Does India even need Virat Kohli anymore?

[Savak]

Let's be honest, he's not been the same match winner anymore that he was in his prime from 2011 - 2019.

Apart from that famous MCG knock against Pakistan in 2022, I can't think of any other major non stat padding knocks by him.

His knock in the T20 WC final was very slow and could have easily cost India the match had it not been for Bhumras magic.

His stats in test cricket from 2020 onwards are in front of everyone and if you take out that 186 against Australia on a super flat pitch, it doesn't make for a pretty sight.

Based on his current form I can't see him being around for the 2027 ODI WC and does India even need him in test cricket anymore, its not like he is averaging 50 in the format or in the last few years.

BCCI is clearly sticking with him because of pressure from the sponsors but for how long will his place in the team be justified?

I don't think he can survive till 40 unlike Teenda

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I hope he sticks around till the Champions Trophy (if held in Pakistan).

If it's a hybrid I'm not bothered.

Anyway, India seems to think they need him. Either they are clinging onto him for nostalgia purposes or the cupboard is actually quite bare and they don't have faith in the hyped replacements.

 

[Forum363]

As a pakistani, I cant wait until he retires because Indians dont realise the power that he has for big games. Like Dhoni as a captain tormented us for years and was pushed out by fans, Kohli as a player seems to be.

Yes India keeps finding superstars but theres a difference between an amazing player and someone who stands up in clutch moments.

 

[RexRex]

Let's see how he does in the BGT. Give him the boot if he fails, he's had enough chances.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

his time is over now...he should have announced retirement from Test cricket early this year.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Let's be honest, he's not been the same match winner anymore that he was in his prime from 2011 - 2019.

Apart from that famous MCG knock against Pakistan in 2022, I can't think of any other major non stat padding knocks by him.

His knock in the T20 WC final was very slow and could have easily cost India the match had it not been for Bhumras magic.

His stats in test cricket from 2020 onwards are in front of everyone and if you take out that 186 against Australia on a super flat pitch, it doesn't make for a pretty sight.

Based on his current form I can't see him being around for the 2027 ODI WC and does India even need him in test cricket anymore, its not like he is averaging 50 in the format or in the last few years.

BCCI is clearly sticking with him because of pressure from the sponsors but for how long will his place in the team be justified?

I don't think he can survive till 40 unlike Teenda

2023 World Cup Come to mind? that doesn't count as stat-padding because all of those matches are important world cup matches

 

[Savak]

2023 World Cup Come to mind? that doesn't count as stat-padding because all of those matches are important world cup matches

India didn't desperately need his contribution except for the NZ game. In the final he needed to bail his team out of trouble and he lost his wicket at a crucial time.

 

[sweep_shot]

Kohli should've retired after 2024 World T20.

Kohli era is over.

 

[Vikram1989]

India didn't desperately need his contribution except for the NZ game. In the final he needed to bail his team out of trouble and he lost his wicket at a crucial time.

I will add Aus,SA matches in league for sure.sf innings is a good one on a belter as it has not stopped the momentum.

 

[mominsaigol]

Kohli should've retired after 2024 World T20.

Kohli era is over.

He never had an era. He achieved Bi laterals dominance but he has never won India a cup or any wtc or anything worth a damn.

Most Indian greats have only managed to achieve bi laterals dominance and many some flashy innings in group stages.

It's why I rate steve smith so highly. Winnings a 2015 as the main batsmen and a wtc is one heck if an achievement and people don't view this as good because he's Australian and not Indian.

 

[sweep_shot]

He never had an era. He achieved Bi laterals dominance but he has never won India a cup or any wtc or anything worth a damn.

Most Indian greats have only managed to achieve bi laterals dominance and many some flashy innings in group stages.

It's why I rate steve smith so highly. Winnings a 2015 as the main batsmen and a wtc is one heck if an achievement and people don't view this as good because he's Australian and not Indian.

Yes. Smith has achieved far more. No doubt.

I also believe Kohli was primarily a bilateral specialist.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes. Smith has achieved far more. No doubt.

I also believe Kohli was primarily a bilateral specialist.

Aussie players have always been > Indians. They just don't have the marketing hype.

 

[Dhakar Pola]

Virat used to look inhumane in his stats. Now if you see his last 2 year test performance he looks an ordinary mortal. Last 1 year stats looks pathetic.

Do India need virat anymore? I really don't think so but a legend like him can't just go away like this. I think virat needs to play ranji and gain confidence there. Come back and retire like a legend on top

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Lol at that one cricket illiterate posters here, Virat Kohli was an enigma in his time, his two Man of the tournament performances in t20 world cup comes to mind, no one amongst fab four can replicate that, you can lose a tournament even after doing exceedingly well.

The thing is these jholachaap experts corona fans don't have enough knowledge, calling someone who scored 760+ runs in a world cup a bilateral bully shows their understanding.

 

[sweep_shot]

Lol at that one cricket illiterate posters here, Virat Kohli was an enigma in his time, his two Man of the tournament performances in t20 world cup comes to mind, no one amongst fab four can replicate that, you can lose a tournament even after doing exceedingly well.

The thing is these jholachaap experts corona fans don't have enough knowledge, calling someone who scored 760+ runs in a world cup a bilateral bully shows their understanding.

T20 is not real cricket and shouldn't be used as a metric.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yes. Smith has achieved far more. No doubt.

I also believe Kohli was primarily a bilateral specialist.

Yeah a bilateral specialist who broke all time runs record in a single world cup.
Nice.

Also he has an amazing record in Champions trophy and t20 world cup, there is no man from your or Pakistan team who comes close to Kohlis tournament performances

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

T20 is not real cricket and shouldn't be used as a metric.

Odi world cup is real cricket right?
He broke record for most runs in a single world cup, don't try to justify your senseless post here, even in Champions trophy he has an impeccable record with a high score in finals

 

[mominsaigol]

Odi world cup is real cricket right?
He broke record for most runs in a single world cup, don't try to justify your senseless post here, even in Champions trophy he has an impeccable record with a high score in finals

Did he win an odi world cup? Where's that final performance? Smith scored a 100 in semi's and went not out in the final. Travis head got 137.

Waiting for kohli to win an odi world cup for his country

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

He is done in tests atleast, already retired from t20s, ODIs is the one format where he will continue playing, not sure how he will do though, but if Australia can stick with someone like Smith after that horrible world cup performance than Kohli deserves a shot too as the GOAT LOI batter.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Did he win an odi world cup? Where's that final performance? Smith scored a 100 in semi's and went not out in the final. Travis head got 137.

Waiting for kohli to win an odi world cup for his country

Kohli already has won a world cup, this is what happens when you have no cricket knowledge. Made an important contribution in the finals too

Did Abd , Lara, Anwar win a final for their country, come back to me when you have actual knowledge and answers, till then niklo yahan se.

 

[mominsaigol]

Kohli already has won a world cup, this is what happens when you have no cricket knowledge. Made an important contribution in the finals too

Did Abd , Lara, Anwar win a final for their country, come back to me when you have actual knowledge and answers, till then niklo yahan se.

Naw he had bumrah help him in t20 wc.

If you're referring to 2011, he wasnt a factor. Yuvi was.

And I don't give a lahoot about lara, Anwar or abd. I didn't bring them up, Now you go back into your hut.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Ntw

Did he win an odi world cup? Where's that final performance? Smith scored a 100 in semi's and went not out in the final. Travis head got 137.

Waiting for kohli to win an odi world cup for his country

BTW maybe you missed Kohlis stellar world cup performance with a hundred in semi finals and highest score in finals.

But I know your type, keep ranting, but believe me everyone here knows that you hardly understand cricket.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Naw he had bumrah help him in t20 wc.

If you're referring to 2011, he wasnt a factor. Yuvi was.

And I don't give a lahoot about lara, Anwar or abd. I didn't bring them up, Now you go back into your hut.

You not giving kahoot about something doesn't matter for me, facts do.

Abd and Lara are both baap of Smith in ODIs despite not winning a world cup.

Chal ab nikal, watch some cricket and then come back, shoo.

 

[sweep_shot]

Kohli already has won a world cup, this is what happens when you have no cricket knowledge. Made an important contribution in the finals too

Did Abd , Lara, Anwar win a final for their country, come back to me when you have actual knowledge and answers, till then niklo yahan se.

What did Kohli do in 2011 World Cup? He was a freeloader.

2011 WC was won by Yuvraj and co.

 

[sweep_shot]

You not giving kahoot about something doesn't matter for me, facts do.

Abd and Lara are both baap of Smith in ODIs despite not winning a world cup.

Chal ab nikal, watch some cricket and then come back, shoo.

Smith is far better than ABD. ABD is a bilateral/IPL specialist like Kohli.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ntw

BTW maybe you missed Kohlis stellar world cup performance with a hundred in semi finals and highest score in finals.

But I know your type, keep ranting, but believe me everyone here knows that you hardly understand cricket.

As if I give a kahoot about what others think and what you think. You lot are as brainless as they come.

Honestly with the exception of a few notable indians, Indians shouldn't be allowed to run their mouth on forums.

Go fetch a wc 100 and a wc win

 

[mominsaigol]

Smith is far better than ABD. ABD is a bilateral/IPL specialist like Kohli.

Exactly, Indians don't even know what their talking about. Prime Smith is a much better odi player then abd.

Indians can't handle the fact that smith has scored the most odi centuries against them

 

[mominsaigol]

You not giving kahoot about something doesn't matter for me, facts do.

Abd and Lara are both baap of Smith in ODIs despite not winning a world cup.

Chal ab nikal, watch some cricket and then come back, shoo.

Chal ab nikal,

Youre the Indian on a pakistani forumn. Youre the immigrant, not me

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

What did Kohli do in 2011 World Cup? He was a freeloader.

2011 WC was won by Yuvraj and co.

So you admitted the fact that Kohli is a proper tournament player and not a bilaterally bully, cool, one step at a time.

As for 2011 world cup, he made an important contribution in the finals and was more of a wildcard player than a main player, he did his job perfectly.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Chal ab nikal,

Youre the Indian on a pakistani forumn. Youre the immigrant, not me

Aren’t you an Australian?

Or is it because your team stinks so bad that you have adopted Australia?

 

[Romali_rotti]

No India doesn't need Kohli or his constant non shows... I am hoping when the plane departs to Aus Kohli won't be on it. No justification for him to be in the side, how can you last on any side being so poor for soo long is beyond me...

 

[mominsaigol]

Aren’t you an Australian?

Or is it because your team stinks so bad that you have adopted Australia?

Half and Half. I have both genes. You on the other hand are 100% Indian.

And a the bare definition of a freeloading immigrant.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Smith is far better than ABD. ABD is a bilateral/IPL specialist like Kohli.

lol, this is as hilarious a take as it gets.

Btw considering you lot have never played a proper world cup KO, do you think there is any player in your country better than Munaf Patel who actually won a world cup.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Smith is far better than ABD. ABD is a bilateral/IPL specialist like Kohli.

btw already proved that the highest run scorer in a single word cup can’t be a bilateral specialist.

He has better performances in tournaments than any player of Pakistan or Bangladesh.

 

[mominsaigol]

lol, this is as hilarious a take as it gets.

Tbf, his takes are superior to 90% of the Indians on this forumn and that includes you.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Tbf, his takes are superior to 90% of the Indians on this forumn and that includes you.

How do you manage to be racist to Indians, lol
Just because you clean toilets in Australia doesn’t mean you are an aussie, you are a loser Pakistani who watches even domestics and claims your furst team is Australia.

 

[mominsaigol]

How do you manage to be racist to Indians, lol
Just because you clean toilets in Australia doesn’t mean you are an aussie, you are a loser Pakistani who watches even domestics and claims your furst team is Australia.

Just because you clean toilets in Australia doesn’t mean you are an aussie, you are a loser Pakistani who watches even domestics and claims your furst team is Australia.

Again why is an indian on a pakistani forumn telling me what to do or who I am? Seriously you're a third rate immigrant?

How do you manage to be racist to Indians, lol

Hahahahahahaha, Hypocrite

 

[mominsaigol]

How do you manage to be racist to Indians, lol
Just because you clean toilets in Australia doesn’t mean you are an aussie, you are a loser Pakistani who watches even domestics and claims your furst team is Australia.

Imagine calling someone a loser when they can't build their own forumn .

1B tech nerds and yet they need to rely on an external source from a rival nation to spread their rubbish cricketing takes Hahahahahaha.

Oh and then they have the audacity to insukt and troll and act like Bhegherats

 

[sweep_shot]

btw already proved that the highest run scorer in a single word cup can’t be a bilateral specialist.

He has better performances in tournaments than any player of Pakistan or Bangladesh.

I forgot to add "group stage specialist". Kohli is that too.

No need to bring Pakistan or Bangladesh here. Stick to topic.

 

[mominsaigol]

I forgot to add "group stage specialist". Kohli is that too.

No need to bring Pakistan or Bangladesh here. Stick to topic.

He won't stick to the topic, these lots are experts in deflecting and insulting. That's all that their good for.

 

[big_gamer007]

It’s funny how arm chair experts who have never played any form of professional sport at any level speak like their opinions actually hold any value.

It’s mostly sub continent fans who act like that since sports is something alien to sub continent folks and “gyaan baatna” is their favourite pastime.

Kohli has had a tremendous career so far and will go down as an ATG of the game. His last few years have been pretty poor and he should have been asked to go back to domestic or county cricket to regain his form, however, in India it’s all about worship culture and ego is too big to toil in domestics for superstars.

Unless Kohli has an iconic BGT, he needs to be dropped from the squad if he doesn’t willingly retire.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I forgot to add "group stage specialist". Kohli is that too.

No need to bring Pakistan or Bangladesh here. Stick to topic.

Well he has a hundred in semis , high scores in a world cup final , ct final and ct semifinal and 5 clutch knocks in t20.


There is a reason to bring Pakistan and Bangladesh, I wanted you to verify if your world cup theory applies to Shaib vs Munaf , Anwar vs Munaf and Tamim vs Nehra too

 

[G0rmintAunty]

It’s funny how arm chair experts who have never played any form of professional sport at any level speak like their opinions actually hold any value.

It’s mostly sub continent fans who act like that since sports is something alien to sub continent folks and “gyaan baatna” is their favourite pastime.

Kohli has had a tremendous career so far and will go down as an ATG of the game. His last few years have been pretty poor and he should have been asked to go back to domestic or county cricket to regain his form, however, in India it’s all about worship culture and ego is too big to toil in domestics for superstars.

Unless Kohli has an iconic BGT, he needs to be dropped from the squad if he doesn’t willingly retire.

What's also funny to me is that you start your post with that and go ahead and give your gyaan anyway.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

We need the Virat Kohli from years ago.

This one should be dropped.

 

[Devadwal]

Big no. He is liability for us.

 

[Ab Fan]

lol, this is as hilarious a take as it gets.

Btw considering you lot have never played a proper world cup KO, do you think there is any player in your country better than Munaf Patel who actually won a world cup.

Munaf Patel is a better ODI bowler than Waqar Younis, let alone any BD bowler. It is not even a comparison. Patel has won a WC, Waqar had to get dropped and injured for his team to make a WC Final in 1999 and a WC victory in 1992. Whenever he played he costed games vs India in WC like 1996 or 1999 where Prasad overshadowed Waqar.

 

[sweep_shot]

Munaf Patel is a better ODI bowler than Waqar Younis, let alone any BD bowler. It is not even a comparison. Patel has won a WC, Waqar had to get dropped and injured for his team to make a WC Final in 1999 and a WC victory in 1992. Whenever he played he costed games vs India in WC like 1996 or 1999 where Prasad overshadowed Waqar.

Thread is about Kohli. Why bring in Munaf?

Munaf was smashed by Tamim Iqbal in 2007 WC. Munaf is overrated.

Waqar has 400+ ODI wickets. He is an undisputed legend. How many does Munaf have?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Kohli gets too much disrespect.

Yeah he may be past it but I've not seen a LOI player like him during my time watching cricket.

Big player who scored big runs and had a good test peak too.

 

[Ab Fan]

Thread is about Kohli. Why bring in Munaf?

Munaf was smashed by Tamim Iqbal in 2007 WC. Munaf is overrated.

Waqar has 400+ ODI wickets. He is an undisputed legend. How many does Munaf have?

World Cup is the only thing that matters. Munaf and Zak won their team a WC while Waqar hasn’t done it. Waqar also was part of 1999 WC in one match which was against minnow BD and his team lost it. He was dropped from all matches and Pakistan went on to reach Finals. He was also not playing in 1992 WC and they won it.

Waqar played in 1996 and 2003 WC and he got destroyed in both of them.

Steve Smith also was poor in WC 2019 and WC 2023 but since he already won the WC, he is better than Kohli and de Villiers as per you.

In a similar manner, Zak and Munaf being poor vs BD in 2007 WC doesn’t matter because they won WC in 2011 and hence they are better than Waqar who whenever played WC, his team failed while in his absence, they surprised themselves and did well.

 

[sweep_shot]

World Cup is the only thing that matters. Munaf and Zak won their team a WC while Waqar hasn’t done it. Waqar also was part of 1999 WC in one match which was against minnow BD and his team lost it. He was dropped from all matches and Pakistan went on to reach Finals. He was also not playing in 1992 WC and they won it.

Waqar played in 1996 and 2003 WC and he got destroyed in both of them.

Steve Smith also was poor in WC 2019 and WC 2023 but since he already won the WC, he is better than Kohli and de Villiers as per you.

In a similar manner, Zak and Munaf being poor vs BD in 2007 WC doesn’t matter because they won WC in 2011 and hence they are better than Waqar who whenever played WC, his team failed while in his absence, they surprised themselves and did well.

If you think Munaf is better than Waqar, no point in discussion with you. LOL.

Waqar is 4-5 levels above Munaf.

Anyway, let's return to topic.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Waqar has 400+ ODI wickets. He is an undisputed legend. How many does Munaf have?

Kohli has 50 odi centuries, he is an undisputed legend, Steve smith with 12 odi centuries does not compare. Devilliers has 25 odi centuries, how many does smith have?

Fitting your own logic here

 

[sweep_shot]

Kohli has 50 odi centuries, he is an undisputed legend, Steve smith with 12 odi centuries does not compare. Devilliers has 25 odi centuries, how many does smith have?

Fitting your own logic here

Smith >>> Kohli > ABD.

 

[big_gamer007]

What's also funny to me is that you start your post with that and go ahead and give your gyaan anyway.

Well let’s break down my post, shall we? I don’t think you understand difference between Fact and Gyaan.

Kohli has a spectacular career - Fact not gyan.
Kohli has had poor last few years - Fact not gyan.
Kohli needs to go down to domestic/county to regain form - Fact not gyan.
Kohli should be dropped if he doesn’t perform in BGT - One can call it gyan.

I am an Indian so bit of gyaan in my post has to be there, that’s in our genes, can’t help it.

 

[Ab Fan]

If you think Munaf is better than Waqar, no point in discussion with you. LOL.

Waqar is 4-5 levels above Munaf.

Anyway, let's return to topic.

If you think Steve Smith is better than Kohli or de villiers in white ball, no point in discussion with you. LOL.

They both are 3-4 levels above Smith who has 12 hundreds and average of 40 despite playing in more batting friendly era than de Villiers lol

 

[big_gamer007]

If you think Steve Smith is better than Kohli or de villiers in white ball, no point in discussion with you. LOL.

They both are 3-4 levels above Smith who has 12 hundreds and average of 40 despite playing in more batting friendly era than de Villiers lol

ABD is top 5 ODI alongside Kohli, viv, Sachin, ponting. Anyone who has any other in top 5 lacks cricketing knowledge.

 

[Ab Fan]

ABD is top 5 ODI alongside Kohli, viv, Sachin, ponting. Anyone who has any other in top 5 lacks cricketing knowledge.

He thinks Steve Smith who averages 42@87 in ODIs and played in this era is better than Kohli and de Villiers who averages 58@92 and 53@101 respectively.

 

[big_gamer007]

He thinks Steve Smith who averages 40@88 in ODIs and played in this era is better than Kohli and de Villiers who averages 58@92 and 53@101 respectively.

Every pundit unanimously have 3 or 4 of those 5 in their all time ODI 11.
Every bowler who played against any of those 5 rate those 5 as the best ever.

No one/very very few rates Smith as best batsman in ODI

Whose opinion matters? The bowlers who played against those 5 or some guy on PP who probably never picked up a cricket ball outside his home?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Smith >>> Kohli > ABD.

No, you are wrong, also a hypocrite.

All three of them are better than any Bangladeshi player though.

Btw

z khan >>>> Waqar Younis

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Smith >>> Kohli > ABD.

You are a Bangladeshi, neither can you play cricket nor understand it.

 

[mominsaigol]

No, you are wrong, also a hypocrite.

All three of them are better than any Bangladeshi player though.

Btw

z khan >>>> Waqar Younis

Steve smith has won 2 cups for his country. It's clear as day in terms of achievements he's far superior to any stat padding Indian achievements of which their posters and fans like to gloat about.

The other comparisons that you're making are next to useless.

Zaheer Khan didn't single handedly win a cup for india. It was all yuvi in 2011 and Dhoni + Yuvi in the final.

They just bowled that day, nothing more and nothing less.

Smith was the main man in wtc along with Travis and the only man in 2015 wc.

Wc final and wtc are the 2 biggest events of your life. If you can't score in them and be the big man during those events, Then you can't he considered as superior to someone.

Those centuries are worth 100,000 centuries. They come on the biggest stage and lead to victories. Kohli on the other hand, I think he can take solace in getting a man of the tournament achievement whole crying in the corner when he witnesses another team lifting the trophy

 

[mominsaigol]

You are a Bangladeshi, neither can you play cricket nor understand it.

But can he have some beef? Such regional racist remarks will be dealt with accordingly by yours truly.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Steve smith has won 2 cups for his country. It's clear as day in terms of achievements he's far superior to any stat padding Indian achievements of which their posters and fans like to gloat about.

The other comparisons that you're making are next to useless.

Zaheer Khan didn't single handedly win a cup for india. It was all yuvi in 2011 and Dhoni + Yuvi in the final.

They just bowled that day, nothing more and nothing less.

Smith was the main man in wtc along with Travis and the only man in 2015 wc.

Wc final and wtc are the 2 biggest events of your life. If you can't score in them and be the big man during those events, Then you can't he considered as superior to someone.

Those centuries are worth 100,000 centuries. They come on the biggest stage and lead to victories. Kohli on the other hand, I think he can take solace in getting a man of the tournament achievement whole crying in the corner when he witnesses another team lifting the trophy

Didn’t read, don’t care, watch more cricket and learn.
Learn from cricketers who rate Lara and Abd above Smith, their opinion matters more.

 

[mominsaigol]

Didn’t read, don’t care, watch more cricket and learn.
Learn from cricketers who rate Lara and Abd above Smith, their opinion matters more.

Idc what cricketers say.

Anil Kumble was claiming that rizzu is top 3 batters in the world all because he saw one innings in the world cup. That hilariously fell flat, As every Tom dick and Harry from kohli, to rachin, to Quinton outperformed rizzu by miles.

This shows their intelligence. At the end of the day their humans and not gods.

I'm well aware that you feel the need to make them your abu's but the truth of the matter is, you have no counter.

I suggest you leave India, and watch cricket overseas and you'll get to see cricket beyond the lens of Moronic Indians fans and their media hype machines.

 

[chinaman00]

Bigger question is does virat kohli need India?

Regardless of his form, his mere presence is enough to unsettle teams. It’s a powerful psychological weapon without which India will be a mere shadow of itself.

 

[umerz]

I think Australian series will define the future of Rohit and Kohli. If their performances are average (below 35 average) and they face a 3-0 4-0 defeat then this may be the final nail in coffin.

 

[sweep_shot]

You are a Bangladeshi, neither can you play cricket nor understand it.

Smith >>> Kohli > ABD.

In terms of impact, that's the order.

Insulting me isn't changing that fact.

 

[Vikram1989]

What surprised me in this thread is that most of pak fans apart from usual suspects sincerely lend their support to kohli or wants to give him one last chance .on the other hand indian fans are desperate to see both rohit and kohli leave asap

 

[mominsaigol]

Smith >>> Kohli > ABD.

In terms of impact, that's the order.

Insulting me isn't changing that fact.

The poster that you're talking to @jeeteshssaxena has no clue what he's even talking about.

Ofcourse in terms of records Kohli and ABD are superior to Steve smith in odi. Steve smith is only superior to both these 2 in every metric in tests.

However in terms of impact it's Smith > Abd > Kohli.

Kohli's biggest impact is that he managed to achieve multiple stat pad records. He managed to break sachin's century record in odi, Managed to get his man of tournament achievements, Managed to avg 50+ and maintain an impressive SR. And managed to perform extremely well in odi chases etc etc.

However his impact is hyped by Indian media in the same way rubbish players like laxman, Azhar, Ashwin are hyped up. Kohli and azhar aren't rubbish but their both overhyped beyond belief.

Abd on the other hand has the Mr 360 tagline + the fastest ever century which is a record thats damn near impossible to break.

Impossible to break records are automatically > Kohli's achievements as I guarantee you, Kohli's records will one day be broken as the game gets easier and easier in whiteball cricket for batsmen here on out.

The reason Steve smith is > These 2 is because while he's superior in tests and in odi yes his stats aren't on par with these 2.

He's actually won a world cup for his country, infact he more or less won it single handidely. He was pretty much dominating every team from India, to NZ to Pakistan etc. Infact the one game he didn't kick off which was against NZ in the group stages, Australia lost.

The fact he won a world cup for his country followed by a wtc automatically put him > Kohli and abd in impact.

Obviously lara, Kohli, De villers are > Smith as odi batters, but their impact is over glorified.

Infact WI fans don't even glorify lara in Odi's, they glorify him in tests only and rightfully so.

 

[mominsaigol]

If a player wins a wc for his country and a wtc, then their automatically > A player in terms of impact.

Thays a pure fact.

For example gilchrist, Travis and pointing are automatically superior to every single indian player in existence in terms of impact.

In terms of skill, kohli, Sachin and many others are superior but it doesn't change the fact that these guys won a cup for their country.

If this was an indian player who achieved this metric, you'd hear vvs laxman level nonsense about how their stats don't reflect this and that and why their the greatest of all time.

It's just Australia doesn't care much about cricket. Hilarious to see Indians cry and whine and still get whitewashed on home soil to a country that won't even bother advertising their victory on news outlets.

 

[Minnowbasher]

In ODIs he is still the GOAT. Considering his 2023 WC performance I think he should stay until 2027 WC.
In t20s hes retired and rightly so.

Test is the real format in question. He's like Babar these days and Babar got dropped so I don't see why Kohli can't. There's a danger that Kohli could become India's Azhar Ali - continuing to play only because of past performances and ending up with a pretty average record in test cricket.

Sometimes I wonder whether he really has the same commitment and drive that he used to have. Before he was always desparate to win everything. Now he doesn't seem as passionate naturally as he has achieved so much and is in his late 30s now. You'd almost want him to retire now so he doesn't become the villain that fans want out of the team. But anyway that's for him to decide. He's probably still good enough to make the side on merit.

 

[Champ_Pal]

He still is a good player. Not great like he used to be.

He should be judged and treated like any other batsman in the squad who face heavy competition from the bench warmers. Unfortunately, he is still treated like a superstar and hence is one of the first players to be named in the playing XI.

Indians and BCCI worship their superstars. This is why it is hard for them to drop big names. It has happened time and again with many big names in the past. I feel Kohli will stick around for another 2 years unless he gets dropped. Most Indian players do not know when to retire.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The amount of dross sweep shot and saigol have written on this thread really makes my head ache. What a load of rubbish, I left reading after these guys somehow declared that Laxman was a rubbish player.

Too much Naqashi and manipulation going on , bhaiyon maaf kardo

 

[mominsaigol]

The amount of dross sweep shot and saigol have written on this thread really makes my head ache. What a load of rubbish, I left reading after these guys somehow declared that Laxman was a rubbish player.

Too much Naqashi and manipulation going on , bhaiyon maaf kardo

I have dropped truth bombs. You need to accept it that your cricketing views are outdated

 

[DeadlyVenom]

With Rohit potentially missing the first two tests I believe that Kohli should captain India for those tests in the bGT.

 

[Varun]

I have dropped truth bombs. You need to accept it that your cricketing views are outdated

Drop another one: which year did you say you begun following cricket? 2012 was it?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No. Clueless posters said India would struggle without Virat and Rohit in the T20 side and we have transitioned from them with relative ease.

Same thing will happen in other formats too.

The worry is the pace attack. We had quite a bowlers to call on - Ishant/Bumrah/Shami/Umesh in India etc. and win Test matches.

I'm not sure we have multiple Test class pacers to call upon as we take time to develop them .

 

[RidiculousMan]

He should retire in Pakistan after CT25

 

[Cricket Warrior]

He should retire in Pakistan after CT25

That's more likely what he will do but he should also step aside from Test cricket now. He's just a burden at this point for team India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kohli was done three years back. But people have to understand how commercialization works in cricket. He is a cash cow. Rohit sharma too to some extent. So BCCI milked as much as they could from them. Indian lower order batsmen consistently bailed India out from tough situation. India could have lost the series to Australia but for Axar patel's batting. Yes. He was the best batsman that had a line up of Kohli, Rohit, Rahul. Because of this they turned a blind eye to these dead weights. Moment India's lower order did not show up, these over the hill players were exposed. It was waiting to happen. Aging lower order batsmen like Ashwin, Jadeja could not contribute much with bat. India lost the plot. The thing is just because a team keeps winning it doesn't mean there is no room for improvement. India had too many weaknesses which they failed to address even when they were winning. They were waiting for an historically epic thrashing. Even now they are not making changes. They give Rohit and Kohli one more chance. After the humiliation they will be dropped. Why not now. Why wait for the new series. Nobody can answer that.

 

[Vikram1989]

. They give Rohit and Kohli one more chance. After the humiliation they will be dropped. Why not now. Why wait for the new series. Nobody can answer that.

It's because every one from selection committee,management decided to sweep it under the carpet till now.As it's exposed now they cant take an immediate action as it will show them they know it but left purposefully. They can escape now under the last chance pretext and next test series is in June against eng in eng.Seniors can be selected for ct25 again under the pretext of farewell for the great careers.Everyone who helped seniors irrespective of their output can publicly denounce them after bgt humiliation and save their faces.Circle continues again .