Delhi Sultanate Appreciation Thread - Positive Contributions of Delhi Sultanate in Indian Subcontinent

[sweep_shot]

A few months ago, I started a thread to appreciate Mughal Empire and highlight their various contributions in Indian Subcontinent. Here was the thread: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ons-of-mughals-in-indian-subcontinent.312941/.

I am now making a similar thread highlighting Delhi Sultanate's contributions. Just like Mughals, they also contributed heavily to make Indian subcontinent a better place.

Here are some of their contributions (source: DeepSeek):

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The Delhi Sultanate, which ruled parts of the Indian subcontinent from 1206 to 1526, made significant contributions to Indian history, culture, and administration. Here are some of the key contributions:

1. Administrative Reforms​

• Centralized Administration: The Delhi Sultanate introduced a centralized administrative system, which was more structured than the earlier feudal systems. This included the division of the empire into provinces (Iqtas) governed by officials (Iqtadars).
  
  
• Revenue System: The Sultanate implemented a systematic revenue collection system, often based on land surveys and assessments. This helped in stabilizing the economy and ensuring a steady flow of revenue to the state.

​

2. Military Innovations​

• Use of Gunpowder: The Delhi Sultanate was among the first in India to use gunpowder in warfare, which revolutionized military tactics and fortifications.
  
  
• Standing Army: The Sultanate maintained a standing army, which was a departure from the earlier practice of raising armies only during times of war.

​

3. Cultural Synthesis​

• Indo-Islamic Culture: The Sultanate period saw the blending of Indian and Islamic cultures, leading to a unique Indo-Islamic culture. This synthesis is evident in architecture, literature, and daily life.
  
  
• Persian Influence: Persian language and culture had a significant impact during this period. Persian became the official language of administration and literature.

​

4. Architectural Contributions​

• Monuments and Buildings: The Delhi Sultanate is known for its architectural innovations, including the construction of mosques and forts.
  
  
• Indo-Islamic Architecture: The fusion of Indian and Islamic architectural styles led to the development of a distinct Indo-Islamic architectural style, characterized by the use of domes, arches, and minarets.

​

5. Economic Developments​

• Trade and Commerce: The Sultanate period saw an increase in trade and commerce, both within the subcontinent and with foreign countries. The establishment of secure trade routes and markets facilitated economic growth.
  
  
• Coinage: The Sultanate introduced new types of coins, which facilitated trade and economic transactions. The silver Tanka and the copper Jital were widely used.

​

6. Social Changes​

• Urbanization: The Sultanate period witnessed the growth of urban centers, which became hubs of economic, cultural, and political activity.
  
  
• Social Mobility: The Sultanate's relatively merit-based administrative system allowed for some degree of social mobility, enabling individuals from lower social strata to rise to positions of power and influence.

​

7. Literary Contributions​

• Persian and Urdu Literature: The Sultanate period saw the flourishing of Persian literature, with poets and writers like Amir Khusro making significant contributions. The period also saw the early development of Urdu as a literary language.
  
  
• Historical Works: Several historical works were written during this period, providing valuable insights into the history and culture of the time.
  

8. Agricultural Development​

• Irrigation Projects: The Sultanate undertook various irrigation projects to improve agricultural productivity. The construction of canals and wells helped in the development of agriculture, particularly in the northern regions of India.

Overall, the Delhi Sultanate played a crucial role in shaping the medieval history of India, leaving a lasting legacy in various fields such as administration, culture, architecture, and economy.

 

[anikrc1]

A few months ago, I started a thread to appreciate Mughal Empire and highlight their various contributions in Indian Subcontinent. Here was the thread: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ons-of-mughals-in-indian-subcontinent.312941/.

I am now making a similar thread highlighting Delhi Sultanate's contributions. Just like Mughals, they also contributed heavily to make Indian subcontinent a better place.

Here are some of their contributions (source: DeepSeek):

====================================

The Delhi Sultanate, which ruled parts of the Indian subcontinent from 1206 to 1526, made significant contributions to Indian history, culture, and administration. Here are some of the key contributions:

1. Administrative Reforms​

• Centralized Administration: The Delhi Sultanate introduced a centralized administrative system, which was more structured than the earlier feudal systems. This included the division of the empire into provinces (Iqtas) governed by officials (Iqtadars).
  
  
• Revenue System: The Sultanate implemented a systematic revenue collection system, often based on land surveys and assessments. This helped in stabilizing the economy and ensuring a steady flow of revenue to the state.

​

2. Military Innovations​

• Use of Gunpowder: The Delhi Sultanate was among the first in India to use gunpowder in warfare, which revolutionized military tactics and fortifications.
  
  
• Standing Army: The Sultanate maintained a standing army, which was a departure from the earlier practice of raising armies only during times of war.

​

3. Cultural Synthesis​

• Indo-Islamic Culture: The Sultanate period saw the blending of Indian and Islamic cultures, leading to a unique Indo-Islamic culture. This synthesis is evident in architecture, literature, and daily life.
  
  
• Persian Influence: Persian language and culture had a significant impact during this period. Persian became the official language of administration and literature.

​

4. Architectural Contributions​

• Monuments and Buildings: The Delhi Sultanate is known for its architectural innovations, including the construction of mosques and forts.
  
  
• Indo-Islamic Architecture: The fusion of Indian and Islamic architectural styles led to the development of a distinct Indo-Islamic architectural style, characterized by the use of domes, arches, and minarets.

​

5. Economic Developments​

• Trade and Commerce: The Sultanate period saw an increase in trade and commerce, both within the subcontinent and with foreign countries. The establishment of secure trade routes and markets facilitated economic growth.
  
  
• Coinage: The Sultanate introduced new types of coins, which facilitated trade and economic transactions. The silver Tanka and the copper Jital were widely used.

​

6. Social Changes​

• Urbanization: The Sultanate period witnessed the growth of urban centers, which became hubs of economic, cultural, and political activity.
  
  
• Social Mobility: The Sultanate's relatively merit-based administrative system allowed for some degree of social mobility, enabling individuals from lower social strata to rise to positions of power and influence.

​

7. Literary Contributions​

• Persian and Urdu Literature: The Sultanate period saw the flourishing of Persian literature, with poets and writers like Amir Khusro making significant contributions. The period also saw the early development of Urdu as a literary language.
  
  
• Historical Works: Several historical works were written during this period, providing valuable insights into the history and culture of the time.

8. Agricultural Development​

• Irrigation Projects: The Sultanate undertook various irrigation projects to improve agricultural productivity. The construction of canals and wells helped in the development of agriculture, particularly in the northern regions of India.

Overall, the Delhi Sultanate played a crucial role in shaping the medieval history of India, leaving a lasting legacy in various fields such as administration, culture, architecture, and economy.

@sweep_shot make one for Bengal Sultanate as well.

 

[sweep_shot]

@sweep_shot make one for Bengal Sultanate as well.

OK. Maybe a few months later. I don't want to post too many appreciation threads too quickly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A few months ago, I started a thread to appreciate Mughal Empire and highlight their various contributions in Indian Subcontinent. Here was the thread: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ons-of-mughals-in-indian-subcontinent.312941/.

I am now making a similar thread highlighting Delhi Sultanate's contributions. Just like Mughals, they also contributed heavily to make Indian subcontinent a better place.

Here are some of their contributions (source: DeepSeek):

====================================

The Delhi Sultanate, which ruled parts of the Indian subcontinent from 1206 to 1526, made significant contributions to Indian history, culture, and administration. Here are some of the key contributions:

1. Administrative Reforms​

• Centralized Administration: The Delhi Sultanate introduced a centralized administrative system, which was more structured than the earlier feudal systems. This included the division of the empire into provinces (Iqtas) governed by officials (Iqtadars).
  
  
• Revenue System: The Sultanate implemented a systematic revenue collection system, often based on land surveys and assessments. This helped in stabilizing the economy and ensuring a steady flow of revenue to the state.

​

2. Military Innovations​

• Use of Gunpowder: The Delhi Sultanate was among the first in India to use gunpowder in warfare, which revolutionized military tactics and fortifications.
  
  
• Standing Army: The Sultanate maintained a standing army, which was a departure from the earlier practice of raising armies only during times of war.

​

3. Cultural Synthesis​

• Indo-Islamic Culture: The Sultanate period saw the blending of Indian and Islamic cultures, leading to a unique Indo-Islamic culture. This synthesis is evident in architecture, literature, and daily life.
  
  
• Persian Influence: Persian language and culture had a significant impact during this period. Persian became the official language of administration and literature.

​

4. Architectural Contributions​

• Monuments and Buildings: The Delhi Sultanate is known for its architectural innovations, including the construction of mosques and forts.
  
  
• Indo-Islamic Architecture: The fusion of Indian and Islamic architectural styles led to the development of a distinct Indo-Islamic architectural style, characterized by the use of domes, arches, and minarets.

​

5. Economic Developments​

• Trade and Commerce: The Sultanate period saw an increase in trade and commerce, both within the subcontinent and with foreign countries. The establishment of secure trade routes and markets facilitated economic growth.
  
  
• Coinage: The Sultanate introduced new types of coins, which facilitated trade and economic transactions. The silver Tanka and the copper Jital were widely used.

​

6. Social Changes​

• Urbanization: The Sultanate period witnessed the growth of urban centers, which became hubs of economic, cultural, and political activity.
  
  
• Social Mobility: The Sultanate's relatively merit-based administrative system allowed for some degree of social mobility, enabling individuals from lower social strata to rise to positions of power and influence.

​

7. Literary Contributions​

• Persian and Urdu Literature: The Sultanate period saw the flourishing of Persian literature, with poets and writers like Amir Khusro making significant contributions. The period also saw the early development of Urdu as a literary language.
  
  
• Historical Works: Several historical works were written during this period, providing valuable insights into the history and culture of the time.

8. Agricultural Development​

• Irrigation Projects: The Sultanate undertook various irrigation projects to improve agricultural productivity. The construction of canals and wells helped in the development of agriculture, particularly in the northern regions of India.

Overall, the Delhi Sultanate played a crucial role in shaping the medieval history of India, leaving a lasting legacy in various fields such as administration, culture, architecture, and economy.

Most of what is considered Indian culture today is a product or influenced by them. Good OP

 

[sweep_shot]

Most of what is considered Indian culture today is a product or influenced by them. Good OP

Agree.

BJP people call these guys "invaders". The truth is India was unified under these empires.

Without Delhi Sultanate and Mughals, India might have been like African continent now (divided into many small countries).

 

[rickroll]

Most of what is considered Indian culture today is a product or influenced by them. Good OP

Most of NORTH Indian culture is a product or influenced by them - is what I have learned. South Indians generally do not relate to most things regarding Mughals or Delhi Sultanate.

As I harp this 100s of times, it is so sad and unfortunate that most Pakistanis here think that North India (specifically Punjab, UP etc) is India. I get it, it is easier to relate to Indian Punjabis (and I feel the same) but there is a whole other India if you traverse down South that has little in common with the North that Pakistanis think as "all of India". I learned this from my South Indian co-workers.

 

[Varun]

The Qutab Minar.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Qutab Minar.

After demolition of numerous temples and using the material to construct the minar.

 

[Varun]

After demolition of numerous temples and using the material to construct the minar.

Those were probably faaltu run of the mill temples which wouldn't have attracted even 10% of the tourists the QM does 700 years later.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

After demolition of numerous temples and using the material to construct the minar.

Were you working as a daily wage laborer when they were laying the first brick of the Qutub Minar?

 

[Rajdeep]

In modern times, they would be classified as Islamist terrorists.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In modern times, they would be classified as Islamist terrorists.

Acc to crazed hindu fanatics like you and your brethren

But

Most of your culture today and your ancestors is because of them. Your language , food , music, education , is all based on them . Yet your name is raj deep lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

Those were probably faaltu run of the mill temples which wouldn't have attracted even 10% of the tourists the QM does 700 years later.

So you decided that 27 Hindu and Jain temples were faltu and why?

Because QM attracts tourists?

Btw this claim of 27 temples is as per ASI.

 

[Hitman]

In modern times, they would be classified as Islamist terrorists.

It's a shame those animals are buried in our land.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Acc to crazed hindu fanatics like you and your brethren

But

Most of your culture today and your ancestors is because of them. Your language , food , music, education , is all based on them . Yet your name is raj deep lol

Your ancestors. Not his or mine.

Yout Language not ours.

Your education not ours.



You are free to hero worship a invading tyrant in your country. Won't happen in mine.

 

[Rajdeep]

Acc to crazed hindu fanatics like you and your brethren

But

Most of your culture today and your ancestors is because of them. Your language , food , music, education , is all based on them . Yet your name is raj deep lol

Nah...only converted muslims of sub continent glorify those barbaric turkish invaders. Then these same converted sub continent muslims sheds crocodile tears for Palestine and accuse Israel for invasion. The irony is hilarious.

Delhi Sultanate, like Mughals, were invaders of India, looters, murderers and brutal killers of Hindus. Go read about the brutality of Alauddin Khilji and how he killed around 60000 people in 2 days and streets of Delhi was red with blood. Its a different story that they got their rear side whopped by brave Rajputs and ran away like cowards. LOL.

Atleast my name is Raj deep. What is your real name chacha ji? How many times I have to ask you, come lets have a arm wrestling match. I will show you who is the real sultanate live. But everytime you run away like how Delhi Sultanates did from Rajputs.

 

[Rajdeep]

As I have said this in Mughal appreciation thread as well, when you invade someone's land you try to make it prosperous as a colony. So there will obviously be few architecture, infrastructure, modernization and social reforms. However people want to forget all the barbarity of these regimes and accept them just because they did some land reforms will never going to happen. I mean Israel made the absolute hell hole of a tiny land one of the most developed nations of earth. So if you praise Delhi Sultanate or Mughals for invading someones land and reforming it, praise Israel too. Atleast they are less barbaric than those crazy Islamist invaders.

 

[Varun]

So you decided that 27 Hindu and Jain temples were faltu and why?

Because QM attracts tourists?

Btw this claim of 27 temples is as per ASI.

Yes, the 27 temples would only have bred a generation of losers. If those temples made way for a mosque, I would have said the same thing.

At least the QM is a grand structure that makes money for itself.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, the 27 temples would only have bred a generation of losers. If those temples made way for a mosque, I would have said the same thing.

At least the QM is a grand structure that makes money for itself.

So religion is for losers?

FYI Qutub minar was constructed for the use of muazzin to give calls for prayers. Its a religious structure and part of the Quwat Al Islam mosque.

QM is a reminder of how muslim invaders tried to erase the indigenous religion of the native people.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nah...only converted muslims of sub continent glorify those barbaric turkish invaders. Then these same converted sub continent muslims sheds crocodile tears for Palestine and accuse Israel for invasion. The irony is hilarious.

Delhi Sultanate, like Mughals, were invaders of India, looters, murderers and brutal killers of Hindus. Go read about the brutality of Alauddin Khilji and how he killed around 60000 people in 2 days and streets of Delhi was red with blood. Its a different story that they got their rear side whopped by brave Rajputs and ran away like cowards. LOL.

Atleast my name is Raj deep. What is your real name chacha ji? How many times I have to ask you, come lets have a arm wrestling match. I will show you who is the real sultanate live. But everytime you run away like how Delhi Sultanates did from Rajputs.

Lol vegetarians have never had an empire and barely won any battles, it was the British which ended the rule not hindutva with sticks.

the language you speak at home has many words from your conquering fathers. Even the English you're writing also from your conquering masters.


India has one of the seven wonders of the world. Only famous this, can you name it ? Hint ..its not Modis tea bag

 

[Varun]

Lol vegetarians have never had an empire and barely won any battles, it was the British which ended the rule not hindutva with sticks.

the language you speak at home has many words from your conquering fathers. Even the English you're writing also from your conquering masters.


India has one of the seven wonders of the world. Only famous this, can you name it ? Hint ..its not Modis tea bag

At the very least the posters you are quoting (me included) didn't surrender their identity when the Mughals came to town then, or when the British lured you over now. We remain what we were then while you will be remembered as a pushover who bent the knee once a century.

 

[Rajdeep]

Lol vegetarians have never had an empire and barely won any battles, it was the British which ended the rule not hindutva with sticks.

the language you speak at home has many words from your conquering fathers. Even the English you're writing also from your conquering masters.


India has one of the seven wonders of the world. Only famous this, can you name it ? Hint ..its not Modis tea bag

Generalizing all Hindus as vegetarians is it? LOL

I am hardcore carnivore from childhood. We even offer meat to our Gods as part of rituals in many Hindu ceremonies. How ignorant are you hiding behind that computer screen in Bradford?

And LOL @ British was my conquering masters. Who were your ancestors then?

Turkish is it?

Or Italian? LOL

You do realize right that there was no Pakistan until 1947 and your forefathers were living under same British colony in India?

Unless in your head...you think like this guy



Chacha...arre oo Chacha

 

[Rajdeep]

@KingKhanWC did you see how veggie Hindu cricketers beat beef eating teams of Bangladesh and Pakistan in last week?

 

[sweep_shot]

Delhi Sultanate has given Indian subcontinent a solid identity.

Before them, the region was quite irrelevant and divided into many small kingdoms.

A lot of the things that modern day Indians enjoy/use are products of Delhi Sultanate.

 

[Rajdeep]

Delhi Sultanate has given Indian subcontinent a solid identity.

Before them, the region was quite irrelevant and divided into many small kingdoms.

A lot of the things that modern day Indians enjoy/use are products of Delhi Sultanate.

Exatly like what Israel did in the land of Palestine..gave it a world identity.

Before them, the land was quite irrelevant.

 

[sweep_shot]

Delhi Sultanate has given Indian subcontinent a solid identity.

Before them, the region was quite irrelevant and divided into many small kingdoms.

A lot of the things that modern day Indians enjoy/use are products of Delhi Sultanate.

Without Delhi Sultanate and Mughals, @Rajdeep now could've been from "Kingdom of Bihar" and @cricketjoshila could've been from "Kingdom of Kolkata".

There was no India before Delhi Sultanate.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Exatly like what Israel did in the land of Palestine..gave it a world identity.

Before them, the land was quite irrelevant.

Let him have his dream. He thinks Delhi Sultanate was amazing

 

[KingKhanWC]

@KingKhanWC did you see how veggie Hindu cricketers beat beef eating teams of Bangladesh and Pakistan in last week?

Cricket lol this is a sport originated by your conquering masters the English. Great point, your MAIN and ONLY sport was given to you by those who took your wealth and took controlled the land, not very smart to bring this up


It's a tough question (for you) but do try , name your most famous and greatest monument. ? Hint.. not yogis saffron dress

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Exatly like what Israel did in the land of Palestine..gave it a world identity.

Before them, the land was quite irrelevant.

Your history is too weak, Palestine was always in the spotlight

 

[sweep_shot]

Cricket lol this is a sport originated by your conquering masters the English. Great point, your MAIN and ONLY sport was given to you by those who took your wealth and took controlled the land, not very smart to bring this up


It's a tough question (for you) but do try , name your most famous and greatest monument. ? Hint.. not yogis saffron dress

Exactly.

Like I said, vast majority of the things Indians use/enjoy are due to Delhi Sultanate, Mughals, and British Empire. Even the game of cricket is a British sport.

If they are so fussy about the so-called "invaders", why are they playing cricket? Shouldn't they focus on Indian sports?

 

[Champ_Pal]

While Delhi Sultanate was able to hold strong from Afghanistan all the way to the Gangetic plains, they were foreign and remained so totally alienated from the local culture. Never adopt to the local culture. Its always my culture and cult over yours.
One would think they would be kind to the conquered people(Indians) because the rulers of the Delhi Sultanate themselves were slaves of the Abbasid Empire. These were the central asian Turkic people captured by the Caliphate, sold into slavery. The skilled fighting ones quickly rose the ranks and became elite commanders in the Caliphate army.

Once Mongols destroyed the Abbasid Caliphate, these slave Turkic commanders immediately ceased the opportunity, filled the power void, took over Persia and turned their aim towards Indian subcontinent. Abbasid Caliphate could not penetrate the land of Afghanistan and beyond. Until 11th century, Buddhism and Hinduism were holding strong there. The attacks were relentless and they took over Afghanistan and from there, there was no stopping of them.

It was a total power grab. A complete Slave-Master society. Every elite Muslim man owned dozens of slaves. Even the poor Muslim man owned slaves. We know who those slaves were. Cough ***Hindus/Buddhists*** Cough
Below is an excerpt from the link.
As early as the times of Iltutmish, mass enslavement supplied population for the cities. 19 Most of the people among the urban class owned slaves. Even the most destitute possessed some slaves. 20 Master-slave proportion in the Sultanate therefore, was one to many.

http://www.nihcr.edu.pk/latest_english_journal/the_dehli_sultanate.pdf

It was a hopeless society which would put Trans-Atlantic slavery to shame. But we have people who think it was the best thing to have happened to the subcontinent and they liberated people from Brahminical tyranny.

Delhi Sultanate was amazing for Turkic overlords, Ghazis and Elite converts to Islam. I highly doubt the local population appreciated it much.

I wonder what @sweep_shot thinks about the horrible slavery in Delhi Sultanate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Without Delhi Sultanate and Mughals, @Rajdeep now could've been from "Kingdom of Bihar" and @cricketjoshila could've been from "Kingdom of Kolkata".

There was no India before Delhi Sultanate.

Guptas Mauryas Palas all had empires bigger than most of the sultanate.

Bharatvarsha has existed as a geographical identity long before any sultanate came.

Wonder which Indica was Megasthenes talking about.

Which Hind were the arabs talking about?

Just because pakistanis and Bangladeshis Muslims think their history starts with conquest of Sindh, doesn't mean it applies to others. Even the History of Islam in India pre-dates any muslim invader.

 

[sweep_shot]

If there was no Delhi Sultanate, @cricketjoshila could've been singing the national anthem of "Kingdom of Kolkata" now. Something like this (taken from DeepSeek AI):

National Anthem of the Kingdom of Kolkata

[Verse 1]
Land of rivers, where the Ganga flows,
On this land, our spirit grows.
From bustling streets to buildings tall,
its beauty shines, uniting all.

[Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

[Verse 2]
Through history’s pages, our stories unfold,
Of bravery, culture, and treasures untold.
From poets’ words to warriors’ might,
We are guided forward, through day and night.

[Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

[Bridge]
Let the conch shells sound, let the drums resound,
In every corner, let hope abound.
From the Howrah Bridge to the mangrove’s grace,
We cherish this land, our beloved space.

[Final Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

 

[Rajdeep]

Without Delhi Sultanate and Mughals, @Rajdeep now could've been from "Kingdom of Bihar" and @cricketjoshila could've been from "Kingdom of Kolkata".

There was no India before Delhi Sultanate.

There were kingdoms even during Delhi Sultanate. Even without them, by now natural modernization would have taken place and India would have been a republic now. It is like saying without Christopher Columbus, America would still be a baren land of indigenous people.

Btw, you are boasting so much about Delhi Sultanate. SO go read about Mauryan Empire and acres of land which it ruled. LOL

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let him have his dream. He thinks Delhi Sultanate was amazing

He has to. Most Muslims from Pakistan and BD and some from India believe muslim invaders from Central Asia or Arabs etc and their conquest is something to be proud of. Not one of these dynasties had any Indian roots.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There were kingdoms even during Delhi Sultanate. Even without them, by now natural modernization would have taken place and India would have been a republic now. It is like saying without Christopher Columbus, America would still be a baren land of indigenous people.

Btw, you are boasting so much about Delhi Sultanate. SO go read about Mauryan Empire and acres of land which it ruled. LOL

The Richest kingdom during later sultanate period was the Vijaynagar kingdom. Vijaynagar was arguably the greatest city of that time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If there was no Delhi Sultanate, @cricketjoshila could've been singing the national anthem of "Kingdom of Kolkata" now. Something like this (taken from DeepSeek AI):

National Anthem of the Kingdom of Kolkata

[Verse 1]
Land of rivers, where the Ganga flows,
On this land, our spirit grows.
From bustling streets to buildings tall,
its beauty shines, uniting all.

[Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

[Verse 2]
Through history’s pages, our stories unfold,
Of bravery, culture, and treasures untold.
From poets’ words to warriors’ might,
We are guided forward, through day and night.

[Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

[Bridge]
Let the conch shells sound, let the drums resound,
In every corner, let hope abound.
From the Howrah Bridge to the mangrove’s grace,
We cherish this land, our beloved space.

[Final Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

Bangladeshis and their dreams.

 

[Rajdeep]

Cricket lol this is a sport originated by your conquering masters the English. Great point, your MAIN and ONLY sport was given to you by those who took your wealth and took controlled the land, not very smart to bring this up


It's a tough question (for you) but do try , name your most famous and greatest monument. ? Hint.. not yogis saffron dress

As I said when British conquered India, they were masters of your forefathers as well. Not sure why you are trying to act something different. Infact, British defeated Mughal, the one who converted you guys in the first place. However unlike yours my forefathers stuck to their roots and didnt convert.

 

[Rajdeep]

Your history is too weak, Palestine was always in the spotlight

The land is made rich by Israel.

You guys shed tear about Israel occupation but glorify barbaric rules like Mughals & Delhi Sultanate is a baffling irony.

We have debated this in depth in Mughal glorify thread and you had to back out eventually.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The land is made rich by Israel.

You guys shed tear about Israel occupation but glorify barbaric rules like Mughals & Delhi Sultanate is a baffling irony.

We have debated this in depth in Mughal glorify thread and you had to back out eventually.

Why were the Crusades fought for?

And how has Israel made rich this land by these acts????

 

[cricketjoshila]

As I said when British conquered India, they were masters of your forefathers as well. Not sure why you are trying to act something different. Infact, British defeated Mughal, the one who converted you guys in the first place. However unlike yours my forefathers stuck to their roots and didnt convert.

Too much truth to handle for these guys.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If there was no Delhi Sultanate, @cricketjoshila could've been singing the national anthem of "Kingdom of Kolkata" now. Something like this (taken from DeepSeek AI):

National Anthem of the Kingdom of Kolkata

[Verse 1]
Land of rivers, where the Ganga flows,
On this land, our spirit grows.
From bustling streets to buildings tall,
its beauty shines, uniting all.

[Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

[Verse 2]
Through history’s pages, our stories unfold,
Of bravery, culture, and treasures untold.
From poets’ words to warriors’ might,
We are guided forward, through day and night.

[Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

[Bridge]
Let the conch shells sound, let the drums resound,
In every corner, let hope abound.
From the Howrah Bridge to the mangrove’s grace,
We cherish this land, our beloved space.

[Final Chorus]
Great Kolkata, proud and free,
A kingdom of dreams, where hearts agree.
With courage and wisdom, we stand as one,
Under the sun, our journey’s begun.

If there was no India, Pakistan would still be ruling Dhaka and few hundred thousand pakistanis would be keeping you guys on a leash and you would be eating out of their hands.

 

[cricketjoshila]

@KingKhanWC thinks every hindu is veggie and weak. Then when I am openly challenging him for an arm wrestling match he is chickening away. He can also get his side kick @sweep_shot

This same arrogant paindu mindset is the reason why Pakistan as a country is in such a mess and why folks like him are a cancer in Britain. Infact this same racist mindset was the reason for the creation of Bangladesh in the first place where there used to be wide spread generalization of East Bengalis been midget and dark skinned.

He is a racist poster who gets away with racism because this is a Pakistani forum.

 

[sweep_shot]

Indians love to bring up Israel. False equivalence.

Firstly, You can't compare medieval period to current period. Completely different times and different norms.

Secondly, Israel is illegally grabbing the Palestinian lands and kicking native Palestinians out of their lands. Mughals and Delhi Sultanate did no such thing.

I urge Indian posters to learn from real sources instead of BJP WhatsApp University. Also, please don't derail this thread to Israel-Palestine (there are already Palestine threads for that).

 

[Rajdeep]

Why were the Crusades fought for?

And how has Israel made rich this land by these acts????

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The city of Tel Aviv is one the most developed nations on earth. Israel is one of the most scientifically advanced nations. However they have done all that by invading someone else's land as part of Balfour agreement. Now they don't want to leave and oppressing the native Palestines.

Similarly Islamist rulers also build many monuments and made the land reforms. However they did all that by killing thousands of innocent hindus and converting many. People like Alauddin Khilji killed 60k Hindus in the streets of Delhi in 11th century.

So for you to shed crocodile tear for former but glorify the later is hypocritical. That is why most wider world don't feel the same way about Israel issue as Muslims do because many people understands this hypocrisy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why were the Crusades fought for?

And how has Israel made rich this land by these acts????

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How did Muslim invaders made India rich by looting people, breaking places of worship, forceful conversions?

You glorify all those invaders.

Now Israel is taking back land that the Jews had lost.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians love to bring up Israel. False equivalence.

Firstly, You can't compare medieval period to current period. Completely different times and different norms.

Secondly, Israel is illegally grabbing the Palestinian lands and kicking native Palestinians out of their lands. Mughals and Delhi Sultanate did no such thing.

I urge Indian posters to learn from real sources instead of BJP WhatsApp University. Also, please don't derail this thread to Israel-Palestine (there are already Palestine threads for that).

When Muslims invade and take land its ok, if someone else takes back that land its not the norm. .

Israel is winning battles to get that land just like the invaders you glorify.

Muslims invaded and took others land, other's are now taking it back. Deal with it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Indians love to bring up Israel. False equivalence.

Firstly, You can't compare medieval period to current period. Completely different times and different norms.

Secondly, Israel is illegally grabbing the Palestinian lands and kicking native Palestinians out of their lands. Mughals and Delhi Sultanate did no such thing.

I urge Indian posters to learn from real sources instead of BJP WhatsApp University. Also, please don't derail this thread to Israel-Palestine (there are already Palestine threads for that).

Forget Israel.

Did you read my post about pathetic rampant slavery in Delhi Sultanate? Any comments on that?

 

[Rajdeep]

Firstly, You can't compare medieval period to current period. Completely different times and different norms.

It is true that you cant compare medieval period to present but you opened this thread today glorifying those barbaric rulers. Many things wrong happen in medieval era but people don't glorify them today unless you think killing of 60k hindus was justified just because they build some monuments. As I said in my first post, Delhi Sultanate would be a banned terrorist organization in modern era. You praising them is akin to praising terrorists.

Secondly, Israel is illegally grabbing the Palestinian lands and kicking native Palestinians out of their lands. Mughals and Delhi Sultanate did no such thing.

LOL. Mughals and Delhi Sultanates were 100 times more Barbaric that Israelis. Again go and read the history...whom did that original land of Israel belong to. And illegally? So invading a land, killing thousands, forced conversions which these Islamist invaders did were not illegal?

I urge Indian posters to learn from real sources instead of BJP WhatsApp University. Also, please don't derail this thread to Israel-Palestine (there are already Palestine threads for that).

If you glorify Islamic rulers, we have to call out your hypocrisy when shedding crocodile tear for Palestine.

There is nothing called BJP university but good to see the fear. Yeh darr acha laga

 

[Rajdeep]

@KingKhanWC you didnt reply to me bruh...so lemme ask again.

If British ruled us Indians, where were your forefathers from? Turkey or Italy?

And @sweep_shot what about you? Dnt tell me present day Bangladeshi ancestors were from Britain.

 

[sweep_shot]

Anyway, here are some artifacts from Delhi Sultanate era (copied from ChatGPT):

 

[Rajdeep]

^ So no response to any of my pertinent questions but back to spamming with some needless pictures

 

[cricketjoshila]

Delhi Sultanate art?

Money from India

Artisans from India

Land from India

But art is foreign invader's?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Delhi Sultanate art?

Money from India

Artisans from India

Land from India

But art is foreign invader's?

Whipping the locals into painting and building monuments that suit the taste and imagination of the Sultans.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Delhi Sultanate art?

Money from India

Artisans from India

Land from India

But art is foreign invader's?

All is true apart of last line.

Art is also Indian.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Whipping the locals into painting and building monuments that suit the taste and imagination of the Sultans.

How did local boys build the big temples. Did they have access to ancient vedic technologies? They were likely whipped and told to aswell.

 

[Champ_Pal]

^ So no response to any of my pertinent questions but back to spamming with some needless pictures

He will not respond to anything. I already exposed him with the slavery post in Delhi Sultanate. He conveniently ignores the abhorrent slavery and harems filled with local beautiful women. No talk on that. Just some monuments that too built by local artisans.

 

[Champ_Pal]

How did local boys build the big temples. Did they have access to ancient vedic technologies? They were likely whipped and told to aswell.

The local arts and architecture are the product of local culture. It is part of their religion and expression. Not foreign arts where the locals have to learn which they do not understand. Look at the carvings on the wall. A Kumar from Punjab or UP would not understand what exactly they are carving. Do as the Sultan commands whether they like it or not.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

How did Muslim invaders made India rich by looting people, breaking places of worship, forceful conversions?

You glorify all those invaders.

Now Israel is taking back land that the Jews had lost.

They didn't siphon off or send money back to central Asia.

Secondly, India infact was the second largest economy in medieval times.

Third, Jews were kicked out by non-Muslim kings first for their betrayal and actions. So why should Muslims pay the price.

Fourthly, in the same manner who were Aryans, are Hindus the son of soil??? IF NOT, then why blame Muslims as per your Israel homeland logic...

Answer these first, more questions to follow

 

[Rajdeep]

He will not respond to anything. I already exposed him with the slavery post in Delhi Sultanate. He conveniently ignores the abhorrent slavery and harems filled with local beautiful women. No talk on that. Just some monuments that too built by local artisans.

Not surprising. One should have read his post in womens cricket thread to actually understand the mindset

 

[Champ_Pal]

They didn't siphon off or send money back to central Asia.

Secondly, India infact was the second largest economy in medieval times.

Third, Jews were kicked out by non-Muslim kings first for their betrayal and actions. So why should Muslims pay the price.

Fourthly, in the same manner who were Aryans, are Hindus the son of soil??? IF NOT, then why blame Muslims as per your Israel homeland logic...

Answer these first, more questions to follow

The initial Lootere of Central Asian Turks (Ghaznavi, Ghori etc) looted like its nobody's business. Most of the wealth was transferred to Afghanistan and beyond. Every new territory they conquered in North india, temples and monasteries were looted, women taken into harems and men taken as slaves and sold in the streets of Kabul, Bukhara and beyond.

It was only when the Mughals came, this trend of selling people into slavery beyond Bharat stopped. Mughals realized they were too powerful and they do not have to send and tribute to Ottomans. They were too far from India to be subservient to them. Why send money to a power that is thousands of miles away when they can enjoy it in India itself? They built opulent palaces, monuments for their favorite 3rd wife...

 

[sweep_shot]

Just some basic knowledge for the ignorant Indian posters here:

1) Many of the modern day Israeli Jews are Europeans. They are not natives to Palestine. It is like me saying I am an Arab just because I am a Muslim. I am not an Arab and these European Jews are also not from the Middle East. Netanyahu's father was a Polish man, for example.

2) Jews were kicked out by many different groups over the history. They were first kicked out by people who were not Muslims at all. You can read about these here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews.

3) Before Jews, there were people there too. What if those people start to claim it is their homeland?

It makes me laugh when these ignorant Indians start to defend Israel. I think they should check what Torah says about idol worship. They may not like what's there.

Anyway, let's return to topic of appreciation of Delhi Sultanate (a successful medieval empire).

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The initial Lootere of Central Asian Turks (Ghaznavi, Ghori etc) looted like its nobody's business. Most of the wealth was transferred to Afghanistan and beyond. Every new territory they conquered in North india, temples and monasteries were looted, women taken into harems and men taken as slaves and sold in the streets of Kabul, Bukhara and beyond.

It was only when the Mughals came, this trend of selling people into slavery beyond Bharat stopped. Mughals realized they were too powerful and they do not have to send and tribute to Ottomans. They were too far from India to be subservient to them. Why send money to a power that is thousands of miles away when they can enjoy it in India itself? They built opulent palaces, monuments for their favorite 3rd wife...

Ok so crux of your argument is Non Mughals were tyrants but Mughals were nice rulers barring their architectural extravaganza? Right

 

[speed]

Even slaves easily conquered India, pathetic military history of these people

 

[sweep_shot]

Even slaves easily conquered India, pathetic military history of these people

Good point.

They are mostly good at bullying defenseless minorities within Indian border.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How did local boys build the big temples. Did they have access to ancient vedic technologies? They were likely whipped and told to aswell.

Places of worship, whether temples or mosques or churches etc are for community use and may have had a larger community participation than some kings masoleum or palace.

 

[speed]

Good point.

They are mostly good at bullying defenseless minorities within Indian border.

they are only good at bullying each other, Caste system, 25% of hindus they consider untoucables

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even slaves easily conquered India, pathetic military history of these people

Where did your ancestors come from?

 

[speed]

Where did your ancestors come from?

The sulaiman mountains

 

[cricketjoshila]

They didn't siphon off or send money back to central Asia.

Secondly, India infact was the second largest economy in medieval times.

Third, Jews were kicked out by non-Muslim kings first for their betrayal and actions. So why should Muslims pay the price.

Fourthly, in the same manner who were Aryans, are Hindus the son of soil??? IF NOT, then why blame Muslims as per your Israel homeland logic...

Answer these first, more questions to follow

1. They did.

2. India was one of the Richest civilizations even before any Muslim stepped in here.

3. Jews are taking back their land from whosoever is holding it. Muslim rulers weren't kind to Jews.

4. There is no proof of Aryan invasion. Its a theory. There is proof of Muslim invasion. Plenty of them.

You are free to hero worship invaders. In India we will not allow invading tyrants to be made heroes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The sulaiman mountains

And what religion they followed before Islam?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Ok so crux of your argument is Non Mughals were tyrants but Mughals were nice rulers barring their architectural extravaganza? Right

Mughals were no better. But they at least did not transfer the wealth from subcontinent to Central Asia, Persia and Middle East. The invested all their wealth in themselves. All those buildings, forts, palaces and gardens come at a cost. They needed all the gold for their own extravaganza.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Good point.

They are mostly good at bullying defenseless minorities within Indian border.

But we went and made 90k pakistanis surrender. These 90-100k pakistanis were making 80-90mn east pakistanis dance and jump.

So much so that over 10mn came running to India and lived at our mercy.

A Bangladeshi talking about wars is funny. The only thing you guys are good at was killing Hindus during direct action day.

 

[speed]

And what religion they followed before Islam?

no idea, whatever religions were practiced in that region before islam, Hinduism, buddism, Zorostrian etc

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ok so crux of your argument is Non Mughals were tyrants but Mughals were nice rulers barring their architectural extravaganza? Right

If you're really interested in knowing the tyranny of the Mughals read their autobiographies and biographies. All written during their rule.

It will tell you how they treated Hindus.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

1. They did.

2. India was one of the Richest civilizations even before any Muslim stepped in here.

3. Jews are taking back their land from whosoever is holding it. Muslim rulers weren't kind to Jews.

4. There is no proof of Aryan invasion. Its a theory. There is proof of Muslim invasion. Plenty of them.

You are free to hero worship invaders. In India we will not allow invading tyrants to be made heroes.

1. So why the richest civilization lingered after fall of mughals?

2. Wrong Muslim rulers were the most generous to them

Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

3. Debatable but listen to this stupid pro BJP podcaster

And on worship of tyrants, I have tagged you in another thread.

 

[cricketjoshila]

no idea, whatever religions were practiced in that region before islam, Hinduism, buddism, Zorostrian etc

So weren't they conquered?

 

[speed]

So weren't they conquered?

They must have at some point, Every people throughout history have been conquered.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They must have at some point, Every people throughout history have been conquered.

Then what are you on about Indians being conquered.

Sulaiman mountains are in a region that was ruled by Hindu rulers till Muslims invaders came. If your ancestors are from that region they were conquered too.

 

[speed]

Then what are you on about Indians being conquered.

Sulaiman mountains are in a region that was ruled by Hindu rulers till Muslims invaders came. If your ancestors are from that region they were conquered too.

Yh then they became muslims and raided india for the next 700-800 years.