Do you agree with the Cambridge Dictionary's new definition of 'Man' And 'Woman'?

[ex-q-zit]

Cambridge Dictionary Alters The Definition Of 'Man' And 'Woman'

The Cambridge Dictionary has updated its definition of 'woman' and 'man' to include people who identify as a gender other than their biological sex.

The definition of 'Man' now includes "an adult who lives and identifies as a male though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth."

And the updated definition of 'Woman' reads "an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth."

However, the longstanding definitions are still there which said that sex and gender identity always adhered to one another.

Along with the definition, the dictionary also gave two examples to explain the meaning of "man": "It also gives two examples: "Mark is a trans man (= a man who was said to be female when they were born)" and "their doctor encouraged them to live as a man for a while before undergoing surgical transition".

For "Woman" the examples read: "She was the first trans woman elected to a national office" and "Mary is a woman who was assigned male at birth".

A spokesperson for the Cambridge Dictionary told the Telegraph, "Our editors made this addition to the entry for woman in October. They carefully studied usage patterns of the word woman and concluded that this definition is one that learners of English should be aware of to support their understanding of how the language is used. The first definition at the entry for woman remains unchanged and continues to be 'an adult female human being'".

The revised definitions were made in October and are now being criticized on social media. A user commented, "The Cambridge Dictionary just changed the definition of "woman." Remember, if you can control the language, you can control the population."

Another user wrote, "F-ing traitors to the truth. Cambridge Dictionary is only the latest. If we don't stop them from erasing women our civilization is ngmi."

"1984 wasn't supposed to be a how-to manual," the third commented.

NDTV

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Nope

 

[KingKhanWC]

lol.

If a person identifies as an animal, does it mean they are?

Western extreme liberalism is making a mockery of what was once the most advanced thinking society in history, now one of the most backward.

 

[ex-q-zit]

I personally have no issues if a Woman changes her sex to Man or vice versa. It is their personal choice. But generalizing it doesn't sit well with me. Maybe I am conservative but for me (generally) women are capable of having a baby while a transwoman cannot similarly (generally) a man can provide the sperm which a transman cannot. So there needs to be a clear diffrentiation between a man and transman & woman and transwoman.

 

[MenInG]

I am reminded of this part from Hitch Hikers guide

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.”

Afraid this is exactly what will happen

 

[Mamoon]

Gender & sex are interlinked. You cannot identify as something that you are biologically not. If you do, you are delusional.

If a man cannot magically develop the ability to get pregnant & bear a child, he cannot identify as a woman just like no human can identify as an ape. They are two different species.

Man & woman are two different genders of the same species. There is no in between. You are either a man or a woman.

If you want to be call they/them or if you are a man/woman who wants to be the opposite gender because that is who you are, you are suffering from mental illness & need help.

The problem with the woke west is that instead of helping these people, they are facilitating their delusions, their mental illness & this is why this cancer is spreading like wildfire & young children are being indoctrinated into this madness.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No.

A man is a man and a woman is a woman. Chopping off certain body parts does not change that. Woke left has taken it too far.

 

[sweep_shot]

I do not agree and I think vast majority of the world wouldn't agree.

This is butchering science.

I believe gender studies should be banned worldwide. It is more dangerous than Coronavirus and AIDS.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think rest of the world should work together to preserve old standards/dictionaries.

A handful of western countries shouldn't define things for rest of the world.

 

[Justcrazy]

A woman who was born as a man ! she is a woman. Its no rocket science

 

[Champ_Pal]

I do not agree and I think vast majority of the world wouldn't agree.

This is butchering science.

I believe gender studies should be banned worldwide. It is more dangerous than Coronavirus and AIDS.

I don't mind if someone decides to alter their body parts to become a man or woman. But demanding others to call them by their gender pronouns and cancelling them for not doing so is stupid.

 

[James]

In short, no.

A man is a man.
A woman is a woman.

A transman is a transman.
A transwoman is a transwoman.

These definitions are perfectly respectable to everyone.

 

[HitWicket]

If a person identifies as an animal, does it mean they are?

No, because species is a biological fact rather than a social construct.

 

[Suleiman]

This mental illness has now made its way into places of higher education. Sad.

 

[SalimBhai]

In short, no.

A man is a man.
A woman is a woman.

A transman is a transman.
A transwoman is a transwoman.

These definitions are perfectly respectable to everyone.

Agree 100 percent

 

[sweep_shot]

No, because species is a biological fact rather than a social construct.

There is no such thing called "social construct". It has been added recently by radical left.

 

[SalimBhai]

All humans deserve respect. Human rights over religious rights

 

[sweep_shot]

All humans deserve respect. Human rights over religious rights

Religious rights include human rights. All religions promote human rights as far as I know.

We shouldn't confuse abnormality/madness with right.

 

[HitWicket]

There is no such thing called "social construct". It has been added recently by radical left.

The term social construct was coined decades ago for a concept referred to in literature well over a century ago.

 

[sweep_shot]

The term social construct was coined decades ago for a concept referred to in literature well over a century ago.

So, what are you proposing?

If I identify as an overweight Japanese woman, do I become one? I am not getting your point.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No, because species is a biological fact rather than a social construct.

End of discussion.

 

[ElRaja]

so guess we need to invent some new terms, semper man and semper woman to identify people who are the gender they were assigned at birth or biologically.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This creates a can of worms.

If this 'man' who is born in a 'female' body wants to use the toilets, do they use mens or womens or do we have spend billions on new public toilets for them?

 

[sweep_shot]

This creates a can of worms.

If this 'man' who is born in a 'female' body wants to use the toilets, do they use mens or womens or do we have spend billions on new public toilets for them?

Imagine a serial killer man going to a woman's toilet claiming he is a woman? Very unsafe for the ladies.

 

[SalimBhai]

Imagine a serial killer man going to a woman's toilet claiming he is a woman? Very unsafe for the ladies.

Thats a pretty far fetched idea. @ James had it right in above post. Good on you James

 

[Technics 1210]

Nope.

Changing a mere description doesn't change biology.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Imagine a serial killer man going to a woman's toilet claiming he is a woman? Very unsafe for the ladies.

Its probably happened.

We do know many criminals now claim to be women so they are sent to a women's jail. In one case the so called female convict impregnated another two inmates. lol.

 

[The_KING]

It is more woke nonsense, just like the concept of people putting pronouns in their bios on social media.

Biological facts don't care about your feelings. You can identify as a freaking toad. That doesn't change the fact that you are either a biological male or female.

Honestly, I have been contemplating whether or not, I want to raise my future kids in England. Do I want them to go to school and have their minds corrupted by these immoral western liberal views? They are actually teaching our kids this nonsense at schools now.

 

[JaDed]

I wonder if the change is for “Male” “Female” too?
That would create issues in all forms.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is more woke nonsense, just like the concept of people putting pronouns in their bios on social media.

Biological facts don't care about your feelings. You can identify as a freaking toad. That doesn't change the fact that you are either a biological male or female.

Honestly, I have been contemplating whether or not, I want to raise my future kids in England. Do I want them to go to school and have their minds corrupted by these immoral western liberal views? They are actually teaching our kids this nonsense at schools now.

The trick is to give them your own guidance.

e.g I told my nephews Santa doesnt exist at an early age, it may be a tradition but its a lie. Children must learn the truth from an early age and will believe their parents over their teachers.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It is more woke nonsense, just like the concept of people putting pronouns in their bios on social media.

Biological facts don't care about your feelings. You can identify as a freaking toad. That doesn't change the fact that you are either a biological male or female.

Honestly, I have been contemplating whether or not, I want to raise my future kids in England. Do I want them to go to school and have their minds corrupted by these immoral western liberal views? They are actually teaching our kids this nonsense at schools now.

There is a Hadith that of a Muslim imitates kufar, he is one among them. In a way most Muslims are Kufar.

 

[The_KING]

The trick is to give them your own guidance.

e.g I told my nephews Santa doesnt exist at an early age, it may be a tradition but its a lie. Children must learn the truth from an early age and will believe their parents over their teachers.

That is right. I believe that your first teachers in life are your parents. If you raise your kids properly and teach them your values, you kids will most likely not go stray.

 

[sweep_shot]

If you are a normal parent living in West, go for homeschooling, specific private school, Catholic school, or Islamic school. Don't send your kids to public schools, unless you want them to end up with confusions.

Radical left has infiltrated education system. They are trying to change science, literature, and reality itself. Radical left even has problem with mathematics. Check below:

 

[sweep_shot]

If you are a normal parent living in West, go for homeschooling, specific private school, Catholic school, or Islamic school. Don't send your kids to public schools, unless you want them to end up with confusions.

Radical left has infiltrated education system. They are trying to change science, literature, and reality itself. Radical left even has problem with mathematics. Check below:

Sorry. I added the wrong video. Here's the correct video:

 

[SalimBhai]

Send your kids to school. So they can learn evolution, human rights and critical thinking. Keep them away from faith based school.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Sorry. I added the wrong video. Here's the correct video:

Get away from liberal states and move to red states if you want to save your child from indoctrination by woke teachers.

If you can, save them from faith based schools too. Teach them at home if you would like.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Send your kids to school. So they can learn evolution, human rights and critical thinking. Keep them away from faith based school.

They can learn all of those without going to school to be taught homosexual relations or gender confusion is a good thing. However I am certainly happy to see such teachings make their way to majority non-Muslim countries like India. Let me know how it's going.

 

[Abel Reames]

I told my nephews Santa doesnt exist at an early age, it may be a tradition but its a lie. Children must learn the truth from an early age and will believe their parents over their teachers.

God is Santa Claus for adults.

 

[SalimBhai]

They can learn all of those without going to school to be taught homosexual relations or gender confusion is a good thing. However I am certainly happy to see such teachings make their way to majority non-Muslim countries like India. Let me know how it's going.

Not Indian. But keep showing your hatred for Indians.

 

[Sidilicious]

God is Santa Claus for adults.

so true

 

[SalimBhai]

That made me laugh. Haha.

 

[sweep_shot]

��so true

God is Santa Claus for adults.

So, are you saying everything in this universe happened by chance?

Human body alone is a proof that Someone made us. We have a Creator.

 

[Champ_Pal]

So, are you saying everything in this universe happened by chance?

Human body alone is a proof that Someone made us. We have a Creator.

New scientific evidence suggests that there are Multiple universes. Big bang is not a unique thing that has happened 12 billion years ago. The big bang that we talk about is one of the many bog bangs that has happened that is expanding our part of the universe.

Finding the cause of Big Bang is what Astro Physicists are trying to understand. It definitely was not created in 7 days like Abrahamic religions claim.

 

[sweep_shot]

New scientific evidence suggests that there are Multiple universes. Big bang is not a unique thing that has happened 12 billion years ago. The big bang that we talk about is one of the many bog bangs that has happened that is expanding our part of the universe.

Finding the cause of Big Bang is what Astro Physicists are trying to understand. It definitely was not created in 7 days like Abrahamic religions claim.

A day on Earth is not same as a day on other places. 1 day in Pluto is 153 hours long, for example.

It is possible the 7 days are referring to 7 stages/periods.

Allah knows best.

 

[sweep_shot]

New scientific evidence suggests that there are Multiple universes. Big bang is not a unique thing that has happened 12 billion years ago. The big bang that we talk about is one of the many bog bangs that has happened that is expanding our part of the universe.

Finding the cause of Big Bang is what Astro Physicists are trying to understand. It definitely was not created in 7 days like Abrahamic religions claim.

A day on Earth is not same as a day on other places. 1 day in Pluto is 153 hours long, for example.

It is possible the 7 days are referring to 7 stages/periods.

Allah knows best.

Also, one correction. It is not 7 days in Islam. It is 6 days. Read the verse below for reference:

Indeed your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then established Himself on the Throne. He makes the day and night overlap in rapid succession. He created the sun, the moon, and the stars—all subjected by His command. The creation and the command belong to Him ˹alone˺. Blessed is Allah—Lord of all worlds! (Al-Araf: Ayah 54)

 

[Champ_Pal]

Also, one correction. It is not 7 days in Islam. It is 6 days. Read the verse below for reference:

Indeed your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then established Himself on the Throne. He makes the day and night overlap in rapid succession. He created the sun, the moon, and the stars—all subjected by His command. The creation and the command belong to Him ˹alone˺. Blessed is Allah—Lord of all worlds! (Al-Araf: Ayah 54)

6 days does not make things any better.

Sun is also a star. Not counting Sun as a star is a mistake. All of the stars form. They do not get created. It can take millions of years for fusion to kick in and the dense gas becomes a star.

What does Blessed is Allah mean? Allah is the one that blesses and decides who to bless. Who can bless Allah?

 

[sweep_shot]

What does Blessed is Allah mean? Allah is the one that blesses and decides who to bless. Who can bless Allah?

Looks like you are not aware blessed has another meaning. It also means "honored in worship". Check here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blessed.

Anyway, that's how it was translated by Saheeh International and also Mustafa Khattab. Check: https://quran.com/en/al-araf/54.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Looks like you are not aware blessed has another meaning. It also means "honored in worship". Check here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blessed.

Anyway, that's how it was translated by Saheeh International and also Mustafa Khattab. Check: https://quran.com/en/al-araf/54.

So God is telling us that he is venerated and honored.

 

[sweep_shot]

So God is telling us that he is venerated and honored.

It is really pointless to argue regarding translated versions. Original Quran is in Arabic.

I think you know what this verse is saying but you want to argue because of your Islamophobia.

 

[James]

Interesting discussion but it has gone way off topic.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It is really pointless to argue regarding translated versions. Original Quran is in Arabic.

I think you know what this verse is saying but you want to argue because of your Islamophobia.

Either way, I question everything including my scriptures. A lot of Milawat has happened there. If something does not make sense, it does not.

I agree that it can mean venerated and honored. Why would God tell that he is venerated and honored?

 

[MenInG]

Interesting discussion but it has gone way off topic.

Agreed

Stick to the topic

 

[Justcrazy]

In short, no.

A man is a man.
A woman is a woman.

A transman is a transman.
A transwoman is a transwoman.

These definitions are perfectly respectable to everyone.

It is simple and precise.

 

[Justcrazy]

New scientific evidence suggests that there are Multiple universes. Big bang is not a unique thing that has happened 12 billion years ago. The big bang that we talk about is one of the many bog bangs that has happened that is expanding our part of the universe.

Finding the cause of Big Bang is what Astro Physicists are trying to understand. It definitely was not created in 7 days like Abrahamic religions claim.

Quran does not say that.

 

[kamz]

In short, no.

A man is a man.
A woman is a woman.

A transman is a transman.
A transwoman is a transwoman.

These definitions are perfectly respectable to everyone.

I want to be in the business of refurbishments and new build constructs of lavatories, toilets, wc. Everywhere there has been only 2 types, now there is a need of 4. . This

 

[Abel Reames]

So, are you saying everything in this universe happened by chance?

Did God happen by chance? The same rules that apply to the Universe should apply to God. Basic logic.

Human body alone is a proof that Someone made us. We have a Creator.

Anyways. We don't need to care what Muslims say. We have our Science and falsifiable evidence.

 

[MenInG]

So, are you saying everything in this universe happened by chance?

Did God happen by chance? The same rules that apply to the Universe should apply to God. Basic logic.



Anyways. We don't need to care what Muslims say. We have our Science and falsifiable evidence.

Back to the topic.

 

[Mamoon]

Anyone who wants to be called “they/them” deserves treatment not facilitation of “their” mad behavior.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Anyone who wants to be called “they/them” deserves treatment not facilitation of “their” mad behavior.

I cannot understand the concept of they/them. As far as I know they/them is plural in english which is referred to more than one person. So asking to be called they/them makes no sense whatsoever.

Note: But the thing I loved about this thread is everyone here irrespective of religion or country seem to be on the same page for once.

 

[sweep_shot]

I cannot understand the concept of they/them. As far as I know they/them is plural in english which is referred to more than one person. So asking to be called they/them makes no sense whatsoever.

Note: But the thing I loved about this thread is everyone here irrespective of religion or country seem to be on the same page for once.

They now believe there are 100 genders. See by yourself: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9179703/BBC-programme-tells-9-year-olds-100-genders.html.

It feels like a comedy skit at this point.

 

[Mamoon]

I cannot understand the concept of they/them. As far as I know they/them is plural in english which is referred to more than one person. So asking to be called they/them makes no sense whatsoever.

Note: But the thing I loved about this thread is everyone here irrespective of religion or country seem to be on the same page for once.

Singular “they” is grammatically correct. If you don’t know the gender of a person, you can refer to them as they/their.

You can say that “someone left their wallet in the cafe” instead of “he or she left his or her wallet in the cafe”. Using gendered pronouns, i.e. he/she would be a bit awkward & wordy in such circumstances.

Grammatically, using they/them is fine but physiologically it is a load of garbage. You cannot be gender neutral (non-binary). It is a mental sickness. They are mad people.

 

[Abel Reames]

Singular “they” is grammatically correct. If you don’t know the gender of a person, you can refer to them as they/their.

You can say that “someone left their wallet in the cafe” instead of “he or she left his or her wallet in the cafe”. Using gendered pronouns, i.e. he/she would be a bit awkward & wordy in such circumstances.

I have heard of people who use they when referring to one parent, rather thn he or she (Father/Mother) they use they instead. I have been told that they do it as a sign of respect (for parents)

[QUOTEGrammatically, using they/them is fine but physiologically it is a load of garbage. You cannot be gender neutral (non-binary). It is a mental sickness. They are mad people.[/QUOTE]

Not that I am too knowledgeable about these matters, always willing to learn but what about Diorders of Sex Development where infants are born with a mix of male and female genitalia?

Do you disagree that gender is more of a spectrum than binary, tho I do realise that you have had made it clear that you do think it is binary. Putting it another way do you not think there can be examples of men having the brain chemistry/hormone levels closer to women and vice versa?

There are so many disorders arising from chromosomal abnormalities, surely the sex chromosomes are equally as susceptible to abnormalities?

I guess one might say if they agreed that the percentages are small, perhaps 2 per cent and why should the tail wag the dog? But in the 80's in the UK the ethnic minorities were at the 2 per cent level and the authorities made laws, passed statutory acts to protect us, it is from the same source of wellness that all these pronoun business stems from.

 

[sweep_shot]

I guess one might say if they agreed that the percentages are small, perhaps 2 per cent and why should the tail wag the dog? But in the 80's in the UK the ethnic minorities were at the 2 per cent level and the authorities made laws, passed statutory acts to protect us, it is from the same source of wellness that all these pronoun business stems from.

People who perform beastiality are in the minorities too. Do you want beastiality to be allowed too then (by your logic)?

 

[Mamoon]

I have heard of people who use they when referring to one parent, rather thn he or she (Father/Mother) they use they instead. I have been told that they do it as a sign of respect (for parents)

Grammatically, using they/them is fine but physiologically it is a load of garbage. You cannot be gender neutral (non-binary). It is a mental sickness. They are mad people.

Not that I am too knowledgeable about these matters, always willing to learn but what about Diorders of Sex Development where infants are born with a mix of male and female genitalia?

Do you disagree that gender is more of a spectrum than binary, tho I do realise that you have had made it clear that you do think it is binary. Putting it another way do you not think there can be examples of men having the brain chemistry/hormone levels closer to women and vice versa?

There are so many disorders arising from chromosomal abnormalities, surely the sex chromosomes are equally as susceptible to abnormalities?

I guess one might say if they agreed that the percentages are small, perhaps 2 per cent and why should the tail wag the dog? But in the 80's in the UK the ethnic minorities were at the 2 per cent level and the authorities made laws, passed statutory acts to protect us, it is from the same source of wellness that all these pronoun business stems from.

My take on this is very simple. You cannot identify as something that you are biologically not. A man identifying as a woman is no different to a human being identifying as an elephant.

There are no limits to your imagination. I can imagine myself as Batman if I want but if I pretend that I am, people will think I am crazy.

I don’t buy the argument that sex & gender is different & that sex is what you are biologically & gender is what you identify, but you cannot identify as something you’re not. It is a delusion.

People who suffer from such delusions are obviously mentally ill. They are no different to those who have hallucinations & demonstrate psychotic, paranoid behavior. They deserve treatment.

People associate mental illness with aggressive behavior. They assume that if you are mentally ill, you must have fits of rage & uncontrollable anger. That is simply not true - you can have perfectly normal & decent behavior & still suffer from mental illness.

They would often say that homosexuals & people who identify as non-binary are some of the nicest people that you would meet but that has nothing to do with the mental problem that they have.

Ambiguous genitalia is an extremely rare condition & usually, doctors would do tests to determine if the patient is male dominant or female dominant & would then recommend a gender to the parents.

However, people suffering from such conditions may experience identity crisis since their physiology is different to normal males & females. That is obviously completely different to a perfectly normal male or female identifying as the opposite gender.

This is not due to biology & physiology but due to a mental disorder which is was formally recognized in the field of psychiatry until people suffering from such issues became psychiatrists themselves & started rationalizing their delusions & it became a taboo to associate these gender identity delusions with mental ailment.

Unless you are a born with a condition where you do not possess genitalia & thus do not possess any male or female characteristics, you simply cannot identify as non-binary.

The fact that the modern society thinks that it is perfectly normal & reasonable to be born as a biological male & then claim that you are not male or female because that is your choice is utterly ridiculous.

 

[SalimBhai]

My take on this is very simple. You cannot identify as something that you are biologically not. A man identifying as a woman is no different to a human being identifying as an elephant.

There are no limits to your imagination. I can imagine myself as Batman if I want but if I pretend that I am, people will think I am crazy.

I don’t buy the argument that sex & gender is different & that sex is what you are biologically & gender is what you identify, but you cannot identify as something you’re not. It is a delusion.

People who suffer from such delusions are obviously mentally ill. They are no different to those who have hallucinations & demonstrate psychotic, paranoid behavior. They deserve treatment.

People associate mental illness with aggressive behavior. They assume that if you are mentally ill, you must have fits of rage & uncontrollable anger. That is simply not true - you can have perfectly normal & decent behavior & still suffer from mental illness.

They would often say that homosexuals & people who identify as non-binary are some of the nicest people that you would meet but that has nothing to do with the mental problem that they have.

Ambiguous genitalia is an extremely rare condition & usually, doctors would do tests to determine if the patient is male dominant or female dominant & would then recommend a gender to the parents.

However, people suffering from such conditions may experience identity crisis since their physiology is different to normal males & females. That is obviously completely different to a perfectly normal male or female identifying as the opposite gender.

This is not due to biology & physiology but due to a mental disorder which is was formally recognized in the field of psychiatry until people suffering from such issues became psychiatrists themselves & started rationalizing their delusions & it became a taboo to associate these gender identity delusions with mental ailment.

Unless you are a born with a condition where you do not possess genitalia & thus do not possess any male or female characteristics, you simply cannot identify as non-binary.

The fact that the modern society thinks that it is perfectly normal & reasonable to be born as a biological male & then claim that you are not male or female because that is your choice is utterly ridiculous.

Dr saab. what do you say to transgender people in south asian culture who has been identifying as transgender for centuries ., Its not something woke or new. Third gender/trans have been around since mankind began. What's the reason for that. And it's all over the world . Not limited to South Asia. I dont get the pronouns, But I do understand trans people and have a few trans friends.

 

[sweep_shot]

Dr saab. what do you say to transgender people in south asian culture who has been identifying as transgender for centuries ., Its not something woke or new. Third gender/trans have been around since mankind began. What's the reason for that. And it's all over the world . Not limited to South Asia. I dont get the pronouns, But I do understand trans people and have a few trans friends.

There is a difference between hijra (intersex) people and folks who want to change genders despite being perfectly normal males or females. Don't confuse the two.

 

[Champ_Pal]

There is a difference between hijra (intersex) people and folks who want to change genders despite being perfectly normal males or females. Don't confuse the two.

I think there is a Hadis where the Angel at pregnancy asks God if the baby is a male or female. How does intersex fit in it according to you?

 

[sweep_shot]

I think there is a Hadis where the Angel at pregnancy asks God if the baby is a male or female. How does intersex fit in it according to you?

The shaykh answers your question.

 

[The_KING]

Anyone who wants to be called “they/them” deserves treatment not facilitation of “their” mad behavior.

You are right. These are mentally insane people. Unfortunately, in the west, these people are celebrated and their immoral lifestyle is being taught to our little kids at school. These people need to get medical help.

 

[Mamoon]

Dr saab. what do you say to transgender people in south asian culture who has been identifying as transgender for centuries ., Its not something woke or new. Third gender/trans have been around since mankind began. What's the reason for that. And it's all over the world . Not limited to South Asia. I dont get the pronouns, But I do understand trans people and have a few trans friends.

The woke left is responsible for the non-binary drivel.

 

[Abel Reames]

My take on this is very simple. You cannot identify as something that you are biologically not. A man identifying as a woman is no different to a human being identifying as an elephant.

There are no limits to your imagination. I can imagine myself as Batman if I want but if I pretend that I am, people will think I am crazy.

I don’t buy the argument that sex & gender is different & that sex is what you are biologically & gender is what you identify, but you cannot identify as something you’re not. It is a delusion.

People who suffer from such delusions are obviously mentally ill. They are no different to those who have hallucinations & demonstrate psychotic, paranoid behavior. They deserve treatment.

People associate mental illness with aggressive behavior. They assume that if you are mentally ill, you must have fits of rage & uncontrollable anger. That is simply not true - you can have perfectly normal & decent behavior & still suffer from mental illness.

They would often say that homosexuals & people who identify as non-binary are some of the nicest people that you would meet but that has nothing to do with the mental problem that they have.

Ambiguous genitalia is an extremely rare condition & usually, doctors would do tests to determine if the patient is male dominant or female dominant & would then recommend a gender to the parents.

However, people suffering from such conditions may experience identity crisis since their physiology is different to normal males & females. That is obviously completely different to a perfectly normal male or female identifying as the opposite gender.

This is not due to biology & physiology but due to a mental disorder which is was formally recognized in the field of psychiatry until people suffering from such issues became psychiatrists themselves & started rationalizing their delusions & it became a taboo to associate these gender identity delusions with mental ailment.

Unless you are a born with a condition where you do not possess genitalia & thus do not possess any male or female characteristics, you simply cannot identify as non-binary.

The fact that the modern society thinks that it is perfectly normal & reasonable to be born as a biological male & then claim that you are not male or female because that is your choice is utterly ridiculous.

But what if it isn't their choice so to speak? I have a done a little background reading and there is a condition called gender dysphoria. Where the individual does not feel that their physical sex aligns with their mental gender identity. Would you concede that there are some genuine cases of gender dysphoria? Reading the headlines of scientific papers it seems that there is evidence of brain structure, brain chemistry, hormonal balance and/or trauma experienced by individuals that causes gender dysphoria - meaning that it is not by choice that the individuals claim that they are not aligned with their physical sex.

In such cases the individual if left untreated is prone to mental illnesses and the treatment can include gender assignment which I guess means transgender.

Of course I agree with you that individuals should not claim to identify as the opposite sex based on whims and desires - but no skin of my nose if all these individuals want is to be called 'they'.

I don't think their 'rights' should extend these individuals or even say transgender women should use female toilets, or compete in female sports or vice versa. I guess in these situations the rights of society trump the rights of the individual.

But in my opinion the rights of the individual should trump the rights of society when it is a genuine case of gender dysphoria.

I don't find it hard to believe that there a genuine cases of gender dysphoria because we have developmental sex disorders which are apparent physically, logically there must be sex disorders where it is not physical. Aberations in the DNA.

There were times when people thought epilepsy was the evidence of Djinn/Bhoot until Science came along.

I am interested in your certainty in this issue and homosexuality, other posters here form their opinions because they sing from the Quranic hymn sheet but you're in my opinion are not of that ilk.

 

[Abel Reames]

There is a difference between hijra (intersex) people and folks who want to change genders despite being perfectly normal males or females. Don't confuse the two.

Says the guy who posts videos of an indivudual claiming to be a wolf into a topic about gender studies.

 

[Abel Reames]

People who perform beastiality are in the minorities too. Do you want beastiality to be allowed too then (by your logic)?

Gender dysphoria has nothing to do with sexuality. Beastiality is illegal in my country. You show a very poor grasp of logic to be using logic against me. Hints of the slippery slope logical fallacy on display.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Supreme Court backs 'biological' definition of woman

Judges at the UK Supreme Court have unanimously ruled that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law.

It marks the culmination of a long-running legal battle which could have major implications for how sex-based rights apply across Scotland, England and Wales.

The court sided with campaign group For Women Scotland, which brought a case against the Scottish government arguing that sex-based protections should only apply to people that are born female.

Judge Lord Hodge said the ruling should not be seen as a triumph of one side over the other, and stressed that the law still gives protection against discrimination to transgender people.

The Scottish government argued in court that transgender people with a gender recognition certificate (GRC) are entitled to the same sex-based protections as biological women.

The Supreme Court was asked to decide on the proper interpretation of the 2010 Equality Act, which applies across Britain.

Lord Hodge said the central question was how the words "woman" and "sex" are defined in the legislation.

He told the court: "The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms woman and sex in the Equality Act 2010 refer to a biological woman and biological sex.

"But we counsel against reading this judgement as a triumph of one or more groups in our society at the expense of another, it is not."

He added that the legislation gives transgender people "protection, not only against discrimination through the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, but also against direct discrimination, indirect discrimination and harassment in substance in their acquired gender".

Campaigners who brought the case against the Scottish government hugged each other and punched the air as they left the courtroom, with several of them in tears.

The Equality Act provides protection against discrimination on the basis of various characteristics, including "sex" and "gender reassignment".

Judges at the Supreme Court in London were asked to rule on what that law means by "sex" - whether it means biological sex, or legal, "certificated" sex as defined by the 2004 Gender Recognition Act.

The Scottish government argued the 2004 legislation was clear that obtaining a GRC amounts to a change of sex "for all purposes".

For Women Scotland argued for a "common sense" interpretation of the words man and woman, telling the court that sex is an "immutable biological state".

First Minister John Swinney said the Scottish government accepted the judgement.

He posted on social media: "The ruling gives clarity between two relevant pieces of legislation passed at Westminster.

"We will now engage on the implications of the ruling."

Swinney added: "Protecting the rights of all will underpin our actions."

Outside the Supreme Court, For Women Scotland co-founder Susan Smith said: "Today the judges have said what we always believed to be the case, that women are protected by their biological sex.

"Sex is real and women can now feel safe that services and spaces designated for women are for women and we are enormously grateful to the Supreme Court for this ruling."

A UK government spokesman said: "This ruling brings clarity and confidence, for women and service providers such as hospitals, refuges, and sports clubs.

"Single-sex spaces are protected in law and will always be protected by this government."

Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch described the ruling as a "victory for all of the women who faced personal abuse or lost their jobs for stating the obvious".

But Scottish Green MSP Maggie Chapman, a prominent campaigner for trans-rights, said: "This is a deeply concerning ruling for human rights and a huge blow to some of the most marginalised people in our society.

"It could remove important protections and will leave many trans people and their loved ones deeply anxious and worried about how their lives will be affected and about what will come next."

Single-sex spaces

For Women Scotland had warned that if the court sided with the Scottish government, it would have implications for the running of single-sex spaces and services, such as hospital wards, prisons, refuges and support groups.

Transgender people warned the case could erode the protections they have against discrimination in their reassigned gender.

The case follows years of heated debate over transgender and women's rights, including controversy over transgender rapist Isla Bryson initially being put in a women's prison and an ongoing employment tribunal involving a female NHS Fife nurse who objected to a transgender doctor using a women's changing room.

NHS Fife said it would "carefully consider" the court's judgement.

The judges ruled that that Interpreting sex as "certificated" rather than "biological" would "cut across the definitions of man and "woman and thus the protected characteristic of sex in an incoherent way".

They said a "certified" definition of sex would weaken protections for lesbians, citing the example of lesbian-only spaces and associations as it would mean that a trans woman who was attracted to women would be classed as a lesbian.

The ruling found the biological interpretation of sex was also required for single-sex spaces to "function coherently".

It cited changing rooms, hostels, medical services and single-sex higher education institutions.

The judges noted "similar confusion and impracticability" had arisen in relation to single-sex associations and charities, women's sport, public sector equality and the armed forces.

The judges added: "The practical problems that arise under a certificated sex approach are clear indicators that this interpretation is not correct."

How did we get here?

The legal dispute began in 2018, when the Scottish Parliament passed a bill designed to ensure gender balance on public sector boards.

For Women Scotland complained that ministers had included transgender people as part of the quotas in that law.

The issue has been contested several times in the Scottish courts.

Holyrood ministers won the most recent case in Scotland, with judge Lady Haldane ruling in 2022 that the definition of sex was "not limited to biological or birth sex".

The Scottish Parliament passed reforms that year that would have made it easier for someone to change their legally recognised sex.

The move was blocked by the UK government, and has since been dropped by Holyrood ministers.

BBC

 

[Justcrazy]

So if tomorrow , Mike Tyson identifies as a woman , will he be allowed to compete boxing matches against women?