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sensible-indian-fan said:
So Orbis is Cricket Engineer?

If so, makes sense.

That guy can twist anything and make it look logical (from a surface level).

Good trolling but gets boring after a while.
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Yeah both had same obsession with Indian fast bowlers. Also cricket Engineer had similar signature to that of Orbis. No doubt both are same.
 
Orbis said:
No idea who this cricket engineer is... but that India - Pakistan game was heavily favoured to India for several reasons:

1. 4 month long tour greatly supersedes warm-up matches, short tours etc.
2. India fully acclimatised, particularly at Adelaide having played a 5 day test-match and both warm-up matches
3. Pakistan hit with suspensions and injuries
4. Kohli dropped twice in his innings with Umar given wrongly out
5. Tactical errors i.e. playing Yasir Shah

As the tournament progressed it was clear that as we were acclimatising, we became formidable despite our set backs and the fact that most players were new to international cricket with hardly any practice (and that too first-time in Australia). This can be clearly observed by the fact that we ran Australia the closest (with VVS Laxman saying if Pakistan held onto the catches Pakistan would have won). A competitive game where Watson was celebrating like he won the WC after whereas Australia just walked off the pitch after beating India again in a winless tour.
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Hahaha...nah mate. You lost because your team in inferior to India comes global event

6-0 in World Cup and 3-0 in T'20 WC does not relate to your excuses :))
 
Yeah...My man Amit Mishra. Talk Nah [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]. That is what we missed in Australia and that is what a spinner with genuine wicket taking quality can do.
 
Postor Bora said:
Hahaha...nah mate. You lost because your team in inferior to India comes global event

6-0 in World Cup and 3-0 in T'20 WC does not relate to your excuses :))
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If you want to isolate those, then quite simply:

Tests
12-9

ODI
72-45

Batted you home, away and neutral. And I didn't know Champions Trophy wasn't a global event?

So your team is inferior overall no?
 
Orbis said:
If you want to isolate those, then quite simply:

Tests
12-9

ODI
72-45

Batted you home, away and neutral. And I didn't know Champions Trophy wasn't a global event?

So your team is inferior overall no?
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Agree. In kitply cup or Bank Alfalah cup, your team always has upper hand :))

Come World Cups, its when men get seperated from boys.

There is a T'20 WC coming next year, give it one more try ;-)

Someday somewhere you surely will beat India actually when matters. Keep trying. :msd
 
Postor Bora said:
Agree. In kitply cup or Bank Alfalah cup, your team always has upper hand :))

Come World Cups, its when men get seperated from boys.

There is a T'20 WC coming next year, give it one more try ;-)

Someday somewhere you surely will beat India actually when matters. Keep trying. :msd
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leave him man.Enjoy IPL
 
Orbis said:
If you want to isolate those, then quite simply:

Tests
12-9

ODI
72-45

Batted you home, away and neutral. And I didn't know Champions Trophy wasn't a global event?

So your team is inferior overall no?
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Yeah just like a student who scores top marks in some trivial tests , but fails in main exams. Btw cricket engineer , i missed you in world cup matches. You made some tall predictions that how your batsman will smash the day light out of our mediocre bowlers like Shami and Yadav in the world cup

What happened?
 
Wow! Hooda looks awesome potential.
Saw him in U-19 WC first time and he looked most assured batsman in the tourney.
He is developing rapidly than I expected.
Always exciting to see a teenager performing like that.
 
Postor Bora said:
Agree. In kitply cup or Bank Alfalah cup, your team always has upper hand :))

Come World Cups, its when men get seperated from boys.

There is a T'20 WC coming next year, give it one more try ;-)

Someday somewhere you surely will beat India actually when matters. Keep trying. :msd
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We aren't the ones sending full strength squads and making adverts such as "aane do" :)))

Fact is, a bilateral series is more comprehensive than a match every 4 years.

With your Delhi logic, Bangladesh = India due to World Cup results :facepalm:
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
So Orbis is Cricket Engineer?

If so, makes sense.

That guy can twist anything and make it look logical (from a surface level).

Good trolling but gets boring after a while.
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Certainly makes sense then.

This guy knows about many old threads on PP despite being new.

CE also had quite a few of his threads deleted. Looks like he was banned or something.
 
Enforcer said:
Yeah just like a student who scores top marks in some trivial tests , but fails in main exams. Btw cricket engineer , i missed you in world cup matches. You made some tall predictions that how your batsman will smash the day light out of our mediocre bowlers like Shami and Yadav in the world cup

What happened?
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LOL what a ridiculous analogy. The way you are going on you are acting as if you won 6 world cups, with your Delhi logic you pretty much fail the exams most of the times. A comprehensive 3-5 match ODI series is a better gauge than 1 match every 4 years. We've beaten you plenty in Champions Trophy and Asia Cups. The day we beat you in WC, what excuses will you have prepared then? :))

To say 6 matches over 70 is just ignorance and reeks of inferiority complex. You don't see Pakistanis jumping up and down over their even better record over teams such as Sri Lanka (who are the most consistent in World Tournaments).

With ridiculous analogies like that, Kohli top scores in trival tests against Sri Lanka but bottles in major tournaments. And Ponting >>>>>>>>>> Tendulkar due to the former's performances in world tournaments.

Fact is, and even Dhoni acknowledged, we have dominated you in cricket and that may be a bitter pill to swallow, but it is something you have to accept.
 
Orbis said:
We aren't the ones sending full strength squads and making adverts such as "aane do" :)))

Fact is, a bilateral series is more comprehensive than a match every 4 years.

With your Delhi logic, Bangladesh = India due to World Cup results :facepalm:
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Bilaterals means nothing and fans of a nation who cannot win on world event will say that. Its a fact that the ownage we gave you in World Championships is one of the greatest streaks. As far as bilaterals is concerned, check the Head 2 head record since the resumption of cricket in 2004 :)

Bangladesh 1 - India 2 in WC's. So not sure what are you on?

Yes by head to head in WC, Ireland - Pakistan is 1: 1 :)))
 
Enforcer said:
Yeah...My man Amit Mishra. Talk Nah [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]. That is what we missed in Australia and that is what a spinner with genuine wicket taking quality can do.
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Well...that wasn't our argument at all.

I never denied Amit Mishra's skills. On the other hand, I hailed them as the best we have got.

I talked about the fact that he could lose it in any pressure game and we never know when.

I said he could win us games continuously on his own and lose one on his own in a knockout cos we don't know what to expect of him.

So far....he has been good but how does his one performance here mean in the context of our discussion?
 
[MENTION=137564]Enforcer[/MENTION] -I do hope Amit Mishra does well and proves me wrong.

He has all the makings of an ATG spinner except mindset and if he can overcome his mental demons, we could have a special guy in our team.

:)
 
Postor Bora said:
Bilaterals means nothing and fans of a nation who cannot win on world event will say that. Its a fact that the ownage we gave you in World Championships is one of the greatest streaks. As far as bilaterals is concerned, check the Head 2 head record since the resumption of cricket in 2004 :)

Bangladesh 1 - India 2 in WC's. So not sure what are you on?

Yes by head to head in WC, Ireland - Pakistan is 1: 1 :)))
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But I am not the one putting emphasis on World Cup, you are. And why don't you tell me the record since 2004, because I am pretty sure it's equal no?

South Africa perennial chokers in World tournaments but does that mean other teams are better than them? I can safely say that they are a greater team than Pakistan (apart from 90s in which they were probably equal) and have always far superior than India.

I mentioned above our record against SL is even greater, but Pakistanis don't jump up and down over it. If used your logic then yes, Pakistan = Ireland, but obviously I'm not because it's ridiculous. Bangladesh knocked you out of a WC and while you only beat them in a group stage. Ireland knocked us out and we returned the favour, so you are making yourself look silly lol.

And 6 matches over decades isn't "ownage", comprehensively battering a team home and away over tests/ODIs is ownage.
 
Postor Bora said:
Bilaterals means nothing and fans of a nation who cannot win on world event will say that. Its a fact that the ownage we gave you in World Championships is one of the greatest streaks. As far as bilaterals is concerned, check the Head 2 head record since the resumption of cricket in 2004 :)

Bangladesh 1 - India 2 in WC's. So not sure what are you on?

Yes by head to head in WC, Ireland - Pakistan is 1: 1 :)))
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Wo bhaijaan ko jaada bhav mat de yaar.. :afaq
 
[MENTION=137564]Enforcer[/MENTION] - And as I predicted, Duminy's knock cost them.

Mishra and Tahir made a match out of it but 184/3 is always selfish.

CSK once scored 180/2 with Badri and promptly lost.
 
Yuvi wasted money!The crowd is cheering for Imran Tahir i don't understand why Pakistan players are not allowed really stupid on BCCI.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
[MENTION=137564]Enforcer[/MENTION] - And as I predicted, Duminy's knock cost them.

Mishra and Tahir made a match out of it but 184/3 is always selfish.

CSK once scored 180/2 with Badri and promptly lost.
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Totally Yuvi's fault bro and Tiwari those are veryy stupid.
 
Orbis said:
But I am not the one putting emphasis on World Cup, you are. And why don't you tell me the record since 2004, because I am pretty sure it's equal no?

South Africa perennial chokers in World tournaments but does that mean other teams are better than them? I can safely say that they are a greater team than Pakistan (apart from 90s in which they were probably equal) and have always far superior than India.

I mentioned above our record against SL is even greater, but Pakistanis don't jump up and down over it. If used your logic then yes, Pakistan = Ireland, but obviously I'm not because it's ridiculous. Bangladesh knocked you out of a WC and while you only beat them in a group stage. Ireland knocked us out and we returned the favour, so you are making yourself look silly lol.

And 6 matches over decades isn't "ownage", comprehensively battering a team home and away over tests/ODIs is ownage.
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I know you are not putting emphasis on world cup becuase that will lead you in a very embarrasing ground. The fact is, a win over his arch rival in World cup is way rated above than any bilaterals. And when the record stands at 6 -0 it is embarrasing to say the least. Decades of ownage and Miandad's six changing Indian Psycology is all misconception Pak fan has. They say all this to make themselv feel good because they know come crunch games they cannot beat India. Forget about real ODI World cup, just check the head 2 head record in U19 WC. Accept it, your team lacks temperament and are simply not good enough.
 
JaDed said:
Somehow it is this year but fielding has been pathetic from many team.Green Pitch on Pune was a remarkable imo.
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IPL was always like this barring those years where teams had to be revamped and even those years things picked up in the later stages. :facepalm:

Its the most idiotic rule ever.
 
Postor Bora said:
I know you are not putting emphasis on world cup becuase that will lead you in a very embarrasing ground. The fact is, a win over his arch rival in World cup is way rated above than any bilaterals. And when the record stands at 6 -0 it is embarrasing to say the least. Decades of ownage and Miandad's six changing Indian Psycology is all misconception Pak fan has. They say all this to make themselv feel good because they know come crunch games they cannot beat India. Forget about real ODI World cup, just check the head 2 head record in U19 WC. Accept it, your team lacks temperament and are simply not good enough.
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You are assuming you have a 6-0 record in World Cup and Pakistan have a 6-0 record in bilaterals, which in that case your argument holds weight. However 6 matches does NOT outweigh 190 Tests/ODIs, FACT.

And there is little difference between World Cups/Champions Trophy/Asia Cup. Where the latter two tournaments we have had numerous wins over India, it is just coincidence that a win hasn't come in WC yet. And LOL U19 WC? Is that how low you have gotten when we are arguably the most successful U19 side and battered you in the final (yet no Pakistani really boasts about it)?

Regarding the Miandad six, it was Indians themselves that were using it as an excuse to Pakistan's dominance over India, saying it was psychological.

You still failed to address my point regarding SA, who are clearly a superior team than both but have performed worse in WC. I think the difference between Indian and Pakistani fans is humility, which you clearly are lacking.
 
Orbis said:
You are assuming you have a 6-0 record in World Cup and Pakistan have a 6-0 record in bilaterals, which in that case your argument holds weight. However 6 matches does NOT outweigh 190 Tests/ODIs, FACT.

And there is little difference between World Cups/Champions Trophy/Asia Cup. Where the latter two tournaments we have had numerous wins over India, it is just coincidence that a win hasn't come in WC yet. And LOL U19 WC? Is that how low you have gotten when we are arguably the most successful U19 side and battered you in the final (yet no Pakistani really boasts about it)?

Regarding the Miandad six, it was Indians themselves that were using it as an excuse to Pakistan's dominance over India, saying it was psychological.

You still failed to address my point regarding SA, who are clearly a superior team than both but have performed worse in WC. I think the difference between Indian and Pakistani fans is humility, which you clearly are lacking.
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Well you arguement is baseless and you are running for cover here :D

Comparing World cup with Asia cup...that is like a true Pakistani fan :)))

You are arguably the most successful U19 side? How? India won U19 WC 3 times and Pak won twice.

SA as good a team they are always considered chockers because of their world cup fiasco. Those tears of ABDV and Duplesis tells you the whole story.

No I am not emotional. Just love to bust bubbles of dillusional fans like you ;-)
 
Just as an FYI: Even in Asia cup, SL and Ind are the most successful team with 5 titles each. Then comes Pak & BD.

So here goes another of your logic.
 
Postor Bora said:
Well you arguement is baseless and you are running for cover here :D

Comparing World cup with Asia cup...that is like a true Pakistani fan :)))

You are arguably the most successful U19 side? How? India won U19 WC 3 times and Pak won twice.

SA as good a team they are always considered chockers because of their world cup fiasco. Those tears of ABDV and Duplesis tells you the whole story.

No I am not emotional. Just love to bust bubbles of dillusional fans like you ;-)
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Success lies in consistency as well, we have reached the finals more often than not.

And okay WC may not be compared to Asia Cup, but it is pretty much the same as Champions Trophy no? Which we are leading in in terms of wins over India.

You failed to answer my question regarding SA, is SA a superior side to India or not? Because based on your world cup emphasis, that does not seem the case.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Well...that wasn't our argument at all.

I never denied Amit Mishra's skills. On the other hand, I hailed them as the best we have got.

I talked about the fact that he could lose it in any pressure game and we never know when.

I said he could win us games continuously on his own and lose one on his own in a knockout cos we don't know what to expect of him.

So far....he has been good but how does his one performance here mean in the context of our discussion?
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Never mind SIF, i was just excited that an INDIAN BOWLER took Smith Wicket cheaply, something we never able to do throughout the Australia tour and the WC. Watching Smith going back , gave me so much pleasure that i couldn't control my emotions.

Though RR and SRH are my favourite teams, but this is a special case.
 
Orbis said:
LOL what a ridiculous analogy. The way you are going on you are acting as if you won 6 world cups, with your Delhi logic you pretty much fail the exams most of the times. A comprehensive 3-5 match ODI series is a better gauge than 1 match every 4 years. We've beaten you plenty in Champions Trophy and Asia Cups. The day we beat you in WC, what excuses will you have prepared then? :))

To say 6 matches over 70 is just ignorance and reeks of inferiority complex. You don't see Pakistanis jumping up and down over their even better record over teams such as Sri Lanka (who are the most consistent in World Tournaments).

With ridiculous analogies like that, Kohli top scores in trival tests against Sri Lanka but bottles in major tournaments. And Ponting >>>>>>>>>> Tendulkar due to the former's performances in world tournaments.

Fact is, and even Dhoni acknowledged, we have dominated you in cricket and that may be a bitter pill to swallow, but it is something you have to accept.
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Pakistan used to be a good team 10 years ago but not anymore. Their batting is mediocre at best, bowling is good and fielding is atrocious. It's not a surprise that they are ranked 7th out of 8 good teams. India on the other hand have become more consistent and have a good batting lineup, average bowling and good fielding unit. I don't care about how many India won in the world cups and how many Pakistan have won in the 1990s. Pakistan's future looks bleak where as India is going in the right direction. I just hope that the new crop of Pakistani batsmen perform and prove themselves quickly. Otherwise, it's dark days ahead for Pakistani cricket
 
Orbis said:
Success lies in consistency as well, we have reached the finals more often than not.

And okay WC may not be compared to Asia Cup, but it is pretty much the same as Champions Trophy no? Which we are leading in in terms of wins over India.

You failed to answer my question regarding SA, is SA a superior side to India or not? Because based on your world cup emphasis, that does not seem the case.
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Consistency is definitely important but winning prestigious events weighs much more. Pakistan pre 2000's were definitely much stronger team than India. Even though India always beat you even then in big events like B&H world series final, your 92 World champion team, in 96 & 99 WC's etc. Still I give it to you that Pak was a strong team back then.

But now India is a way stronger team than Pakistan and its a no brainer. A sight of Pak winning vs India these days is a rarity. As a result you will see people talk about Aane Do series and Afridi's 2 sixes in Asia Cup so frequently. Because these are very very rare moments in cricket. You will never see Indian fans keep on referring about Bhajji's six on Amir in Asia Cup or Champions trophy win in Edgbaston or Kohli's 183 chase in Asia cup etc. Because we are expected to win against Pakistan. Atleast in India the mindset is you have to play very poor cricket to lose against a team like Pakistan. Yes, when we beat a team like Australia we take a lot of pride and boast about it longer.

As far as SA is concerned, they are hands down better team than us. In World Cup we have only beaten them once but they always had better of us.
 
Postor Bora said:
Consistency is definitely important but winning prestigious events weighs much more. Pakistan pre 2000's were definitely much stronger team than India. Even though India always beat you even then in big events like B&H world series final, your 92 World champion team, in 96 & 99 WC's etc. Still I give it to you that Pak was a strong team back then.

But now India is a way stronger team than Pakistan and its a no brainer. A sight of Pak winning vs India these days is a rarity. As a result you will see people talk about Aane Do series and Afridi's 2 sixes in Asia Cup so frequently. Because these are very very rare moments in cricket. You will never see Indian fans keep on referring about Bhajji's six on Amir in Asia Cup or Champions trophy win in Edgbaston or Kohli's 183 chase in Asia cup etc. Because we are expected to win against Pakistan. Atleast in India the mindset is you have to play very poor cricket to lose against a team like Pakistan. Yes, when we beat a team like Australia we take a lot of pride and boast about it longer.

As far as SA is concerned, they are hands down better team than us. In World Cup we have only beaten them once but they always had better of us.
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Good post. Bang on target
 
Orbis said:
LOL what a ridiculous analogy. The way you are going on you are acting as if you won 6 world cups, with your Delhi logic you pretty much fail the exams most of the times. A comprehensive 3-5 match ODI series is a better gauge than 1 match every 4 years. We've beaten you plenty in Champions Trophy and Asia Cups. The day we beat you in WC, what excuses will you have prepared then? :))

To say 6 matches over 70 is just ignorance and reeks of inferiority complex. You don't see Pakistanis jumping up and down over their even better record over teams such as Sri Lanka (who are the most consistent in World Tournaments).

With ridiculous analogies like that, Kohli top scores in trival tests against Sri Lanka but bottles in major tournaments. And Ponting >>>>>>>>>> Tendulkar due to the former's performances in world tournaments.

Fact is, and even Dhoni acknowledged, we have dominated you in cricket and that may be a bitter pill to swallow, but it is something you have to accept.
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Sachin too performed in world championship. Your Point?
 
Postor Bora said:
Consistency is definitely important but winning prestigious events weighs much more. Pakistan pre 2000's were definitely much stronger team than India. Even though India always beat you even then in big events like B&H world series final, your 92 World champion team, in 96 & 99 WC's etc. Still I give it to you that Pak was a strong team back then.

But now India is a way stronger team than Pakistan and its a no brainer. A sight of Pak winning vs India these days is a rarity. As a result you will see people talk about Aane Do series and Afridi's 2 sixes in Asia Cup so frequently. Because these are very very rare moments in cricket. You will never see Indian fans keep on referring about Bhajji's six on Amir in Asia Cup or Champions trophy win in Edgbaston or Kohli's 183 chase in Asia cup etc. Because we are expected to win against Pakistan. Atleast in India the mindset is you have to play very poor cricket to lose against a team like Pakistan. Yes, when we beat a team like Australia we take a lot of pride and boast about it longer.

As far as SA is concerned, they are hands down better team than us. In World Cup we have only beaten them once but they always had better of us.
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India's always go on about Kohli 183 actually. And the reason why Pakistani's go on about Aane do and Asia Cup is because of the stupid adverts that accompanied them, in fact for the Asia Cup Star Sports made an advert of Dhoni hitting 2 sixes in the final over whereas the reverse happened :)))

Regarding a sight of Pak winning vs. India, we beat you at home in our last series did we not? If you do play us in December then feel free to bump me because over the past decade the head-to-head record is still pretty even, that is despite it being India's strongest team and Pakistan's weakest.

And as for beating a team like Australia, you just got battered and didn't register a single win in 4-5 months so you can kiss that dream goodbye :))
 
Enforcer said:
Never mind SIF, i was just excited that an INDIAN BOWLER took Smith Wicket cheaply, something we never able to do throughout the Australia tour and the WC. Watching Smith going back , gave me so much pleasure that i couldn't control my emotions.

Though RR and SRH are my favourite teams, but this is a special case.
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Totally get it buddy.

Its so much fun watching Amit Mishra in action. He can reach levels Ashwin can only dream of.

One of the instances I desperately want to be proven wrong and you rubbing my face in it. :))

Hope

1. Mishra ji clicks
2. Rayudu flops
3. We find some lower order hitters
4. Pacers
 
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