Council of Islamic Ideology declares VPNs usage ‘un-Islamic’

[FearlessRoar]

The Council of Islamic Ideology has declared virtual private networks (VPNs) usage “un-Islamic” (against Sharia) as the interior ministry demands the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) block “illegal VPNs” across the country.

“The government has the authority to prevent access to immoral content and harmful material from an Islamic perspective,” CII Chairman Allama Dr Raghib Hussain Naeemi said in a statement on Friday.

Earlier in the day, the interior ministry asked the PTA to block “illegal VPNs” throughout the country, citing concerns that such networks were being used by terrorists to facilitate violent acts and access pornographic or blasphemous content.

VPNs, or Virtual Private Networks, are commonly utilised worldwide to bypass restrictions and access blocked content. In Pakistan, users often employ VPNs to visit sites like X and others that are not accessible.

In its statement, the PTA reported that it has blocked over 100,183 URLs that contained blasphemous material, as well as 844,008 indecent websites. The authority also noted that around 20 million attempts to access indecent sites are made daily from within Pakistan, all of which are blocked at the international gateway level.

CII Chairman Naeemi was of the view taking measures to block or limit access to “unethical and offensive content” is in accordance with Sharia.

The CII praised the implementation of its recommendations regarding VPNs. “Using VPNs to access illegal content or blocked websites is unlawful under Islamic law.”

Naeemi went on to add that it was the government’s “duty” to impose restrictions on such means that undermine societal values and legal compliance. He noted that VPNs are primarily used to access prohibited websites that have been blocked by the government.

When asked, he said that the VPNs serve as a technical means for users to conceal their true identity and location. “According to Islamic principles, the legality of any action depends on its purpose and method.”

He pointed out that VPNs can also be used for online theft, making it difficult to trace the perpetrator. The CII chairman declared that using VPNs to access blocked or illegal content “is a violation of both Islamic and societal laws.”

Using VPNs falls under the category of “assistance in sin,” which is prohibited by Sharia, he said and added that it was the “duty” of every Muslim to uphold the Constitution and laws of their country, provided they do not conflict with Islamic principles.

He further noted that accessing blocked websites, as permitted by the government for societal benefit, constitutes a violation of Islamic ethics.

Dr Naeemi mentioned that the Council had presented recommendations regarding the misuse of social media during its meeting on May 3, 2023.

Among such recommendations was a call for the PTA and the Federal Investigation Agency to expedite the registration process for social media websites.

The council also urged “immediate action” to block VPNs, further emphasizing the need for regulatory measures to address concerns about online safety and ethical standards.

Council of Islamic Ideology declares VPNs usage ‘un-Islamic’

CII chairman says government has authority to prevent access to ‘immoral content’

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[The Bald Eagle]

Edict issued by Mufti Mohsin Naqvi and Hafiz Mistri

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@Bewal Express, @Savak , @Kianig89, lol everyone in Pakistan is doing haram things by using VPN

 

[sweep_shot]

I often use VPN. Never seen anyone declare it as haram before. Need to look more into it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Why take away the last straw of happiness from people?

 

[Champ_Pal]

I often use VPN. Never seen anyone declare it as haram before. Need to look more into it.

The article has already cited the reasons.

 

[JaDed]

Will be hilarious if people adhere to it.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Will be hilarious if people adhere to it.

No one would

 

[Josh]

Vpn, specially the paid ones are haram

 

[Bewal Express]

@Bewal Express, @Savak , @Kianig89, lol everyone in Pakistan is doing haram things by using VPN

Now it's the turn of the maulvis to sell themselves to establishment and his band of crooks.

 

[Hitman]

Don't these uneducated mullahs have anything better to do than categorise things as haram and halaal all their life?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Vpn, specially the paid ones are haram

Why are paid ones Haram?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Don't these uneducated mullahs have anything better to do than categorise things as haram and halaal all their life?

You cannot separate Islam and Politics. Islam encompasses everything.

 

[sweep_shot]

Don't these uneducated mullahs have anything better to do than categorise things as haram and halaal all their life?

Don't you have anything better to do other than attacking Islam and Muslims all your life?

 

[Vikram1989]

People should pay for the VPN subscription but not use them as a protest

 

[Kianig89]

@Bewal Express, @Savak , @Kianig89, lol everyone in Pakistan is doing haram things by using VPN

Under establishment it is definitely haram

 

[BouncerGuy]

These molvis are on paycheck of GOV so they would say anything for money.

 

[adzzy786]

Honestly, Pakistan over the last 2 years has reached such lows- honestly it’s embarrassing. VPN harass are you kidding me

I suppose if you are happy to steal the public mandate and force your self on the people. Then anything goes to try to get them to comply.

Public protests will also become haraam one day. Democracy will also be haram one day.

 

[Hitman]

Don't you have anything better to do other than attacking Islam and Muslims all your life?

I do. That is making fun of Pakistan, although it takes very little effort for anyone to do so.

 

[Technics 1210]

VPNs are banned in many country but this news is hilarious!

Every government can block content with or without a VPN anyway.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Now Pakistanis will come here and call these people illiterate moulvis and present themselves to be modernised liberal muslims.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The Council of Islamic Ideology has declared virtual private networks (VPNs) usage “un-Islamic” (against Sharia) as the interior ministry demands the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) block “illegal VPNs” across the country.

“The government has the authority to prevent access to immoral content and harmful material from an Islamic perspective,” CII Chairman Allama Dr Raghib Hussain Naeemi said in a statement on Friday.

Earlier in the day, the interior ministry asked the PTA to block “illegal VPNs” throughout the country, citing concerns that such networks were being used by terrorists to facilitate violent acts and access pornographic or blasphemous content.

VPNs, or Virtual Private Networks, are commonly utilised worldwide to bypass restrictions and access blocked content. In Pakistan, users often employ VPNs to visit sites like X and others that are not accessible.

In its statement, the PTA reported that it has blocked over 100,183 URLs that contained blasphemous material, as well as 844,008 indecent websites. The authority also noted that around 20 million attempts to access indecent sites are made daily from within Pakistan, all of which are blocked at the international gateway level.

CII Chairman Naeemi was of the view taking measures to block or limit access to “unethical and offensive content” is in accordance with Sharia.

The CII praised the implementation of its recommendations regarding VPNs. “Using VPNs to access illegal content or blocked websites is unlawful under Islamic law.”

Naeemi went on to add that it was the government’s “duty” to impose restrictions on such means that undermine societal values and legal compliance. He noted that VPNs are primarily used to access prohibited websites that have been blocked by the government.

When asked, he said that the VPNs serve as a technical means for users to conceal their true identity and location. “According to Islamic principles, the legality of any action depends on its purpose and method.”

He pointed out that VPNs can also be used for online theft, making it difficult to trace the perpetrator. The CII chairman declared that using VPNs to access blocked or illegal content “is a violation of both Islamic and societal laws.”

Using VPNs falls under the category of “assistance in sin,” which is prohibited by Sharia, he said and added that it was the “duty” of every Muslim to uphold the Constitution and laws of their country, provided they do not conflict with Islamic principles.

He further noted that accessing blocked websites, as permitted by the government for societal benefit, constitutes a violation of Islamic ethics.

Dr Naeemi mentioned that the Council had presented recommendations regarding the misuse of social media during its meeting on May 3, 2023.

Among such recommendations was a call for the PTA and the Federal Investigation Agency to expedite the registration process for social media websites.

The council also urged “immediate action” to block VPNs, further emphasizing the need for regulatory measures to address concerns about online safety and ethical standards.

Council of Islamic Ideology declares VPNs usage ‘un-Islamic’

CII chairman says government has authority to prevent access to ‘immoral content’

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Very good another masterpiece for Islam.

 

[Kroll]

I often use VPN. Never seen anyone declare it as haram before. Need to look more into it.

Its just emotional blackmail and they are using it as a convenient excuse, VPN isn't haram by any stretch of the imagination. it's a legitimate tool often needed in a work based environment which might be necessary.

Bu this logic, they could say the internet is haram, use of smartphones is haram etc.

 

[sweep_shot]

Shaykh Assim's opinion regarding VPN:

 

[Kroll]

Shaykh Assim's opinion regarding VPN:

He's talking about its legality where it may be prohibited, which is totally different issue.

 

[JaDed]

Pakistan Establish has literally wrecked its IT industry, for 4 years it was actually in an upward trajectory and now whatever the economic data massaging they do but truth is literally many Texas companies are annoyed by the inconsistency in Pakistani services.

 

[sweep_shot]

He's talking about its legality where it may be prohibited, which is totally different issue.

Yes.

As per Shaykh Assim, it is okay to use VPN if it is not illegal in the country.

 

[Kroll]

Govt. could just have come with ban statement regarding use of non work related VPNs instead of getting Islamic Council or sharia laws involved and make it laughing stock.

 

[topspin]

It depends what you are using the VPN for.

Pakistanis use it to watch porn.

 

[Kianig89]

What next CII to declare elastic in trousers haraam, pathetic Ulema for sale

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistan Establish has literally wrecked its IT industry, for 4 years it was actually in an upward trajectory and now whatever the economic data massaging they do but truth is literally many Texas companies are annoyed by the inconsistency in Pakistani services.

Even on a smaller scale many freelancers were unable to turn around tasks on fiver Upwork and freelance on time over the past few months. I saw a few screenshots of frustrated people who just went elsewhere. These freelancers were able to make a month's wages by doing few hours work and now people are fearful of using them incase there is upheaval again.

 

[RexRex]

Govt. could just have come with ban statement regarding use of non work related VPNs instead of getting Islamic Council or sharia laws involved and make it laughing stock.

Council got involved because people in Pakistan have been using VPNs to access porn which is un-islamic.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What a hypocrisy
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The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) has made the VPN registration process look “much easier”.

According to details surfaced on Saturday, the PTA had rolled out the freelance category for the commercial use of the VPNs in the country. The PTA spokesperson: “Any person can be registered for the commercial use of the VPNs.”

The PTA stated, “The application can be submitted for the commercial use of the VPNs in the freelance category.”

He said, “The IT companies, banks, and freelancers can get themselves registered for the commercial use of the VPNs.”

“The Pakistan Software Export Board (PSEB) members can also take advantage of this facility. As of now, over 20,000 companies and freelancers have gotten themselves registered for the use of the VPN.”

The PTA had made it clear that to get oneself registered for VPN use, it is mandatory to complete the online form and provide the basic details.

Moreover, the PTA had made it mandatory for the freelancers to submit proof of their association with a project or company when applying for VPN usage.

The applicants are required to provide an IP address to establish VPN connectivity. The spokesperson confirmed that the VPN registration is free of charge, with approvals typically processed within eight to ten working hours.

Source: Samaa News

 

[Kroll]

Council got involved because people in Pakistan have been using VPNs to access porn

Not VPN's fault, VPN is not intrinsically un-Islamic.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Not VPN's fault, VPN is not intrinsically un-Islamic.

This government does not know what to do now.

Paid mullahs to issue that fatwa first and now making the process smooth for the same VPN/...LOL

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Haven't gone through the thread, but what about using VPN in an atheist country like China to further some righteous cause? Will it still be considered "un-Islamic"?

 

[Bhaijaan]

I would really be interested in a separate dedicated thread on Council of Islamic Ideology of Pakistan. Sounds like a serious organization.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It depends what you are using the VPN for.

Pakistanis use it to watch porn.

They wouldn't have much choice like people in other countries where porn is far more accessible.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Council of Islamic Ideology under fire over decree against use of VPNs

In an unprecedented proclamation on Friday, CII chief Dr Raghib Naeemi said using VPNs to access “immoral or illegal content” was against Sharia. The council advises parliament on aligning legislation with Islamic teachings.

A CII member told Dawn that the statement was Dr Naeemi’s “personal views” and not the council’s decision.

He said watching immoral content by using technology cannot be categorised as a religious issue.

Despite the CII’s proclamation, almost all federal and provincial officials and departments continue to operate their X accounts through VPNs.

Key federal government departments, including the PM House and the ministries of religious affairs, IT and telecom, foreign affairs and information have been routinely posting on X.

In a social media statement on Saturday, Maulana Tariq Jameel, a prominent religious scholar, said if watching adult content or blasphemous material was an issue then mobile phones should be declared un-Islamic before labelling VPNs as such.

Lawmakers, technical experts and activists also criticised Dr Naeemi’s statement.

Wahaj Siraj, the CEO of telecom company Nayatel, said technology has always been neutral and only its use or misuse made it ‘Halal or Haram’.

Rights activists said the decree reflected an attempt to reiterate the state’s narrative to curb freedom of expression.

Nighat Dad, the executive director of Digital Rights Foundation, said the action to block VPNs was “contradictory” to the rights of privacy granted in the Constitution.

“This move was only to target certain social media users,” she claimed.

Senator Palwasha Khan has called a meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on IT and telecom, which she heads, on Nov 18.

The meeting will discuss restrictions on what the telecom regulator called “illegal” use of VPNs in Pakistan.

Ms Khan questioned if the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) will be monitoring the content watched by users.

The chief of Majlis Wahdat Muslimeen (MWM), Senator Allama Nasir Abbas, said the country was being ruled by an “incompetent and corrupt elite” who were not even the true representatives of people.

“They make laws in such a way and are using decrees … as per their whims,” Senator Abbas added.

Meanwhile, PTA has again asked commercial consumers to register their VPNs.

The PTA statement on Saturday said software houses, call centres, banks, embassies, and freelancers can easily register their VPNs online through the PTA’s website.

“Members of the Pakistan Software Export Board (PSEB) can also avail this facility, and the registration involves completing online form and providing basic details, including CNIC, company registration details, taxpayer status,” the PTA added.

Freelancers can submit the requisite documentation, such as a letter or email, verifying their project or company association.

Any individual using VPN for commercial purposes can apply in the freelancer category after providing the required information, including supporting evidence from the employer.

The PTA has said that the registration process was free and approvals are granted within 8 to 10.

It claimed that around 20,000 companies and freelancers have already registered their VPNs.

Council of Islamic Ideology under fire over decree against use of VPNs

Lawmakers, ulema censure council’s chief; source says statement was Dr Naeemi’s opinion.

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[FearlessRoar]

'If VPN use is un-Islamic, then cellphones are too': Maulana Tariq Jamil​

In response to a recent fatwa issued by the Islamic Ideological Council declaring Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) as un-Islamic (haram), renowned Islamic scholar Maulana Tariq Jamil has expressed his views, questioning the rationale behind the decision.

Speaking to a private channel, Maulana Tariq Jamil stated that if VPNs are considered un-Islamic, then mobile phones should also be deemed "haram," as they can be used to access a wide range of content, including what is typically restricted by VPNs.

Maulana Tariq Jamil further remarked that he was unaware of the specific religious council responsible for issuing the fatwa, but he believed that deeming VPNs as "haram" was a narrow-minded stance.

He stressed that there were far more problematic elements within mobile phones that could be more detrimental than VPN usage.

This debate comes after the Islamic Ideological Council's fatwa, which declared VPNs illegal, citing concerns over their potential to bypass internet censorship and access prohibited material.

Additionally, Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) had recently blocked a significant number of unregistered VPNs across the country.

Earlier on Friday, the Ministry of Interior directed the Pakistan Telecom Authority (PTA) to block all illegal Virtual Private Networks (VPNs), saying the proxies were not only being used by the terrorists but also by internet users for "discreetly" accessing pornographic and blasphemous contents.

The interior ministry's letter to the PTA has come on the heels of frequent internet disruptions in Pakistan amid wide use of VPNs to access X, formerly Twitter - from the prime minister down to the common man - as the micro-blogging site isn't accessible for several months now. The ban on X was followed by the government's reported move to slowdown internet.

Nevertheless, the issue of banning X to sluggish speed of the internet has been questioned by many, including PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari – ruling PML-N government's key ally – and vice president of a leading US technology think-tank, Daniel Castro, as well as from tech industry to general public.

Maulana Tariq Jamil: If VPN is haram, Mobile phones should be too | The Express Tribune

Maulana Tariq Jamil criticizes fatwa on VPN, Calls it Narrow-Minded

tribune.com.pk

 

[Varun]

Do these guys even know the full form of VPN?

 

[Bewal Express]

Do these guys even know the full form of VPN?

Off course they don't. They took instruction from establishment and made a fatwa. They have followed our Police, Lawyers and the courts in following orders. Our SC is no longer and has no power and this is a systemic destruction of a country.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan Establish has literally wrecked its IT industry, for 4 years it was actually in an upward trajectory and now whatever the economic data massaging they do but truth is literally many Texas companies are annoyed by the inconsistency in Pakistani services.

Two of my friends, both highly educated and with skills that could land them a job anywhere, are currently unemployed. All because of an effort to maintain the status quo and keep one person in jail.

It’s just another example of how politicians twist religion to stay in power.

 

[topspin]

They wouldn't have much choice like people in other countries where porn is far more accessible.

Another option for them is to go to India and get the deed done in person.

 

[KB]

Two of my friends, both highly educated and with skills that could land them a job anywhere, are currently unemployed. All because of an effort to maintain the status quo and keep one person in jail.

It’s just another example of how politicians twist religion to stay in power.

As is implied here, this decision has more to do with politics than religion. Post 39 also calls into question whether this is actually a consensual Council decision or the Chairman’s own call.

We would do well to remember that the appointment process to the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) is opaque. Members are appointed for a period of there years, officially by the President. But it would appear that it is the Prime Minister that prepares a list for approval. In theory the Council is to be an expert advisory body that transcends narrow political attachments. But there is no clarity on the process or thinking behind the selection of members. The lack of transparency leaves the impression that political considerations are foremost in the mind of the Prime Minister, an impression which undermines the authority of the Council.

On the current head of the CII, I wrote a post on him recently (https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...cil-of-islamic-ideology.301720/#post-12367170)

 

[JaDed]

Two of my friends, both highly educated and with skills that could land them a job anywhere, are currently unemployed. All because of an effort to maintain the status quo and keep one person in jail.

It’s just another example of how politicians twist religion to stay in power.

This entire thing makes absolute no sense, people assume it’s all about cheap labor in IT but its not only that it’s about consistent deliveries on projects, absolute idiots.

 

[Red-Indian]

This entire thing makes absolute no sense, people assume it’s all about cheap labor in IT but its not only that it’s about consistent deliveries on projects, absolute idiots.

Yeah it's truly sad.

We just acquired a company that had a small office in Pakistan. Nothing big...maybe 40-45 guys - one of the original group of founders. Delivery's been so bad over the last few months, we're shutting it down and moving stuff back to the States. It'll probably triple the cost but you just can't work with such unreliability.

Plus it makes legal happy. They don't want involvement with Pakistan and were uncomfortable with the payment mechanism.

No developing country can operate this way.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Don't these uneducated mullahs have anything better to do than categorise things as haram and halaal all their life?

That's the only thing they know unfortunately.

 

[RidiculousMan]

'If VPN use is un-Islamic, then cellphones are too': Maulana Tariq Jamil​

In response to a recent fatwa issued by the Islamic Ideological Council declaring Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) as un-Islamic (haram), renowned Islamic scholar Maulana Tariq Jamil has expressed his views, questioning the rationale behind the decision.

Speaking to a private channel, Maulana Tariq Jamil stated that if VPNs are considered un-Islamic, then mobile phones should also be deemed "haram," as they can be used to access a wide range of content, including what is typically restricted by VPNs.

Maulana Tariq Jamil further remarked that he was unaware of the specific religious council responsible for issuing the fatwa, but he believed that deeming VPNs as "haram" was a narrow-minded stance.

He stressed that there were far more problematic elements within mobile phones that could be more detrimental than VPN usage.

This debate comes after the Islamic Ideological Council's fatwa, which declared VPNs illegal, citing concerns over their potential to bypass internet censorship and access prohibited material.

Additionally, Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) had recently blocked a significant number of unregistered VPNs across the country.

Earlier on Friday, the Ministry of Interior directed the Pakistan Telecom Authority (PTA) to block all illegal Virtual Private Networks (VPNs), saying the proxies were not only being used by the terrorists but also by internet users for "discreetly" accessing pornographic and blasphemous contents.

The interior ministry's letter to the PTA has come on the heels of frequent internet disruptions in Pakistan amid wide use of VPNs to access X, formerly Twitter - from the prime minister down to the common man - as the micro-blogging site isn't accessible for several months now. The ban on X was followed by the government's reported move to slowdown internet.

Nevertheless, the issue of banning X to sluggish speed of the internet has been questioned by many, including PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari – ruling PML-N government's key ally – and vice president of a leading US technology think-tank, Daniel Castro, as well as from tech industry to general public.

Maulana Tariq Jamil: If VPN is haram, Mobile phones should be too | The Express Tribune

Maulana Tariq Jamil criticizes fatwa on VPN, Calls it Narrow-Minded

tribune.com.pk

I suspect MTJ understands what VPN actually is and how it works. But I appreciate his point of view that declaring it haram is narrow mindedness.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Do these guys even know the full form of VPN?

Virtual PTI Network

 

[Kroll]

Next, it'll be the humble proxy server.

 

[shaz619]

Sounds to me like Rizwan wants to know what Babar Azam has been searching for on the internet

 

[Cricket Warrior]

VPNs vital for IT industry despite govt restrictions: PTA chairman

Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) Chairman Major General (retd) Hafeezur Rehman underscored the critical role of virtual private networks (VPNs) in enabling industry operations, asserting that "the industry cannot function without it."

He made these remarks while briefing the Senate Standing Committee on Information Technology and Telecommunications. Earlier, the PTA extended the deadline for VPN registration to November 30, amid concerns over the misuse of unregistered VPNs to bypass internet restrictions and access prohibited content.

During the briefing, the PTA chairman urged IT professionals and businesses to ensure timely registration of their VPNs to avoid inconvenience. Highlighting the necessity of VPNs, he stated, “Freelancers and companies require VPNs,” adding that even the “common man” relies on such services.

The chairman noted that the policy for VPN registration was first introduced in 2016, with a renewed awareness campaign launched recently to ensure compliance. He assured lawmakers that registered VPNs would not disrupt internet access.

“Internet will never be shut down if VPN is registered,” he remarked.

However, he cautioned that unregulated internet shutdowns adversely impact the industry, stating, “Whenever the internet has to be shut down, the industry suffers.”

Senator Afnanullah on the occasion asked the authority to inform the house after consulting the Attorney General for Pakistan. He said that if the move affected freelancers it would be fatal for the IT sector.

VPNs vital for IT industry despite govt restrictions: PTA chairman

PTA chairman urged IT professionals and businesses to ensure timely registration of their VPNs

dunyanews.tv

 

[Cricket Warrior]

CII chief issues clarification on fatwa declaring VPN 'un-Islamic'

Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) Chairman Dr Raghib Hussain Naeemi on Monday gave a clarification on the body's fatwa (Islamic decree) regarding VPN, an encrypted internet network, saying its nature of being Islamic or un-Islamic mainly depended on its usage.

"No matter if VPN is registered or unregistered, it will be un-Islamic if it is used for indecent content and false propaganda," said Naeemi speaking on Geo News morning show, "Geo Pakistan".

Stressing the need to block access to immoral or blasphemous content on the internet, the CII on November 15 declared the use of VPN as un-Islamic.

In a statement, CII Chairman Naeemi had said the government had the right to curb evil and prevent access to it. He had stated that taking measures to prevent or restrict the access to immoral and offensive content was in accordance with the Sharia.

Explaining the backdrop against which the fatwa was issued, he said on Geo News' programme that since most of the VPN usage was to access indecent websites, therefore, the CII declared it un-Islamic.

The CII chief said, according to the reports shared with him, there were 15 million hits on indecent sites daily.

"If you register the VPN and do positive criticism, then there is no harm," he said, emphasising on registration of VPN.

On the other hand, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader Rana Sanaullah said he was not aware of the government’s opinion on blocking VPN.

CII chief issues clarification on fatwa declaring VPN 'un-Islamic'

There are 15mn hits on indecent websites daily, says CII chief.CII gave unwarranted opinion on VPN, says Rana Sanaullah.SAPM says VPN matter has nothing to do with the sharia.Council of Islamic Ideology Chairman Dr Raghib Hussain...

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[Cricket Warrior]

November 30 deadline set for VPNs registration, PTA chairman tells Senate panel

The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority has set a deadline for VPN registration until November 30, PTA Chairman Major General (retd) Hafeezur Rehman Pasha told a Senate panel on Monday.

“After this date, all unregistered VPNs will be blocked,” he said while appearing in the Senate Standing Committee on Information Technology and Telecommunications.

VPNs, or Virtual Private Networks, are commonly utilised worldwide to bypass restrictions and access blocked content. In Pakistan, users often employ VPNs to visit sites like X and others that are not accessible.

In its earlier statement, the PTA reported that it has blocked over 100,183 URLs that contained blasphemous material, as well as 844,008 indecent websites. The authority also noted that around 20 million attempts to access indecent sites are made daily from within Pakistan, all of which are blocked at the international gateway level.

Last week, the interior ministry instructed the PTA to block “illegal VPNs” throughout Pakistan, alleging their use by terrorists to facilitate violent activities and access indecent and blasphemous content.

November 30 deadline set for VPNs registration, PTA chairman tells Senate panel

Major General (retd) Hafeezur Rehman Pasha warns freelancers of potential losses

english.aaj.tv

 

[BouncerGuy]

Blanket restrictions on VPNs risk alienating segments of society, warns ISP body

A body of internet service providers (ISPs) warned on Tuesday against imposing “blanket restrictions” on Virtual Private Networks (VPNs), saying it risked “alienating segments of society”.

VPNs are widely used around the world to access content that may be inaccessible or blocked for internet users in their home country.

The use of VPNs has surged in Pakistan as people are using them to access X, which has been banned since February, as well as a host of other websites.

The statement by Shahzad Arshad, chairman of the Wireless and Internet Service Providers Association of Pakistan (Wispap), comes amid the federal government’s decision to block unregistered VPNs.

In the statement, seen by Dawn.com, the Wispap chairman said: “It is essential to recognise that blanket restrictions or sweeping narratives around tools like VPNs risk alienating segments of society, particularly those who rely on these tools for entirely legitimate purposes, such as IT exports, financial transactions, and academic research.”

While stating that Wispap strongly supported measures to ensure the responsible use of all technologies, Arshad stressed it “should be done in a manner that does not compromise the fundamental principles of equitable access to knowledge, commerce, and security”.

While the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) in September had said VPNs were not being blocked, it has now stated that non-registered VPNs will stop working after the November 30 deadline for their registration.

The announcement follows the authorities’ claims that the software is widely being used to bypass restrictions on pornographic content as well as to facilitate terrorists in violent activities.

Acknowledging that VPN technology “undeniably holds the potential for misuse”, Arshad highlighted that its “primary applications have been to ensure privacy, enable secure communication, and allow access to essential online resources for professionals, businesses, and individuals alike”.

The statement also apparently referred to the ongoing discourse about the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) declaring the use of VPNs for certain purposes as un-Islamic.

“Any technological tool — be it a VPN or otherwise — is neutral in nature,” the Wispap chairman said.

“It is the intent of its usage that determines whether it aligns with ethical and legal standards.”

He called for a “collaborative effort” between regulators, ISPs and societal representatives to “ensure a future where the internet remains a productive and secure platform for all”.

Arshad further stressed: “Regulatory measures should focus on deterring and penalising harmful activities without hindering legitimate use cases that drive progress and safeguard data integrity.”

“As a community of stakeholders in Pakistan’s internet ecosystem, we advocate for an approach that balances the ethical imperatives of society with the technical realities of our digital era,” he underscored.

Furthermore, he stressed “fostering a regulated yet enabling digital landscape while respecting societal values and legal frameworks”.

After the interior ministry sought a ban on “illegal VPNs”, Amnesty Tech said on X that it would amount to “violating the right to privacy under international law, restricting people’s access to information, and suppressing free expression”.

“The vague grounds of ‘terrorism’ cited by the Interior Ministry speaks to the disproportionate use of the government’s powers to control access to content on the internet,” the organisation said.

Separately, in an open letter, the Public Relations Events Digital Activation Association (Preda) lamented the frequent disruption of the internet, calling it a “threat” to the “wellbeing of our collective industries”.

X alternate Bluesky reported inaccessible

Separately, a social media platform called Bluesky, dubbed as a replacement for X, was reported as inaccessible in Pakistan on Tuesday.

Various users reported that the platform, which reached a total of 19 million users yesterday, was only working while they were connected to a VPN.

Bluesky is adding millions of users as people flee Elon Musk-owned X after Donald Trump was elected as the US President.

The Bluesky surge comes as an upcoming change to the terms of service of X threatens to complicate its legal challenges, as well as concerns about the platform’s content.

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[The Bald Eagle]

CII chief issues clarification on fatwa declaring VPN 'un-Islamic'

Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) Chairman Dr Raghib Hussain Naeemi on Monday gave a clarification on the body's fatwa (Islamic decree) regarding VPN, an encrypted internet network, saying its nature of being Islamic or un-Islamic mainly depended on its usage.

What a gaffe, that was always obvious

 

[Kroll]

Wait a minute, I've just reread OP, and they've used "un-Islamic" term as opposed to Haram. So that's quite an important distinction by not stating Haram explicitly.

Many things could could considered un-Islamic but not deemed Haram. There is subtle difference there.

 

[RexRex]

Not VPN's fault, VPN is not intrinsically un-Islamic.

As a wise man once said 'if your right hand is sinning, chop it off'

Well done, council. Pakistan must respect its islamic heritage. Say no to porn.

 

[Kroll]

As a wise man once said 'if your right hand is sinning, chop it off'

Well done, council. Pakistan must respect its islamic heritage. Say no to porn.

Porn isn't on the VPN though, its on the internet, ban that completely. The little VPN is just an easy target.

 

[ghalib kichlu]

Porn isn't on the VPN though, its on the internet, ban that completely. The little VPN is just an easy target.

Porn,gambling,tiktok,disha patani it's all available with a vpn
It's like sin city in islamabad at the moment
Thanks to the islamic council, the standard of living for people should become better due to the abomination of sin

As sayyed qutb said you need to get rid of all channels of sin for a society to thrive

 

[Kroll]

Porn,gambling,tiktok,disha patani it's all available with a vpn
It's like sin city in islamabad at the moment
Thanks to the islamic council, the standard of living for people should become better due to the abomination of sin

As sayyed qutb said you need to get rid of all channels of sin for a society to thrive

It'll be literally impossible to ban completely, as well as multiple suppliers, its on browsers as well now like Brave. It'll be like opening the genie in a bottle if they attempt it.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Only registered VPNs can be considered correct in Islam: CII​

The chairman of the Council of Islamic Ideology, Dr Raghib Naeemi, emphasized the importance of using social media responsibly, highlighting its potential for both positive and negative impacts.

During a press conference held after a council meeting on Wednesday, Dr Naeemi shared that the council had reviewed and endorsed previous recommendations concerning social media use, with all members agreeing on a declaration aimed at promoting ethical and constructive engagement online.

“Social media has both positive and negative aspects. It should be utilized for national security, promoting Islamic teachings, and other legitimate purposes,” he stated. Dr Naeemi firmly denounced the misuse of social platforms for insulting religion, spreading sectarianism, or encouraging extremism.

He clarified that while Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) or social media platforms are not inherently un-Islamic, they must be used appropriately. “Only the use of a registered VPN can be considered correct in Islam,” he noted.

He further said that under Article 19 of the Constitution, every person has the right to access information. He stressed that while there's no denying modern media, their positive use is necessary. “Banning modern media is not a solution to the problems, but there should be suitable alternatives,” Naeemi stated.

The council also decided to consult with technical experts. Responding to a journalist’s query on whether the prime minister’s use of VPNs is un-Islamic, Dr Naeemi reiterated that the government has assigned a deadline of November 30 to register VPNs.

"After the deadline, everyone should use registered VPNs," the CII head said.

Only registered VPNs can be considered correct in Islam: CII

Chairman of the Council of Islamic Ideology, Dr. Raghib Naeemi, emphasizes the responsible use of social media for promoting Islamic teachings and national security. He advocates using registered VPNs and warns against misuse for extremism or sectarianism.

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[The Bald Eagle]

CII Chairman clarifies VPN stance, blames typographical error

Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) Chairman Dr Raghib Naeemi has clarified that a "typographical error" in an official statement caused misunderstandings about the council’s stance on the use of Virtual Private Networks (VPNs).

Speaking at a press conference alongside Maulana Tahir Ashrafi after a meeting on the ethical use of social media, Dr Naeemi stressed that social media should uphold Islamic values and contribute to national security. “It must not be used for blasphemy, sectarianism, or extremist activities,” he emphasized.

Dr Naeemi explained that VPNs are not inherently un-Islamic but must be used ethically and within legal boundaries. “The use of registered VPNs is permissible under Shariah,” he clarified, adding that modern technologies should be utilized positively in line with Article 19 of the Constitution, which guarantees the right to information.

He noted that the council would consult technical experts to develop detailed guidelines on the matter. Dr Naeemi attributed the confusion surrounding the council’s position to an earlier drafting error.

Earlier, Dr Naeemi appeared on a television program to address claims that the council had issued a fatwa declaring VPNs un-Islamic. He explained that VPN use becomes problematic only if it involves accessing immoral content, spreading blasphemy, or engaging in activities against national security.

“Whether registered or not, if VPNs are misused for indecent purposes, character assassination, or undermining national security, they are un-Islamic,” he said.

However, he affirmed that using VPNs for education, communication, or sharing positive messages is acceptable.

Source: The Nation

 

[RahulBose]

How encompassing is Islam? Why would a religion have any say in how the security layers of data tunnels work?

I mean, does these people understand what the thing is before banning it?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

VPN ban poses threat to IT industry's survival: P@SHA

Pakistan Software Houses Association (P@SHA) — the apex body representing Pakistan’s IT sector — has cautioned that the ongoing internet slowdown and restrictions on virtual private network (VPN) use pose an existential threat to the industry.

In a statement, The News reported that P@SHA Chairman Sajjad Mustafa Syed warned that these measures could lead to irreparable financial losses, service disruptions and reputational damage, particularly in the export of IT and IT-enabled Services (ITeS).

He explained that blocking VPNs would significantly disrupt operations for IT companies, call centres and BPO organisations, leading to the loss of major Fortune 500 clients.

VPN ban poses threat to IT industry's survival: P@SHA

P@SHA warns of reputational damage to the IT industry.VPNs are global standard for ensuring data protection.WISPAP calls for balanced approach to VPN regulation.Pakistan Software Houses Association — the apex body representing...

www.geo.tv

 

[Itachi]

VPN ban poses threat to IT industry's survival: P@SHA

Pakistan Software Houses Association (P@SHA) — the apex body representing Pakistan’s IT sector — has cautioned that the ongoing internet slowdown and restrictions on virtual private network (VPN) use pose an existential threat to the industry.

In a statement, The News reported that P@SHA Chairman Sajjad Mustafa Syed warned that these measures could lead to irreparable financial losses, service disruptions and reputational damage, particularly in the export of IT and IT-enabled Services (ITeS).

He explained that blocking VPNs would significantly disrupt operations for IT companies, call centres and BPO organisations, leading to the loss of major Fortune 500 clients.

VPN ban poses threat to IT industry's survival: P@SHA

P@SHA warns of reputational damage to the IT industry.VPNs are global standard for ensuring data protection.WISPAP calls for balanced approach to VPN regulation.Pakistan Software Houses Association — the apex body representing...

www.geo.tv

These people are for corporates and should be ignored.

I am with ban vpn team. If it's unislamic, then it is unislamic. You don't ask questions in faith. You just follow.

 

[Vikram1989]

So on tomorrow what if a fatwa is passed saying "agile/scrum methodology is un islamic and follow waterfall model " . What about Vnet in cloud.it's also comparable to VPN.is cloud also un Islamic.Religion should stay out of science

 

[Itachi]

So on tomorrow what if a fatwa is passed saying "agile/scrum methodology is un islamic and follow waterfall model " . What about Vnet in cloud.it's also comparable to VPN.is cloud also un Islamic.Religion should stay out of science

Absolutely disagree. Religion is just another face of politics and vice versa. It is an integral component of life. Just because people use internet/cloud; the religion loses it's authority over this? That's absurd!

These scholars have put years of study to announce what is haram and halal. You, I or some x,y,z poster in PP, who have 0 knowledge, shouldn't be allowed to even utter a word in this matter except following the faith.

 

[BouncerGuy]

These mullahs don't know what they are taking about.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

PTA makes VPN registration mandatory for banks, IT firms, freelancers

The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) has made VPN registration mandatory for banks, embassies, IT firms, software houses, and freelancers in a bid to ensure better data security and uninterrupted internet access.

The Pakistan Software House Association has demanded more time for consultations on unregistered VPNs.

A consultation meeting was held by the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) in Islamabad to discuss the registration process for Virtual Private Networks (VPNs), which was attended by representatives from various government institutions, including the Ministry of IT, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the State Bank of Pakistan.

Industry figures, including the CEO of the Pakistan Software Export Board, chairman of the Pakistan Software House Association (Pasha), and CEO of the Pakistan Freelancers Association, also participated in the discussions.

According to a statement, the meeting focused on the registration and facilitation process of VPNs. PTA emphasized the importance of VPN registration for securing data and maintaining seamless access to the internet for businesses and individuals.

During the meeting, stakeholders discussed the need for improving the VPN registration process while ensuring business continuity and maintaining a secure online environment. According to the statement, VPN registration was made mandatory for software houses, IT firms, banks, embassies, and freelancers.

All stakeholders in the meeting stressed the need to further improve the VPN registration process, ensuring business continuity and a secure internet.

However, Pasha voiced concerns over the implementation timeline, requesting additional time for consultation, particularly regarding unregistered VPNs. The association stressed the importance of allowing more time for stakeholders to comply with the new registration requirements.


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[Cricket Warrior]

PTA Begins Second Crackdown on Unregistered VPNs

The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) has started the second trial to shut down unregistered Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) with the new national firewall and begin a complete crackdown starting in December, official sources told ProPakistani.

Sources said this will be a two-day exercise.

PTA has set a November 30 deadline for VPN registration, after which unregistered VPNs will be blocked starting next month. More than 25,000 VPNs have been registered so far.

PTA Begins Second Crackdown on Unregistered VPNs

The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) has started the second trial to shut down unregistered Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) with the new

propakistani.pk

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Only ‘illegal VPNs’ being banned, says former P@SHA chairman

Former Chairperson of the Pakistan Software Houses Association (P@SHA) Muhammad Zohaib Khan has clarified that the claim of VPNs being completely banned in Pakistan is incorrect. He stated that only illegal VPNs are being targeted, a practice not unique to Pakistan but implemented worldwide.

In his comments to The News, Zohaib Khan explained that many companies, especially large organisations, often use VPNs for major international projects. The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) provides approvals for such cases, allowing them to be whitelisted. Freelancers can also apply for whitelisting from the PTA.

He added that over the past two to three years, fibre-optic internet has faced minimal disruptions. Even if internet services are restricted for security reasons, users on fixed-line connections remain unaffected.

Per Khan, national security is of paramount importance, and Pakistan must address its cybersecurity challenges as internet usage becomes ubiquitous. He suggested the government implement ‘cyber fencing’ to curb the misuse of VPNs by individuals hiding their identities for illegal activities. Such misuse can include sending fake or blackmail emails, and even terrorists use illegal VPNs to conceal their identities. Therefore, he stressed, banning illegal VPNs is essential.

The former P@SHA chairperson also highlighted the need for a comprehensive awareness campaign on social media rules to protect the IT brand Pakistan has built over the past two to three years. Spreading misinformation about internet shutdowns on social media damages Pakistan’s reputation globally, he added.

Last week, the Wireless & Internet Service Providers Association of Pakistan (WISPAP) also stressed the need for a balanced and collaborative approach to regulating VPNs in Pakistan. “Regulatory measures should focus on deterring harmful activities without impeding legitimate use cases that drive progress and safeguard data integrity,” the WISPAP chairperson said in a statement.

Only ‘illegal VPNs’ being banned, says former P@SHA chairman

KARACHI: Former Chairperson of the Pakistan Software Houses Association Muhammad Zohaib Khan has clarified that the claim of VPNs being completely banned in Pakistan is incorrect. He stated that...

www.thenews.com.pk

 

[BouncerGuy]

Wispap urges interior ministry to extend VPN registration deadline

The Wireless and Internet Service Providers Association of Pakistan (Wispap) called on the interior ministry on Friday to extend the deadline for the registration of Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) to “facilitate compliance”.

VPNs are widely used around the world to access content that may be inaccessible or blocked for internet users in their home country. The use of VPNs has surged in Pakistan as people are using them to access X, which has been banned since February, as well as a host of other websites.

Following a disruption that rendered VPNs dysfunctional across the country, the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) earlier this month had said that VPN usage would be restricted in the future to curb access to pornographic content.

On November 15, the interior ministry asked the PTA to block “illegal VPNs” across Pakistan, citing their use by terrorists to “facilitate violent activities” and to “access pornographic and blasphemous content”.

Consequently, PTA Chairman Retired Major General Hafeezur Rehman told the Senate standing committee on IT last week that all non-registered VPNs would stop working in the country after the Nov 30 deadline for their registration.

In a letter today, a copy of which is available with Dawn.com, Wispap said it believed “extending the current deadline for VPN registration would further facilitate compliance among users who were just beginning to adapt to the new, simplified process”.

While acknowledging government efforts to enhance cybersecurity and regulate VPN usage in Pakistan, Wispap said that an extension would allow more time for public awareness campaigns to educate users about the importance of VPN registration.

Service providers and associations like Wispap and P@sha (Pakistan Software Houses Association) would also be able to collaborate with customers to streamline the registration process, it highlighted.

The extension would enable “building trust with hesitant users who are gradually understanding the security benefits of compliance”, Wispap contended.

It said that the step “would support the government’s objectives while ensuring widespread adherence to the VPN registration framework”, adding that Wispap remained committed to collaborating with the ministry and PTA to address any challenges.

In its letter, the association noted that simplification of the registration process was a “pivotal step” in ensuring that citizens could “comply without hesitation”.

“These changes have already started to alleviate the reluctance previously observed among users,” Wispap claimed.

It applauded the government’s recognition of the “significant security risks currently posed by rogue VPN servers”.

Wispap observed: “Hackers and malicious actors have increasingly exploited unregistered VPN connections to redirect unsuspecting users to rogue servers, exposing their sensitive data to theft.

“By encouraging registration, the government is protecting citizens from such vulnerabilities and ensuring the integrity of Pakistan’s digital landscape,” it added.

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[Cricket Warrior]

Pakistan’s VPN Usage Surged Over 2380% Amid Internet Blockage

Pakistan has been experiencing another surge in VPN use as internet restrictions tightened over the past few days.

Demand has climbed sharply since November 24th, with Top10VPN projecting a 330% increase over normal levels. Proton VPN saw sign-ups jump by 730% on Monday, then an astounding 2860% on Tuesday.

This spike follows last weekend’s WhatsApp block, implemented ahead of anticipated anti-government protests. Just two days prior, authorities restricted access to Bluesky, a rival app to Elon Musk’s X. Popular platforms like Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and others remain inaccessible in many areas, even with VPNs.

Pakistan’s access to VPNs may be significantly limited by the end of November as a new government policy looms. The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) has set a November 30th deadline for businesses and freelancers to register their VPN services.

Pakistan's VPN Usage Surged Over 2380% Amid Internet Blockage

Pakistan has been experiencing another surge in VPN use as internet restrictions tightened over the past few days. Demand has climbed sharply since

propakistani.pk

 

[Bewal Express]

VPNs haraam but killing innocent people in cold blood is halal according to these clowns

 

[FearlessRoar]

Registration deadline for VPNs will be extended: PTA chairman

Pakistan Telecommunications Authority (PTA) Chairman Major General (retired) Hafeezul Rehman on Saturday said that the government had approved extending the deadline to register virtual private networks (VPNs), though no new deadline was given.

VPNs are widely used around the world to access content that may be inaccessible or blocked for internet users in their home country. The use of VPNs has surged in Pakistan as people are using them to access X, which has been banned since February, as well as a host of other websites.

Following a disruption that rendered VPNs dysfunctional across the country, the PTA earlier this month said that VPN usage would be restricted in the future to curb access to pornographic content.

On November 15, the interior ministry asked the PTA to block “illegal VPNs” across Pakistan, citing their use by terrorists to “facilitate violent activities” and to “access pornographic and blasphemous content”.

Consequently, the PTA chairman told the Senate standing committee on IT last week that all non-registered VPNs would stop working in the country after the November 30 deadline for their registration.

Speaking to Dawn.com today, the PTA chief said that the government had approved the extension of the deadline beyond November 30. “VPNs will not be blocked today,” he said.

However, he did not give a new deadline, stating, “How long VPN registration is extended is a matter for the interior ministry.”

The Wireless and Internet Service Providers Association of Pakistan (Wispap) had called on the interior ministry on Friday to extend the deadline for the registration of VPNs to “facilitate compliance”.

While acknowledging government efforts to enhance cybersecurity and regulate VPN usage in Pakistan, Wispap said that an extension would allow more time for public awareness campaigns to educate users about the importance of VPN registration.

Registration deadline for VPNs will be extended: PTA chairman

"VPNs will not be blocked today," says telecommunications chief.

www.dawn.com

 

[BouncerGuy]

PTA delays VPN ban; continues registration despite expiry of deadline

The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) on Sunday decided not to proceed with the ban on Virtual Private Networks (VPNs), following a legal review that concluded there is no legal basis to block the service.

This decision ensures that VPNs will continue to operate even after the previously announced November 30 deadline.

The PTA had earlier set a deadline of November 30 for VPN registration, warning that unregistered VPNs would be blocked. However, despite the deadline passing, the regulator has refrained from taking any immediate action regarding unregistered VPNs.

PTA sources confirmed that registration will still be allowed, with further decisions pending based on instructions from the Ministry of Interior.

The move comes after the Interior Ministry had initially requested the PTA to block unregistered VPNs, citing concerns that such networks were being used for illegal activities, including terrorism and access to obscene content.

However, sources in the Interior Ministry have now indicated that this request will be withdrawn. The decision follows consultations with the Ministry of Law, which clarified that the government lacked the legal authority to ban VPNs under existing laws.

The key legal point revolves around Section 34 of the Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act (PECA) 2016, which allows the government to block unlawful online content but does not grant the authority to block tools like VPNs.

According to the Ministry of Law, the focus of PECA is on controlling content, not access tools, and as such, the government could face challenges in defending a VPN ban in court.

A senior official from the Ministry of Information Technology and Telecommunication pointed out that VPNs are primarily used to connect to applications, rather than being a medium of unlawful content. This technical distinction, the official noted, could prove crucial if the matter were to be contested in court, where the judiciary is likely to favour the continued use of VPNs.

Despite the expiration of the registration deadline, the PTA continues to process VPN registrations. As of now, around 27,000 VPNs have been registered, with an additional 7,000 registrations expected in the coming days.

Internet speed severely affected major cities

Meanwhile, internet users in various areas of Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar are experiencing significant disruptions, with reports of severely slow internet speeds and unreliable Wi-Fi services affecting daily activities and business operations.

In Karachi, complaints have been pouring in from residents of North Nazimabad, Gulshan, and Karsaz, where users have reported substantial slowdowns in internet connectivity.

Many have stated that even Wi-Fi services are intermittently disrupted, making browsing and streaming difficult. Several businesses, particularly those relying on online services, have voiced concerns over the ongoing issues, fearing potential losses due to connectivity problems.

Similarly, in Peshawar, users have reported slow internet speeds affecting essential online tasks. Problems with uploading and downloading content, including voice notes, photos, and videos, have been particularly frustrating.

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[Farhan The Man]

Absolutely disagree. Religion is just another face of politics and vice versa. It is an integral component of life. Just because people use internet/cloud; the religion loses it's authority over this? That's absurd!

These scholars have put years of study to announce what is haram and halal. You, I or some x,y,z poster in PP, who have 0 knowledge, shouldn't be allowed to even utter a word in this matter except following the faith.

The last paragraph sums up pakistani mentality. Agnostic of current residence.

Like sheep to the slaughterhouse. All in tow.

 

[Itachi]

The last paragraph sums up pakistani mentality. Agnostic of current residence.

Like sheep to the slaughterhouse. All in tow.

Why so?

You either believe in the words of the scholars or you don't.

But it seems people are picking what is convenient for them and then discarding if it creates obstacles.

That's not faith. When you have faith, you don't ask questions, you don't cherry pick what's halal or haram.... You do what the book says and what the scholars says.