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Do Pakistan deserve to be in semi-finals of the ICC World Cup 2019?

Do Pakistan deserve to be in semi-finals of the ICC World Cup 2019?

  • Yes, they deserve to be in the final 4 teams

    Votes: 16 40.0%

  • No, they do not deserve a place in the semi-finals

    Votes: 24 60.0%
  • Total voters
    40
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Is Pakistan's World Cup 2019 dream over?

I think this is Bye Bye Pakistan team - Sarfaraz and Co. From the World Cup.

They played OKAY. Horrible vs WI, India and Aus. The WI game will haunt us forever.

Overall, given our domestic system, poor selection, fitness, etc. We did decent.

However there are still way too many chinks in our armour...
Negatives:
- Starting with Sarfarazs lazy captaincy and uninspiring batting
- and Hafeez and Malik - the less said the better. - -
-Then who can forget our pathetic catching.
- Hassan Ali
- Fakhar and Imam duo

Positives:
- Babar, Harris, and Amir
-Hope of seeing some new faces in the middle order replacing Hafeez and Malik.

Personally I'd love to see Mickey continue as I don't see anybody better than him for the coaching position. The local ex cricketers are toxic and should be kept away Esp Mohsin Khan
 
Yes, England just too dominant batting first on flat pitches.

Pakistan are currently -0. 7 and NZ are +0.5. So, both the margins need to be big enough. Unlikely.

Finals will be:-

Australia vs England/India
 
Considering our horrendous form coming into the World Cup, I think we have overachieved by still being in the minor hunt to qualify for SF, with one game remaining.
 
If Pakistan finish 5th, that's better than their pre WC ranking of 6 isn't it? So it's been a successful WC in that respect.


Like Bangladesh they've been one of the improvers.
 
Proud of the team.

Many were expecting us to finish bottom of the table with no wins since we lost 13 consecutive ODIs.

Yet we managed to remain in contention for the Semis until the last group games.

Several players need to be removed from the team and look towards the next WC including Hafeez, Malik, Wahab and Sarfraz.
 
Truth of the matter is, we chased down NZ and Afghanistan on the last over. Both horrible performances
 
Good comeback after the loss to India but we should’ve performed better in the start.

After this WC, please drop Sarfraz and give Babar the captaincy.
 
shazia9000 said:
Truth of the matter is, we chased down NZ and Afghanistan on the last over. Both horrible performances
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Many teams won close matches. Afghan was bad performance but NZ was calculated one as they did not wanted to risk batting collapse. Net Run rate could have been better had we won easier both games.
 
shazia9000 said:
Truth of the matter is, we chased down NZ and Afghanistan on the last over. Both horrible performances
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NZ barely beat West Indies/South Africa and didn't have to play India. Luck goes both ways.
 
After WI game, we were always behind the 8 ball. Moral of the story is, do it yourself and don't rely on others. And yes, Sarfraz, Hafeez and Malik should be the first to be booted out.
 
shazia9000 said:
Truth of the matter is, we chased down NZ and Afghanistan on the last over. Both horrible performances
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No actually the NZ win was exceptional, you have no idea about cricket if you categorise it that way. That was difficult batting on used wickets against spinners that were turning it square. Toss was crucial in both games so actually they were brilliant wins given the conditions.

However Pakistan did better than I expected. Probably 5th place about right.
 
Despite Pakistan’s mercurial tag, unpredictability and ”stepping up in big tournaments”, we shouldn’t complain if we don’t qualify since we’re ranked 6th in ODIs and came into this WC with our biggest losing streak, although qualifying to the semis would be nice.

Let’s focus on the future, we need changes in the team!
 
Don't be disheartens. Eng will lose, even they make 500. NZ is not gonna let them get away. I think the margin of RR is 440, which is impossible. So, NZ will do it for us
 
This whole net run rate is absolute nonsense. Why should it be decided by the net run rate? If New Zealand lose against England and we beat Bangladesh, both teams will finish on 11 points, yet NZ will go through due to their superior run rate. That is absolute nonsense. It should be decided by head to head and not by net run rate. We beat NZ, so we should go through instead if both teams are level on points.
 
shazia9000 said:
Truth of the matter is, we chased down NZ and Afghanistan on the last over. Both horrible performances
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We should have comprehensively beaten Afghans.NZ is a not a weak team besides the pitch was very tricky.It was like a fifth day test wicket.
 
The_KING said:
This whole net run rate is absolute nonsense. Why should it be decided by the net run rate? If New Zealand lose against England and we beat Bangladesh, both teams will finish on 11 points, yet NZ will go through due to their superior run rate. That is absolute nonsense. It should be decided by head to head and not by net run rate. We beat NZ, so we should go through instead if both teams are level on points.
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NRR is just a way of judging the overall performance of a team. Unfortunately, Pakistan were battered in the first game and NZ have been much better (overall).
 
NRR is where captains are tested... Having an off game against westindies was bad, but thats not an issue, they had eight more games to get it right... In my POV Sarfaraz is not smart enough to lead a modern one day side, he should have all these calculations sorted in his head before game one, thats where i think with an ordinary performance in the world cup, KW played it absolutely spot on and rightly deserve to go ahead into last four, u can call it lucky or whatever but he's outdone Sarfaraz here with a very big Margin
 
The_KING said:
This whole net run rate is absolute nonsense. Why should it be decided by the net run rate? If New Zealand lose against England and we beat Bangladesh, both teams will finish on 11 points, yet NZ will go through due to their superior run rate. That is absolute nonsense. It should be decided by head to head and not by net run rate. We beat NZ, so we should go through instead if both teams are level on points.
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Agree. The problem is when 3 teams are on same points and each has won a game over the other. What do you do then? That's why the first criteria is no. Of wins, then NRR, then Head to Head. I wish head to head was prioritized over NRR but the three team scenario would have made it complicated.
 
Time to book the next flight home.

This WC was lost when we played the short ball like pansies v WI.
 
Only thing that will relieve my heart now is if they throw half of the players out.
 
Pk had an ok WC. Beat 3 high ranked sides. Lost to India. Few talented youngsters. Need to improve chasing game.
 
Kiwis can chase this if they get a good start . England still prone to collapse under pressure.
 
Good comeback by Kiwis in the last 20 overs.

If Guptill/Taylor can finally regain some form, NZ can do it.
 
Did Dhoni had NRR in mind in this WC?. He never played any risky shot in any of the matches. His approach was to occupy crease and play 50 overs in all matches regardless of the situation. I feel sorry for Pak fans. Pak vs SL was washed out and were blown away by WI on their best day in the tournament. I also feel that Pak didn't made any genuine effort to improve their NRR in matches vs NZ and Afghanistan. Especially the match vs Afg, they unnecessary made it to a last over thriller which should have been a easy chase in <40 overs for any professional team.
 
rhony said:
Agree. The problem is when 3 teams are on same points and each has won a game over the other. What do you do then? That's why the first criteria is no. Of wins, then NRR, then Head to Head. I wish head to head was prioritized over NRR but the three team scenario would have made it complicated.
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In that situation where three teams are level on points, then NRR should be used. However, when only two teams are level on points, the head to head should be used.
 
The_KING said:
In that situation where three teams are level on points, then NRR should be used. However, when only two teams are level on points, the head to head should be used.
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That's ambiguous. Rules are made so there are very few exceptions if any. That's why NRR is set as a criteria above head to head. I don't like it but there's logic behind it
 
The_KING said:
In that situation where three teams are level on points, then NRR should be used. However, when only two teams are level on points, the head to head should be used.
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Desperate cry by fans dont change rules that are set in advance.
 
Have only themselves to blame. Took SA and AFG team till last overs.
 
I reserve my comments till this match is over.

I will always believe in the cornered tigers being one myself
 
Sarfraz is the main culprit.Any decent captain would have won the match by 100 runs, with NZ we could have won by 42 overs, with Afghanistan we could beat them around 403 overs if the Fakhar didn't gift his wickets, with England we could have won by 60-70 runs (we let 2 of their batsmen to score 100), we gift the match to Australia thank again to Fakhar and Hafeez. Also even if we lost to WI we could play defensively and score 200 runs. Our NRR and points would be enough to qualify for semi with 1 match to go.
All our players were in picnic mood at the beginning and they wake up but didn't push hard to increase NRR. We don't deserve to go semi with this spiritless team. Apart from 3-4 players all the players need to be disposed.
 
No. Pakistan will defeat Bangladesh by 450 runs and qualify. Kyu ki 1992 me bhi ... :ma
 
Pakistan never had a realistic chance of winning the world cup. Playing a semi-final was the most that could have been expected from them.

In the end, it was overall a good world cup for Pakistan.
 
Fat lady has already sung. Its only because BD and AFG didn’t play in 1992. They jinxed it for us :))
 
The_Odd_One said:
Pakistan never had a realistic chance of winning the world cup. Playing a semi-final was the most that could have been expected from them.

In the end, it was overall a good world cup for Pakistan.
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You don’t understand Pakistan team at all. Had we reached semifinals, no one, I repeat NO ONE could stop us.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Pakistan never had a realistic chance of winning the world cup. Playing a semi-final was the most that could have been expected from them.

In the end, it was overall a good world cup for Pakistan.
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You can say that for anyone who got the 4th spot.

Australia, India and England are a cut above the rest, barring England's random brainfades.
 
Tbh nz doesn't deserve to be in the semis. They are a joke team. They haven't beaten even one worthy team in this entire tournament.
 
iRfaN_LA said:
You don’t understand Pakistan team at all. Had we reached semifinals, no one, I repeat NO ONE could stop us.
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Agree but we dont deserve it even if finishing level on points with NZ.

For me the simple selection of Malik ruined Pakistan. The managment, coach and captain knew his form was poor and also his state of mind after returning home for personal reasons yet they chose him because he is a senior, friend etc.

When you play sport you select the best players in form or you deserve what you get when you lose.
 
Muddaser said:
Proud of the team.

Many were expecting us to finish bottom of the table with no wins since we lost 13 consecutive ODIs.

Yet we managed to remain in contention for the Semis until the last group games.

Several players need to be removed from the team and look towards the next WC including Hafeez, Malik, Wahab and Sarfraz.
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tbf wahab was brilliant so far.
 
iRfaN_LA said:
You don’t understand Pakistan team at all. Had we reached semifinals, no one, I repeat NO ONE could stop us.
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1996 - lost QF to India
1999 - lost Final to Australia
2011- lost SF to India
2015 - lost QF to Australia

Yeah right, no team could stop Pakistan in 2019.
 
manofsteel said:
Tbh nz doesn't deserve to be in the semis. They are a joke team. They haven't beaten even one worthy team in this entire tournament.
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Did Pakistan deserve to win in 92? How did they reach the semis?
 
Sad life:(

That Australia game will forever be a regret, more than the West Indies game. We had that Australia game in our hands and we threw it away.

Still pleasantly surprised by the comeback though, I had become pretty pessimistic after the India game.

Excited to see the team we can build for 2023.
 
Looks like it. Better luck next time Pakistan. You guys surely are more deserving than New Zealand. Only if you put up more fight against West Indies!
 
Chances are slim to nothing but the question needs to be asked.

Does this team deserve to be in the semi-final with the sort of performances it had put in at crucial times?
 
Usman Chadda said:
You can say that for anyone who got the 4th spot.

Australia, India and England are a cut above the rest, barring England's random brainfades.
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Key here. Rest are much of a sameness. Pk had an ok WC. Beating 3 higher ranks sides.
 
Keeping asides who deserves itna not, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who do you think would be a bigger threat in the semi? Pakistan or NZ?

I personally feel for NZ there is a limit to their performance whereas while Pakistan has many flaws and are inconsistent their upswing is higher making them a bigger threat for a one off game
 
If they get into the top 4 yes, otherwise no.

Pak fans should respect the outcome, congratulate Eng and NZ and move on to something else.

I wont even bother watching the Bangaldesh game, dead rubber and damp squib.
 
aloo paratha said:
Sad life:(

That Australia game will forever be a regret, more than the West Indies game. We had that Australia game in our hands and we threw it away.

Still pleasantly surprised by the comeback though, I had become pretty pessimistic after the India game.

Excited to see the team we can build for 2023.
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Long road to 2023. Missed a golden opportunity.
 
bujhee kom said:
Key here. Rest are much of a sameness. Pk had an ok WC. Beating 3 higher ranks sides.
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I would dare to say Pakistan would be a much better opponent to Aus than NZ and actually in their current form would be a handful for Aus, Eng and Ind.
 
Hard luck Pakistan.

Hope this helps you in the long run. Remove useless players and groom promising ones for the WC in India 2023.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Long road to 2023. Missed a golden opportunity.
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I wouldn't say we missed a golden opportunity, not at all. We came into this world cup in a mess. Two 35+ year olds in our middle order, no specialist spinner, still experimenting with Asif Ali. This team was not a favourite to get far in the world cup and they showed it.
 
Not a bad end to the campaign although we still have to play against Bangladesh. A loss in that game will surely rile up the fans and a lot of people will be fired. They need to win the last game regardless of the outcome of today's game.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The reality is that you shouldn't rely on other teams to help you qualify for the semi-finals. You should control your own destiny with consistent performances <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1146454838533906432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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It’s a question to be answered after the Bangladesh game.
 
They do. Such a shame. Pak were peaking lately and are more threatening than NZ in semis. But despite the skills and talent, and even the aggression, I can't pinpoint to it, but there is something missing in the Pakistan camp. Call it calmness, intelligence, calculated approach, the winning method or whatever. Or they wouldn't have lost so badly against WI and won so late against NZ and Afg. They don't need jazba and junoon, they need to find/fix mental issues.
 
What exactly NZL have done to be in top4 ?

Couldn't beat Aus, Eng and Pakistan.

A very close finished against RSA, Bang and WI.

Rained out match against India. The luck really favored them alot
 
No, frankly speaking when you are relying on favours from other teams including India of all teams, New Zealand, Afghanistan and Bangladesh as well along with expecting a miracle like Hafeez to score 266 to break Rohit Sharma’s record to win with such a margin to help Pakistan qualify ahead of another team on NRR, then no you don’t deserve to qualify for the World Cup semi final.

You need to control your own destiny if you are good enough.

On top of that we had 4 years to prepare for the World Cup, why was it that up until the last minute that we still did not know which was our best XI and selecting randomly from untried rookies like Hasnain to then show no faith in them, bringing back old horses like Wahab despite not being involved in lead up to World Cup, right down to dropping your most consistent batsman Haris Sohail for a ‘senior’ who has the batting record of a tailender in England and lived up to that again.

Yes forget about planning, strategy, discipline - we can do things our way and create chaos, controversies, select any random XI regardless of their performances , smoke sheesha till late night before important games and show complacency, lose horribly and yet we can still win the World Cup if luck starts going our way because we are ‘cornered tigers’ .

Is it time to rethink this approach?
 
Yes of course they do.
Certainly as much as the Kiwis and dare I say it, England too...

At least 5 maybe even 6 teams deserve it but that’s not really the point.
 
How is nrr calculated let's say BD bats first and pak win in 30 over with x amount of wickets left?
 
Inswing said:
What exactly NZL have done to be in top4 ?

Couldn't beat Aus, Eng and Pakistan.

A very close finished against RSA, Bang and WI.

Rained out match against India. The luck really favored them alot
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Lol, so was it NZL fault that Pak couldn't beat WI???
 
Almost 100% chance Of Pakistan not making it so it will be a well deserved exit. They will learn it the hard way how every single game counts.
Messed up completely against Windies, lost the match against Aus where they actually could win it and were schooled by India.
 
A team that enters the World Cup as a 6th ranked team with a 13 match losing streak deserves nothing.
 
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