Current Australia vs Australia 2000’s combined line-up

[tyron_woodley]

You're naming guys like Watson & rogers who couldn't even get into the aussie squad(forget about playing XI) of pre 2006 which you're calling scummy(which by the way is statistically the greatest side of all time. they're the bradman of team teams.)

Ryan Harris, johnson and all the mid to late 2000 guys you're naming couldn't get into pre 2007 squads. Either Aussie selectors were scumbags in not selecting them or they weren't just good enough to play in that legendary side.

Lol at Pakistani reference. Dont know what are you even saying. Pakistan of 2000 arguably had the greatest middle order of Pakistani history with Younis, Yousuf and Inzamam along with Shoaib and Kaneria yet they weren't great at home. They lost to India in 04, drew against sri lanka and south africa. by 2005-2006 though they had a great team with Younis, Inzamam, yousuf(in peak), Afridi, razzak and akmal in lower middle. Asif emerged and with Shoaib and kaneria the bowling lineup was Shoaib, Asif, Razzak, Afridi and kaneria. Most pakistani fans would take this bowling lineup over the current one easily.

Asif emerged later. Asif emerged in the very last series india played and lost in Pakistan

Even before that india barely scraped by against pakistans weaker bowling attack in Pakistan in 04.

I dont give a flying sh*t about their batting. I specifically talked about bowling lineups. It was a weak one that had yasir Arafat supporting shoaib.

Uhm Ryan Harris is quality. He was once tipped to be their best ever had he kept playing.

I am talking about Australian conditions. You fail to understand my point. In Australian conditions the current team can beat the scummy version without a doubt because the current players are solid batsmen in their conditions.

Scummy version also thrived against weaker toothless attacks from all over the world when they toured Australia as explained above if you see some of the joke lineups.

They never faced well rounded attacks of post 2016 era.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

He had varied peaks and troughs but doesn't change the fact that both Australia and India encountered weak bowling lineups in 2000 era.

I get the tendus elbow injury and stuff. Fair enough but he dint have that injury when india got their butts kicked by weaker new Zealand between 1999 to 2003. Infacr we even drew at home vs them at the time.

That tells me all I need to know about the goat Aussies lol and whom they feasted on. I have seen them all play and honestly current attack is way more well rounded for Australian conditions.

Doesn't matter if the batting is weaker overall, it isn't weak in Australian conditions by any means.

You only need a couple of players to score big and when you have guys like labushagne and Smith its always going to be hard for the opposition.

Just like how a strong India barely beat a weaker Pakistan side in 2000 era. Same applies to current Aussies vs pre 2006 scummy Australia. They will easily challenge them especially given how strong their bowling is currently. It will be a close affair.

People need to take off their nostalgic glasses and think about It objectively.

You are taking about names again.

Marcus Harris, khawaja etc are all great players in Australian conditions. Doesnt matter if they suck outside Australia but in Australia they are capable of facing short balls and can contribute with the bat whilst Smith and co take care of the rest.

Lol why are guys like Marcus harris and Khawaja are greats in Aussie conditions and guys like Martyn, Clarke, Hussey, katich aren't?? Latter guys have stats to back them up too. Or does a player becomes superior just because he debuted after 2015?? that seems to be your only criteria. Why not proclaim paine and lyon to be better than Gilchrist & Warne too as the latter two were the backbone of the scummy aussies?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Loooool

Faz el ekbar
Yasir hammed
Mohammed sami
Shoaib

Lmao that was the bowling lineup that india faced in 2003 04 and 05

Only in 06 asif emerged and he had the novelty factor of course. Decided to fix matches as soon as his trundling butt was getting figured out.

And then 07 08 india faced a joke of a bowling that had sami, hammed, farhat and tanvir lmao.

That shows you how even a weaker side can trouble a stronger team in conditions familiar to them

Its not that hard to understand. Current Aussies would and can beat pre 2006 **** version in home conditions. That's the whole point. Especially given how freakishly strong their bowling lineup is. Infact way more compelte now than pre 2006.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Asif emerged later. Asif emerged in the very last series india played and lost in Pakistan

Even before that india barely scraped by against pakistans weaker bowling attack in Pakistan in 04.

I dont give a flying sh*t about their batting. I specifically talked about bowling lineups. It was a weak one that had yasir Arafat supporting shoaib.

Uhm Ryan Harris is quality. He was once tipped to be their best ever had he kept playing.

I am talking about Australian conditions. You fail to understand my point. In Australian conditions the current team can beat the scummy version without a doubt because the current players are solid batsmen in their conditions.

Scummy version also thrived against weaker toothless attacks from all over the world when they toured Australia as explained above if you see some of the joke lineups.

They never faced well rounded attacks of post 2016 era.

Brother You're getting emotional it seems .
Im talking about Aussie conditions as well where Harris wasnt good enough to play pre 2007. He couldn't get into the side.

India didnt barely scraped against Pakistan in 04. India defeated Pakistan by an innings margin twice in three matches. How that is barely scraping

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol why are guys like Marcus harris and Khawaja are greats in Aussie conditions and guys like Martyn, Clarke, Hussey, katich aren't?? Latter guys have stats to back them up too. Or does a player becomes superior just because he debuted after 2015?? that seems to be your only criteria. Why not proclaim paine and lyon to be better than Gilchrist & Warne too as the latter two were the backbone of the scummy aussies?

Guys like Harris khawaja etc are solid players in Australian conditions. No debate about that. Smith warner and labusxhagne would do the real damage. That's all I am saying.

It will never be a blow out. Current team is capable of beating the scummy boys of pre 2006. Plus sledging wont be tolerated in the modern era. That takes out half their armour. Lots of chinks will be tested. The **** feasted on bowling lineups that can keep a good line nor bowl bouncers with accuracy. Current lot would trouble them alot. It would be a very competitive affair. That's the point. In familiar conditions any team can beat even a so called goat side.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Brother You're getting emotional it seems .
Im talking about Aussie conditions as well where Harris wasnt good enough to play pre 2007. He couldn't get into the side.

India didnt barely scraped against Pakistan in 04. India defeated Pakistan by an innings margin twice in three matches. How that is barely scraping

Look at the post above. The joke bowling lineup they faced in 03.

Also in 08 the score was ? 1 0? So now that's a domination?

On flat roads.

Thats my point. Current lot can beat the pre 2006 team. You dont have to be a goat side in home conditions. Current lot already have a goat level bowling lineup and 3 potential ATG in Australian conditions. They would give the pre 2006 team fits. Strong enough to beat them here.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Loooool

Faz el ekbar
Yasir hammed
Mohammed sami
Shoaib

Lmao that was the bowling lineup that india faced in 2003 04 and 05

Only in 06 asif emerged and he had the novelty factor of course. Decided to fix matches as soon as his trundling butt was getting figured out.

And then 07 08 india faced a joke of a bowling that had sami, hammed, farhat and tanvir lmao.

That shows you how even a weaker side can trouble a stronger team in conditions familiar to them

Its not that hard to understand. Current Aussies would and can beat pre 2006 **** version in home conditions. That's the whole point. Especially given how freakishly strong their bowling lineup is. Infact way more compelte now than pre 2006.

Fazl e Akbar probably played a single test.
Yasir Hameed was an opener.

in 04 Pakistani bowling squad was
Shoaib
Sami
Gul
Sabbir
Saqlain
Kaneria
Akbar

In 05
Sami
Rana
Kaneria
Afridi
khan
Razzak

Hameed, Farhat were batsmen brother. You are someting else

 

[Ab Fan]

He had varied peaks and troughs but doesn't change the fact that both Australia and India encountered weak bowling lineups in 2000 era.

I get the tendus elbow injury and stuff. Fair enough but he dint have that injury when india got their butts kicked by weaker new Zealand between 1999 to 2003. Infacr we even drew at home vs them at the time.

That tells me all I need to know about the goat Aussies lol and whom they feasted on. I have seen them all play and honestly current attack is way more well rounded for Australian conditions.

Doesn't matter if the batting is weaker overall, it isn't weak in Australian conditions by any means.

You only need a couple of players to score big and when you have guys like labushagne and Smith its always going to be hard for the opposition.

Just like how a strong India barely beat a weaker Pakistan side in 2000 era. Same applies to current Aussies vs pre 2006 scummy Australia. They will easily challenge them especially given how strong their bowling is currently. It will be a close affair.

People need to take off their nostalgic glasses and think about It objectively.

You are taking about names again.

Marcus Harris, khawaja etc are all great players in Australian conditions. Doesnt matter if they suck outside Australia but in Australia they are capable of facing short balls and can contribute with the bat whilst Smith and co take care of the rest.

Indian team of early 2000s was in re-building phase. Dravid and Laxman had just established themselves after the Eden Gardens legendary performance. But Indian team didn't knew how to win overseas before this as apparent with their record in 1990s. Ganguly taught the Indian team how to win games overseas and the results were there to be seen:-

1.2003 England away series 1-1

2. 2003 Australia away series(McGrath/Warne missing) 1-1 but that basically tells how good Australian team was with McGrath and Warne in the XI.

3. 2004 Pakistan away series 2-1

4. 2005 Windies away series( Lara was in that team and India won their first ever WI series win)

The only failures they had was vs NZ away and at home they drew few series because of lack of pacers and Tendulkar just had a few years bad phase under Greg Chappell captaincy and tennis elbow injury concerns.

But sooner, India came back to their own and dominated everywhere between 2007-2010 and with test series wins in England, New Zealand, West Indies and drawn series in South Africa and what should have been a drawn series in Australia, this was the best results that came out under Indian captain away from home.

Now as far as Indian team of 2018-2020 is concerned, they lost to a much weaker South Africa team with only one good batsman in 2018 series, lost to England 4-1 with no Archer and their keeper JB and that party spoiler SC, spoiling the party.

Anyone with a basic sense of humour can clearly see that which Indian team was better away from home. It is crystal clear that Indian team of 2007-10 was much superior to current Indian team away from home even though this team has better quality of pacers.

At home, that Indian team was unlucky to face Pakistan team of Younis, Inzamam, Yousuf who did well to draw a series but still not good enough to win and SL which had some legends including Murali still got ripped apart when they toured India in 2009.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Fazl e Akbar probably played a single test.
Yasir Hameed was an opener.

in 04 Pakistani bowling squad was
Shoaib
Sami
Gul
Sabbir
Saqlain
Kaneria
Akbar

In 05
Sami
Rana
Kaneria
Afridi
khan
Razzak

Hameed, Farhat were batsmen brother. You are someting else

That is a weak lineup lmao. Look at it. Jesus. India barely scraped a win. 1 0 or 2 -1.

Shocking lineup. Its a joke co pared to current aussie lineup or India's.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Indian team of early 2000s was in re-building phase. Dravid and Laxman had just established themselves after the Eden Gardens legendary performance. But Indian team didn't knew how to win overseas before this as apparent with their record in 1990s. Ganguly taught the Indian team how to win games overseas and the results were there to be seen:-

1.2003 England away series 1-1

2. 2003 Australia away series(McGrath/Warne missing) 1-1 but that basically tells how good Australian team was with McGrath and Warne in the XI.

3. 2004 Pakistan away series 2-1

4. 2005 Windies away series( Lara was in that team and India won their first ever WI series win)

The only failures they had was vs NZ away and at home they drew few series because of lack of pacers and Tendulkar just had a few years bad phase under Greg Chappell captaincy and tennis elbow injury concerns.

But sooner, India came back to their own and dominated everywhere between 2007-2010 and with test series wins in England, New Zealand, West Indies and drawn series in South Africa and what should have been a drawn series in Australia, this was the best results that came out under Indian captain away from home.

Now as far as Indian team of 2018-2020 is concerned, they lost to a much weaker South Africa team with only one good batsman in 2018 series, lost to England 4-1 with no Archer and their keeper JB and that party spoiler SC, spoiling the party.

Anyone with a basic sense of humour can clearly see that which Indian team was better away from home. It is crystal clear that Indian team of 2007-10 was much superior to current Indian team away from home even though this team has better quality of pacers.

At home, that Indian team was unlucky to face Pakistan team of Younis, Inzamam, Yousuf who did well to draw a series but still not good enough to win and SL which had some legends including Murali still got ripped apart when they toured India in 2009.

I am sorry none of the teams india beat in that phase had the quality of current post 2015 level pace batteries of countries like Australia, India, south africa or new Zealand or even England.

That joke of a bowling lineup that consisted of styris and tuffey India beat in 08 would get their butts kicked by even current Pakistan.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol these guys are proud of sami, rana, shabbir and co and proclaiming to me like they are some ATG quality haha. Cmon man. It just looks worse and worse.

I cannot believe the amount of trash bowlers pre 2006 era teams feasted on in road like conditions.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Look at the post above. The joke bowling lineup they faced in 03.

Also in 08 the score was ? 1 0? So now that's a domination?

On flat roads.

Thats my point. Current lot can beat the pre 2006 team. You dont have to be a goat side in home conditions. Current lot already have a goat level bowling lineup and 3 potential ATG in Australian conditions. They would give the pre 2006 team fits. Strong enough to beat them here.

2008 was a domination. Pakistan barely managed to draw two games and were outplayed in the entire series. Anyone watching that series would agree.

No one is denying the series would be close. But Australia from 99-2007 didnt lost a single test with Mcgrath & Warne(lost two without them in these 8 years). They had multiple batsmen averaging 60+ in home conditions and not just two. The keeper was averaging 60+ in australia. But you're ignoring stats of them and using stats of current players to your convenience. If you think they batted in phattas than you gotta give extra credit to aussie bowlers. Mcgrath averaged 21 in phattas(according to you those were roads) so by your logic he should be averaging less then 15 in current bowling conditions.

 

[tyron_woodley]

All teams especially top teams are far far stronger in home conditions now. Its not easy to win away given the quality of pacers in top teams barring Pakistan and even they are really good in home conditions.

Lanka is well Lanka. They never quite had a great pace attack.

 

[tyron_woodley]

2008 was a domination. Pakistan barely managed to draw two games and were outplayed in the entire series. Anyone watching that series would agree.

No one is denying the series would be close. But Australia from 99-2007 didnt lost a single test with Mcgrath & Warne(lost two without them in these 8 years). They had multiple batsmen averaging 60+ in home conditions and not just two. The keeper was averaging 60+ in australia. But you're ignoring stats of them and using stats of current players to your convenience. If you think they batted in phattas than you gotta give extra credit to aussie bowlers. Mcgrath averaged 21 in phattas(according to you those were roads) so by your logic he should be averaging less then 15 in current bowling conditions.

On roads man. Current batsmen can score bucket loads of runs too. They have heaps of flat track bullies in current Australia.

Cummins averages 19 in Australia too.

Also Australia doesn't always put out phattas post 2012. They keep changing randomly.

2018 was flatter now it has a lot of zip. It all depends.

All I am saying is it will be a very even battle between current lot and pre 2006 team. The bowling class of current lot is good enough to wreck the pre 2006 team.

 

[Ab Fan]

I am sorry <B>none of the teams india beat in that phase had the quality of current post 2015 level pace batteries of countries like Australia, India, south africa or new Zealand or even England</B>.

That joke of a bowling lineup that consisted of styris and tuffey India beat in 08 would get their butts kicked by even current Pakistan.

That's your inference which is lacking common sense and anyways you are claiming as if current India have won anything in Eng, South Africa and New Zealand, no they haven't.

Their record in those three countries is 2-1,4-1 and 2-0 which is the actual definition of getting your butt kicked while that Indian team won in England and New Zealand while drew in South Africa vs ATG SA.

 

[szrana007]

Indian team of early 2000s was in re-building phase. Dravid and Laxman had just established themselves after the Eden Gardens legendary performance. But Indian team didn't knew how to win overseas before this as apparent with their record in 1990s. Ganguly taught the Indian team how to win games overseas and the results were there to be seen:-

1.2003 England away series 1-1

2. 2003 Australia away series(McGrath/Warne missing) 1-1 but that basically tells how good Australian team was with McGrath and Warne in the XI.

3. 2004 Pakistan away series 2-1

4. 2005 Windies away series( Lara was in that team and India won their first ever WI series win)

The only failures they had was vs NZ away and at home they drew few series because of lack of pacers and Tendulkar just had a few years bad phase under Greg Chappell captaincy and tennis elbow injury concerns.

But sooner, India came back to their own and dominated everywhere between 2007-2010 and with test series wins in England, New Zealand, West Indies and drawn series in South Africa and what should have been a drawn series in Australia, this was the best results that came out under Indian captain away from home.

Now as far as Indian team of 2018-2020 is concerned, they lost to a much weaker South Africa team with only one good batsman in 2018 series, lost to England 4-1 with no Archer and their keeper JB and that party spoiler SC, spoiling the party.

Anyone with a basic sense of humour can clearly see that which Indian team was better away from home. It is crystal clear that Indian team of 2007-10 was much superior to current Indian team away from home even though this team has better quality of pacers.

At home, that Indian team was unlucky to face Pakistan team of Younis, Inzamam, Yousuf who did well to draw a series but still not good enough to win and SL which had some legends including Murali still got ripped apart when they toured India in 2009.

You sure about that? coz I seem to recall India winning in WI in 1971

 

[Ab Fan]

You sure about that? coz I seem to recall India winning in WI in 1971

I mean a win after 35 years which makes it a historical win .

 

[szrana007]

I mean a win after 35 years which makes it a historical win .

That way India's series win NZL in 2009 was historical too because it came after 42 years

 

[tyron_woodley]

That's your inference which is lacking common sense and anyways you are claiming as if current India have won anything in Eng, South Africa and New Zealand, no they haven't.

Their record in those three countries is 2-1,4-1 and 2-0 which is the actual definition of getting your butt kicked while that Indian team won in England and New Zealand while drew in South Africa vs ATG SA.

Yea won against weaker bowling lineups. Not surprised by that.

They dint face the quality of post 2015 level pace batteries.

 

[Ab Fan]

That way India's series win NZL in 2009 was historical too because it came after 42 years

Haan, it is

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

All teams especially top teams are far far stronger in home conditions now. Its not easy to win away given the quality of pacers in top teams barring Pakistan and even they are really good in home conditions.

Lanka is well Lanka. They never quite had a great pace attack.

Well you gotta give some stats & logic to back your claim. you're having silly argument. So let me do some silly arguments too.
I can claim too that modern day greats only became great because they didnt faced the real greats and when they faced, they failed.

Jimmy Anderson averged 80+ against 2006 Australia so he's ****.
Ishant Sharma couldn't do jackass till the greats played.Was consistently outperformed by Zahir so he's ****.
Rohit Sharma couldn't do jackass in 2000 era. so he's ****.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yea won against weaker bowling lineups. Not surprised by that.

They dint face the quality of post 2015 level pace batteries.

This team lost to an even worse SA side which had only one half decent batsman, you know who?

 

[szrana007]

That is a weak lineup lmao. Look at it. Jesus. India barely scraped a win. 1 0 or 2 -1.

Shocking lineup. Its a joke co pared to current aussie lineup or India's.

Yeah, Pakistan's bowling lineup in 2005 series in India was very weak.

 

[tyron_woodley]

This team lost to an even worse SA side which had only one half decent batsman, you know who?

Look at the bowling lineup for those Condtions. Philander, steyn, Morkel rabada Tahir.

Way better than the tsotsobe and pre prime Morkel.

Ab was at his absolute best. It was seaming conditions too.

2011 the games were on roads.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Well you gotta give some stats & logic to back your claim. you're having silly argument. So let me do some silly arguments too.
I can claim too that modern day greats only became great because they didnt faced the real greats and when they faced, they failed.

Jimmy Anderson averged 80+ against 2006 Australia so he's ****.
Ishant Sharma couldn't do jackass till the greats played.Was consistently outperformed by Zahir so he's ****.
Rohit Sharma couldn't do jackass in 2000 era. so he's ****.

Newbie
Pre prime
Prime
Peak
Post prime

Filter according to these options and you will see for yourself.

Jimmy post 2012 isn't the same as Jimmy in 2006. Should be obvious isn't it?

 

[tyron_woodley]

That way India's series win NZL in 2009 was historical too because it came after 42 years

Looool Styris tuffey as lead bowlers. Wah wah. What a victory.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Newbie
Pre prime
Prime
Peak
Post prime

Filter according to these options and you will see for yourself.

Jimmy post 2012 isn't the same as Jimmy in 2006. Should be obvious isn't it?

Well these are your definitions. also If post 2015 players so so great, Shouldnt their pre prime performances be enough to beat those scummy guys

 

[szrana007]

Looool Styris tuffey as lead bowlers. Wah wah. What a victory.

I don't want to degrade India's win but 2002 NZL team under Fleming was much stronger which beat India 2-0

 

[tyron_woodley]

Well these are your definitions. also If post 2015 players so so great, Shouldnt their pre prime performances be enough to beat those scummy guys

No it won't. That's why there is a peak and prime.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I don't want to degrade India's win but 2002 NZL team under Fleming was much stronger which beat India 2-0

It wasn't. Bowling is far stronger now.far stronger.

Oram Styris and co apart from bond is fodder compared to modern era kiwi bowling.

You are smoking some high quality sh*t if you think that's true lol.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Look at the bowling lineup for those Condtions. Philander, steyn, Morkel rabada Tahir.

Way better than the tsotsobe and pre prime Morkel.

Ab was at his absolute best. It was seaming conditions too.

2011 the games were on roads.

Lol in 2018 Steyn, morkel and philandar crossed their expiry dates. Rabada was a newbie. You yourself dont stick to your definitions of newbie pre prime and post prime

By 2010, Both Steyn & Morkel were in their primes as they entered their 7th and 5th year in international cricket respectively. As I said your claims are not backed up by stats.

 

[Ab Fan]

Look at the bowling lineup for those Condtions. Philander, steyn, Morkel rabada Tahir.

Way better than the tsotsobe and pre prime Morkel.

Ab was at his absolute best. It was seaming conditions too.

2011 the games were on roads.

Steyn was available only for two days. Morkel retired after this season.

Imagine the SA batting lineup on roads:-

Kallis
Smith
AB
Amla
Ashwell Prince
Alviro Petersen
Boucher

And against the bowling attack of Zaheer, Sreeshant, Ishant and Harbhajan. We would have won the series if not for Kallis hitting a 200* and saving the test match.

In contrast, 2018 series had only one half decent batsman who made a complete difference based on two innings.

 

[szrana007]

It wasn't. Bowling is far stronger now.far stronger.

Oram Styris and co apart from bond is fodder compared to modern era kiwi bowling.

You are smoking some high quality sh*t if you think that's true lol.

NZL under Fleming always punched above their weight.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Steyn was available only for two days. Morkel retired after this season.

Imagine the SA batting lineup on roads:-

Kallis
Smith
AB
Amla
Ashwell Prince
Alviro Petersen
Boucher

And against the bowling attack of Zaheer, Sreeshant, Ishant and Harbhajan. We would have won the series if not for Kallis hitting a 200* and saving the test match.

In contrast, 2018 series had only one half decent batsman who made a complete difference based on two innings.

That's the whole point. They won cause of our weak bowling on favourable conditions.

India lost tosses in 2018 in seaming conditions.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Steyn was available only for two days. Morkel retired after this season.

Imagine the SA batting lineup on roads:-

Kallis
Smith
AB
Amla
Ashwell Prince
Alviro Petersen
Boucher

And against the bowling attack of Zaheer, Sreeshant, Ishant and Harbhajan. We would have won the series if not for Kallis hitting a 200* and saving the test match.

In contrast, 2018 series had only one half decent batsman who made a complete difference based on two innings.

2018 Saffers were nothing infront of that 2010 side.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol in 2018 Steyn, morkel and philandar crossed their expiry dates. Rabada was a newbie. You yourself dont stick to your definitions of newbie pre prime and post prime

By 2010, Both Steyn & Morkel were in their primes as they entered their 7th and 5th year in international cricket respectively. As I said your claims are not backed up by stats.

You don't cross expiry at 33 ROFL lmao.

Rabada is not a newbie lol.he was at his best in 2018.

 

[tyron_woodley]

2018 Saffers were nothing infront of that 2010 side.

So? 2018 bowling was better in saffer conditions.

That bowling would be enough to trouble them in 2010. More than capable of challenging them in s.african conditions.

 

[Ab Fan]

That's the whole point. They won cause of our weak bowling.

They won?? That series was drawn, bhai you are missing the plot.

We draw a test series in SA 2010 against an ATG SA team which had ATG batting lineup and an ATG bowler at its peak alongside another great bowler. What does this mean? It means our batting lineup did brilliantly and bowlers too did well against such a strong batting lineup.

In contrast, in 2018, we lost against an ATG bowling lineup but the batting was too weak. Its clear that the first team did much better than the latter.

 

[Ab Fan]

2018 Saffers were nothing infront of that 2010 side.

I agree. 2018 Saffers could have easily lost the series to India but the current ATG Indian bowling lineup just couldn't stop one batsman from taking the game away from them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

They won?? That series was drawn, bhai you are missing the plot.

We draw a test series in SA 2010 against an ATG SA team which had ATG batting lineup and an ATG bowler at its peak alongside another great bowler. What does this mean? It means our batting lineup did brilliantly and bowlers too did well against such a strong batting lineup.

In contrast, in 2018, we lost against an ATG bowling lineup but the batting was too weak. Its clear that the first team did much better than the latter.

I meant draw yes. Elgar, markram and de Kock arent trash players in saffer conditions. I could check their averages but they are all quality players in South African conditions that's supported by goat level bowling.

It's enough to beat other pas great saffer teams. That's my point.

You don't have to be a goat side to win at home vs past era great sides especially when you have goat level bowling.

Why is this so hard for some of the paks here to Understand that?

As for you, you should know how great AB is. Ab in 2018 was at his best. He is a beast for a reason.

It was seaming Condtions.

Our lot struggle in seaming conditions too.

In such Condtions our 2010 may have got bowled out cheaply too if they faced 2018 saffer bowling attack.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I agree. 2018 Saffers could have easily lost the series to India but the current ATG Indian bowling lineup just couldn't stop one batsman from taking the game away from them.

Also India completely messed up sleections for the game.

Rahane and Pujara missed a couple of games iirc. Also we played with walking wickets in Rahul and Dhawan or some sh*t. Wasn't our best team.

 

[Ab Fan]

Also India completely messed up sleections for the game.

Rahane and Pujara missed a couple of games iirc. Also we played with walking wickets in Rahul and Dhawan or some sh*t. Wasn't our best team.

I am not against the current Indian team. My point was only w.r.t. you undermining the Indian team of 2000s and their overseas wins in that decade before 2011 World Cup.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I am not against the current Indian team. My point was only w.r.t. you undermining the Indian team of 2000s and their overseas wins in that decade before 2011 World Cup.

Oh NhA. Not undermining. Just saying that in home conditions, any above average team can topple even great teams. That's all.

It will be a close affair.

India of 2007-200 is a great side but in Asian Condtions it will be very close between virat's India and them. Same for Aussie currently vs pre 2006,. That's all I wanted to say.

 

[szrana007]

Oh NhA. Not undermining. Just saying that in home conditions, any above average team can topple even great teams. That's all.

It will be a close affair.

India of 2007-200 is a great side but in Asian Condtions it will be very close between virat's India and them. Same for Aussie currently vs pre 2006,. That's all I wanted to say.

India of 2007-10 will eat Virat's team alive same goes for Current Aus team, they will be demolished by 2000's Aussies, heck even Mark Taylor's team will destroy them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India of 2007-10 will eat Virat's team alive same goes for Current Aus team, they will be demolished by 2000's Aussies, heck even Mark Taylor's team will destroy them.

No they won't. They haven't faced bowling of this quality. Don't give me that nostalgic rubbish. I already posted all the bowling lineups they struggled with.

Current Aussie team would give the pre 2006 fits. This is their best bowling attack in a long time. On seaming Condtions this bowling attack is a nightmare matchups for the so called greats.

Lol at them eating anything alive. Only thing they are good at eating alive is meat pies.

They never ever faced quality bowling that's as well rounded as modern attacks.

 

[szrana007]

No they won't. They haven't faced bowling of this quality. Don't give me that nostalgic rubbish. I already posted all the bowling lineups they struggled with.

Current Aussie team would give the pre 2006 fits. This is their best bowling attack in a long time. On seaming Condtions this bowling attack is a nightmare matchups for the so called greats.

Lol at them eating anything alive. Only thing they are good at eating alive is meat pies.

They never ever faced quality bowling that's as well rounded as modern attacks.

You think an Indian batting lineup which took Warne and Murali apart will struggle against Ashwin and Jadeja ?

 

[tyron_woodley]

You think an Indian batting lineup which took Warne and Murali apart will struggle against Ashwin and Jadeja ?

Uhmm yes? Warne averages 44 in India.

Murali would be banned in current era.

Even still he would be tamed


Ashwin and Jadeja are monsters in Asia. Reao nightmares.

Plus add Shami ishu, jasprot chuckrah to the Fore. Dear lord have mercy.

 

[szrana007]

Uhmm yes? Warne averages 44 in India.

Murali would be banned in current era.

Even still he would be tamed


Ashwin and Jadeja are monsters in Asia. Reao nightmares.

Plus add Shami ishu, jasprot chuckrah to the Fore. Dear lord have mercy.

Warne and Murali >>>> Ashwin and Jadeja

 

[Robert]

A few Indian posters on the match thread are claiming that the current Australian lineup is as good or better than the 2000s lineup and would actually smash them in Aussie conditions.

So was wondering what would be your combined lineup:

My Combined Lineup would be as follows;

1. Hayden
2. Langer (Warner if you want 2 aggressive but usually for team combination you would go with a Langer type second batsman. But it could be either)
3. Ponting
4. Smith
5. Clarke
6. Martyn / Waugh / Hussey
7. Gil Christ
8. Warne
9. Cummins
10. Gillespie
11. McGrath

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Smith
Waugh (c)
Clarke
Gilchrist (w)
Warne
Cummins
Gillespie
McGrath

 

[tyron_woodley]

Warne and Murali >>>> Ashwin and Jadeja

No bro

Like I said Murali is chuckali. He will get banned in modern era. Plus he isn't that good vs good players of spin. In Asia he will get wrecked by virat's team.

Sri Lanka hasn't won a test match in India for a long time iirc.

Ashwin and Jadeja are far more inventive, creative and unorthodox in their way of creating chaos by using subtle variations that will bamboozle even the best players of spin like ABd witnessed. Too freakishly good in Asian Condtions. There is a reason why they are the two most feared spin duo.

Warne is a great player but not in India. Sorry
He averages 44. He is not good enough.

Ashwin and jaddu can single handedly run through sides. Infact even recently Ashwin wrecked the best player on earth i.e. Smith.

Virat's India would match 2007-2010 India very easily especially given how strong the pace attack is as they can all reverse swing the ball. It's a deadly combo.

It will either be a draw or slight edge to virat's India in India.

 

[szrana007]

No bro

Like I said Murali is chuckali. He will get banned in modern era. Plus he isn't that good vs good players of spin. In Asia he will get wrecked by virat's team.

Sri Lanka hasn't won a test match in India for a long time iirc.

Ashwin and Jadeja are far more inventive, creative and unorthodox in their way of creating chaos by using subtle variations that will bamboozle even the best players of spin like ABd witnessed. Too freakishly good in Asian Condtions. There is a reason why they are the two most feared spin duo.

Warne is a great player but not in India. Sorry
He averages 44. He is not good enough.

Ashwin and jaddu can single handedly run through sides. Infact even recently Ashwin wrecked the best player on earth i.e. Smith.

Virat's India would match 2007-2010 India very easily especially given how strong the pace attack is as they can all reverse swing the ball. It's a deadly combo.

It will either be a draw or slight edge to virat's India in India.

Bro, Virat's team has shoddy players of spin. Moeen Ali and Dean Elgar were taking fifers for fun against them. I can only imagine, what Warne and Murali would do to them

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bro, Virat's team has shoddy players of spin. Moeen Ali and Dean Elgar were taking fifers for fun against them. I can only imagine, what Warne and Murali would do to them

Yet they lost 4 0 and 3 0.

I think you are confusing Dhoni frauds team with Virat. Dhobi ghats team albeit good at home is no where near virat's team.

 

[szrana007]

Yet they lost 4 0 and 3 0.

I think you are confusing Dhoni frauds team with Virat. Dhobi ghats team albeit good at home is no where near virat's team.

I think Moeen Ali wrecked India in their last tour of England, when they lost 4-1.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I think Moeen Ali wrecked India in their last tour of England, when they lost 4-1.

I am talking about Asian Condtions not England.

In Asia India, India won 4 0 vs the poms.

In Asia Moeen averages 65 bro. He will get slaughtered and eaten alive.

So will Warne and Murali unfortunately.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

I am talking about Asian Condtions not England.

In Asia India, India won 4 0 vs the poms.

In Asia Moeen averages 65 bro. He will get slaughtered and eaten alive.

So will Warne and Murali unfortunately.

Warne & murali unlike Ashwin & jadeja didnt faced non-indians in India. Let ashwin & jadeja face Shewag, Sachin, Dravid, VVS and Ganguly in India. They'll be destroyed.

 

[sweep_shot]

My combined XI:

Warner
Hayden
Ponting
Smith
Clarke
Steve Waugh (c)
Gilchrist (wk)
Warne
Starc
Lee
McGrath.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

This team is very good but there really is no comparison

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

My combined XI:

Warner
Hayden
Ponting
Smith
Clarke
Steve Waugh (c)
Gilchrist (wk)
Warne
Starc
Lee
McGrath.

No Cummins? Mcgrath, Cummins & hazzlewood/gillespie would be ideal. Batting lineup is perfect.

 

[sweep_shot]

No Cummins? Mcgrath, Cummins & hazzlewood/gillespie would be ideal. Batting lineup is perfect.

Lee is much better. Much faster.

 

[Slog]

This team is very good but there really is no comparison

I don’t think this team really is good tho. Batting is a joke. Some good potential but it keeps getting sidetracked from achieving potential for some reason or another

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I don’t think this team really is good tho. Batting is a joke. Some good potential but it keeps getting sidetracked from achieving potential for some reason or another

I think it’s still a very strong batting lineup in their own conditions. Not amazing by any means

 

[tyron_woodley]

Warne & murali unlike Ashwin & jadeja didnt faced non-indians in India. Let ashwin & jadeja face Shewag, Sachin, Dravid, VVS and Ganguly in India. They'll be destroyed.

No they wouldn't. They average like 20 at home. Not to mention they will be supported by Shami Ishant Umesh who all averaged 20-22 at home. All potent with reverse swing. Nightmare for 2000 era India or any team in Indian / Asian Condtions.

Not to mention have to deal with bumrah who hasnt even played in Asia but averages 22 in first class.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I think it’s still a very strong batting lineup in their own conditions. Not amazing by any means

It's a very very strong team at home Condtions. Capable of destroying pre 2006 Australia. Bowling is that good. Don't kid yourself.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

It's a very very strong team at home Condtions. Capable of destroying pre 2006 Australia. Bowling is that good. Don't kid yourself.

You’re lying to yourself in your desperation or you’re just ignorant

 

[tyron_woodley]

You’re lying to yourself in your desperation or you’re just ignorant

They have 7 freaking world class players plus 2 solid quality players. It's a top class team. They can ground pre 2006 team and they could get wrexkesm it will be evenly matched in home Condtions

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

They have 7 freaking world class players plus 2 solid quality players. It's a top class team. They can ground pre 2006 team and they could get wrexkesm it will be evenly matched in home Condtions

All just opinions & conjectures of yours without any stats to backup your claim. I can claim Sakib Al hasan to be a better batsman than Bradman because Sakib faces better bowling. Thats how loony your claim is. Full strength Australia pre 2007 didnt lose a single test match at home for eight years straight. Let current Australia achieve half of it & then we might discuss.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

No they won't. They haven't faced bowling of this quality. Don't give me that nostalgic rubbish. I already posted all the bowling lineups they struggled with.

Current Aussie team would give the pre 2006 fits. This is their best bowling attack in a long time. On seaming Condtions this bowling attack is a nightmare matchups for the so called greats.

Lol at them eating anything alive. Only thing they are good at eating alive is meat pies.

They never ever faced quality bowling that's as well rounded as modern attacks.

Yasir Shah, a pakistani tail-ender can score a test hundred against the best bowling attack in a long time in foreign conditions but guys like Ponting, hayden, clark, langer, waugh, martyn and Gilchrist will be demolished in their home conditions against the same bowling lineup. Nice.

 

[sam_ahm]

Some posts in this thread is what made me to walk away from Pakpassion, Aussies batting line up of 2000s, esp early-mid 2000s would have probably scored 600/7 declared against this indian attack of ours, and probably would have won the game by an innings. That despite us having Sachin, Saurav, Rahul, VVS, Sehwag all in the line up.

 

[sam_ahm]

Also those undermining Brett Lee and Gillespie need to think again, global batting currently is very weak, take WI, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, South Africa for example, there is a difference in a getting a 5 for against Chase, Blackwood, Bravo or Masood, Abid, Haris, or Markram, Bavuma, etc. As against doing it against Lara, Chanderpaul, Sarwan, or Inzi, Yousuf, Anwar, Younis, or Smith, Kallis, Gibbs, AB etc.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Indian bowling is a lot better than it ws back in those days. But it is also true that Australia have only 3 quality batters now. Australia back then had 6 quality batters atleast until 2004.

 

[szrana007]

Also those undermining Brett Lee and Gillespie need to think again, global batting currently is very weak, take WI, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, South Africa for example, there is a difference in a getting a 5 for against Chase, Blackwood, Bravo or Masood, Abid, Haris, or Markram, Bavuma, etc. As against doing it against Lara, Chanderpaul, Sarwan, or Inzi, Yousuf, Anwar, Younis, or Smith, Kallis, Gibbs, AB etc.

Its a joke thread. There really is no comparison. Aus of late 90's and 2000's is the greatest side ever to play the game.

 

[Revolution]

Indian bowling is a lot better than it ws back in those days. But it is also true that Australia have only 3 quality batters now. Australia back then had 6 quality batters atleast until 2004.

Same Australian team scored bed of runs against other teams.

We cannot come to judgement.

 

[SamNJ]

The bowling is still a good match as they lacked a good 3rd pacer in 2000s while they have 3 potential ATG pacers in the line up and a quality spinner.
Batting is just minnow level when compare to the 2000 side.