Dropped catches & 108 by Labuschagne takes Australia to 274/5 at Stumps (Day 1) of 4th Test vs India

[Swashbuckler]

Is this India’s next generation bowling attack?

Siraj is next gen, Saini will succeed Umesh and will be used sparingly.

Thakur, Natarajan, Sundar will never play test cricket again. They are playing because they are the only ones left in the camp, from the T20/ODI squads. All 3 are specialists in short format, especially Natarajan and Sundar. Sundar is from Tamil Nadu and hasn't played a Ranji match for over 3 years, there are at least 4 spinners ahead of him in his state in FC. Pity we couldn't fly in our proper FC bowlers in time, Prasidh, Porel, Warrier, Axar those guys. Partly blame the current situation worldwide, partly blame BCCI's lethargy.

Simply put Thakur and Natarajan aren't even among top 15 Indian FC bowlers, apart from the regulars that is. Look at the numbers of last few seasons. Sundar isn't the 4th best spinner in his state side, remember even Ashwin is from TN and isn't available for most domestic matches.

Kuldeep is in the squad, lovely wrist spinner. But they have preferred Sundar for his lower order batting. A mistake IMO since we are benching a specialist spinner for 20 odd extra runs with the bat. With the weather forecast, I think Rahane is playing for a draw from ball one, that could be the only explanation.

Kartik Tyagi too is in the squad. Tall, fast quick, best U-19 bowler in the world by a mile (based on most recent U-19 WC) but too raw for test cricket. He is the kid who injured Pucovski in the warm up fixture. He is a once in a generation talent, you'll hear more about him in 3-4 years time.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Seeing how Washington Sundar bowled today, Ashwin's injury is even more annoying.

 

[Swashbuckler]

How is it possible for an international side to be this poor in ground fielding and catching? Does our fielding coach have no accountability?

 

[Rightarmfast]

How is it possible for an international side to be this poor in ground fielding and catching? Does our fielding coach have no accountability?

They are busy putting a few pegs down with our bewda coach.

 

[andy0204]

Won't be surprised if all the players get injured by the end of the tour .

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

The Aussie team that is supposed to demolish the GOAT side of Aussie 2000s, is struggling against a club level attack at home. I've never seen them bat so slowly and defensively in their home ground. Aussies look so pathetic that Indian team that is playing in this test will probably whitewash them in India even without all those players.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Is this India’s next generation bowling attack?

Good grief, compare this lot with Shaheen or even Naseem.

India are really going to rely on Bumrah this next few years every time they play outside Asia.

Not that impressed with Indian pace bowlers, think some of our pro-India Pakistanis such as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] have been way overhyping them. They don't look any better than Pakistan's.

 

[Mobashir]

Not that impressed with Indian pace bowlers, think some of our pro-India Pakistanis such as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] have been way overhyping them. They don't look any better than Pakistan's.

Hard to compare with so limited data and even seeing them for such a little time but this indian attack was very very poor.
Their best weapon was to bore Australian with useless bowling.

 

[MenInG]

Not that impressed with Indian pace bowlers, think some of our pro-India Pakistanis such as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] have been way overhyping them. They don't look any better than Pakistan's.

Its the same "honorable draw" mentality that is pushed around when it comes to these youngsters.

 

[Mamoon]

Not that impressed with Indian pace bowlers, think some of our pro-India Pakistanis such as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] have been way overhyping them. They don't look any better than Pakistan's.

Not every Indian upcoming pacer will be the in the same league as Bumrah, Shami etc., but their reserve pacers are still miles ahead of rubbish like Naseem, Rauf, Musa etc. Only Shaheen is good.

Australia would be 350/2 against Pakistan first choice pace attack here, Indian reserves have reduced them to 274/5.

India is miles ahead of Pakistan in all departments in all formats at all levels. Pakistan can no longer compete with India.

 

[Mesozoic]

Not that impressed with Indian pace bowlers, think some of our pro-India Pakistanis such as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] have been way overhyping them. They don't look any better than Pakistan's.

The pace bowlers that played today all made their Test debuts in the current series. And Siraj and Natarajan have already looked a million miles ahead of Musa, Naseem and co....

Jasprit Bumrah
Ishant Sharma
Mohammad Shami
Umesh Yadav
Bhuvneshwar Kumar

These are the bowlers that were "hyped" and rightly so. They have been the best fast bowling group in the last 2-3 years. But who am I to spoil the little party?.

 

[Mesozoic]

Hard to compare with so limited data and even seeing them for such a little time but this indian attack was very very poor.
Their best weapon was to bore Australian with useless bowling.

I'd rather want a 270/5 with "useless bowling" than a 580/3 with jazba daleri filled phast bowling.....

Just saying. At the end of the day, to each his own I guess.

 

[Dingolfy]

How is it possible for an international side to be this poor in ground fielding and catching? Does our fielding coach have no accountability?

Australians also dropped plenty in MCG and Sydney.

 

[Saurav]

Advantage Aus but India are still in it.Will be happy if they fall below 400

But could have been so much better.Why didn't Kuldeep play.Surely a better spinner than Sundar?Whats the point of Thakur and Natarajan?Nattu got away with due to form but hes not a Test bowler

If you want batting ability,just play 7 batsmen and 4 best bowlers

 

[Saurav]

How is it possible for an international side to be this poor in ground fielding and catching? Does our fielding coach have no accountability?

Will surely be sacked if we lose this

 

[Saurav]

Siraj is next gen, Saini will succeed Umesh and will be used sparingly.

Thakur, Natarajan, Sundar will never play test cricket again. They are playing because they are the only ones left in the camp, from the T20/ODI squads. All 3 are specialists in short format, especially Natarajan and Sundar. Sundar is from Tamil Nadu and hasn't played a Ranji match for over 3 years, there are at least 4 spinners ahead of him in his state in FC. Pity we couldn't fly in our proper FC bowlers in time, Prasidh, Porel, Warrier, Axar those guys. Partly blame the current situation worldwide, partly blame BCCI's lethargy.

Simply put Thakur and Natarajan aren't even among top 15 Indian FC bowlers, apart from the regulars that is. Look at the numbers of last few seasons. Sundar isn't the 4th best spinner in his state side, remember even Ashwin is from TN and isn't available for most domestic matches.

Kuldeep is in the squad, lovely wrist spinner. But they have preferred Sundar for his lower order batting. A mistake IMO since we are benching a specialist spinner for 20 odd extra runs with the bat. With the weather forecast, I think Rahane is playing for a draw from ball one, that could be the only explanation.

Kartik Tyagi too is in the squad. Tall, fast quick, best U-19 bowler in the world by a mile (based on most recent U-19 WC) but too raw for test cricket. He is the kid who injured Pucovski in the warm up fixture. He is a once in a generation talent, you'll hear more about him in 3-4 years time.

Yes both Kuldeep and Tyagi should have played.Rather lose with them than T20 bowlers

 

[Saurav]

OTOH Ishant is fully fit and playing in SMAT trophy

 

[Dingolfy]

Yes both Kuldeep and Tyagi should have played.Rather lose with them than T20 bowlers

Tyagi is a kid with little FC. And he was blasted in the A series by Australian domestic batsmen. He is too raw at this time to debuted against quality international batsmen.

 

[Saurav]

Tyagi is a kid with little FC. And he was blasted in the A series by Australian domestic batsmen. He is too raw at this time to debuted against quality international batsmen.

Ishant debuted early too and had a great Aus tour.The spell to Ponting is still talked about


Atleast he has the pace and attitude of fast bowler.How are Thakur and Nattu better bowlers?

 

[Dingolfy]

Ishant debuted early too and had a great Aus tour.The spell to Ponting is still talked about


Atleast he has the pace and attitude of fast bowler.How are Thakur and Nattu better bowlers?

Ishant was much taller and faster and had a beautiful inswinger. Also he came into the limelight because he blasted through Ranji lineups. Took 68 wickets in 14 first class games.
Tyagi at this stage is nowhere near that. He isnt as tall as Ishant, not as fast and don’t have any other skills than a good bouncer. And I saw him bowling against Australia A and he was too raw. Pace alone won’t make you a good test bowler.

 

[NishanKonar]

Ishant debuted early too and had a great Aus tour.The spell to Ponting is still talked about


Atleast he has the pace and attitude of fast bowler.How are Thakur and Nattu better bowlers?

Natarjan & Shardul are lucky to get test caps due to so many injuries. They are basically T20 guys. Same with Sundar

Remember how Wrdidhiman Saha once played as a batsman in a test against South Africa bcoz our squad had too many injuries & not enough batsmen !

 

[Saurav]

Ishant was much taller and faster and had a beautiful inswinger. Also he came into the limelight because he blasted through Ranji lineups. Took 68 wickets in 14 first class games.
Tyagi at this stage is nowhere near that. He isnt as tall as Ishant, not as fast and don’t have any other skills than a good bouncer. And I saw him bowling against Australia A and he was too raw. Pace alone won’t make you a good test bowler.

All that is agreed.But how are Nattu and Thakur better than him?

He might not have done well,but would have been a good learning curve.Tyagi's the future anyway

 

[Saurav]

Natarjan & Shardul are lucky to get test caps due to so many injuries. They are basically T20 guys. Same with Sundar

Remember how Wrdidhiman Saha once played as a batsman in a test against South Africa bcoz our squad had too many injuries & not enough batsmen !

Kuldeep,Tyagi are available.Tyagi played the warmups and bounced Pucovski on a much flatter track than Gabba

 

[Rightarmfast]

Ishant was much taller and faster and had a beautiful inswinger. Also he came into the limelight because he blasted through Ranji lineups. Took 68 wickets in 14 first class games.
Tyagi at this stage is nowhere near that. He isnt as tall as Ishant, not as fast and don’t have any other skills than a good bouncer. And I saw him bowling against Australia A and he was too raw. Pace alone won’t make you a good test bowler.

Ishant's comparison doesn't prove that Natarajan and Thakur are better than Tyagi. They are not. Tyagi is raw and he has pace, and he has bounce. Good enough for Australian pitches. Under normal circumstances, you wont expose him to international cricket but when the going is tough and you are literally playing a T20 bowler, a net bowler in the main team, Tyagi would have been a better choice.

He had nothing to lose. The management has made a serious mistake.

 

[Dingolfy]

All that is agreed.But how are Nattu and Thakur better than him?

He might not have done well,but would have been a good learning curve.Tyagi's the future anyway

Because they are proven performers in our domestic and has more experience than him.Tyagi is young and will have many opportunities to prove himself.

 

[Rightarmfast]

The Pakistani posters who are trying to portray as if Thakur and Natarajan are our next gen bowlers, while knowing pretty well that they are no more than net bowlers for India, a big lolz to them.
The fast bowling deptt in India is very well covered. There are plenty bowlers who are way better than Shardul and Natarajan, just that they were not in the team.

But if that helps you sleep better in the false hope that India's reserves are worse than pakistan's, so be it

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not every Indian upcoming pacer will be the in the same league as Bumrah, Shami etc., but their reserve pacers are still miles ahead of rubbish like Naseem, Rauf, Musa etc. Only Shaheen is good.

Australia would be 350/2 against Pakistan first choice pace attack here, Indian reserves have reduced them to 274/5.

India is miles ahead of Pakistan in all departments in all formats at all levels. Pakistan can no longer compete with India.

You are right about one thing, Pakistsan can no longer compete with India, and judging by these bowlers, I can understand why the Indian govt has ensured this is so. Could easily see Pakistan racking up big scores against these guys, although Indian batsmen are certainly a class above Pakistan's. But wouldn't make much difference in a high scoring draw.

 

[Saurav]

Because they are proven performers in our domestic and has more experience than him.Tyagi is young and will have many opportunities to prove himself.

Domestics mean nothing when conditions are different.Horses for courses should be applied

We saw how Dhoni played Vinay and Unadkat based on FC experiences and how that worked out

 

[Dingolfy]

Ishant's comparison doesn't prove that Natarajan and Thakur are better than Tyagi. They are not. Tyagi is raw and he has pace, and he has bounce. Good enough for Australian pitches. Under normal circumstances, you wont expose him to international cricket but when the going is tough and you are literally playing a T20 bowler, a net bowler in the main team, Tyagi would have been a better choice.

He had nothing to lose. The management has made a serious mistake.

Dude, Tyagi is no express and was slower than Saini in IPL. And has no experience in first class cricket . I saw him bowl against the A team and he was all over the place. No country would debut such bowlers in Australia against the likes of Smith.

 

[Dingolfy]

Domestics mean nothing when conditions are different.Horses for courses should be applied

We saw how Dhoni played Vinay and Unadkat based on FC experiences and how that worked out

We don’t have any good horses at the moment and Tyagi is just a small pony at the moment.

 

[Dingolfy]

You are right about one thing, Pakistsan can no longer compete with India, and judging by these bowlers, I can understand why the Indian govt has ensured this is so. Could easily see Pakistan racking up big scores against these guys, although Indian batsmen are certainly a class above Pakistan's. But wouldn't make much difference in a high scoring draw.

Oh even these guys are good enough to take 20 Pakistani wickets.

 

[Saurav]

Dude, Tyagi is no express and was slower than Saini in IPL. And has no experience in first class cricket . I saw him bowl against the A team and he was all over the place. No country would debut such bowlers in Australia against the likes of Smith.

Was he slower than Thakur and Nattu?

And he hit Pucovski in that A game.And that track was much more placid than Gabba

 

[Saurav]

We don’t have any good horses at the moment and Tyagi is just a small pony at the moment.

Still better than donkeys

 

[JaDed]

Tyagi /Kuldeep should had played instead of Shardul; Rahane has gone for a draw and we will lose because of that mentality, say what you want I do believe its Kohli who does brings in fighting mentality, unfortunately he isn’t good tactically .

 

[Saurav]

Tyagi /Kuldeep should had played instead of Shardul; Rahane has gone for a draw and we will lose because of that mentality, say what you want I do believe its Kohli who does brings in fighting mentality, unfortunately he isn’t good tactically .

If he went for a draw,he should have played 7 batsmen

Atleast play 4 best bowlers

Kuldeep will feel insulted that T20 bowlers have played ahead of him

 

[Dingolfy]

Was he slower than Thakur and Nattu?

And he hit Pucovski in that A game.And that track was much more placid than Gabba

How does that matter? Saini is faster than Nattu and Siraj and he bowled worse than both.

And when did we start debuting bowlers because they hit one domestic batsman with a bouncer? He also went over 5 per over in the first innings against the same batsmen.

 

[Mamoon]

You are right about one thing, Pakistsan can no longer compete with India, and judging by these bowlers, I can understand why the Indian govt has ensured this is so. Could easily see Pakistan racking up big scores against these guys, although Indian batsmen are certainly a class above Pakistan's. But wouldn't make much difference in a high scoring draw.

India would whitewash Pakistan with the same set of bowlers. These bowlers will look like legends against Pakistani batsmen. Only 1-2 like Babar would fare well.

 

[sharmaji]

I hate it when catches are dropped. The fielding coach needs to be sacked!

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

If paine is scoring here then it must be a flatty.