Does Pakistan still produce faster pace bowlers than India?

[BreadPakoda]

Really want to know from both sides of the border.

India has produced Yadav (genuinely fast), Shami (fast medium), Bumrah (fast/fast-medium) and even Bhuvi has cranked up his pace. Then there are promising young bowlers in the under-19.

Pakistan on the other hand has Wahab Riaz who is definitely express pace but doesn’t play any longer, much like Varun Aaron. Amir has potential to crank up his pace when he wants to. Hasan is medium. Bhatti had pace but he too has faded away. Junaid is medium. Could be missing out on some.

 

[Rightarmfast]

No, Indian bowlers are much quicker and there are more than a few bowlers in the pipeline who bowl with genuine pace. Even Shami cant be called fast medium. He touches around 147-148k's in Tests! Thats genuine pace.

 

[Savak]

Nope. Domestic Pitches in Pakistan aid 120-125 km/hr trundlers and favor swingers over hit the deck seamers. When you have guys like Ehsan Adil, Hammad Azam, Asad Ali, Saad Altaf and co topping the domestic charts, you know you have a severe problem.

Even Misbah in a recent interview slammed domestic pitches and demanded that bowlers be made to really work hard for wickets.

 

[Sam99]

Umesh has lost some pace in year or so (or idk if he was out of rhythm). Shami was bowling faster tham umesh in last 1 year period. Bumrah is similar to pace of Shami in test cricket but he is young and has alot work to do and stay injury free in his peak.

From Pak side idk much as i don't follow alot of their cricket but Amir should be 140+ in test idk what's problem with him.

 

[BlackShadow]

No. The Times They Are A-Changin.

 

[Savak]

Umesh has lost some pace in year or so (or idk if he was out of rhythm). Shami was bowling faster tham umesh in last 1 year period. Bumrah is similar to pace of Shami in test cricket but he is young and has alot work to do and stay injury free in his peak.

From Pak side idk much as i don't follow alot of their cricket but Amir should be 140+ in test idk what's problem with him.

Indians play too much cricket. Their fast bowlers need to be preserved longer and should be compensated for playing selective matches in the IPL and should be rested for dead rubbers and rotated.

 

[Itachi]

Indians play too much cricket. Their fast bowlers need to be preserved longer and should be compensated for playing selective matches in the IPL and should be rested for dead rubbers and rotated.

Good point.

 

[Sher Khan]

Well, currently India has better express pace options. For Pakistan, the younger generation growing up haven't seen the likes of Wasim and Waqar. In front of them, are the likes of Wahab Riaz and Mohammad Sami- who despite bowling at a solid speed are hardly inspirational.

 

[Stark]

But this reminds me, those two chaps from the U19 WC squad looked promising.. esp Nagarkoti. He didn't had the height, but was quite zippy.

 

[DeadBall]

Depends, however I think the Japanese produce the fastest bowers.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Depends, however I think the Japanese produce the fastest bowers.

didn’t realise. Posting through phone while traveling.

 

[ExpressPacer]

The only quick bowler I've seen from India is Yadav, and he barely plays anyway. I personally think that Pakistani bowlers save their pace for important matches. For example, when Amir needs to, he bowls around 150 and even it. Hasan Ali also has the ability to bowl in the late 140's while Wahab can bowl pure express.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

No. Pakistan can't even produce a consistent 145kph bowler, lol.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Pace isn't everything. Id rather have BK type bowlers who are Fast Medium than Yadav/Wahab type phasst bowlers who gets tonks every single time.

 

[Sam99]

Pace isn't everything. Id rather have BK type bowlers who are Fast Medium than Yadav/Wahab type phasst bowlers who gets tonks every single time.

BK type of bowlers works only on Green top and is total flop on flat roads.

 

[BreadPakoda]

BK type of bowlers works only on Green top and is total flop on flat roads.

To be honest, Wahab/Yadav are flop on flat roads as well.

 

[Test champion]

To be honest, Wahab/Yadav are flop on flat roads as well.

Wahab/Yadav are more effective when reverse swing available

 

[Sam99]

To be honest, Wahab/Yadav are flop on flat roads as well.

Both are not as easy to play on flat road as bhuvi for any batsman.

 

[WengerOut]

BK type of bowlers works only on Green top and is total flop on flat roads.

And who else on that list excels in every condition?

 

[Sam99]

And who else on that list excels in every condition?

Right now i will say Bumrah & Shami are better when conditions are total Flat.

If batsman gets called flat track bully for performing mostly on flat tracks then bhuvi must be called green track bully (as of now)

 

[CanadianG00se]

BK type of bowlers works only on Green top and is total flop on flat roads.

BK is smart bowler, he will adapt if swing isn't available. He have recently developed a Knuckle ball which is similar to Knuckle ball pitch in baseball. Its mighty effective if used smartly. He have also added some pace to his stock balls, and can also bowl effective yorkers.

Beside BK, only Bumrah and Hasan are excellent LOIs bowlers from Asia.

 

[shahman1980]

unsure abt pak bowling factory but indian domestic ranji cricket is where the change is occuring
each ranji team has at least one 140 k bowler . Some like Jharkhand , Vidarbha and Kerala and Rajasthan have 2-3 each ( Ankit Rajput , Thampi , other Yadav ..)
There is very strong competition to get into national side . ipl allows them to get money which in turn allows them to keep fit better . all state teams have good cosches ( Vidarbha winning Ranji trophy ..)

bcci has created good support for junior cricket , under 19 and india a.

its been years in the making .. growing up seeing wasim waqar versus our prabhakars it used to be a dream to have quality pacers . now seeing south africa being ruthlessly slaughtered ( remember how donald pollock klussener used to hammer us ) is like a fairytale

 

[babajee]

BK is smart bowler, he will adapt if swing isn't available. He have recently developed a Knuckle ball which is similar to Knuckle ball pitch in baseball. Its mighty effective if used smartly. He have also added some pace to his stock balls, and can also bowl effective yorkers.

Beside BK, only Bumrah and Hasan are excellent LOIs bowlers from Asia.

BK... excellent LOI pacer who averaged 30+ in 2017, despite bashing SL.

Amir >> BK

 

[CanadianG00se]

BK... excellent LOI pacer who averaged 30+ in 2017, despite bashing SL.

Amir >> BK

His average is poor because in his days he was trundler and got smacked around on flat pitches. In 2015-2016 he transformed himself by adding some pace, and also mastered the art of bowling yorkers.

You can make fun of his average as much as you want. Unlike Amir, BK doesnt bowl negative back of the length to batsmen in fear of getting tonked.

 

[Sam99]

BK is smart bowler, he will adapt if swing isn't available. He have recently developed a Knuckle ball which is similar to Knuckle ball pitch in baseball. Its mighty effective if used smartly. He have also added some pace to his stock balls, and can also bowl effective yorkers.

Beside BK, only Bumrah and Hasan are excellent LOIs bowlers from Asia.

I thought you mean worse LOI player from Asia? surely an avg of almost 45+ against every top country isn't good enough to make you one of the best LOI player from asia. And those knuckle balls and all stuff works in t20 most times not in test cricket & even in odis unless batsman is trying to score fast runs.

 

[Sam99]

His average is poor because in his days he was trundler and got smacked around on flat pitches. In 2015-2016 he transformed himself by adding some pace, and also mastered the art of bowling yorkers.

You can make fun of his average as much as you want. Unlike Amir, BK doesnt bowl negative back of the length to batsmen in fear of getting tonked.

His avg since 2017: 38.33 (in 29 matches)

 

[CanadianG00se]

I thought you mean worse LOI player from Asia? surely an avg of almost 45+ against every top country isn't good enough to make you one of the best LOI player from asia. And those knuckle balls and all stuff works in t20 most times not in test cricket & even in odis unless batsman is trying to score fast runs.

In test series BK actually bowled really well. Yes in ODIs he was off colour, perhaps he should get some rest.
Even if BK is dropped/rest we have Shami to replace him if he is fit. Shardul Thakur looks medicore at best and should be nowhere near WC Squad. I wish selectors give chance to Khaleel Ahmed/Avesh Khan/ Nagarkoti. Even if they dont get a game will still do them lot of good being in a squad and bowling against Kohli/Dhawan/Sharma in nets.

 

[CanadianG00se]

His avg since 2017: 38.33 (in 29 matches)

Which other bowler in Indian lineup have made any impact whatsoever in Odis beside Bhumrah?
Shami maybe, but he is highly injury prone. Who else?


Our selectors have rigid thinking when it comes to introducing talented youngsters.

 

[Syed1]

Faster or not, a bowling attack of Amir, Hasan and Junaid is arguably the best in the world.

 

[Sam99]

Which other bowler in Indian lineup have made any impact whatsoever in Odis beside Bhumrah?
Shami maybe, but he is highly injury prone. Who else?


Our selectors have rigid thinking when it comes to introducing talented youngsters.

I am not saying replace him or anything else but all i am saying is he is condition bowler who can be good on some days. He is handy player (as bowler,batsman & fielder) so i won't have alot problem playing him in my xi but if you are playing pandya + bhuvi then your spinners will have to take alot wickets else chance to win matches looks hard.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I am not saying replace him or anything else but all i am saying is he is condition bowler who can be good on some days. He is handy player (as bowler,batsman & fielder) so i won't have alot problem playing him in my xi but if you are playing pandya + bhuvi then your spinners will have to take alot wickets else chance to win matches looks hard.

The real problem in our bowling line up is Pandya. Before every game, we arent sure if he would bowl his full quota or not which throws off our plan. I wish we can replace Pandya with genuine seamer for WorldCup maybe Shami or one of the youngsters.

Pandya should just play T20Is and overseas test.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Faster or not, a bowling attack of Amir, Hasan and Junaid is arguably the best in the world.

Not even

Australia's attack is far better if they all are fit

Starc/ Cummins/ Hazlewood

Even SA's attack of
Rabada/ Morkel/ Ngidi can challenge Pakistan's trio.

 

[Sam99]

The real problem in our bowling line up is Pandya. Before every game, we arent sure if he would bowl his full quota or not which throws off our plan. I wish we can replace Pandya with genuine seamer for WorldCup maybe Shami or one of the youngsters.

Pandya should just play T20Is and overseas test.

I will play Bhuvi & Bumrah/Shami as new ball bowler and bumrah/shami as 3rd change. Bhuvi is handy with new ball & even death overs & shami + bumrah are wicket takers and if your spinners do well then chance to win world cup is pretty high. But i don't see that happening as the chances of kohli dropping pandya is rare.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I will play Bhuvi & Bumrah/Shami as new ball bowler and bumrah/shami as 3rd change. Bhuvi is handy with new ball & even death overs & shami + bumrah are wicket takers and if your spinners do well then chance to win world cup is pretty high. But i don't see that happening as the chances of kohli dropping pandya is rare.

I have no problem Pandya playing as an batsman but him taking a spot as an allrounder means we expect 10 overs from him and thats where the problem lies. Even on his good days he will go for over 6/over in Odis with one or two wickets. Now you can imagine how poor he must be on his bad days.
@BhaagViruBhaag

 

[Syed1]

Not even

Australia's attack is far better if they all are fit

Starc/ Cummins/ Hazlewood

Even SA's attack of
Rabada/ Morkel/ Ngidi can challenge Pakistan's trio.

Oh please... Saffer attack is gully mohallah level. Morkel is dangerous on his day but is prone to being smashed around, I feel Rabada is very over-hyped, he isn't nearly as good as he made out to be. Early days for Ngidi.


The Aussie bowling attack is definitely very potent, but didn't they just lose 4-1 at home to the English. Says alot about their potency when they cannot even fire at home on the pitches that are most conducive for fast bowling.


Also I said arguably, so I'd rate the Aus and Pak attacks at about par, and one taking the edge over the other based on form and fitness.

 

[WengerOut]

Oh please... Saffer attack is gully mohallah level. Morkel is dangerous on his day but is prone to being smashed around, I feel Rabada is very over-hyped, he isn't nearly as good as he made out to be. Early days for Ngidi.


The Aussie bowling attack is definitely very potent, but didn't they just lose 4-1 at home to the English. Says alot about their potency when they cannot even fire at home on the pitches that are most conducive for fast bowling.


Also I said arguably, so I'd rate the Aus and Pak attacks at about par, and one taking the edge over the other based on form and fitness.

Are you talking about ODIs?

 

[Syed1]

Are you talking about ODIs?

Obviously

 

[IndianFan2018]

The only quick bowler I've seen from India is Yadav, and he barely plays anyway. I personally think that Pakistani bowlers save their pace for important matches. For example, when Amir needs to, he bowls around 150 and even it. Hasan Ali also has the ability to bowl in the late 140's while Wahab can bowl pure express.

Why didn't Amir and Hasan bowled fast and furious in 1 ODI at-least vs NZ to save Pak from getting white washed

 

[BreadPakoda]

Faster or not, a bowling attack of Amir, Hasan and Junaid is arguably the best in the world.

I’d say the best is Kiwi pace attack, then Aussies/Indians, then SA and then Pakistan. These are the top 5 attacks going around. Of course this is for ODIs.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Oh please... Saffer attack is gully mohallah level. Morkel is dangerous on his day but is prone to being smashed around, I feel Rabada is very over-hyped, he isn't nearly as good as he made out to be. Early days for Ngidi.


The Aussie bowling attack is definitely very potent, but didn't they just lose 4-1 at home to the English. Says alot about their potency when they cannot even fire at home on the pitches that are most conducive for fast bowling.


Also I said arguably, so I'd rate the Aus and Pak attacks at about par, and one taking the edge over the other based on form and fitness.

Aus did lose 4-1 so did Pakistan 5-0 against NZ.

One series doesnt make any team poor or best. I still think if Aussie trio perform to their potential can become absolute best in business.
Pakistan's problem is that their spearhead always bowls negative back of the length with new ball, instead of pitching it up and allowing ball to swing. Maybe he have the fear of getting tonked. If he fixes that issue then Pakistan's attack will look far better. But until then it just very economical but not the best

SA's pace attack is formidable maybe not the best but still very handy for asian teams.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Test pace attacks:
Aussie
England
India
Kiwi
SL/Pakistan/WI
Bangladesh

 

[CanadianG00se]

Test pace attacks:
Aussie
England
India
Kiwi
SL/Pakistan/WI
Bangladesh

England pace attack is very overrated and quite frankly conditions oriented. We saw in Ashes seried how they were getting tonked.
Anderson is on his last legs, Broad is blowing hot and cold, and Woakes is inconsistent.

In my view I'd rate the following attack for all conditions (Seam only)

Australia
South Africa
India
NZ/Pakistan
England
Sri Lanka
Windies
BD

 

[BreadPakoda]

England pace attack is very overrated and quite frankly conditions oriented. We saw in Ashes seried how they were getting tonked.
Anderson is on his last legs, Broad is blowing hot and cold, and Woakes is inconsistent.

In my view I'd rate the following attack for all conditions (Seam only)

Australia
South Africa
India
NZ/Pakistan
England
Sri Lanka
Windies
BD

Ah. Missed SA. Agree with SA being at 2. English attack is brutal in typical English conditions. Much like Indian spinners at home. No other attack comes close to the damage they can inflict. So I’d have them in top 3.

 

[Sam99]

I have no problem Pandya playing as an batsman but him taking a spot as an allrounder means we expect 10 overs from him and thats where the problem lies. Even on his good days he will go for over 6/over in Odis with one or two wickets. Now you can imagine how poor he must be on his bad days.
@BhaagViruBhaag

No bowler from current xi has world cup experience so i would add Shami/Umesh into my playing xi.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Ah. Missed SA. Agree with SA being at 2. English attack is brutal in typical English conditions. Much like Indian spinners at home. No other attack comes close to the damage they can inflict. So I’d have them in top 3.

Agree that English attack on seamer friendly conditions is beast, however when conditions offer nothing they are basically pop gun attack. In last 2 years or so, they have conceeded 600+ scores on 3 or more ocassions. That is a sign of bowling attack not good.

I thought we were rating bowlers for all conditions...

 

[CanadianG00se]

No bowler from current xi has world cup experience so i would add Shami/Umesh into my playing xi.

I do not agree that World cup experience should be required for players being selected in world cup squad. If a bowler is better than the one in playing XI then it makes no sense to keep him out.

Shami would also be my choice only if he doesnt breakdown in the middle of the WC specially if we reach final 4. U Yadav should just focus on red ball cricket.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Agree that English attack on seamer friendly conditions is beast, however when conditions offer nothing they are basically pop gun attack. In last 2 years or so, they have conceeded 600+ scores on 3 or more ocassions. That is a sign of bowling attack not good.

I thought we were rating bowlers for all conditions...

Fair point.
Although this thread is for speed. What is your take on that? Aussies gotta be the fastest.

 

[BlackShadow]

No no India is the best, greatest attack known to man.

False.

Then NZ, Aus, SA, BD, SL, Afg, WI, Ire, UAE............. then Pakistan

Almost correct if you take out minnows. Among major Test playing nations, this indeed is Pakistan's true place when it comes to fast bowling.

 

[babajee]

His average is poor because in his days he was trundler and got smacked around on flat pitches. In 2015-2016 he transformed himself by adding some pace, and also mastered the art of bowling yorkers.

You can make fun of his average as much as you want. Unlike Amir, BK doesnt bowl negative back of the length to batsmen in fear of getting tonked.

LMAO “Transformed” BK has equal stats if not worse to those he had before his transformation.

 

[babajee]

On song, no attack is better than Amir, Hasan and Junaid.

We saw this in the CT and will see it in the future

 

[CanadianG00se]

LMAO “Transformed” BK has equal stats if not worse to those he had before his transformation.

what are Amir's stats upon his return?
I dont think he is setting world on fire either.
CT final he was amazing but such performance are far too rare.

BK may or may not be best in world but he does the job for us

 

[CanadianG00se]

On song, no attack is better than Amir, Hasan and Junaid.

We saw this in the CT and will see it in the future

And also in NZ

#5-0

 

[babajee]

And also in NZ

#5-0

I clearly said, on song.

Junaid wasn’t there in NZ and Amir and Hasan were carrying niggles.

Anyway it was mainly our batting, we restricted them to chasable totals.

 

[babajee]

what are Amir's stats upon his return?
I dont think he is setting world on fire either.
CT final he was amazing but such performance are far too rare.

BK may or may not be best in world but he does the job for us

Amir’s stats haven’t been anywhere near as bad in LOI.

I don’t even know why BK is hyped so much. Amir at least before ban was the most exciting young pacer since Wasim.

 

[Gubol123]

Faster or not, a bowling attack of Amir, Hasan and Junaid is arguably the best in the world.

Sure.. Mostly Pak fans argue for that. Australia and SA have better fast bowling attacks and India has more balanced attack, probably the second best after Australia

 

[babajee]

Sure.. Mostly Pak fans argue for that. Australia and SA have better fast bowling attacks and India has more balanced attack, probably the second best after Australia

Your match winners are your spinners. Ours are our pacers and Shadab.

 

[WengerOut]

Sure.. Mostly Pak fans argue for that. Australia and SA have better fast bowling attacks and India has more balanced attack, probably the second best after Australia

Watch out the following comments

" When they are motivated , Pak bowlers are best "

" They are the most exciting"

" They have higher ceiling"

 

[sshakir411]

Hasan has easily clocked 145+ kph. I'm pretty certain he's hit 147kph numerous times...goes to show why Indians shouldn't be judge of phaaast bowling. Calling Hasan medium while Bumrah is fast/fast medium...what a joke.

 

[Bubby]

On song, no attack is better than Amir, Hasan and Junaid.

We saw this in the CT and will see it in the future

But which song, bol na halke halke aur chura ke dil mera goriya chali

 

[GBK_Fan]

The only quick bowler I've seen from India is Yadav, and he barely plays anyway. I personally think that Pakistani bowlers save their pace for important matches. For example, when Amir needs to, he bowls around 150 and even it. Hasan Ali also has the ability to bowl in the late 140's while Wahab can bowl pure express.

Besides Wahab, when was the last time Amir and Hassan bowled an entire over at 145+. Genuinely asking as they both seem to hover around the 140 mark with the occasional one hitting 145

 

[Hasan123]

There producing more intelligent bowlers. Not sure about fast.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I posted this in another thread also.

Whenever someone's questions Pakistan bowling resources Pakistan come up with another great bowler. There was a time when Cheema, Bhatti, Anwar Ali all of them were bowling together and fans were thinking Pakistan main talent khatam hai then suddenly they got bowlers like Irfan, Sohail, Hassan, much improved Junaid, Shinwari and Amir. Shaheen Shah will be Pakistan's next lethal weapon in cricket field.

The reason they aren't taking 200 wickets in test cricket because of the competition. Pakistan selectors have got too many bowlers to choose from just like India have got batsman. Pakistan has a pace bowling culture they will keep producing fast bowlers. Chances of Pakistan producing another Shoaib Akhtar are as good as India producing another Kohli. Don't worry about that.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistani bowlers and Indian batsman have that X factor. Indian batsman and pak bowlers can win a match on their own. How many times have we seen an Indian fast bowler running through opposition batting line ups? Especially in big tournaments and big matches our bowlers always choke. Example : 2003 WC final, T20 WC Final 2016, CT final 2017.

 

[Rayyman]

India is too obsessed with pace these days.

 

[Sachin136]

I posted this in another thread also.

Whenever someone's questions Pakistan bowling resources Pakistan come up with another great bowler. There was a time when Cheema, Bhatti, Anwar Ali all of them were bowling together and fans were thinking Pakistan main talent khatam hai then suddenly they got bowlers like Irfan, Sohail, Hassan, much improved Junaid, Shinwari and Amir. Shaheen Shah will be Pakistan's next lethal weapon in cricket field.

The reason they aren't taking 200 wickets in test cricket because of the competition. Pakistan selectors have got too many bowlers to choose from just like India have got batsman. Pakistan has a pace bowling culture they will keep producing fast bowlers. Chances of Pakistan producing another Shoaib Akhtar are as good as India producing another Kohli. Don't worry about that.

This is a very weird explanation. It certainly doesn't look like they have a surplus of great bowlers.

Despite the competition, Indian batsmen (like good batsmen and bowlers from all over the world) still manage to get a lot of runs. Kohli has 17000 international runs.

 

[pakistani pride]

His average is poor because in his days he was trundler and got smacked around on flat pitches. In 2015-2016 he transformed himself by adding some pace, and also mastered the art of bowling yorkers.

You can make fun of his average as much as you want. Unlike Amir, BK doesnt bowl negative back of the length to batsmen in fear of getting tonked.

Just ask Sharma how much back of a length Amir bowls.

I guess Sharma has nightmares from the full ball swinging and smashing his pads yet he cant do anything...

 

[babajee]

Just ask Sharma how much back of a length Amir bowls.

I guess Sharma has nightmares from the full ball swinging and smashing his pads yet he cant do anything...

BK may as well bowl back of a length... since he doesn’t take wickets either way

 

[Mamoon]

India is certainly leapfrogging Pakistan when it comes to fast bowling. You do not need to look further than that to realize the decline of Pakistan cricket.

Indian cricket has simply left us in its dust and the gap is only going to widen in the future.

 

[babajee]

India is certainly leapfrogging Pakistan when it comes to fast bowling. You do not need to look further than that to realize the decline of Pakistan cricket.

Indian cricket has simply left us in its dust and the gap is only going to widen in the future.

Bhai pace isn’t everything. If it was, then the likes of Lockie Ferguson would be the best bowlers in the world.

India have 2 world class pacers at the moment, Shami and Bumrah.

Let’s see how their U19 wonderkids do before seeing whether they are “leapfrogging” us.

On the other hand Pakistan also has some exciting prospects coming up too. No way have they overtaken us yet.

 

[Mamoon]

Bhai pace isn’t everything. If it was, then the likes of Lockie Ferguson would be the best bowlers in the world.

India have 2 world class pacers at the moment, Shami and Bumrah.

Let’s see how their U19 wonderkids do before seeing whether they are “leapfrogging” us.

On the other hand Pakistan also has some exciting prospects coming up too. No way have they overtaken us yet.

Indian bowlers are not only quicker but also smarter. They are better conditioned than their Pakistani counterparts. Indian cricket is on an upward curve and Pakistan cricket is on the opposite spectrum. Few years down the line, the gap between India and Pakistan in terms of fast bowling will be as great as the gap in terms of batting.

Pakistan should stop worrying about the likes of India and focus on teams like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. India, like Australia and England, are out of our league now especially in Limited Overs cricket.

 

[CadPakFan]

Why didn't Amir and Hasan bowled fast and furious in 1 ODI at-least vs NZ to save Pak from getting white washed

We kept them under 300 4 out of 5 times on schoolboy boundaries what else do you want?

 

[CadPakFan]

Pakistani bowlers and Indian batsman have that X factor. Indian batsman and pak bowlers can win a match on their own. How many times have we seen an Indian fast bowler running through opposition batting line ups? Especially in big tournaments and big matches our bowlers always choke. Example : 2003 WC final, T20 WC Final 2016, CT final 2017.

Well at U-19 level it looks like they have some good fast bowlers coming up, they had the best batting and bowling unit in the entire tournament.

 

[OoparCut]

Indian bowlers are not only quicker but also smarter. They are better conditioned than their Pakistani counterparts. Indian cricket is on an upward curve and Pakistan cricket is on the opposite spectrum. Few years down the line, the gap between India and Pakistan in terms of fast bowling will be as great as the gap in terms of batting.

Pakistan should stop worrying about the likes of India and focus on teams like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. India, like Australia and England, are out of our league now especially in Limited Overs cricket.

I think you are being overly pessimistic. Bowling is one of the most difficult physical sporting skills around, and still relies mostly on instincts and talent. While resources can be harnessed to polish the talent available, to improve actions, fitness, strength etc - you can still compete to a certain level on sheer instinctive talent.

Sure, overall, in terms of team strengths, you have a valid point about India's cricket structure and systems being on much more sounder footing, resulting in a much bigger and better player base. But I don't think you need to so pessimistic about bowling.

 

[babajee]

Indian bowlers are not only quicker but also smarter. They are better conditioned than their Pakistani counterparts. Indian cricket is on an upward curve and Pakistan cricket is on the opposite spectrum. Few years down the line, the gap between India and Pakistan in terms of fast bowling will be as great as the gap in terms of batting.

Pakistan should stop worrying about the likes of India and focus on teams like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. India, like Australia and England, are out of our league now especially in Limited Overs cricket.

And how are you making this judgement that they are smarter?

Lmao we would beat Bangladesh and Sri Lanka 8 times out of 10. More silly prophecies from you.

 

[Mamoon]

And how are you making this judgement that they are smarter?

Lmao we would beat Bangladesh and Sri Lanka 8 times out of 10. More silly prophecies from you.

And the team above us would beat us 8 times out of 10. We are a tier two team along with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and West Indies. New Zealand is in the "in-between tier" and South Africa seems to be heading that way as well.

However, both New Zealand and South Africa are better than us and would beat us in most series in any conditions. Speaking of Limited Overs of course, we will continue to be competitive against all teams in the UAE in Tests.

India is the only team that will annihilate us in Tests in the UAE.

 

[troodon]

Just ask Sharma how much back of a length Amir bowls.

I guess Sharma has nightmares from the full ball swinging and smashing his pads yet he cant do anything...

Rohit is a sitting duck against inswingers against any bowler at the beginning of his innings. He struggled against Boult too who took him out LBW or bowled with the inswinging delivery from left hand pacers. I remember Rohit struggling in IPL also against similar deliveries.

Rohit is not known for his technique and he needs a lot of luck in the first 20 balls he faces. If he survives, then he will go on to make a big score.

 

[Mamoon]

I think you are being overly pessimistic. Bowling is one of the most difficult physical sporting skills around, and still relies mostly on instincts and talent. While resources can be harnessed to polish the talent available, to improve actions, fitness, strength etc - you can still compete to a certain level on sheer instinctive talent.

Sure, overall, in terms of team strengths, you have a valid point about India's cricket structure and systems being on much more sounder footing, resulting in a much bigger and better player base. But I don't think you need to so pessimistic about bowling.

The signs are not good. Our fast bowling resources look are running out and India are producing them in big numbers. Their U-19 batch looks really good. They know what they are doing, while we continue to hope for talents to emerge at random.

 

[babajee]

And the team above us would beat us 8 times out of 10. We are a tier two team along with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and West Indies. New Zealand is in the "in-between tier" and South Africa seems to be heading that way as well.

However, both New Zealand and South Africa are better than us and would beat us in most series in any conditions. Speaking of Limited Overs of course, we will continue to be competitive against all teams in the UAE in Tests.

India is the only team that will annihilate us in Tests in the UAE.

We can thump SL, BD and WI day and night.

Do you think our performance in NZ was our best ability? Babar had a shocker and if he performed we would have probably lost 3-2. If Inzi selected a decent squad we could have even won the series.

We aren’t minnows at all.

 

[babajee]

The signs are not good. Our fast bowling resources look are running out and India are producing them in big numbers. Their U-19 batch looks really good. They know what they are doing, while we continue to hope for talents to emerge at random.

O bhai kaunsay fast bowlers? Pandya plays as their 3rd seamer

All their “resources” that have debuted so far have looked extremely average. E.g. like that Siraj guy who got tonked on debut.

 

[Mamoon]

We can thump SL, BD and WI day and night.

Do you think our performance in NZ was our best ability? Babar had a shocker and if he performed we would have probably lost 3-2. If Inzi selected a decent squad we could have even won the series.

We aren’t minnows at all.

We are not minnows but we are a mediocre side. Teams like New Zealand, India, England, Australia and South Africa will beat us more often than not. That is the definition of being mediocre.