ill will, idea is to educate the supporters of the regime about the pitfalls that lie ahead if we continue in this path. Enough tools in democracy to make our displeasure known and to put pressure on the govt, any attempt towards violence will be self defeating and only give more ammo to the fascists.
 
[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] [MENTION=149506]andy0204[/MENTION] what do you guys think of Sharjeel Imam , so educated and still talking in tone like BJP supporters, I did see his whole video so to not think its out of context.

He opposed Tharoor as well.
 
JaDed said:
[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] [MENTION=149506]andy0204[/MENTION] what do you guys think of Sharjeel Imam , so educated and still talking in tone like BJP supporters, I did see his whole video so to not think its out of context.

He opposed Tharoor as well.
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I watched his video not only he opposed Tharoor,he opposed Mahatma Gandhi,Mohammad Ali Jinnah by calling them fascist,average.
His speech was like a Muslim apologist.
 
JaDed said:
[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] [MENTION=149506]andy0204[/MENTION] what do you guys think of Sharjeel Imam , so educated and still talking in tone like BJP supporters, I did see his whole video so to not think its out of context.

He opposed Tharoor as well.
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An idiot or a stooge posted by bjp to destroy the shaheen bagh protests.Otherwise why would anyone in their sane mind would say such things? But one thing he said is right that Muslims need to unite to stand up against this fascist force. There is no unity among ourselves.
 
kaayal said:
An idiot or a stooge posted by bjp to destroy the shaheen bagh protests.Otherwise why would anyone in their sane mind would say such things? But one thing he said is right that Muslims need to unite to stand up against this fascist force. There is no unity among ourselves.
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Don’t think this guy is from BJP , he is from
JNU and he actually believes this, his previous posts and current support show that.

Unity can be a good or bad thing.
 
JaDed said:
Don’t think this guy is from BJP , he is from
JNU and he actually believes this, his previous posts and current support show that.

Unity can be a good or bad thing.
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Some JNU guys do have such weird ideas but that’s usually restricted to them.

And True, unity under a good leadership is what I meant otherwise it will be like what is now under Modi and Amit Shah.
 
JaDed said:
[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] [MENTION=149506]andy0204[/MENTION] what do you guys think of Sharjeel Imam , so educated and still talking in tone like BJP supporters, I did see his whole video so to not think its out of context.

He opposed Tharoor as well.
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There are many Sharjeel imams. He only got caught.
 
kaayal said:
Some JNU guys do have such weird ideas but that’s usually restricted to them.

And True, unity under a good leadership is what I meant otherwise it will be like what is now under Modi and Amit Shah.
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If majority is oppressed they will let their voice be heard by the ballot.
 
cricketjoshila said:
There are many Sharjeel imams. He only got caught.
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Yeah but he is not a member of BJP , BJP leaders and MLAs have said worstt worst things, terrible things to be said by elected leaders.

I expect less of people more of elected leaders and ruling party..
 
cricketjoshila said:
If majority is oppressed they will let their voice be heard by the ballot.
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Majority is as oppressed, where do you come up with these things, I never felt oppressed, not sure
what you on about, unless you are talking about discriminated Hindu castes which Im not from not sure how majority is oppressed.

If anything Brahmins ,Khatriyas oppressed other Hindus.
 
JaDed said:
Yeah but he is not a member of BJP , BJP leaders and MLAs have said worstt worst things, terrible things to be said by elected leaders.

I expect less of people more of elected leaders and ruling party..
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Have Bjp leaders said they will cut off a part of India?

Have they threatened to stop supplies to a state?

Have they threatened to stop water supply and milk supply of a city?
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION]
[MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION]

What do you guys have to say about Sharjeel Imam?

How will Assamese react if he tries to carry out his threat?
 
JaDed said:
Majority is as oppressed, where do you come up with these things, I never felt oppressed, not sure
what you on about, unless you are talking about discriminated Hindu castes which Im not from not sure how majority is oppressed.

If anything Brahmins ,Khatriyas oppressed other Hindus.
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Yes here we go again. The usual rubbish about castes.

Let me tell you that this propoganda is not working anymore. Hindus of all castes have realised that if they have to get their rights and get rid of minority appeasement and get their equal rights they will have to be united. The result is for all to see.

Btw your favourite The Wire had Sharjeel Imam as a contributor.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Yes here we go again. The usual rubbish about castes.

Let me tell you that this propoganda is not working anymore. Hindus of all castes have realised that if they have to get their rights and get rid of minority appeasement and get their equal rights they will have to be united. The result is for all to see.

Btw your favourite The Wire had Sharjeel Imam as a contributor.
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Yes I condemn and hate what Sharjeel says and Wire should never write for em
again, What about BJP MLAs that threaten with Gujarat riots, would you ask for their resignation, what about the ones that watch adult clips in assembly being made deputy CM, would you ask for their resignation.
 
Achievements of Modi in 2020

India falls down 10 ranks in Democracy Index
Tax Collection Growth of latest fiscal is in negative
IMF blames slowdown in Indian economy for slowdown in other countries
Gujarat has become hub of Fake Currency after Demonetisation
US investors concerned over India’s economic slowdown and social unrest.
 
kaayal said:
Achievements of Modi in 2020

India falls down 10 ranks in Democracy Index
Tax Collection Growth of latest fiscal is in negative
IMF blames slowdown in Indian economy for slowdown in other countries
Gujarat has become hub of Fake Currency after Demonetisation
US investors concerned over India’s economic slowdown and social unrest.
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Indian fell down 3 ranks in corruption index ever since modi came to power lol
 
cricketjoshila said:
Yes here we go again. The usual rubbish about castes.

Let me tell you that this propoganda is not working anymore. Hindus of all castes have realised that if they have to get their rights and get rid of minority appeasement and get their equal rights they will have to be united. The result is for all to see.

Btw your favourite The Wire had Sharjeel Imam as a contributor.
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Are you saying caste discrimination is a propaganda?
 
Sanghis are weird creatures, they would support minorities (as long as that minority is Hindu) in other countries while moaning about the minority appeasement in India.

And if you can't read between the lines then you are a fool.
 
kk1992 said:
Sanghis are weird creatures, they would support minorities (as long as that minority is Hindu) in other countries while moaning about the minority appeasement in India.

And if you can't read between the lines then you are a fool.
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I see.. :)
 
kaayal said:
I hope it doesn’t extend to that line. We want everyone together.:(
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It will be interesting if it that happens imo we should return to pre independence situation. I think Rahul Gandhi will support the movement if you guys nominate him as PM of Republic of malabar:D
 
kaayal said:
Achievements of Modi in 2020

India falls down 10 ranks in Democracy Index
Tax Collection Growth of latest fiscal is in negative
IMF blames slowdown in Indian economy for slowdown in other countries
Gujarat has become hub of Fake Currency after Demonetisation
US investors concerned over India’s economic slowdown and social unrest.
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But But Modiji is doing a great job.
 
India is going down a DARK DARK path.

The worst is yet to come I feel.

And I don't see any alternative for Modi on the horizon which is what's truly scary.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Have Bjp leaders said they will cut off a part of India?

Have they threatened to stop supplies to a state?

Have they threatened to stop water supply and milk supply of a city?

[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION]
[MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION]

What do you guys have to say about Sharjeel Imam?

How will Assamese react if he tries to carry out his threat?
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The sentiment in assam isn't "us vs bjp" or "us vs rest of the states" or "us vs x,y,z religion" (which is different from rest of the agitation in different places).

These threats simply are ignored. The people have bigger tasks in hand and hence, the whole community is trying to protest while remaining in the constitutional rights. Reacting to these threats will just derail the whole movement and hence don't get importance.
 
Itachi said:
The sentiment in assam isn't "us vs bjp" or "us vs rest of the states" or "us vs x,y,z religion" (which is different from rest of the agitation in different places).

These threats simply are ignored. The people have bigger tasks in hand and hence, the whole community is trying to protest while remaining in the constitutional rights. Reacting to these threats will just derail the whole movement and hence don't get importance.
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So Assamese feel that being cut off from the rest of the country, is not a problem.

Sharjeel Imam said, that the chicken neck has big muslim population, and they can cut off the north east, it wont be an issue?
 
kaayal said:
True. There were many Davinder Singh but only this guy caught. Nobody wants to talk about that.
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No one here is defending a traitor like Davinder. But you tried defending Sharjeel by calling him a plant.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So Assamese feel that being cut off from the rest of the country, is not a problem.

Sharjeel Imam said, that the chicken neck has big muslim population, and they can cut off the north east, it wont be an issue?
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I was intrigued, I had no idea who Sharjeel Imam was so I did a google search and found out a few things. Firstly, he is far more handsome than the BJP politicians who are regularly making ludicrous speeches, and that in itself is a massive positive.

Secondly, when he is talking about cutting the chicken's neck, he does so because he wants rest of India to finally listen to grievances of the Muslim population in that area. Anyway, I know you are a fan of partition so maybe you should see the logic in his demands.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So Assamese feel that being cut off from the rest of the country, is not a problem.

Sharjeel Imam said, that the chicken neck has big muslim population, and they can cut off the north east, it wont be an issue?
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When you are in an institution, you have to trust the institution and the bonding. If some cousin of my gf tells that she will break us apart, will I be worried? Nope. There's better things to do then giving importance to that. The state authorities will take action if it comes to that.

If cutting off north east was that easy, then it would have had done multiple times over the course after freedom.

People not paying attention because people don't want to give importance to something which is highly unlikely.

As I said, the protest in Assam isn't over religion (unlike other places). While the protest in rest of India is to include Muslims, the protest in Assam is to exclude all.

One doesn't need to give importance to each and every words that comes from one or the other person everyday.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I was intrigued, I had no idea who Sharjeel Imam was so I did a google search and found out a few things. Firstly, he is far more handsome than the BJP politicians who are regularly making ludicrous speeches, and that in itself is a massive positive.

Secondly, when he is talking about cutting the chicken's neck, he does so because he wants rest of India to finally listen to grievances of the Muslim population in that area. Anyway, I know you are a fan of partition so maybe you should see the logic in his demands.
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which area?
 
AdamM97 said:
Is Savarkar a traitor for writing mercy petitions to the British?
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Nehru's father too wrote mercy petitions.

Gandhi signed agreements.

Bose formed an alliance with Hitler.

They did to get the best out of the situation they were in.
 
Itachi said:
When you are in an institution, you have to trust the institution and the bonding. If some cousin of my gf tells that she will break us apart, will I be worried? Nope. There's better things to do then giving importance to that. The state authorities will take action if it comes to that.

If cutting off north east was that easy, then it would have had done multiple times over the course after freedom.

People not paying attention because people don't want to give importance to something which is highly unlikely.

As I said, the protest in Assam isn't over religion (unlike other places). While the protest in rest of India is to include Muslims, the protest in Assam is to exclude all.

One doesn't need to give importance to each and every words that comes from one or the other person everyday.
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Institutions?

They first protested against Modi and BJP.

Then it was the army.

Then it was the parliamentary democracy.

Now the likes of Sharjeel Imam,Afreen Fatima,Arfa Khanum, and many others now say that supreme court is useless as it hanged Afzal Guru snd ordered the construction of Ram Mandir.

Which institution is left?

This fight is by a section of minority to have a veto on every policy of this country. This a fight to have priviledges and power. They cannot tolerate that their political veto via votebank is gone.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Nehru's father too wrote mercy petitions.

Gandhi signed agreements.

Bose formed an alliance with Hitler.

They did to get the best out of the situation they were in.
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Alright. Are Savarkar, Nehru’s father, Gandhi and Bose traitors or not?
 
Hornbill said:
It will be interesting if it that happens imo we should return to pre independence situation. I think Rahul Gandhi will support the movement if you guys nominate him as PM of Republic of malabar:D
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That’s a mistake we still regret. But keeping aside all these dynasty politics, i felt that he is a good guy but clueless most of the times. Not a PM material for sure.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why not?

A traitor is a traitor. Make no mistake.
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Davinder Singh was arrested with two terrorists of Hizbul Mujahideen. He was also found in possession of a few grenades and a rifle. When DIG present on the spot ordered his arrest, Davinder said "Sir, this is a game, don't spoil it."

You should channel your energy on what this powerful idiot was doing while living near the army headquarters than this idiot and powerless student who is spouting nonsense like that communal bjp Leaders. Guess we need to look at their clothes and religion while criticising i guess.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
India is going down a DARK DARK path.

The worst is yet to come I feel.

And I don't see any alternative for Modi on the horizon which is what's truly scary.
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Unfortunately true.:(

The more Modi-Shah supporters get mocked, the more they believe in their choice. And they are in millions, part of our nation. There is no vision in sight currently that seems to be working on changing that mindset with empathy. Even if Modi-Shah duo goes out of power, its support base will stay. It will be angry, desperate and shaken up. If that happens, then this hope for India's resurrection after Modi-Shah's exit from power will merely remain an illusion.
 
kaayal said:
Davinder Singh was arrested with two terrorists of Hizbul Mujahideen. He was also found in possession of a few grenades and a rifle. When DIG present on the spot ordered his arrest, Davinder said "Sir, this is a game, don't spoil it."

You should channel your energy on what this powerful idiot was doing while living near the army headquarters than this idiot and powerless student who is spouting nonsense like that communal bjp Leaders. Guess we need to look at their clothes and religion while criticising i guess.
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Davinder is a traitor and so is Sharjeel or anyone else who betrays this country.

You may look at someone's cloth and decide if he is a traitor or not, i wont.

Powerless? Sister he incited people to riot. To destroy things. His videos are all over social media. From Jamia to Jnu to AMU to Shaheen Bagh, he was everywhere asking people to riot and destroy.

Even if 10% of his alleged 5L organized mob does what he asked them to do at the Siliguri corridor or in 500 cities in India, what do you think will happen?
 
kaayal said:
Unfortunately true.:(

The more Modi-Shah supporters get mocked, the more they believe in their choice. And they are in millions, part of our nation. There is no vision in sight currently that seems to be working on changing that mindset with empathy. Even if Modi-Shah duo goes out of power, its support base will stay. It will be angry, desperate and shaken up. If that happens, then this hope for India's resurrection after Modi-Shah's exit from power will merely remain an illusion.
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Ever thought what brought Modi Shah to power?
 
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