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'Almost 40pc pilots have fake licenses'

The minister said that the government had observed that major airlines in other countries did not have such a history of crashes and therefore, started to investigate pilots. There are 860 active pilots in the country, he said, adding that of these 860, 262 pilots did not even take their exams themselves.

Decrying that pilots were not hired on merit, Khan said that fake degrees and licenses were issued. "Almost 40 per cent of pilots have fake licenses," he said, adding that they did not have flying experience either.

He added that the government had started to take action against all such pilots. "In the first phase, 54 such pilots were identified. Show cause notices were issued to 24 and nine others confessed that they were unqualified.

"I believe this issue should not be politicised. It is a matter of national security. The inquiry has been free, fair and transparent," he concluded.

Shortly after the crash last month, the government had formed a committee, headed by Air Commodore Usman Ghani, who is president of the Aircraft Accident Investigation Board to determine the causes of the crash and issue a report in one month's time.

An 11-member team of Airbus, the manufacturer of the A320 aircraft, had also visited the country and investigated the site of the incident to offer technical assistance to Pakistani investigators in the PK-8303 crash probe.

Earlier this month, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said in a letter to the PIA that the pilot of the crashed aircraft did not follow the instructions of the ATC.

The CAA letter said the duty approach controller had raised a non-compliance report in respect of the pilot of PK-8303. It claimed that the pilot was warned twice about his speed and high altitude for approach but he did not follow.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1564911/i...-atc-officials-in-pia-crash-aviation-minister
 
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What kind of heartless thick ******* fakes a flying qualification?

Do they not have any fear for the lives they are responsible for?
 
'Almost 40pc pilots have fake licenses'

The minister said that the government had observed that major airlines in other countries did not have such a history of crashes and therefore, started to investigate pilots. There are 860 active pilots in the country, he said, adding that of these 860, 262 pilots did not even take their exams themselves.

Decrying that pilots were not hired on merit, Khan said that fake degrees and licenses were issued. "Almost 40 per cent of pilots have fake licenses," he said, adding that they did not have flying experience either.

He added that the government had started to take action against all such pilots. "In the first phase, 54 such pilots were identified. Show cause notices were issued to 24 and nine others confessed that they were unqualified.]

What?? How crooked and broken is this system, this isn't lying to get some job at Starbucks. How can this be possible?? Honestly pathetic.
 
The irony is that that the federal minister of aviation himself has fake degree charges against him.

This 40 percent fake degrees figure should be taken with a pinch of salt. It is disappointing to see PTI ministers playing politics over this.

If what he is saying is true, he should name all these fake degree pilots and bring them on live tv. However, nothing will happen because this is propaganda to malign the previous governments.

PIA pilots are good. Pilot error happens even in the best airlines in the world. In fact, the vast majority of air crashes happen due to pilot errors, since modern aviation is by far the safest mode for travel.
 
What?? How crooked and broken is this system, this isn't lying to get some job at Starbucks. How can this be possible?? Honestly pathetic.

This is the mess that PTI picked up. May be Shri Mamoon Sharif can explain these figures as the competent parties were in govt for the past 10 years.
 
What?? How crooked and broken is this system, this isn't lying to get some job at Starbucks. How can this be possible?? Honestly pathetic.

Meanwhile last year...

Senate body against firing staff with fake degrees

The Senate Standing Committee on Aviation has opposed the termination of services of those employees of the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) who hold fake degrees.

The committee headed by Senator Mushahidullah Khan was apprised by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) that verification of educational credentials of Pakistan International Airlines Corporation Limited (PIACL) employees was an ongoing process, under which it is currently dealing with 1,200 cases of fake certificates and degrees.

PIACL COO Ejaz Mazhar informed the panel that 402 such employees have been terminated while 35 cases are under process of disciplinary proceedings, whereas 263 employees have approached courts for stay order and more suspicious degrees are being verified.

CAA Director General Hassan Baig also told the committee that the authority had suspended licences of pilots and cabin crew members having fake academic credentials, while directives had also been issued to suspend the licences of all pilots and cabin crew members who had not yet submitted their degrees and certificates.

The panel was also informed that 90 per cent work regarding action against fake degrees had been completed after the Supreme Court took notice of the issue.

Committee Chairperson Mushahidullah Khan said the issue of fake degrees is serious and rather than depriving people of their jobs, their salaries should be reduced.

No one should be rendered unemployed for having a fake degree, he said, adding that those deprived of their jobs would lose their livelihood. He further said the top court had ordered action against those holding fake degrees but not of depriving them of employment.

“Why action is not being taken against those who hired them,” asked Khan, to which PIA authorities told the committee that almost all of them had retired. The chairman asked for action to be taken against them even if they had retired.

Likewise, the committee recommended criminal proceedings against those responsible for verification of the degrees at the time of appointment who did not verify credentials of the newly inducted employees.

It was also disclosed during the meeting that seven employees were hired on verbal orders and an office had been provided to them at the airport. Expressing concern on the issue, the committee said justification for giving employment to these persons should be provided along with their job descriptions.

PIA authorities further told the committee salaries of these seven persons are paid by the defence ministry and they are there for supporting the PIA staff. The Senate committee was unsatisfied by the answer and summoned the PIA chairman.

Moreover, commenting on an incident of breakage of a passenger seat in business class of PK-786 allocated to Senator Samina Saeed while travelling from UK (Heathrow) to Islamabad on December 16, COO Mazhar apologised and said the seats had been repaired. About an incident of a passengers boarding bridge collapse at the Islamabad International Airport, the committee was informed that a board of inquiry had been constituted to ascertain the reasons of the incident.

The chairman constituted a sub-committee headed by Senator Mir Hasil Khan Bizenjo and comprising Senators Sherry Rehman and Samina Saeed to look into the fake degree cases and the bridge collapse incident and prepare a comprehensive report on the issues. (With additional input from APP)

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1880343/1-senate-body-firing-staff-fake-degrees/
 
RAWALPINDI: The management of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has decided to ground its 150 pilots.

Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan disclosed in the National Assembly on Wednesday that a large number of commercial pilots possessed ‘dubious licences’.

PIA spokesman Abdullah Hafeez told Dawn that “about 150 pilots are being grounded.”

He said the management has now written to the Civil Aviation Authority to urgently provide the list of other licences found to be dubious and all of them will be indefinitely grounded pending inquiries against them.

“Those found at fault will be terminated from service after following a due process,” he said.

Probe into ATR pilot’s credentials began after plane skidded off Panjgur runway in 2018

The spokesman acknowledged the findings of the preliminary investigation report shared with the parliament by the aviation minister on the plane crash of May 22 which claimed 97 lives and reaffirmed PIA’s resolve for further improving safety standards within the company using the findings of the report as guiding principles.

He said that the investigations into dubious licences issued by the aviation regulator were highlighted by the PIA itself in the aftermath of the incident occurred in Panjgur in November 2018 where an ATR skidded off the runway, using the same hot and high approach and then making some elementary level mistakes.

That incident prompted an inquiry into the pilot’s credentials which were found to be dubious. The same was reported to the regulator and the PIA requested the government to constitute a highlevel inquiry into the matter which the aviation minister ordered immediately.

A thorough forensic audit was conducted into the licences of all the pilots obtained within the country. The PIA management continuously followed up for expediting the inquiry process and highest executive office of the country also intervened.

Meanwhile, the PIA tracked another 15 such pilots and all of them were grounded pending clearance from the inquiry board. That did cost PIA Rs175-200 million in terms of salaries of such pilots, not to mention additional perks and privileges.

The spokesperson said that based on the internal assessment of the situation consequent to this tragic event, the PIA will be making additional recommendations to the regulatory authority for further improvement which is the order of the day, saying that the regulator would be needed to firm up and bring about zero-tolerance towards misdemeanours in the grant and checking of licences.

Mr Hafeez said some of flights may be cancelled consequently but safety takes precedence over commercial interests and only pilots with impeccable service records and clear credentials will operate the flights.

He said in order to ensure that safety is never compromised again, a Flight Data Monitoring Unit has been established through which now the PIA will itself measure, analyse and identify trends of PIA flights network-wide for corrective or preventive measures based on international established commercial aviation standards.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1565061/pia-to-ground-150-pilots-with-dubious-licences
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PIA acknowledges the AAIB report and have already taken measures learning from it. An independent Flight Data Monitoring setup established to monitor & analyze all flights. All pilots with dubious licenses will be grounded. Safety is more imp. than any commercial interest</p>— PIA (@Official_PIA) <a href="https://twitter.com/Official_PIA/status/1275887690794307585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Even if we take the word of the fake degree holder Ghulam Sarwar that dozens of PIA pilots have fake degrees, why did it take 2 years and a crash for the PTI government and the leadership of PAF warrior Arshad Malik to find out?

What were they doing for 2 years instead of showing off the increase in revenue and profits?

Unfortunately the problem is that no media person is willing to ask the real questions because they are worried about their own jobs.
 
Even if we take the word of the fake degree holder Ghulam Sarwar that dozens of PIA pilots have fake degrees, why did it take 2 years and a crash for the PTI government and the leadership of PAF warrior Arshad Malik to find out?

What were they doing for 2 years instead of showing off the increase in revenue and profits?

Unfortunately the problem is that no media person is willing to ask the real questions because they are worried about their own jobs.

These problema have only existed for 2 years- right? Under previous leadership/Gov- it was authentic?

If the answers to my questions is a yesyou have a point Mamoon,otherwise, it is the usual when it comes to you.
 
These problema have only existed for 2 years- right? Under previous leadership/Gov- it was authentic?

If the answers to my questions is a yesyou have a point Mamoon,otherwise, it is the usual when it comes to you.

But the other parties did not claim that they will bring tabdeeli and did not claim that they will do things differently.

PPP did not claim in 2008 that they made mistakes in 1988 and 1993, and PMLN did not claim in 2013 that they made mistakes in 1997.

They defended their previous performances.

But PTI were the ones who categorically stated that they will be different from others. So that takes us back to my original question - why did it take 2 years and a crash for PTI to find out that there are fake pilots in PIA?

Deflecting this back to the previous governments will not change the fact that ‘Naya PIA’ didn’t do anything about fake pilots in 2 years, and would have done nothing now either had the crash not happened.
 
Another gem.

PMLN appointed Mullah Jamhooriat "Fazl ur Rehman"'s brother on some religious based position. He used to travel every year to USA for taraavih prayers. And then they wonder why couldn't Imran Khan fox this mess :facepalm:

Their brand of jamhooriat is very rewarding indeed. No wonder Fazlu has been sooo angry at being kicked out of parliament.
 
But the other parties did not claim that they will bring tabdeeli and did not claim that they will do things differently.

PPP did not claim in 2008 that they made mistakes in 1988 and 1993, and PMLN did not claim in 2013 that they made mistakes in 1997.

They defended their previous performances.

But PTI were the ones who categorically stated that they will be different from others. So that takes us back to my original question - why did it take 2 years and a crash for PTI to find out that there are fake pilots in PIA?

Deflecting this back to the previous governments will not change the fact that ‘Naya PIA’ didn’t do anything about fake pilots in 2 years, and would have done nothing now either had the crash not happened.

Previous administrationa did not put any boastful pledges etc- are you reading out loud what you are typing?!

Do not get me wrong, any failing needs to be addressed but that needs to be done with context and not with the blinkers you use.
 
PIA is a perfect mirror of how all of Pakistan's institutions have been ruined. Honestly Pakistan needs to get out of this socialist idea of state run enterprises and let the private sector handle things with strict regulators. As long as PIA is run by the government it will continue to make gaffe's like this one.

And seriously, 150 pilots with dubious certifications??? Pia is a small airline I can't imagine it having more than a thousand pilots so that means 15-20% pilots have fake credentials.... And it took another catastrophe to highlight this issue? Politics aside is anyone in Pakistan questioning the way things are run? The victims could've been anyone of us or our family members...
 
Previous administrationa did not put any boastful pledges etc- are you reading out loud what you are typing?!

Do not get me wrong, any failing needs to be addressed but that needs to be done with context and not with the blinkers you use.

Do the boastful pledges of previous governments change the fact that PTI didn’t do anything about these fake pilots for 2 years?
 
Do the boastful pledges of previous governments change the fact that PTI didn’t do anything about these fake pilots for 2 years?

And I repeat again, nice and slowlythis time- what did previous Governments do?

Do not avoid answering the question- PTI quite rightly, as you put it had 2 years- how long did PPP,PML-N and the other jokers have? Was it less than 2 years?

The damage and decay in many areas of Pakistan- be it aviation or whatever domain-the damage was done long ago and PTI have been charged to arrest years of decline/incompetence.
 
The only thing arguble (to a credible unbiased person) is have PTI done enough in 2 years? To me,they've made solid progress but 2 years to sort years of ineptitude does not work,they need time. If, they had been in power for 10yrs or so, you would have a point Mamoon but as usual, the only point is the wrong point, tapered with blinkered narratives
 
Do the boastful pledges of previous governments change the fact that PTI didn’t do anything about these fake pilots for 2 years?

The stupidity of your logic is mind boggling. You don't blame the crooks that hired the crooks illegally , you blame the people who said they would fix it. Jesus wept
 
The only thing arguble (to a credible unbiased person) is have PTI done enough in 2 years? To me,they've made solid progress but 2 years to sort years of ineptitude does not work,they need time. If, they had been in power for 10yrs or so, you would have a point Mamoon but as usual, the only point is the wrong point, tapered with blinkered narratives

I have tried to educate him but I am losing hope. Its a thankless task.
 
Another gem.

PMLN appointed Mullah Jamhooriat "Fazl ur Rehman"'s brother on some religious based position. He used to travel every year to USA for taraavih prayers. And then they wonder why couldn't Imran Khan fox this mess :facepalm:

Their brand of jamhooriat is very rewarding indeed. No wonder Fazlu has been sooo angry at being kicked out of parliament.

Apparently that is all halal, the real problem in PK is IK saying its a problem. And that is unforgivable but if you create the problem, then you are a competent.
 
And I repeat again, nice and slowlythis time- what did previous Governments do?

Do not avoid answering the question- PTI quite rightly, as you put it had 2 years- how long did PPP,PML-N and the other jokers have? Was it less than 2 years?

The damage and decay in many areas of Pakistan- be it aviation or whatever domain-the damage was done long ago and PTI have been charged to arrest years of decline/incompetence.

And I will also repeat, nice and slowly, that you are deflecting the question because you cannot answer it. Hence, you want to avoid it and deflect back to the PMLN and PPP.

The answer to the question:

“why did it take 2 years and a crash for PTI to find out that we have pilots with fake degrees”

Is not:

”why did the other parties let this happen and why did they hire fake pilots”

Let’s assume for the sake of argument that the other parties didn’t care and weren’t bothered about the hiring process of the pilots. So what now?

Would that change the fact that it took 2 years and a crash for PTI to find out that pilots have fake degrees? What took them so long?

They have been harping about PIA reforms from day 1. Even a layman would tell you that if you are reforming an airline, the first thing that you will do is to check the condition of the planes and check the competency of the pilots who are tasked with flying the planes.

It appears that PIA was so busy doing showbaazi over the revenue and the profits that they did not even bother to check the degrees of the pilots until a crash happened.
 
The stupidity of your logic is mind boggling. You don't blame the crooks that hired the crooks illegally , you blame the people who said they would fix it. Jesus wept

Let’s assume that I have blamed the crooks. Now after I am done blaming them, I am asking why it took 2 years and a crash for the new and reformed PIA to find out that the pilots have fake degrees?

This is something very elementary, and probably the very first thing you will check if you are looking to revamp an airline.
 
And I will also repeat, nice and slowly, that you are deflecting the question because you cannot answer it. Hence, you want to avoid it and deflect back to the PMLN and PPP.

The answer to the question:

“why did it take 2 years and a crash for PTI to find out that we have pilots with fake degrees”

Is not:

”why did the other parties let this happen and why did they hire fake pilots”

Let’s assume for the sake of argument that the other parties didn’t care and weren’t bothered about the hiring process of the pilots. So what now?

Would that change the fact that it took 2 years and a crash for PTI to find out that pilots have fake degrees? What took them so long?

They have been harping about PIA reforms from day 1. Even a layman would tell you that if you are reforming an airline, the first thing that you will do is to check the condition of the planes and check the competency of the pilots who are tasked with flying the planes.

It appears that PIA was so busy doing showbaazi over the revenue and the profits that they did not even bother to check the degrees of the pilots until a crash happened.

Once again, you're applying different metrics- the previous Governments of ehich you are a blind supporter get a free pass?

It is apparent that the extent of the issues is huge, due to previous mismanagement. PTI results should be compared over a similar timefame (unless there is objective evidence showing alarming decline i.e. the stuff that Mamoon does not use).

Mamoon,do you understand context? So, why should all of the previous administrations work not factor in anywhere? If we do NOT use context and we apply some bias and blinkering coupled with some Jingoism- you would be spot on for this topic but sadly, once again- a weak and flawed argument
 
Let’s assume that I have blamed the crooks. Now after I am done blaming them, I am asking why it took 2 years and a crash for the new and reformed PIA to find out that the pilots have fake degrees?

This is something very elementary, and probably the very first thing you will check if you are looking to revamp an airline.

In that assumption, you do not look at the gravitas of the situation or what the crooks have done?

If a crook has been in place for x no of years vs 10x, you think the level of damage/damage is the same? LOL
 
Let’s assume that I have blamed the crooks. Now after I am done blaming them, I am asking why it took 2 years and a crash for the new and reformed PIA to find out that the pilots have fake degrees?

This is something very elementary, and probably the very first thing you will check if you are looking to revamp an airline.

Do some research and you will see your statement is rubbish. https://www.brecorder.com/news/568635

Firstly, why dont you call a spade a spade. These guys were appointed under corrupt practices, they have put lives at risk, those people that appointed them are your competent people. Once again without realising you are asking IK to sort the shambles that the mafia left behind. There is no institution in PK that works because its not in the interests of the mafia to make it work. If the PIA worked then the likes of PMLN leader Mushahidullah wouldnt be getting free treatment in London at the PIA's expense.
The PIA has made progress under IK but the problem remains as many of those with fake degrees have stay orders from courts. My solution is to sack all employees of PIA and rehire only those needed and qualified. Its a radical solution and it can only be done now during the CV crisis as demand is low and business is least affected.
 
Very well put [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION].

Mamoon, as we say in London, reminds us of a broken clock in that, a broken clock is right twice a day.

He talks of PTI's 2 years of incompetence with Aviation- it's still 4years and counting for Mamoon's assertion that England would whitewash Pakistan in a test series in England!
 
Once again, you're applying different metrics- the previous Governments of ehich you are a blind supporter get a free pass?

It is apparent that the extent of the issues is huge, due to previous mismanagement. PTI results should be compared over a similar timefame (unless there is objective evidence showing alarming decline i.e. the stuff that Mamoon does not use).

Mamoon,do you understand context? So, why should all of the previous administrations work not factor in anywhere? If we do NOT use context and we apply some bias and blinkering coupled with some Jingoism- you would be spot on for this topic but sadly, once again- a weak and flawed argument

When you are a self-righteous party and do “me me me” for 20+ years, you will be held to a higher standard.

If you want to be judged with the same lens as everyone else, then don’t hype yourself and don’t claim that you are different.

Why is it so hard to understand that if you claim to be different you will be judged differently?

PTI supporters want you to believe that PTI is different from others, but when it comes to judging them, they want the same treatment as others. Sorry, that cannot and should not happen.

Naya Pakistan is still purana Pakistan. It is the greatest scam this country has seen.

If PTI were what they claimed, they wouldn’t have taken 2 years and a crash to check if the pilots had genuine licenses.
 
Do some research and you will see your statement is rubbish. https://www.brecorder.com/news/568635

Firstly, why dont you call a spade a spade. These guys were appointed under corrupt practices, they have put lives at risk, those people that appointed them are your competent people. Once again without realising you are asking IK to sort the shambles that the mafia left behind. There is no institution in PK that works because its not in the interests of the mafia to make it work. If the PIA worked then the likes of PMLN leader Mushahidullah wouldnt be getting free treatment in London at the PIA's expense.
The PIA has made progress under IK but the problem remains as many of those with fake degrees have stay orders from courts. My solution is to sack all employees of PIA and rehire only those needed and qualified. Its a radical solution and it can only be done now during the CV crisis as demand is low and business is least affected.

Please spare me the incoherent rambling. The fact is that PTI took 2 years and a crash to bother about the degrees of the pilots.
 
Very well put [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION].

Mamoon, as we say in London, reminds us of a broken clock in that, a broken clock is right twice a day.

He talks of PTI's 2 years of incompetence with Aviation- it's still 4years and counting for Mamoon's assertion that England would whitewash Pakistan in a test series in England!

PTI and Pakistan cricket team are equally useless and incompetent. Pakistan will lose this summer and PTI will continue to flop and blame others.
 
Please spare me the incoherent rambling. The fact is that PTI took 2 years and a crash to bother about the degrees of the pilots.


So you can't challenge a single fact. Just another humiliation on facts but you must be used to it. Why don't you do some background reading before you post. I am getting tired of educating all day, soon I am going to ask for a fee.
 
A PIA spokesman confirmed to AFP news agency that the probe found about 150 of its 434 pilots had "either bogus or suspicious licences".

"We have decided to ground those 150 pilots with bogus licences with immediate effect," he said.

Some flights may be cancelled as a result, the airline said .

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) said the irregularities found in pilot licences at the airline represent a "serious lapse" in safety controls.

Little known about probe into PIA's pilots
by Ilyas Khan, BBC News, Pakistan


Pakistan's aviation authorities have been probing allegations of PIA pilots' fake qualifications since 2018, but not much is known about it.

Since 1965, PIA has suffered 10 major crashes and several minor incidents. Inquiries have been held but they don't seem to have led to any improvements.

Many say the airline, which once played a major role in the launch of one the top Middle Eastern airlines, Emirates, has subsequently gone down the same path to institutional decay as the rest of the country.

Over the years, both the PIA and the Civil Aviation Authority have come to be dominated by serving or retired officers of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), prompting some to call it the retirement home for the military.

Patronage politics has also led to large-scale recruitments, making it one of the most overstaffed airlines in the world.

In recent years, there have been frequent allegations of drug trafficking and smuggling involving PIA staffers, but in most cases there haven't been visible reprisals.

Many feel a one-off blame on individual error or fake educational degrees will only help to keep the doors shut on transparency and prevent wider exposure of the vested interests that have brought PIA to where it is today.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-53182750
 
Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

Islamabad, Pakistan(CNN) More than 30% of civilian pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses and are not qualified to fly, the country's aviation minister revealed Wednesday.

Addressing Pakistan's National Assembly, Ghulam Sarwar Khan said 262 pilots in the country "did not take the exam themselves" and had paid someone else to sit it on their behalf.

"They don't have flying experience," he said.

Pakistan has 860 active pilots serving its domestic airlines -- including the country's Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flagship -- as well as a number of foreign carriers, Khan said.

PIA has grounded all its pilots who hold fake licenses, effective immediately.

"PIA acknowledges that fake licenses is not just a PIA issue but spread across the entire Pakistani airline industry," spokesperson Abdullah Khan said, adding that some of the fake pilots also fly for foreign carriers.

The results of the investigation were announced Wednesday as part of a preliminary report into a plane crash that killed 97 people in the southern city of Karachi on May 22. The PIA plane crashed after taking off from Lahore, killing all but two of the passengers and crew on board.

Volunteers look for survivors amid the wreckage of a plane crash in Karachi, Pakistan, on Friday, May 22.

Khan did not clarify if the two pilots on flight PK 8303 held fake licenses.

According to the report, the pilots were chatting about the coronavirus and repeatedly ignored warnings from air traffic controllers before the plane went down in a residential area near the airport.

"The pilots were discussing corona throughout the flight. They were not focused. They talked about the coronavirus and how their families were affected," Khan said, adding that the pilots were "overconfident."

According to Khan, the pilots were told three times by air traffic controllers that the plane was too high and they should not attempt to land, "but the captain did not pay any heed to these instructions."

The pilots proceeded with trying to land -- without lowering the landing gear.

"The aircraft touched the runway surface on its engines," the report said. The engines scrubbed the runway, causing sparks and irreparable damage.

The pilots pulled the plane back into the air, but the damaged engines failed and caused the plane to crash, according to the report.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....iness/pakistan-fake-pilot-intl-hnk/index.html
 
Truly lanat on them and their supporters

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan has become laughing stock due to fake degree of PIA pilots. International media has covered this news.<br>Lanat on PPP and PMLN.</p>— Ali Raza (@AliRazaTweets) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliRazaTweets/status/1276220266209849347?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The irony is that that the federal minister of aviation himself has fake degree charges against him.

This 40 percent fake degrees figure should be taken with a pinch of salt. It is disappointing to see PTI ministers playing politics over this.

If what he is saying is true, he should name all these fake degree pilots and bring them on live tv. However, nothing will happen because this is propaganda to malign the previous governments.

PIA pilots are good. Pilot error happens even in the best airlines in the world. In fact, the vast majority of air crashes happen due to pilot errors, since modern aviation is by far the safest mode for travel.

So no praise for the government for being honest about the issue.

What did Noon league or PPP do about this as most of these pilots probably started their tenure over their period..
 
So no praise for the government for being honest about the issue.

What did Noon league or PPP do about this as most of these pilots probably started their tenure over their period..

Why should I praise the government for taking 2 years and a crash to find out that several pilots have fake license?

We have been hearing about PIA reforms, but it appears that these reforms did not include something as basic as verifying competencies of pilots.
 
Let’s hope the legendary Irfan Faiz, veteran of numerous “accidents,” ends up on this list...
 
Why should I praise the government for taking 2 years and a crash to find out that several pilots have fake license?

We have been hearing about PIA reforms, but it appears that these reforms did not include something as basic as verifying competencies of pilots.

I don’t have a bone in the fight so I am not going to be political but shouldn’t the HR department or whoever was in charge of recruitment all these years be blamed?

I mean in a corporate if 1-2 guys have fake credentials they will get fired and people will move on but if every other guy is a fake, then shouldn’t the entire HR team or people in charge of recruitment get fired?
 
I don’t have a bone in the fight so I am not going to be political but shouldn’t the HR department or whoever was in charge of recruitment all these years be blamed?

I mean in a corporate if 1-2 guys have fake credentials they will get fired and people will move on but if every other guy is a fake, then shouldn’t the entire HR team or people in charge of recruitment get fired?

You have to blame those guys but also those who appointed them in the first place.
 
PAF should take over PIA, so we can have same quality in PIA also.

But I must admit, I have always heard that PIA has some of the best pilots in World. Anyways we must thank Allah that it has mostly been safe to fly with PIA.
 
And another thing, now that India are in trouble, why there are many bad newz popping up from Pakistan all of the sudden?
 
Why should I praise the government for taking 2 years and a crash to find out that several pilots have fake license?

We have been hearing about PIA reforms, but it appears that these reforms did not include something as basic as verifying competencies of pilots.

But you're happy with the considerably greater period of 2 years where this was rife.

Excellenr logic!
 
PAF should take over PIA, so we can have same quality in PIA also.

But I must admit, I have always heard that PIA has some of the best pilots in World. Anyways we must thank Allah that it has mostly been safe to fly with PIA.

PAF has already taken over. Current PIA CEO is a PAF warrior who was sleeping for 2 years and didn’t do anything about the fake licenses.

And PIA pilots are excellent. They don’t throw truck drivers into cockpits. Most PIA crashes are down to technical failures.
 
And another thing, now that India are in trouble, why there are many bad newz popping up from Pakistan all of the sudden?

Because India is amazing at marketing propaganda at least when it comes to Pakistan. Fourth gen warfare bro.

Since we got that away, may be because the news was real? How about that?
 
PAF has already taken over. Current PIA CEO is a PAF warrior who was sleeping for 2 years and didn’t do anything about the fake licenses.

And PIA pilots are excellent. They don’t throw truck drivers into cockpits. Most PIA crashes are down to technical failures.

First of all he hasn't been appointed for 2 years. He was appointed in October 2018, so it has been 1 year and 8 months. Off which 5 months his appointment was suspended while it was being challenged in the SC. So essentially he has been at the helm for 1 year and 3 months. In this time PIA achieved a 40% increase in revenue in 2019.


If you are going to rant all day on PP atleast do it using facts.
 
First of all he hasn't been appointed for 2 years. He was appointed in October 2018, so it has been 1 year and 8 months. Off which 5 months his appointment was suspended while it was being challenged in the SC. So essentially he has been at the helm for 1 year and 3 months. In this time PIA achieved a 40% increase in revenue in 2019.


If you are going to rant all day on PP atleast do it using facts.

Even if he was appointed for a week the first thing he should have done as part of the “reforms” was to check the credentials of the pilot.

Even if you take someone from the streets who has no clue about aviation and ask him to reform an airline, he will have enough common sense to know that the two most important things are the maintenance of the planes and the credentials of the pilots who are flying those planes.

But PIA was doing bhangra on the increase in revenue and in ki shokhian khatam nahi horahi thi.

Arshad Malik has been at the helm for 15 months and achieved zilch when it comes to dealing with fake licensed pilots, and he would still be sleeping if this crash didn’t happen.

Sell your Y propaganda to someone who will buy. I have had enough of this nonsense.
 
Even if he was appointed for a week the first thing he should have done as part of the “reforms” was to check the credentials of the pilot.

Even if you take someone from the streets who has no clue about aviation and ask him to reform an airline, he will have enough common sense to know that the two most important things are the maintenance of the planes and the credentials of the pilots who are flying those planes.

But PIA was doing bhangra on the increase in revenue and in ki shokhian khatam nahi horahi thi.

Arshad Malik has been at the helm for 15 months and achieved zilch when it comes to dealing with fake licensed pilots, and he would still be sleeping if this crash didn’t happen.

Sell your Y propaganda to someone who will buy. I have had enough of this nonsense.

Reforming an airlines doesnt mean checking degrees of each pilot!

When you take over a hospital as an admin, you dont go around checking their degrees!
 
Reforming an airlines doesnt mean checking degrees of each pilot!

When you take over a hospital as an admin, you dont go around checking their degrees!

That’s the first thing you do or should be doing. The most important factors in a hospital are the credentials of the doctors and the availability of equipment. Without these two, a hospital is useless.

If you have spent 15 months talking about airline reforms, how come you forgot to check the credentials of the pilots, something that should have been done immediately?
 
That’s the first thing you do or should be doing. The most important factors in a hospital are the credentials of the doctors and the availability of equipment. Without these two, a hospital is useless.

If you have spent 15 months talking about airline reforms, how come you forgot to check the credentials of the pilots, something that should have been done immediately?

As always you are confused. I gave you a link to the suspensions but the courts gave them stay orders, the link gave you all the things they have tried. At no point have you acknowledged the criminals that appointed came from the parties you support. Your points are a beyond a joke.
 
That’s the first thing you do or should be doing. The most important factors in a hospital are the credentials of the doctors and the availability of equipment. Without these two, a hospital is useless.

If you have spent 15 months talking about airline reforms, how come you forgot to check the credentials of the pilots, something that should have been done immediately?

Why did the airline need reform after a decade under competent people? Should you not be angry with IK for destroying a working institution under the Nooras lol
 
Why have they been in the piloting in the first place? I know they might be political appointees of the PPPP but still that is no excuse.

Also, how come they have not been kicked out immediately? I am pretty sure the pilots won’t be fired. This country is a joke!
 
As always you are confused. I gave you a link to the suspensions but the courts gave them stay orders, the link gave you all the things they have tried. At no point have you acknowledged the criminals that appointed came from the parties you support. Your points are a beyond a joke.

Feeding the troll, you are (in yoda's voice)
 
Why have they been in the piloting in the first place? I know they might be political appointees of the PPPP but still that is no excuse.

Also, how come they have not been kicked out immediately? I am pretty sure the pilots won’t be fired. This country is a joke!

The courts gave them stay orders.
 
flying planes with fake piliots, lolzz can only happen in pakistan, or shall i say in civilian ruled pakistan.

Where are the army bashers, this country can only be ruled by the army properly.
 
PIA is a perfect mirror of how all of Pakistan's institutions have been ruined. Honestly Pakistan needs to get out of this socialist idea of state run enterprises and let the private sector handle things with strict regulators. As long as PIA is run by the government it will continue to make gaffe's like this one.

And seriously, 150 pilots with dubious certifications??? Pia is a small airline I can't imagine it having more than a thousand pilots so that means 15-20% pilots have fake credentials.... And it took another catastrophe to highlight this issue? Politics aside is anyone in Pakistan questioning the way things are run? The victims could've been anyone of us or our family members...

This is exactly what Pakistan needs to do. However its easier said then done. These state employees will file lawsuits when you try to lay them off. Not only the people will fake degrees, you have people who were caught selling drugs, stealing, who cant get fired because of lawsuits.

They can also riot. Thats what happened when Nawaz Sharif was thinking about privatization. And they have support of opposition parties. Who will try to score political points when they are in the opposition, even though they supported the privatization when they were in power.

Best way is to sell the Roosevelt Hotel, give the employees of a PIA a golden handshake, pay of the debt, and then privatize the airline. For the routes which are not profitable that the goverment needs to run, you can give the private airlines a subsidy.
 
flying planes with fake piliots, lolzz can only happen in pakistan, or shall i say in civilian ruled pakistan.

Where are the army bashers, this country can only be ruled by the army properly.

Even Army cant get rid of these employees. They will file a lawsuit in court, and drag the process out. Only solution is privatization. To do that you need to pay the employees to leave via a golden handshake.
 
I don’t have a bone in the fight so I am not going to be political but shouldn’t the HR department or whoever was in charge of recruitment all these years be blamed?

I mean in a corporate if 1-2 guys have fake credentials they will get fired and people will move on but if every other guy is a fake, then shouldn’t the entire HR team or people in charge of recruitment get fired?

They were hired because of politicians needing to reward their supporters with a job. HR staff wont risk there job for people who have backing of politicians. Otherwise they would be the ones fired.
 
Even Army cant get rid of these employees. They will file a lawsuit in court, and drag the process out. Only solution is privatization. To do that you need to pay the employees to leave via a golden handshake.

Privatization is a terrible practise, that has no benefits to the economy or state,

What needs to happen is that politicians need to stop interfering in state enterprises, let the board run the company internally and have competent managers, this is what china does with its state owned enterprises.
 
Privatization is a terrible practise, that has no benefits to the economy or state,

What needs to happen is that politicians need to stop interfering in state enterprises, let the board run the company internally and have competent managers, this is what china does with its state owned enterprises.

China is a dictatorship. Same way gulf arab dictatorships can also run state run enterprises. They dont have unions, who can threaten riots. Nor do they have any qualms about laying off people if necessary.

in a democracy politicians will never stop interfering. If you have an independent board will they be allowed to fire employees? Will they be allowed to cut salary? I dont think that's possible. To much political cost.

A private company can lay off thousands of employees, since they are answerable to their shareholders.

If you want the state to benefit from a company, its management needs to be private and the state can have a percentage of shares. A public private partnership.
 
China is a dictatorship. Same way gulf arab dictatorships can also run state run enterprises. They dont have unions, who can threaten riots. Nor do they have any qualms about laying off people if necessary.

in a democracy politicians will never stop interfering. If you have an independent board will they be allowed to fire employees? Will they be allowed to cut salary? I dont think that's possible. To much political cost.

A private company can lay off thousands of employees, since they are answerable to their shareholders.

If you want the state to benefit from a company, its management needs to be private and the state can have a percentage of shares. A public private partnership.

a public company run in a democracy will be no different to a private company.

unions will stay, employees will have rights, an independant board works in the same way for private or public companies, the cost and salary will still be determined by the free market.

by privatization, your just selling your assets to foriegners who will suck out the money from the country.
 
a public company run in a democracy will be no different to a private company.

unions will stay, employees will have rights, an independant board works in the same way for private or public companies, the cost and salary will still be determined by the free market.

by privatization, your just selling your assets to foriegners who will suck out the money from the country.

1- It doesn't have to be foreigners. A rich Pakistani can buy the company.

2 - Workers rights can be protected by the government. Thats what the goverment is best at, being a regulator. For example the goverment can set a minimum wage, safety standards, regulations to protect against discrimination.

Unions are the problem. Look at PIA, they are a mafia. Its hard to get rid of people with fake degrees, people who sell drugs, people caught stealing.

3 - A private company is run for profit. Not out of the goodness of someone's heart. Will a public company be run to make a profit? So thats a big difference right there.
 
Seems India confronted this problem at a much larger scale in 2011 (or so it seems)

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New Delhi: Just a few days after Parminder Kaur Gulati, a suspended pilot of Indigo airline, was arrested on charges of faking her marksheet to get a pilot licence, another arrest on the same grounds has been made. This time around, Captain J K Verma, a pilot of the national carrier Air India has been arrested.

"We have arrested Verma. Investigations are on. We have been provided more names by the Directorate General Civil Aviation (DGCA). The scanner is on two more pilots - Meenakshi Sehgal of Indigo and Swaran Singh Talwar of MDLR," a senior police official said.

It all began after Parminder Kaur Gulati was grounded two months ago for violating landing norms. The matter was then reported to the aviation watchdog, the DGCA. The airline watchdog admits there was a lapse, but says 4000 pilot licences are now under fresh scrutiny.

"In the wake of the fake pilot scare, licenses of 3,000 to 4,000 pilots are being scrutinised by the DGCA," said Civil Aviation secretary Nasim Zaidi.

To get a licence, a pilot has to clear three subjects. But in Gulati's case, a probe by the DGCA showed she couldn't clear two papers, so she allegedly forged the marksheets.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-may-have-4000-fake-pilots-449891
 
• Airline seeks list of such aviators from regulator
• Palpa calls for accountability of flag carrier management
• IATA expresses concern over reported licensing lapse

RAWALPINDI: The credibility of the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has taken a massive hit after the International Air Transport Association (IATA) on Thursday expressed concern over the ‘serious lapse in the licensing and safety oversight by the aviation regulator’.

Amid the aviation crisis, the PIA management decided to ground 150 (one-third of its) pilots and started relieving them from flight rosters for allegedly possessing ‘dubious licences’, while asking the CAA to urgently provide the list of all those PIA pilots who allegedly had fake/suspicious commercial pilot licences.

The controversy drew global attention after the federal Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan in the National Assembly declared that 150 pilots of the national flag carrier had fake licences.

Sources said the PIA management had not officially received the list of those pilots having ‘dubious licences’ from the CAA, but decided not to allow such pilots to operate flights and initiated departmental action against them. A show-cause notice had been earlier sent to the general secretary of Pakistan Airlines Pilots Association (Palpa) for allegedly instigating pilots to go on strike.

PIA spokesman Abdullah Hafeez told Dawn that it had already been announced that about 150 pilots would be grounded. Despite the number of such pilots and its adverse impact on PIA’s flight operations, all of them would be indefinitely grounded pending outcome of inquiries against them, constituted by the government of Pakistan, he said.

PIA Chief Executive Officer Air Marshal Arshad Malik on Thursday wrote another letter to the director general of the Civil Aviation Authority and a letter to the aviation division secretary asking them to urgently provide the list of all those PIA pilots having fake/suspicious licences.

Air Marshal Malik said the provision of lists of commercial pilots having fake or suspicious licences would enable the management to issue instruction for immediate action within rules and regulations in vogue.

Palpa seeks management accountability
The show-cause notice issued to Palpa General Secretary Imran K. Narejo said: “You are called upon to show cause within seven days of receipt of this notice as to why disciplinary action in accordance with the company rules should not be taken against you.”

The Palpa general secretary has been directed to submit reply to the show-cause notice by June 30.

While welcoming the actions being taken against recruitment in PIA on bogus and fake degrees, Palpa demanded that the same criteria must also be applied to the management positions whereby officers were recruited with fake or irrelevant degrees having no experience of commercial aviation.

Spokesperson of Palpa said the association demanded across the board action and that scrutiny must be done against all those who were recruited using unfair means on key management posts.

The spokesperson said this would end the nepotism culture and help in the development of the airline. This is a welcome development but show-cause notices should also be issued to officers holding administrative posts who do not meet the criteria for their posts.

Notices termed vindictive
He said the campaign against pilots for fake degrees and flying licences was actually undertaken to victimise those having disagreement with incumbent management most of which did not have relevant commercial aviation experience.

Furthermore the recent show cause notices were not only vindictive but also baseless; a pilot was issued a show cause notice for posting comments on Facebook.

“This unprofessional and victimising attitude shows the mindset of current management which is bent upon creating an environment of fear,” he said, adding that this attitude was often referred as a cause behind mental fatigue for operating cockpit crew in the international aviation industry.

He said measures should not create an environment indicating that the management was taking unilateral and unjustified steps. Instead the government must play its part in eliminating the causes of PIA’s demise and employees’ frustration, he added.

Similarly, such actions should also be taken against the officers who were involved in financial irregularities and corruption in PIA.

“Despite the airline’s dilapidated financial condition, some officers are receiving unjustified, illegal increases in form of double salaries and allowances and we demand steps should also be taken against them,” he added.

Moreover, the management should serve show-cause notice to those who made fraudulent deals and contracts which were damaging the airline.

He said the aviation minister’s claim had put the PIA and CAA credibility at stake, as the vibes from international media had made the national flag carrier a laughing stock. “Comments in international media regarding PIA having fake licence holder pilots are not only shameful for the airline but for the country as well,” he added.

He said the letter sent to CAA DG by the PIA CEO seeking details and lists of those 150 pilots mentioned by the minister in the assembly was evidence that the whole narrative was not only baseless but also causing severe repercussions for the airline’s credibility worldwide.

He said a pilot’s licence was not like car driving licence, which could be forged easily without being counter-checked.

The only issuing authority for a pilot’s licence was the CCA and no other organisation had any control or say in the process, he said. All prospective employees must obtain these licences from the CAA before being considered, which were issued under the authority of director general with a validity of six months only, he added.

“It is a serious allegation that around 150 PIA pilots have been flying aircrafts with fake/invalid licences which is apparently a big question mark on the CAA and PIA, both of which are being run by persons on deputation from other government entities, having no knowledge or experience of Civil Aviation,” said the spokesman.

“This shows the seriousness of the government towards flight and passenger safety,” he added.

He appealed to the government to not sweep the issue under the carpet by taking action only against the persons holding fake degrees or licenses and also hold accountable their facilitators.

Meanwhile, the IATA said irregularities found in pilot licences at PIA represented a “serious lapse” in safety controls, adds Reuters.

“We are following reports from Pakistan regarding fake pilot licences, which are concerning and represent a serious lapse in the licensing and safety oversight by the aviation regulator,” an IATA spokesman said, adding that the organisation was seeking more information.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1565262/credibility-crisis-hits-pia-caa-over-dubious-licences-of-pilots
 
The issue at hand

1. 150 pilots have obtained licenses through ways that aren't legal, how many deaths are they responsible for?
2. How did they manage to get these licenses?
3. Who hired them? Who helped them to continue their careers?
4. How many other such postings have been made in the organization?
5. What will be done with those and how soon they will be identified and released from their work?

90+ people died in the latest calamity and could easily have been more because the plane literally crashed in an inhabited colony.

Political hirings are a thing in Pakistan and I believe that's the issue here. These hirings have ruined many state organizations to ground and continue to put incompetent people at places they do not belong ruining the chance for talented individuals to acquire these jobs. T

The poster above continues to clamor that past governments have been competent, so anytime a piece of news comes up that displays the sheer scale of ineptitude, they'd deflect the issue to make it something else. The claim that previous governments never claimed to end corruption is just laughable. Every Zardaari or Nawaz hakoomat has come with slogans like, "khushaali", "corruption ka khaatma", "main choroun ko sarkoun par ghaseetoun ga", etc. etc. Takes a minute to google old election articles to find the slogans of these people and how they came in power.

Sometimes you need tragic calamities to start getting the house in order.

Anyone with a shred of honesty would not be complaining about this action here. To all the people who lost their lives in the event, may they be in a better place now (Ameen)
 
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I won't be surprised if the actual numbers are in few hundreds or even a thousand rather than 150 fake degrees as in Pak it seems like every second person is flogging one around.
 
This thread isnt for general chest-beating about PTI etc - stick to the topic.
 
The responsibility for this fiasco rests squarely with the PPP and PML-N. They destroyed all state institutions especially PIA with their political appointments.

However, this should've definitely been handled privately and not publicized like it has been. This will hurt PIA even more.
 
Whether the government should have publicized this and caused irreparable damage to PIA is a valid point of discussion for this thread.

This matter should have been dealt with privately.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dubious Pilots Licenses do not pertain to PIA alone. Let it be on record, these licenses were issued by the competent authority and are valid as per their records. It's the process & discrepancies through which they were obtained, triggered the inquiry by GoP & action.</p>— PIA (@Official_PIA) <a href="https://twitter.com/Official_PIA/status/1276253116510461958?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Looks like PIA have realized the destruction the irresponsible statement of the aviation minister will cause and are now trying to limit the damage.

We really our masters of scoring own goals.
 
Whether the government should have publicized this and caused irreparable damage to PIA is a valid point of discussion for this thread.

This matter should have been dealt with privately.

Yesterday, why hasn't IK done something about the fake licences, not who the hell hired these crooks, today, why has IK publicised it, and in your confused state, and tomorrow, who knows. In your confused state,
 
Looks like PIA have realized the destruction the irresponsible statement of the aviation minister will cause and are now trying to limit the damage.

We really our masters of scoring own goals.

Just like they did with PSM another great success of the Nooras and PPP , IK needs to bite the bullet, sack all the workers and rehire. There should only be 6000 workers at the PIA.
 
Through thick and thin one can surely see positive impact of Imran Khan.

Tremendous job IK government for digging through this corruption and exposing them. Keep on going, and keep exposing one industry after another, it's a long route but you are on the right path. Such things were supported by past governments hence the sorry state all along.

And lovely to see some sorry people really struggling to cope with this news. You can see their deep down frustration and cries in this thread :)
 
Through thick and thin one can surely see positive impact of Imran Khan.

Tremendous job IK government for digging through this corruption and exposing them. Keep on going, and keep exposing one industry after another, it's a long route but you are on the right path. Such things were supported by past governments hence the sorry state all along.

And lovely to see some sorry people really struggling to cope with this news. You can see their deep down frustration and cries in this thread :)

The more people scream against him tells us that status quo is under threat - hence the chest beating
 
ISLAMABAD: Chief Justice Gulzar Ahmed expressed astonishment over the preliminary investigation report of the PIA plane crash, saying in his remarks that it seems as if pilots are flying "propelled missiles that can blow up anytime, anywhere".

Heading a five-member larger bench that was hearing a suo motu case on combating the COVID-19 on Thursday, Justice Gulzar also took notice of reports about pilots with fake degrees and fake licenses issued by Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) flying planes in airlines.

The chief justice summoned the chief executive officer (CEO) of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) as well as the relevant officials of the CAA on the next date of hearing to provide clarification on the matter.

“It is the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) which issued fake degrees and licenses to pilots,” Justice Gulzar remarked. The court summoned Director General Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) to appear before it in person on the next date of the hearing and to explain as to why the authority was issuing licenses to pilots.

The DG CAA will be asked to explain how such pilots were employed by airlines in Pakistan, who are playing havoc with the lives of people and which is a serious offence to the law.

The court directed the CAA to submit within two weeks a comprehensive report through the Attorney General's office. The court also summoned chief executive officers (CEOs) of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), Air Blue and others, asking them to submit detailed reports regarding pilots, their educational qualifications and licenses' verification by the CAA and other airlines.

The court raised questions over the preliminary report submitted by the government regarding PIA flight PK8303 Airbus A320-214 that crashed near Karachi airport on May 22, 2020, killing 97 passengers on board. The chief justice observed that the worthy minister for aviation on the floor of the house held responsible the pilot of the plane as well as the CAA

SC expresses dissatisfaction over NDMA report
The court also expressed dissatisfaction with the report submitted by the National Disaster Management Authority with the observation that the authority was spending money left, right and centre.

"We don’t know as to whether there is any mechanism available for monitoring the work of NDMA with particular reference to import of medicines,” the chief justice remarked while Justice Ijazul Ahsen, another member of the bench, asked the attorney general as to whether the medicines being imported were provided to the public sector hospitals.

The AG replied that these drugs were provided for patients in critical condition, but not for prevention. The AG further added that the NDMA has been established under the National Disaster Management Act.

The court asked the AG as to how NDMA is charting a plane of a private company AL-Hafeez for airlifting equipment machinery from abroad for manufacturing N-95 masks. The AG, however, replied that the NDMA had only facilitated the company in importing the said machinery, adding that the company had paid customs duty as well as tax and the government has nothing to do with it except for facilitating it.

He added that the government is facilitating anybody willing to import the said machinery. “But you have facilitated only one company and further, did you advertise in the papers regarding the provision of support in this regard?,” the CJ asked the AG.

The AG replied that the government had convened a meeting where 28 companies came and asked for facilitation. “But you should have given an advertisement in this regard in order to maintain transparency,” Justice Ijazul Ahsen asked the AG. “Whosoever is the owner of the company might have become a billionaire,” the CJP remarked, adding that the pandemic has turned people into billionaires overnight.

"Our fate will certainly change if you are facilitating the people and not a single person is left unemployed,” the CJ remarked, adding that there is unemployment and the NDMA was not facilitating people. “There must be assurances on your part that complete transparency is observed in the process and nobody is given any tax exemption by importing this machinery,” Justice Ijazul Ahsen asked AG.

The chief justice asked the AG as to whether there is any plan available with the government for facilitating Pakistanis returning to the country. He asked the attorney general regarding the estimated 50,000-100,000 people coming back because of the pandemic and how the NDMA intended to engage them.

"There are millions of students graduating from universities with high degrees and PhDs, what would you do with them,” Justice Gulzar asked adding that is there any business policy for the future and any vision and whether there is any consensus on the part of the Parliament as well.

“You are giving statements on TV, but statements cannot feed the people and they need health facilities, education, clean drinking water,” the CJ remarked. “Your prime minister is declaring a chief minister of a province a dictator; so how will you explain that there is no writ of the PM in that province,” the CJ asked. "There are crises of sugar, wheat and medical [issues], but nobody is here to solve problems being faced by people,” the CJ continued.

CJP on expensive medicines and loadshedding
Justice Qazi Muhammad Amin, another member of the bench, asked the AG as to whether the government has any remedy to bring down the prices of drugs. Even Dettol is not available in the market, asking the Advocate General Punjab, who was on video-link from Lahore, as to whether he can arrange one bottle of Dettol? Attorney General Khalid Javed, however, submitted before the court that the government is undertaking efforts to take strict action against those persons responsible for high prices of medicines in accordance with the law.

"The government is not going to surrender before those firms and companies,” the AG added.

During the hearing, the CJ noticed with great concern that since the lockdown, there had been severe loadshedding despite offices, educational institutions and other places remain closed due to the pandemic outbreak.

"When there is no load on the grid stations, then why is load-shedding [taking place]," asked Justice Gulzar, adding that in a country where you do not provide electricity, employment, education and adequate health facilities, how people can then abide by the government's orders.

The chief justice noted that in Raza Abad, an area of Faisalabad, sewage overflowed flooded the whole of the city. Justice Qazi Amin, another member of the bench, asked as to whether there is any government or chief minister in Punjab? The CJ said that people had great hopes; that’s why they brought in a change, but they received nothing.

“Now decide what to do as we cannot tolerate further deprivation of people as they are entitled to have all basic facilities as provided to them by the Constitution,” the CJ asked the attorney general. “Give us the plan as the pandemic is going on in the country,” the CJ continued. However, Attorney General Khalid Javed said that a draft for the legislation had been prepared as per the direction of the court.

CJP slams Sindh govt for spending billions on luxury cars
During the hearing, the chief justice noted that the government of Sindh had allocated in the budget Rs4 billion for importing luxury vehicles for government functionaries. “People have no money to buy two-time food, while the provincial government was importing 40 double-cabin vehicles”, adding that each vehicle is worth one crore 68 lakh rupees.

He added that there was no money for giving salaries to the sanitary workers in Hyderabad, while billions of rupees were being spent for importing luxury vehicles for the government functionaries. "This money should be deposited with the Supreme Court and we will decide how to utilise it for the benefit of people,” the CJ remarked.

During the hearing, the CJ asked Advocate Generals for Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan as well as Gilgit-Baltistan whether they allocated any money in the budget 2020-21 for import of luxury cars, to which they replied in the negative.

Meanwhile, the court in its order noted that there was no justification for importing luxury vehicles by the Sindh government and to allocate Rs4 billion for such purpose and noted that the money should be utilised for provision of water, health and medical facilities. The court restrained the Sindh government from importing the luxury vehicles for the government functionaries and the allocation of such amount in the budget 2020-21.

The court also directed the National Disaster Management Authority to file a complete report within two weeks regarding the import of medicines and machinery through a company Al-Hafeez for manufacturing N-95 masks in the country.

“We do not know the machinery imported by the said company through the facilitation of the government has paid any tax or customs duty or not, and whether the facilitation of import of such machinery was openly advertised by providing an opportunity to other businessmen,” the CJ noted in his order, adding that the same is not done by the NDMA.

The bench said that it seemed as if the company had been favoured by the NDMA for import of machinery for manufacturing N-95 masks; therefore, the NDMA should provide details of the purchase of masks from this company and the money to the company paid so far besides details pertaining to the taxes, paid by the company should also be filed," said the bench.

Later, the court adjourned the hearing for two weeks.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/294886-sc-expresses-concerns-over-pilots-fake-licenses-summons-dg-caa
 
Do some research and you will see your statement is rubbish. https://www.brecorder.com/news/568635

Firstly, why dont you call a spade a spade. These guys were appointed under corrupt practices, they have put lives at risk, those people that appointed them are your competent people. Once again without realising you are asking IK to sort the shambles that the mafia left behind. There is no institution in PK that works because its not in the interests of the mafia to make it work. If the PIA worked then the likes of PMLN leader Mushahidullah wouldnt be getting free treatment in London at the PIA's expense.
The PIA has made progress under IK but the problem remains as many of those with fake degrees have stay orders from courts. My solution is to sack all employees of PIA and rehire only those needed and qualified. Its a radical solution and it can only be done now during the CV crisis as demand is low and business is least affected.

This is an excellent solution. Now is the window to do this. Well said bro.
 
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