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[JaDed]

The longer you live somewhere the more you assimilate. However in the eyes of Pakistani and Indian American females who were born in the US, there is no difference between those desis who came for a bachelors, and those who came for a masters degree. They are both seen negatively.

Lol why this specific reference to Desi Women?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Lol why this specific reference to Desi Women?

I should have mentioned i was referring to seeing them negatively in regards to dating/marrying.

So its desi women, because desi men born and bred in the west dont really have a problem dating/marrying a desi women who grew up in the subcontinent.

Various reasons why the west born and bred girls have a problem marrying subcontinent raised desi guys:

1 - Legal Status - They dont like people who dont have at minimum a green card trying to marry them to obtain legal status here. Does not help that some subcontinent guys have divorced their wives as soon as they got the green card.

2 - Accent. Alot of desi women dont like it. Australian accent is seen as sexy, the subcontinent accent seen as paindu in the eyes of women who are raised in the west.

3 - They feel that the culture gap would be too big. That since they cant speak the language that well, cant cook the food, they feel that could cause problems.

4 - That they on average are more conservative than guys raised in the west. They might make a big deal about their "prior experiences".

5 - They just hate the subcontinent culture, and they would like to marry out. They want nothing to do with things like living with in-laws. I know a lot of Indian and Pakistani girls here who only want to marry a white guy.

 

[JaDed]

I should have mentioned i was referring to seeing them negatively in regards to dating/marrying.

So its desi women, because desi men born and bred in the west dont really have a problem dating/marrying a desi women who grew up in the subcontinent.

Various reasons why the west born and bred girls have a problem marrying subcontinent raised desi guys:

1 - Legal Status - They dont like people who dont have at minimum a green card trying to marry them to obtain legal status here. Does not help that some subcontinent guys have divorced their wives as soon as they got the green card.

2 - Accent. Alot of desi women dont like it. Australian accent is seen as sexy, the subcontinent accent seen as paindu in the eyes of women who are raised in the west.

3 - They feel that the culture gap would be too big. That since they cant speak the language that well, cant cook the food, they feel that could cause problems.

4 - That they on average are more conservative than guys raised in the west. They might make a big deal about their "prior experiences".

5 - They just hate the subcontinent culture, and they would like to marry out. They want nothing to do with things like living with in-laws. I know a lot of Indian and Pakistani girls here who only want to marry a white guy.

Well don't we all want the freedom of western countries? Also if White guys are able to give them that then why not.

Before Desi women started marrying white men it was actually the Desi men who did the same.

on #2 I agree somewhat.

 

[ahsan17]

You feel they are not assimilated and they probably think those with your background are not assimilated. My bachelor's classmates who came to the US after their B-Techs are no less integrated than those who came for their undergrads.

Indian-Americans are very successful, they have the highest median household incomes followed by Taiwanese-Americans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Indians in general appear to stick to their community far more. Not sure if you have visited Fremont and Easy bay area of SF bay area. You will rarely see them with anyone else, except those Indians that were born and raised in the US.

S386 isn't supported by Indian Americans, its supported by people whose birth place is India and are in that line for GC and have no voting rights either. All that is fair and circumstantial but it's good to see them argue their case.

Hope that clears the situations. Indian Americans want good relations between America and India but they don't want more competition either, only ones who I see supporting this is Indian grocery stores.

Looking at reddit and teamblind, it seems like there is intense dislike for S386 and almost no one outside India wants it to become reality. The biggest concern being teams where Indians are majority. Honestly, the way some Indians talk about Pakistan, it would be every hard to expect impartial treatment from Indians especially during interviews. I mean, we've had people right on this forum tell us how Indians will make it hard for Pakistanis to land jobs in the US.

 

[Napa]

Indians in general appear to stick to their community far more. Not sure if you have visited Fremont and Easy bay area of SF bay area. You will rarely see them with anyone else, except those Indians that were born and raised in the US.

Big generalizations. "Indians in general appear to stick to their community far more". More than which other community?

Your observations of Fremont etc. doesn't count as a reliable source. I am quite impressed that you are able to make out which Indians were born in the US by simply seeing them, or did you ask them to fill out a questionnaire?

Generally Indians are social, that is why they succeed in managerial positions in corporations.

 

[JaDed]

Looking at reddit and teamblind, it seems like there is intense dislike for S386 and almost no one outside India wants it to become reality. The biggest concern being teams where Indians are majority. Honestly, the way some Indians talk about Pakistan, it would be every hard to expect impartial treatment from Indians especially during interviews. I mean, we've had people right on this forum tell us how Indians will make it hard for Pakistanis to land jobs in the US.

American citizens should obviously be the one to decide(which is not how American laws work though as big business do) ,it's upto them to hate it or dislike it but I appreciate that Indian borns are making a case for it without any voting power and opposition from Indian Americans as well.

Another thing neither Indian Americans nor Indians in India(except politicians maybe) really want this not sure why do you keep clubbing people, this is wanted by only Indian "born" (doesn't matter if you are a Singapore citizen) that are waiting in line for GC.

 

[ahsan17]

Big generalizations. "Indians in general appear to stick to their community far more". More than which other community?

Your observations of Fremont etc. doesn't count as a reliable source. I am quite impressed that you are able to make out which Indians were born in the US by simply seeing them, or did you ask them to fill out a questionnaire?

Generally Indians are social, that is why they succeed in managerial positions in corporations.

One can tell if they grew up in the US by simply talking to them. Look, the impression is that Indians got to managerial positions due to nepotisms. There are entire teams where the manager and 80-90% of the team is Indian. And this is not just coming from me - just check out reddit pages on immigration and cscareerquestions, and teamblind talking about Indian nepotism.

American citizens should obviously be the one to decide(which is not how American laws work though as big business do) ,it's upto them to hate it or dislike it but I appreciate that Indian borns are making a case for it without any voting power and opposition from Indian Americans as well.

Another thing neither Indian Americans nor Indians in India(except politicians maybe) really want this not sure why do you keep clubbing people, this is wanted by only Indian "born" (doesn't matter if you are a Singapore citizen) that are waiting in line for GC.

If I wasn't clear enough, I do want to clarify - yes I know it is basically only Indian-born H1B holders that really want this. I am curious to see how many H1B holders are left after all WITCH H1B holders are deported or forced to transfer their H1B to another company. It may dramatically decrease the number of H1B holders, and at that point we can see if S386 makes any sense, given S386 only benefits Indian-born H1B/L1 holders but hurts everyone else.

 

[JaDed]

One can tell if they grew up in the US by simply talking to them. Look, the impression is that Indians got to managerial positions due to nepotisms. There are entire teams where the manager and 80-90% of the team is Indian. And this is not just coming from me - just check out reddit pages on immigration and cscareerquestions, and teamblind talking about Indian nepotism.



If I wasn't clear enough, I do want to clarify - yes I know it is basically only Indian-born H1B holders that really want this. I am curious to see how many H1B holders are left after all WITCH H1B holders are deported or forced to transfer their H1B to another company. It may dramatically decrease the number of H1B holders, and at that point we can see if S386 makes any sense, given S386 only benefits Indian-born H1B/L1 holders but hurts everyone else.

S386 benefits Indian born that have applied I-140, Indian headquartered Consultancies apply very low %wise GC's(mostly ones having salary above 145k which as you know is low) compared to Silicon valley or even Indian-American consultancies due to which many of those on H1bs actually change the employer to either Silicon Valley ones or Indian-American consultancies.

https://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Tata-Consultancy-Services/528236.htm

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

S386 benefits Indian born that have applied I-140, Indian headquartered Consultancies apply very low %wise GC's(mostly ones having salary above 145k which as you know is low) compared to Silicon valley or even Indian-American consultancies due to which many of those on H1bs actually change the employer to either Silicon Valley ones or Indian-American consultancies.

https://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Tata-Consultancy-Services/528236.htm

Not really. Alot of these people in Silicon valley make more than that.

 

[JaDed]

Not to me

Lol, I meant the number of people in Indian headquartered consultancies with that salary are lower in number..

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Indians in general appear to stick to their community far more. Not sure if you have visited Fremont and Easy bay area of SF bay area. You will rarely see them with anyone else, except those Indians that were born and raised in the US.



Looking at reddit and teamblind, it seems like there is intense dislike for S386 and almost no one outside India wants it to become reality. The biggest concern being teams where Indians are majority. Honestly, the way some Indians talk about Pakistan, it would be every hard to expect impartial treatment from Indians especially during interviews. I mean, we've had people right on this forum tell us how Indians will make it hard for Pakistanis to land jobs in the US.

All immigrant communities do that. You think first generation Pakistanis dont do that?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Big generalizations. "Indians in general appear to stick to their community far more". More than which other community?

Your observations of Fremont etc. doesn't count as a reliable source. I am quite impressed that you are able to make out which Indians were born in the US by simply seeing them, or did you ask them to fill out a questionnaire?

Generally Indians are social, that is why they succeed in managerial positions in corporations.

By talking to someone for 5 seconds you can know, if they are an immigrant because of their accent. For people who have lived in the US a long time, then the accent goes away. Sometimes.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Lol, I meant the number of people in Indian headquartered consultancies with that salary are lower in number..

No. Sorry i read that wrong.

 

[ahsan17]

All immigrant communities do that. You think first generation Pakistanis dont do that?

Indians just appear to be on a different level to me, because there are so many of them in the US that it's easy to find other Indians.

S386 benefits Indian born that have applied I-140, Indian headquartered Consultancies apply very low %wise GC's(mostly ones having salary above 145k which as you know is low) compared to Silicon valley or even Indian-American consultancies due to which many of those on H1bs actually change the employer to either Silicon Valley ones or Indian-American consultancies.

https://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Tata-Consultancy-Services/528236.htm

You're right, based on this link, it appears they file 10-20% of I-140s:

https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2020-Green-Card-Sponsor.aspx

(I didn't bother computing the numbers, but it seemed like 10-20% based on quickly looking at the chart)

I am hearing conflicting info on the consulting companies - some people are saying those companies are supporting S386 whereas others are saying they are against S386. Do you have any info on that?

 

[JaDed]

Indians just appear to be on a different level to me, because there are so many of them in the US that it's easy to find other Indians.



You're right, based on this link, it appears they file 10-20% of I-140s:

https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2020-Green-Card-Sponsor.aspx

(I didn't bother computing the numbers, but it seemed like 10-20% based on quickly looking at the chart)

I am hearing conflicting info on the consulting companies - some people are saying those companies are supporting S386 whereas others are saying they are against S386. Do you have any info on that?

Indian headquartered consultancies won't support S386 for two reasons one is most Indians would leave them once they get GC second is some Democrat senator from Illinois wanted to put a restriction on H1b for those companies..% wise in that bill called H1b 50-50.

Indian American Consultancies are divided on the issue, the genuine ones(very few maybe 20%) want S386 because they pay well giving benefits and go by the book , along the lines like Kforce so employees usually don't leave them.

The other Indian American Consultancies shady ones that prey on Masters as well others(fault of both involved) they are against it coz S386 would make the employees of have no dependency and they would leave once they get the GC..

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Indians just appear to be on a different level to me, because there are so many of them in the US that it's easy to find other Indians.



You're right, based on this link, it appears they file 10-20% of I-140s:

https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2020-Green-Card-Sponsor.aspx

(I didn't bother computing the numbers, but it seemed like 10-20% based on quickly looking at the chart)

I am hearing conflicting info on the consulting companies - some people are saying those companies are supporting S386 whereas others are saying they are against S386. Do you have any info on that?

Before a Pakistani immigrant is married his/her social circle might be more diverse, but after married life from what i have seen is that they socialize predominately with other Pakistanis and Indian Muslims.

Its also easy to find Pakistanis in the US, at least in major cities. And even where the community is smaller, Pakistanis prefer to find other Pakistanis and Indian Muslims. And there is nothing wrong with that, as every immigrant group has done that in the US.