Do you, as an Indian fan, wish to see India playing Pakistan in a bilateral series?

[gazza619]

Absolutely NOT. Few things are more important than a stupid game of cricket. Indian govt should actually refuse to play Pakistan even in ICC Events/Asia Cup and forfeit the match even if we meet in a KO.

I would be surprised if an Indian with that mentality would even post on a Pakistani forum. A lot of Indians have sadly been brainwashed by their own media. No international team supports India’s view point and that proves how they need to revisit their thought process.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I would be surprised if an Indian with that mentality would even post on a Pakistani forum. A lot of Indians have sadly been brainwashed by their own media. No international team supports India’s view point and that proves how they need to revisit their thought process.

No international team supports India's viewpoint?

What is that supposed to mean?

Why will any other team get into a India-Pakistan issue?

 

[ArsenalFC]

Absolutely NOT. Few things are more important than a stupid game of cricket. Indian govt should actually refuse to play Pakistan even in ICC Events/Asia Cup and forfeit the match even if we meet in a KO.

Here we go another one of the millions of far right extremists.

As for:

"Few things are more important than a stupid game of cricket"

What are you talking about? You're posting on a cricket forum. Do you realise how stupid and hypocritical you sound?

 

[Mainul]

I imagine that Indians who worry about Pakistan's superior H2H record in Tests and ODIs would be quite eager for bilateral ties to resume, because Pakistan is there for the taking at the moment in all formats. The win at Lord's and the Champions Trophy Final have raised the hopes of people, but we appear to have the wood over England and the Champions Trophy Final was a one-off game.

India should definitely be beating Pakistan in a Test and ODI series. The lack of bilateral cricket between the two teams in this decade is a golden opportunity missed from an Indian perspective. A Test and ODI series every other year in this decade and the H2H record would have become quite close.

There have been no Tests since 2007, and the only ODI series was in 2012/2013 when the Indian team were in transition and were phasing out their seniors. It was the perfect time to play India in this decade.

You said so about this ongoing series as well that a whitewash was inevitable for Pakistan.But we have already seen what Pakistan had to offer against England at home of cricket.Dont underestimate this side so much.Pakistan slowly and gradullay moving forward.India won't find it easy against them anymore. Sadab,Abbas,Faheem,Hasan have added new fresh flavor to the team. Still Pakistan has some issues left for solving,so does their opposition.No team is the West Indies of 80s or Australia of 90s anymore.Every team has issues.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are multiple reasons for the lack of interest. In the 90's and 00's Pakistan were a brilliant team. A team full of stars and one of the top teams in the world. India struggled to beat Pakistan and Indian people (even though some wouldn't admit) were in awe of some of the great Pakistan cricketers. In last 10 years or so Pakistan team hasn't been the same, even though Pakistan is going through a resurgence now under Sarfaraz, the quality isn't the same. India beating Pakistan now isn't as difficult as it used to be in the 90's. Also starting the 2001/02 series India and Australia developed a rivalry which gave the Indian fans something different. And no we don't feel the same way playing the other nations as there is still the small matter of winning a series in Australia and South Africa which no Asian nation has done. England has always been a tough tour. We hate the Sri Lankan series for sure but unfortunately we are unable to get rid of it (Thanks to BCCI). We hardly play against WI and Bangladesh, so if we did we aren't too fussed about it. It is good for those nations to get some cricket, so that is a fair game.

Somewhere between all that with no Test cricket being played between the two nations for almost 11 years now, the fans have lost interest. I am not saying India shouldn't play cricket against Pakistan, it will be good to play a series as there are only few test playing nations (like someone mentioned above) but again it wouldn't bother me if we did not either. If India played Pakistan even today the stadium will be full and people will turn up to watch but I can assure you that majority of the people in India wouldn't care if it did not happen. It is nothing to do with the quality of the sides or how well Pakistan are doing right now, it is just the Indian fans had lost interest in the bilateral series long back.

Pakistan has always been a competitive side so I don't really swallow your reasoning. If it was a series where you know it is an uneven contest where the underdog has no chance, I would agree with you, but that's never been the case with India/Pakistan games. It seems from your post, you wish to prove yourself against the white teams regardless of whether they are strong or weak at the time, which is no surprise as this is often the case with those who carry an inferiority complex, and in my view that is found more in Indians than in other teams from the subcontinent.

I would hesitate to attribute that mentality to the majority of Indians though, but perhaps you know better than me. I will take your word for it.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I just find people on both sides of the border incredibly naive.

They do not have the facts at all. Politicians and Army on both sides give them random facts to serve their own purpose and people spend their lives hating each other.

Then drag sports and art and culture into it.

Look at US. Bombed the wrong country because of 911 and now says it was a 'mistake.'

Same thing will happen between Pakistan and India. Sometime in the future, peace will break out between the two countries and then everyone will start exchanges of love. Nothing fundamentally will change, just people on top.

How few brain cells one has to have to see they are just incredibly data-less and therefore easily influenced!

Just leave cricket out of it and play. That doesn't require much brains anyway so should be right up our alley.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Don't care about a bilateral series with India. I see Australia and South Africa as bigger challenges for Pakistan. The banter is fun when it comes to India-Pakistan, but that's just about it.

I would much prefer us to play India in tournaments only.

 

[gazza619]

No international team supports India's viewpoint?

What is that supposed to mean?

Why will any other team get into a India-Pakistan issue?

India’s excuse is Pakistan is a terrorist nation and hence they refuse to play bilateral series against them.
The world thinks otherwise and hence every team is happy to play Pakistan.

 

[Sadevdesai]

Cricket between the Indians and Pakistan could be used to mend the fences !!!!

 

[giri26]

Pakistan has always been a competitive side so I don't really swallow your reasoning. If it was a series where you know it is an uneven contest where the underdog has no chance, I would agree with you, but that's never been the case with India/Pakistan games. It seems from your post, you wish to prove yourself against the white teams regardless of whether they are strong or weak at the time, which is no surprise as this is often the case with those who carry an inferiority complex, and in my view that is found more in Indians than in other teams from the subcontinent.

I would hesitate to attribute that mentality to the majority of Indians though, but perhaps you know better than me. I will take your word for it.

There are two things I want to clarify:

1. I never said Pakistan is not a competitive side. Where in the post did I say that? I said beating the current Pakistan team is not that difficult, compared to the team from the 90's, would you dispute that statement? Hasn't India vs Pakistan H2H been more even in the last decade than what it was in 80's and 90's?

2. I never said I give winning over white team more importance. There are only few teams in world cricket. India and Pakistan aren't playing any more. India plays SL a lot, too much for any fan to care about. India don't play WI or BD that often. That only leaves us with SA, England, NZ and Australia. The fact that India has never won a series in SA and Australia makes those tours interesting. The England tours are followed with interest due to the hammering the team has received over the last decade.

The India vs Pakistan games haven't happened for more than a decade now (Tests) and the fans have moved on. If you ask an Indian fan, they would say they don't mind a series but they could care less if it did not happen. We watch lots of cricket these days and Indian fans have made peace with Playing Pakistan only in World tournaments and Asia cups.

Why are we getting so frustrated about this situation though. India and Pakistan did not play a bilateral series for 10 years from 1989-1999. Pakistan did not make a huge deal about the same at that time. The only difference being, there were lots of multi-nation tournaments in the 90's and India played Pakistan a lot in that. Fans in the 90's were robbed of watching Sachin take on peak Waqar and Wasim for an entire decade in Tests, compared to that this scenario is not that bad.

Like I said, I am not saying a series should not happen. It will be great if India plays Pakistan. It will be competitive. The series will be fantastic, it will be hyped up and I will watch it for sure with interest. But again if it did not happen, not many of us will be disappointed. That is the point. We have gone too long without a series and it does not matter anymore for majority of the fans.

 

[giri26]

All, Please keep the discussion related to cricket in this thread.

 

[Rahul1]

I think every self respecting cricket fan from both India and Pakistan would like to see bilateral ties resume between the two countries.

 

[Rahul1]

And I would suggest to the Pakistani fans to stay away from the army of BCCI cheerleaders.

 

[navin]

I think every self respecting cricket fan from both India and Pakistan would like to see bilateral ties resume between the two countries.

How did you deduce that? and especially the "self-respecting" part

 

[cricketjoshila]

India’s excuse is Pakistan is a terrorist nation and hence they refuse to play bilateral series against them.
The world thinks otherwise and hence every team is happy to play Pakistan.

India is facing the terror attacks from Pakistan and not another country. So why will anyone else stop playing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And I would suggest to the Pakistani fans to stay away from the army of BCCI cheerleaders.

I think every self respecting cricket fan from both India and Pakistan would like to see bilateral ties resume between the two countries.

Has the BCCI stopped the cricket or is it the Govt of India? Are the govts of Manmohan singh and Narendra Modi Bcci cheerleaders?

How did you deduced the second post? Esp the self respecting thing?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are two things I want to clarify:

1. I never said Pakistan is not a competitive side. Where in the post did I say that? I said beating the current Pakistan team is not that difficult, compared to the team from the 90's, would you dispute that statement? Hasn't India vs Pakistan H2H been more even in the last decade than what it was in 80's and 90's?

2. I never said I give winning over white team more importance. There are only few teams in world cricket. India and Pakistan aren't playing any more. India plays SL a lot, too much for any fan to care about. India don't play WI or BD that often. That only leaves us with SA, England, NZ and Australia. The fact that India has never won a series in SA and Australia makes those tours interesting. The England tours are followed with interest due to the hammering the team has received over the last decade.

The India vs Pakistan games haven't happened for more than a decade now (Tests) and the fans have moved on. If you ask an Indian fan, they would say they don't mind a series but they could care less if it did not happen. We watch lots of cricket these days and Indian fans have made peace with Playing Pakistan only in World tournaments and Asia cups.

Why are we getting so frustrated about this situation though. India and Pakistan did not play a bilateral series for 10 years from 1989-1999. Pakistan did not make a huge deal about the same at that time. The only difference being, there were lots of multi-nation tournaments in the 90's and India played Pakistan a lot in that. Fans in the 90's were robbed of watching Sachin take on peak Waqar and Wasim for an entire decade in Tests, compared to that this scenario is not that bad.

Like I said, I am not saying a series should not happen. It will be great if India plays Pakistan. It will be competitive. The series will be fantastic, it will be hyped up and I will watch it for sure with interest. But again if it did not happen, not many of us will be disappointed. That is the point. We have gone too long without a series and it does not matter anymore for majority of the fans.

I know you didn't say that winning series against white teams is more important, but it is implicitly inferred by the choice of teams you picked as important, and which you claim is also the case for fellow Indians. Of course no one wants to admit that they will only feel validated by playing and winning against the old masters of Empire and their offshoots, but it pretty hard to avoid the conclusion when you consider there isn't much else there to elevate them as worthy opponents.

Why don't England or Australia lose interest in playing the Ashes for example? Quite simply because they are comfortable in their own sense of importance, and perhaps that is what Indians aspire to. To rub shoulders with the elite and consider themselves as having joined that club and what an honour it would be.