"Due to the elections, there was no long-term planning. That was the tragedy" : PM Imran

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ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan Thursday said no nation could move forward without long-term planning and it was tragic that governments in Pakistan could not make long-term planning due to the general election every five years.

Addressing a function here in connection with documentary-drama (Paani ke Pankh), he termed the 10 years of PPP and PML-N governments from 2008 through 2018 the decade of darkness, marred by massive corruption, political expediency and inefficiency.

“When criminals become country heads, then no country can develop. So, one has to have faith in oneself. There are talented Pakistanis in every field outside Pakistan. The country’s system has to be fixed,” he said.

“It takes a little time; people should not worry that the change has not come yet. It takes time to change the mindset. It’s tragic that in our country elections are held every five years due to which we do not have a long-term plan,” he continued.

He said dams were built with a long-term plan and cited China as a country that is becoming the world's fastest growing economic power and superpower because of long-term planning.

“When we visited China, they told us what they were going to do in the next 10 to 20 years. No nation can move forward unless it has a long-term plan and thinks ahead. Unfortunately, we have a period of five years. We try to accomplish everything in five years, spend billions of rupees on advertisements and then fight elections on it,” he pointed out.

Imran believed that this handicap had done a lot of damage to Pakistan. “We have made decisions in a short period of time due to which we generate the most expensive electricity in the entire subcontinent. Whether we buy electricity or not, the agreements are such that in 2013 we had to pay Rs180 billion a month to the power producers as compulsory payment. When our government came, it was Rs500 billion,” he noted.

On power generation, the prime minister said in 2023, Pakistan would spend Rs1,500 billion on power capacity as compulsory payment whether it used it or not. Then he explained that there was a big difference in the use of electricity in winter and summer.

“If power consumption is around 24,000MW in summer, it plummets to 8,000 or 9,000MW in winter. This is because in winter we are not using electricity but we still have to pay and because of this electricity has become expensive. We have made a number of agreements in which we got the most expensive electricity in the world due to the short-term planning. There was corruption and there was a short-term thinking that the next election would be held and that we will win the election and move forward”.

After 50 years, he pointed out, the government decided to build two big dams. “Mohmand Dam would be built soon, which would have a positive impact on Peshawar and water problems would also be solved. Both the projects would generate clean electricity. The other thing is water storage because while moving forward Pakistan will face water problems that will affect our agriculture.”

He said when the PTI government came, there were Rs30,000 billion liabilities and loans were 25,000 billion. In our government, debt has gone up to $36 billion in two and a half years. 11,000 billion loans have increased in our era out of which 6,000 billion loans were paid as interest on old loans.

He went on to explain that the value of dollar went up from Rs105 to 160 causing automatic increase of Rs3,000 billion in loans without doing anything. The prime minister contended that the value of rupee did not fall because of the incumbent government and referred to a historic trade deficit with imports touching $60 billion and exports just $20 billion. Likewise, owing to the coronavirus, tax collection was less by Rs800 billion and a relief package was also given in the backdrop of the pandemic.

He said only a nation having self-confidence and belief in itself could rise but not the one that sought loans.

“We have to move towards a self-reliant Pakistan. Only a nation with a big thinking moves forward and not the one looking to please the world with a so-called soft image. We made a mistake to please the world and became part of others’ war though we had nothing to do with 9/11,” he maintained.

He also cited the term enlightened moderation introduced by General Musharraf while speaking against the soft image. “Remember, honor belongs to a man, who is self-sufficient. Experience, the poorest of the poor will be the man, who has honor and self-respect.”

He promised that the government would support the film industry which lagged behind copying the Indian content. Meanwhile, chairing the weekly meeting of National Coordinating Committee for Housing, Construction and Development, Imran directed that steps be taken on war footing against the illegal housing projects, especially the exploitation of overseas Pakistanis.

He regretted that the accumulated capital of the common man was lost, which needed immediate check. The meeting was given a detailed briefing on the steps taken against illegal housing schemes and constructions in Punjab and the federal capital.

“Protection of citizens, especially of the poor, is a top priority in promoting construction activities,” he maintained. He directed that the awareness campaign be intensified to ensure implementation of rules and regulations in the housing schemes and release of details about the illegal housing schemes on relevant websites to warn the public against sale and purchase in the illegal housing schemes.

Imran also chaired a review meeting of Ravi Urban Development Authority and Central Business District project here. He was informed that the Central Business District Plan (CBDP) had the revenue potential of $7.6 billion.

Governor Sindh Imran Ismail, Special Assistant Dr Shahbaz Gill, Chairman New Pakistan Housing Authority Lt Gen (R) Anwar Ali Haider, Chairman Ravi Urban Development Authority Rashid Aziz, Imran Amin and senior officials concerned attended the meeting.

Imran also chaired a review meeting on progress in measures regarding provision of health cards in Punjab. He was apprised of the recent approval by the Punjab Cabinet for provision of Universal Health Coverage to 100% of the population.

The meeting was given a detailed briefing on the progress made so far in providing health cards to 100 per cent of the population of Punjab by the end of this year.

Meanwhile, the prime minister chaired a meeting on the administrative matters of universities in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab as well as the quality of education, transparency in financial matters and implementation of merit.

It was decided that the prime minister will interact with the Ehsaas Programme beneficiaries during his visit to Sahiwal on Friday.

The prime minister will distribute cheques for interest-free loans and Ehsaas undergraduate scholarship among the selected number of deserving beneficiaries and students from Sahiwal Division.

Imran directed that besides appointment of expert and experienced people to administrative positions in the universities, a balanced and effective strategy be formulated for significant improvement in quality of higher education and administrative matters.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/781396-elections-every-five-years-a-tragedy-imran

Speaking like a man who isn't confident of his prospects in 2023.
 
He has lost the support of the public. The economy is in tatters, corruption has increased which we already knew but it has been confirmed by the latest Amnesty International report.

Basically, everything has gone backwards under this regime. They pulled off the greatest scam in history of Pakistan, but the public is now fed up with their lies, false promises and criticism of the previous governments.

They want results and Imran cannot give them that. He can only give words.

As far as election is concerned, he will win if he is still in the good books of his masters in uniform. If not, he will sent packing like others.

The real Pakistanis, the one living in the country and bearing the brunt of PTI’s performance, no longer have faith in him.

The end is near for PTI and Imran. This drama will end soon.
 
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He has lost the support of the public. The economy is in tatters, corruption has increased which we already knew but it has been confirmed by the latest Amnesty International report.

Basically, everything has gone backwards under this regime. They pulled off the greatest scam in history of Pakistan, but the public is now fed up with their lies, false promises and criticism of the previous governments.

They want results and Imran cannot give them that. He can only give words.

As far as election is concerned, he will win if he is still in the good books of his masters in uniform. If not, he will sent packing like others.

The real Pakistanis, the one living in the country and bearing the brunt of PTI’s performance, no longer have faith in him.

The end is near for PTI and Imran. This drama will end soon.

Yes, the drama will end on 31st of December of 2020 as Nooras, Bhuttos and their thieves promised. Oh, wait...

:yk
 
Speaking like a man who isn't confident of his prospects in 2023.

I mean if after all the evidence of thievery which has been uncovered recently, Pakistani people still vote for thieves then they deserve their rulers and all that comes with it ;)
 
Speaking like a man who isn't confident of his prospects in 2023.

I got the opposite vibe, he is preparing the public for another PTI term. He will be PM for a long time, whether it's through army interference, love from the public or a combination of both depending on how you view Imran. I reckon he will have 2-3 terms minimum depending on his health of course.
 
Dnt see pmln popular these days, PPP probably more popular than last time but wouldn't be able to challenge PTI in Punjab, it will come down to PMLN and PPP joining forces and with the mulana parties to muster up enough seats. This is what probably gives IK sleepless nights these days and will till the next election, he will be alone against every other party who will unite against him.
 
He has lost the support of the public. The economy is in tatters, corruption has increased which we already knew but it has been confirmed by the latest Amnesty International report.

Basically, everything has gone backwards under this regime. They pulled off the greatest scam in history of Pakistan, but the public is now fed up with their lies, false promises and criticism of the previous governments.

They want results and Imran cannot give them that. He can only give words.

As far as election is concerned, he will win if he is still in the good books of his masters in uniform. If not, he will sent packing like others.

The real Pakistanis, the one living in the country and bearing the brunt of PTI’s performance, no longer have faith in him.

The end is near for PTI and Imran. This drama will end soon.

Interestingly this must be one of the few times you agree with the Pakistani public. I hope you will also support the popular choice if the elections brings one of the old parties back to power. Or is your specialty constant complaints and no solution?
 
This guy is beginning to sound like a dictator he's complaining about elections every 5yrs.
 
The same corrupt lotas who served under PML-N and PPP are still working under his supreme party. Had not been these corrupt lotas, he would not have been able to pass on such statements as a prime minister.

Btw, it is 4 years in the USA they have been a superpower forever.
 
He has lost the support of the public. The economy is in tatters, corruption has increased which we already knew but it has been confirmed by the latest Amnesty International report.

Basically, everything has gone backwards under this regime. They pulled off the greatest scam in history of Pakistan, but the public is now fed up with their lies, false promises and criticism of the previous governments.

They want results and Imran cannot give them that. He can only give words.

As far as election is concerned, he will win if he is still in the good books of his masters in uniform. If not, he will sent packing like others.

The real Pakistanis, the one living in the country and bearing the brunt of PTI’s performance, no longer have faith in him.

The end is near for PTI and Imran. This drama will end soon.

He has your support, you voted for him.
 
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He has lost the support of the public. The economy is in tatters, corruption has increased which we already knew but it has been confirmed by the latest Amnesty International report.

Basically, everything has gone backwards under this regime. They pulled off the greatest scam in history of Pakistan, but the public is now fed up with their lies, false promises and criticism of the previous governments.

They want results and Imran cannot give them that. He can only give words.

As far as election is concerned, he will win if he is still in the good books of his masters in uniform. If not, he will sent packing like others.

The real Pakistanis, the one living in the country and bearing the brunt of PTI’s performance, no longer have faith in him.

The end is near for PTI and Imran. This drama will end soon.

He will win against your crooks. Tell us who your alternative is? Off course you won't, too much of a loser to tell us, why is that. Is it because whoever you seem to support ends up in jail or running off.
 
Interestingly this must be one of the few times you agree with the Pakistani public. I hope you will also support the popular choice if the elections brings one of the old parties back to power. Or is your specialty constant complaints and no solution?

Ask for his alternative and he runs like Usain Bolt. All he does is complain but not single alternative.
 
Dnt see pmln popular these days, PPP probably more popular than last time but wouldn't be able to challenge PTI in Punjab, it will come down to PMLN and PPP joining forces and with the mulana parties to muster up enough seats. This is what probably gives IK sleepless nights these days and will till the next election, he will be alone against every other party who will unite against him.

These crooks uniting is the best thing to happen to IK. It makes his job much easier. You have sleepless nights if you fear going to prison or your izzat is at stake. IK doesn't have that problem.
 
I don’t think imran is. But there can be a puppet dictator. The guy in Egypt now is another example sissi. Mubarak was also one
 
Nice masalaydaar title by ‘TheNews’ aka Geo… But he didn’t say elections themselves are a tragedy. Just need to watch the first minute of the speech.

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He said that due to the elections, there was no long-term planning. That was the tragedy.
 
A puppet dictator?
What on earth have you been smoking?

Puppet dictator lol ��

Have you been living under a rock? The term is used my journalist all the time. Shah of iran or mubarak are examples.
 
Have you been living under a rock? The term is used my journalist all the time. Shah of iran or mubarak are examples.

Exactly should have just did a Google search instead
Of the typical responses

Now it's making him look foolish :srt
 
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Exactly should have just did a Google search instead
Of the typical responses

Now it's making him look foolish :srt

Its a contradiction of terms. If you are a dictator then by its very nature you are a dictating terms, if someone else is doing the dictation, then you are not a dictator, you are a puppet.
 
Its a contradiction of terms. If you are a dictator then by its very nature you are a dictating terms, if someone else is doing the dictation, then you are not a dictator, you are a puppet.

(I am not that knowledgeable on this term) but from what I understand it's a term used for historically south american disctators controlled by US (making than puppet dictators)

And just like the word Banana republic and how it evolved from what it originally meant (historically used to describe south american countries controlled by american banana corporations to further thier buisness interests)

This term evolved into a strong man controlled by some other entitiy and not just US or even a foreign country (that entity can be anything) (meaning now a days it's not just associated with US allied dictators)

There's a article calling Trump a puppet dictator so clearly the term evolved into another meaning
 
Ask for his alternative and he runs like Usain Bolt. All he does is complain but not single alternative.

It is funny because most of the time he openly admits he despises the public, but when he thinks they might get rid of a genuine leader he is suddenly the man of the people. :91:
 
(I am not that knowledgeable on this term) but from what I understand it's a term used for historically south american disctators controlled by US (making than puppet dictators)

And just like the word Banana republic and how it evolved from what it originally meant (historically used to describe south american countries controlled by american banana corporations to further thier buisness interests)

This term evolved into a strong man controlled by some other entitiy and not just US or even a foreign country (that entity can be anything) (meaning now a days it's not just associated with US allied dictators)

There's a article calling Trump a puppet dictator so clearly the term evolved into another meaning

They can be puppets or dictators but not both and if someone did come up with, then it shows a total misunderstanding of the 2 terms. A puppet is totally controlled, a dictator totally controls. You can't be both.
 
A puppet dictator is someone who follows the orders of his masters but rules over his subjects with an iron fist.

For his subjects, he is a dictator; for his masters, he is a puppet; for everyone else, he is a puppet dictator.

What is so hard to understand?
 
A puppet dictator is someone who follows the orders of his masters but rules over his subjects with an iron fist.

For his subjects, he is a dictator; for his masters, he is a puppet; for everyone else, he is a puppet dictator.

What is so hard to understand?

One of the problems with that definition is that no one fits that description. Can you actually name a single person that fits that description.
 
Imran Khan

Well that makes no sense whatsoever.

You can argue he's a puppet leader but how can he be a dictator when:-

1. He ran in elections... fixed or not he won those elections;
2. Who is he a puppet of? Pakistani Army, USA or China? Whichever it is he can't be labelled a dictator.
 
Well that makes no sense whatsoever.

You can argue he's a puppet leader but how can he be a dictator when:-

1. He ran in elections... fixed or not he won those elections;
2. Who is he a puppet of? Pakistani Army, USA or China? Whichever it is he can't be labelled a dictator.

He reads the transcription of his master, Pakistan Army. He is a puppet dictator clothed in a Pakistani national dress in order to hypnotize an average Pakistani citizen. Pakistani public is gullible at best- they are only good at shouting slogans.
 
One of the problems with that definition is that no one fits that description. Can you actually name a single person that fits that description.


Noriega (Panama dictator)
A US puppet (before the trechory of turning away from US)
But a brutal dictator to his people where his word was the law of the land and no one could challenge his decisions
 
Noriega (Panama dictator)
A US puppet (before the trechory of turning away from US)
But a brutal dictator to his people where his word was the law of the land and no one could challenge his decisions

There is a simple test,to test your theory. Did he step down when they asked him because if he did then you have an example. Otherwise back to the drawing board.
 
Noriega (Panama dictator)
A US puppet (before the trechory of turning away from US)
But a brutal dictator to his people where his word was the law of the land and no one could challenge his decisions

A little elaboration

A puppet dictator cannot cross his overlords in areas important to them

so for example in Banana republic if that dictator interfere in Banana production than the overlords (US) would kick that dictator out
This makes him a puppet

But he likes corruption and the overlords don't care if he indulges in corruption or not its non of their business
but the Judge of that country thinks Hey this is wrong I want to punish him!

but as a dictator he would use his power to put that judge in Jail (independent of his overlords)
Making him a dictator
 
Whether elections are every 5 years is not really the key point. The key point is how long a leader can serve to make a difference.

In the UK, we had 3 General elections in the space of 5 years. However the UK system, along with Pakistan, is very simple. As long as the people vote for you, the PM will extend his tenure. This means leaders are motivated by success and are not limited by term time inorder to make a difference. The better you do, the longer you serve.

Blair/Thatcher voted thrice, and without doubt made the biggest difference to UK, especially through the economy.

In contrast, a US President is limited to 2 terms max, and this means every year is in effect election year. Once a President is in office, he's already thinking about the 2nd term, and once the 2nd term is in, he's lame duck. This is why nothing much is achieved and Presidents rely heavily on EOs; and reversals of previous administration policies.

Then you have the likes of Putin and Xi - you can say what you want, but under their 'dictatorship' tenure, both Russia and China have progressed beyond anyone's wildest dreams, simply because they have the time.
 
He reads the transcription of his master, Pakistan Army. He is a puppet dictator clothed in a Pakistani national dress in order to hypnotize an average Pakistani citizen. Pakistani public is gullible at best- they are only good at shouting slogans.

And I suppose you don't consider yourself belonging to that 'Pakistani public'. What does that make you ?
 
Although Imran Khan is a very unpopular leader right now, I expect him to win the next election. Simple because he has safeguarded the interests of the Boys and he is probably the only premier who have vehemently defended the Boys’ wrongdoings with so much zeal and zest although evidence suggested otherwise.

I remember, following the Asim Bajwa financial scandal, he told the media he had personally checked Asim’s financial records and they were in order. I wish I could also buy a Land Cruiser for Rs 3.5 million.
 
Although Imran Khan is a very unpopular leader right now, I expect him to win the next election. Simple because he has safeguarded the interests of the Boys and he is probably the only premier who have vehemently defended the Boys’ wrongdoings with so much zeal and zest although evidence suggested otherwise.

I remember, following the Asim Bajwa financial scandal, he told the media he had personally checked Asim’s financial records and they were in order. I wish I could also buy a Land Cruiser for Rs 3.5 million.

Care to explain the bolded part ?
 
He is an unpopular leader because of inflation, U-turns, verbal diarrhoea, incompetency, and mismanagement.

We can get into the whys later once you have established with arguments/evidence that he is unpopular.
 
Nice masalaydaar title by ‘TheNews’ aka Geo… But he didn’t say elections themselves are a tragedy. Just need to watch the first minute of the speech.

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He said that due to the elections, there was no long-term planning. That was the tragedy.

Changing title as vultures swarming.
 
Pakistan has done better under dictators.

Can anyone argue otherwise?
 
Was there not alot of hype around this guy

Was he not suppose to create a brand new country called "Naya Pakistan"

What happened to it?
 
He is an unpopular leader because of inflation, U-turns, verbal diarrhoea, incompetency, and mismanagement.

He doesn't seem unpopular to me?

The entire opposition has to embarrassingly unite and even then they seem hopeless
 
Pakistan has done better under dictators.

Can anyone argue otherwise?

The whole of PDM United can't argue otherwise.

Though that's because you have a party of a convicted criminals and corrupt family dynasties with no leg to stand on. Can you argue otherwise?
 
The whole of PDM United can't argue otherwise.

Though that's because you have a party of a convicted criminals and corrupt family dynasties with no leg to stand on. Can you argue otherwise?

Your assessment is correct but I am not from Pakistan :yk
 
What on earth is he talking about? If you were not prepared why were you making tall claims and doing me me me for years?

What was the point of doing the tabdeeli drama and scamming the nation?

People did not show faith in you so that you can spend 5 years doing rona dhona over the performance of the previous governments.

He in his 8th year of rule in KP and he has achieved nothing.

Imran has been badly exposed. He thought running a country was like captaining a cricket team, he overestimated his leadership and after getting a reality check, he has started to make embarrassing excuses to explain why his government failed to live up to the hype and expectations they created in the first place.

PTI has no future without Imran and the Imran experiment is over. The military establishment need to accept that they backed the wrong person.

He is not fit and qualified to be PM. He has no clue what he is doing and where he is taking the county. It is a rabbit in headlights type situation.

This is what happens when you spent years abusing and insulting other parties and leaders and don’t focus on what you are going to do when you have your chance.

By far the most incompetent and clueless PM the country has ever had. He can only offer words and U-turns to the nation, nothing else.
 
From “I will bring tabdeeli” to “who can run a country of 20 crore people”

The story of Imran’s political career.
 
The whole of PDM United can't argue otherwise.

Though that's because you have a party of a convicted criminals and corrupt family dynasties with no leg to stand on. Can you argue otherwise?

Afghan war= Zia
9/11= Mush
Ayub in an era where US used aid/money to strengthen alliances (kinda like what China is doing rn actually Chinese are cpying US playbook of building alliances) (although he was also a good president so I'll give him credit)

Indian congress was always corrupt and criminal but they stayed in power and stregnthed the democratic institution (even with than being boderline dictatorial but under than civilian institutions were given power)
Now thier economy is doing much better than Pak cause they took their time and built a Democratic system

Pak never went through that process due to constant interference from millitary

So you could see growth during US wars due to the aid but to keep it going and make it sustainable those democratic institutions were never stregnthed with long civilian rule

I can name you tons of western democracies where economy at the start was pretty bad but the stable rule and democratic institutions made than powerful (regardless of being corrupt cause I can also give you examples of corrupt early history institutions of western countries it's not that hard to find if you read history)

If you think a democracy at the start will never be corrupt/unstable/incompetent than I suggest read world history to understand it rather than trying to justify millitary rule that did nothing other than exasperating the problem because you never cleared the first step of long civilian rule that'll actually bring the long term stability
 
Afghan war= Zia
9/11= Mush
Ayub in an era where US used aid/money to strengthen alliances (kinda like what China is doing rn actually Chinese are cpying US playbook of building alliances) (although he was also a good president so I'll give him credit)

Indian congress was always corrupt and criminal but they stayed in power and stregnthed the democratic institution (even with than being boderline dictatorial but under than civilian institutions were given power)
Now thier economy is doing much better than Pak cause they took their time and built a Democratic system

Pak never went through that process due to constant interference from millitary

So you could see growth during US wars due to the aid but to keep it going and make it sustainable those democratic institutions were never stregnthed with long civilian rule

I can name you tons of western democracies where economy at the start was pretty bad but the stable rule and democratic institutions made than powerful (regardless of being corrupt cause I can also give you examples of corrupt early history institutions of western countries it's not that hard to find if you read history)

If you think a democracy at the start will never be corrupt/unstable/incompetent than I suggest read world history to understand it rather than trying to justify millitary rule that did nothing other than exasperating the problem because you never cleared the first step of long civilian rule that'll actually bring the long term stability

Your theory about democracy only has one problem, the parties that emerged in PK were family businesses and had no interest in democracy. In 10 years of democracy since 2008 our debt nearly tripled, what happened to the money? Did we build any long term beneficial infrastructure, you know things like Dams, reservoirs, sewage works, improved electricity grid lines etc. Nothing at all.
Its the reason I hate Mush, he had a great chance to do good, reform that IK is attempting but doesn't have the power to do. He could have changed our political culture instead the lower chose power over country and gave an NRO
 
He is an unpopular leader because of inflation, U-turns, verbal diarrhoea, incompetency, and mismanagement.

Excuse me? Verbal diarrhoea? Like your posts and baseless claims? That is pure and click all verbal diarrhoea, and on that topic, not one alternative name you can pick come close to the great IK!
 
What Imran Khan is saying that the weakness of the democratic system is that you dont focus on long term planning like dictatorships do. From the moment you are elected you need to focus on short term measures, instead of like dictators who can focus on things like 20 years from now.

In no way is he singling out his government.
 
From “I will bring tabdeeli” to “who can run a country of 20 crore people”

The story of Imran’s political career.

From going from 0 seats in 1997 to being Prime Minister in 2018. That is the story of his political career.

Ands that's not all. Picture abhi baaki hai mere dost. Imran will win again in 2023. And maybe in 2028.
 
Although Imran Khan is a very unpopular leader right now, I expect him to win the next election. Simple because he has safeguarded the interests of the Boys and he is probably the only premier who have vehemently defended the Boys’ wrongdoings with so much zeal and zest although evidence suggested otherwise.

I remember, following the Asim Bajwa financial scandal, he told the media he had personally checked Asim’s financial records and they were in order. I wish I could also buy a Land Cruiser for Rs 3.5 million.

What politician is more popular than him? Nawaz? Maryam? Bilawal? Diesel? Jibran Nasir?

That is why he will win again, there is no one better than him.

And once he fixes the economy, he will put the boys in their place. Like Erdgoan did in Turkey.
 
He reads the transcription of his master, Pakistan Army. He is a puppet dictator clothed in a Pakistani national dress in order to hypnotize an average Pakistani citizen. Pakistani public is gullible at best- they are only good at shouting slogans.

Rocky, why dont you tell us who should the public have voted for in 2018 if not PTI?
 
Dnt see pmln popular these days, PPP probably more popular than last time but wouldn't be able to challenge PTI in Punjab, it will come down to PMLN and PPP joining forces and with the mulana parties to muster up enough seats. This is what probably gives IK sleepless nights these days and will till the next election, he will be alone against every other party who will unite against him.

The only party who can beat PTI in 2023 is PML N, if they can somehow sweep Punjab. PTI are not losing Karachi or KPK. And PML N and PPP will never join together for elections. PPP would rather PML N be finished, as they would have a better chance of getting power once IK leaves.
 
What politician is more popular than him? Nawaz? Maryam? Bilawal? Diesel? Jibran Nasir?

That is why he will win again, there is no one better than him.

And once he fixes the economy, he will put the boys in their place. Like Erdgoan did in Turkey.

Andho may kaana raja! That is like choosing between diarrhoea and constipation.
 
From going from 0 seats in 1997 to being Prime Minister in 2018. That is the story of his political career.

Ands that's not all. Picture abhi baaki hai mere dost. Imran will win again in 2023. And maybe in 2028.

To become the PM, he destroyed his own ideology and the principles he established in the first place.

He promised the nation he will not align with the usual tried and tested failed politicians from other parties.

However, after getting a reality-check, he realized that he cannot win without this political class, so he started handing out party tickets to filth from other parties, politicians who did not represent tabdeeli and the political culture that he promised.

Imran’s political journey was never about him becoming the PM by hook and crook; it was about him bringing real change, something that he has failed to achieve.

Imran is a flop revolutionary with no identity and ideology left. PTI is a circus party and it will cease to exist after Imran is gone. These opportunist and turncoat politicians will be absorbed back into the parties they left in the first place or they will form their own small parties.
 
To become the PM, he destroyed his own ideology and the principles he established in the first place.

He promised the nation he will not align with the usual tried and tested failed politicians from other parties.

However, after getting a reality-check, he realized that he cannot win without this political class, so he started handing out party tickets to filth from other parties, politicians who did not represent tabdeeli and the political culture that he promised.

He realized that well before the 2013 election. And made it clear he is going to take electables. The nation would not have voted for him until these big politicians joined him. They gave him zero seats in 1997, one seat in 2002. It was only then they started taking him seriously.

No clean party will win in Pakistan.

Imran’s political journey was never about him becoming the PM by hook and crook; it was about him bringing real change, something that he has failed to achieve.

Yes it was. He would have cut a deal with Musharraf if he could have become PM.

The hope was once he becomes PM he can make real change. Time will tell if he will succeed.


Imran is a flop revolutionary with no identity and ideology left. PTI is a circus party and it will cease to exist after Imran is gone. These opportunist and turncoat politicians will be absorbed back into the parties they left in the first place or they will form their own small parties.


PTI has an ideology. Which is why they can win from across different ethnicities. PTI is the only party besides PPP in Pakistan which can do that. Their ideology is Subcontinent Muslim Nationalism as envisioned by Jinnah. You can read the PTI manifesto. They are going for Jinnah Pakistan.

Most likely PML N will be finished, and we will be left PTI as the right wing party, and PPP as the liberal one.
 
He realized that well before the 2013 election. And made it clear he is going to take electables. The nation would not have voted for him until these big politicians joined him. They gave him zero seats in 1997, one seat in 2002. It was only then they started taking him seriously.

No clean party will win in Pakistan.



Yes it was. He would have cut a deal with Musharraf if he could have become PM.

The hope was once he becomes PM he can make real change. Time will tell if he will succeed.





PTI has an ideology. Which is why they can win from across different ethnicities. PTI is the only party besides PPP in Pakistan which can do that. Their ideology is Subcontinent Muslim Nationalism as envisioned by Jinnah. You can read the PTI manifesto. They are going for Jinnah Pakistan.

Most likely PML N will be finished, and we will be left PTI as the right wing party, and PPP as the liberal one.

1. He should have realized it well before 2013. He wasted 15 years selling a dream that he was not capable of achieving. He was naive and delusional with an impractical dream.

A lot of people who supported him in the beginning left when he decided to take the electables route, because they realized that these people will never bring tabdeeli and they were right. PTI today is nothing like the party that Imran envisioned when he entered politics.

2. No he wouldn’t have. Imran at the time genuinely believed that he could become the PM with the vision he had established in 1995.

This belief that he will become the by PM by hook and crook and use the vote banks of corrupt politicians and use frauds like Jahangir Tareen as his sponsors and then bring tabdeeli is a recent one.

And people who warned him that it will not work were right. His government has been a disaster in KP since 2013 and it has been a disaster at the federal level since 2018.

3. Jinnah’s Pakistan was not made up of crook, frauds, gutter-mouth politicians with no intelligence. PTI’s only ideology is to take credit for everything good and blame others for everything bad. Unfortunately for them, the nation is not interested in this drama anymore and can see through their act.
 
1. He should have realized it well before 2013. He wasted 15 years selling a dream that he was not capable of achieving. He was naive and delusional with an impractical dream.

A lot of people who supported him in the beginning left when he decided to take the electables route, because they realized that these people will never bring tabdeeli and they were right. PTI today is nothing like the party that Imran envisioned when he entered politics.

He was but better late than never to realize it.

Also I dont think IK cares about the people who supported him in the beginning and who left him. He does not need them anymore.

2. No he wouldn’t have. Imran at the time genuinely believed that he could become the PM with the vision he had established in 1995.

This belief that he will become the by PM by hook and crook and use the vote banks of corrupt politicians and use frauds like Jahangir Tareen as his sponsors and then bring tabdeeli is a recent one.

And people who warned him that it will not work were right. His government has been a disaster in KP since 2013 and it has been a disaster at the federal level since 2018.

By supporting martial law and trying to negotiate with a dictator to make him PM is certainly a hook and crook.

https://nation.com.pk/11-Apr-2010/i-never-offered-premiership-to-imran-musharraf
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24f0bi


3. Jinnah’s Pakistan was not made up of crook, frauds, gutter-mouth politicians with no intelligence. PTI’s only ideology is to take credit for everything good and blame others for everything bad. Unfortunately for them, the nation is not interested in this drama anymore and can see through their act.

Jinnah united Muslims of different ethnicies, sects, socio economic backgrounds, and religiosity to vote for the Muslim League.

Thats what Imran Khan has done. And that is why he will win regardless of his performance in 2023. Even with mediocre performance, countless u turns, he is still the most popular political leader in Pakistan.
 
Afghan war= Zia
9/11= Mush
Ayub in an era where US used aid/money to strengthen alliances (kinda like what China is doing rn actually Chinese are cpying US playbook of building alliances) (although he was also a good president so I'll give him credit)

Indian congress was always corrupt and criminal but they stayed in power and stregnthed the democratic institution (even with than being boderline dictatorial but under than civilian institutions were given power)
Now thier economy is doing much better than Pak cause they took their time and built a Democratic system

Pak never went through that process due to constant interference from millitary

So you could see growth during US wars due to the aid but to keep it going and make it sustainable those democratic institutions were never stregnthed with long civilian rule

I can name you tons of western democracies where economy at the start was pretty bad but the stable rule and democratic institutions made than powerful (regardless of being corrupt cause I can also give you examples of corrupt early history institutions of western countries it's not that hard to find if you read history)

If you think a democracy at the start will never be corrupt/unstable/incompetent than I suggest read world history to understand it rather than trying to justify millitary rule that did nothing other than exasperating the problem because you never cleared the first step of long civilian rule that'll actually bring the long term stability

It is a common myth that US aid resulted in growth during dictatorial rule in Pakistan. In reality, the US assistance was too minuscule for considerable impact. Ishrat Hussain, while citing a 2007 study argues,

"...US's assistance as a percentage of Pakistan's total foreign exchange receipts was a paltry 4.5 per cent at its peak and, as a percentage of total budgetary expenditure, never exceeded over 7-8 per cent. These facts do not substantiate the widely-held myth that Pakistan's sustained high growth between 2002 and 2007 was made possible by massive foreign assistance from the US."


You have rightly pointed out that strong civilian institutions are required for prolonged growth and prosperity but you have fallen for the traditional narratives when analyzing the failure of the said institutions in case of Pakistan.

Civilian institutions in Pakistan mainly fall under civil services (judiciary upto an extent). Now under Ayub, CSP was considered 'the best in Asia' and they were the driving force behind economic growth during his tenure. Contrary to popular belief, military dictator Ayub strengthened civilian institutions (CSP officers were appointed as governers of East and West Pakistan along with other key posts). But the 'democratic' Bhutto rallied not only against Ayub but also the civilian bureaucrats and dismantled the structure of civil services at gaining power in the name of 'reforms', thus ruining the very foundation of strong civilian institutions laid by Ayub regime. Later, Zia and Musharraf took ad-hawk measures (due to absence of competent civil servants) instead of long ranging reforms to kick start growth. India on the other hand gradually strengthened its civil services not because their military wasn't adventurous but because the Nehrus and the Gandhis had no Bhutto to contend with. So this common assertion that military intervention blocked the growth of our civilian institutions is wrong imo.

This corruption argument is often presented to justify the corruptions of PML N and PPP. It is not a guarantee that democracies that are initially corrupt will always result in strong civilian institutions down the line. Fact is that at times corrupt democracies become so corrupt that they erode the very institutions they stand on, as happened during rule of N league-PPP with police, judiciary and other state owned enterprises.

All that is required is initial period of stability where the rulers understand the importance of civilian institutions, free market economy etc. Pakistan had two such rulers (3 if you count Liaquat Ali) but unfortunately, Quaid-e-Azam died early and Ayub's work was reversed soon after his removal. Now Imran Khan is our third chance but the institutions have so much eroded that it will take him atleast a decade to get them going.
 
Puppet or dictator, a person can't be both.
In Pakistan he's labelled as Taliban Khan or a Jewish agent. Can't be both.

His opponents can't seem to make their minds up, probably shows they haven't got a working brain between them.
 
1. He should have realized it well before 2013. He wasted 15 years selling a dream that he was not capable of achieving. He was naive and delusional with an impractical dream.

A lot of people who supported him in the beginning left when he decided to take the electables route, because they realized that these people will never bring tabdeeli and they were right. PTI today is nothing like the party that Imran envisioned when he entered politics.

2. No he wouldn’t have. Imran at the time genuinely believed that he could become the PM with the vision he had established in 1995.

This belief that he will become the by PM by hook and crook and use the vote banks of corrupt politicians and use frauds like Jahangir Tareen as his sponsors and then bring tabdeeli is a recent one.

And people who warned him that it will not work were right. His government has been a disaster in KP since 2013 and it has been a disaster at the federal level since 2018.

3. Jinnah’s Pakistan was not made up of crook, frauds, gutter-mouth politicians with no intelligence. PTI’s only ideology is to take credit for everything good and blame others for everything bad. Unfortunately for them, the nation is not interested in this drama anymore and can see through their act.

Forget about the long essays, why are you such a loser who can't name his leader. What are you waiting for? If its not IK,who is it?
 
LAHORE: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday said the five-year constitutional term was insufficient to plan big development projects as such schemes need continuity of policies.

The prime minister made these remarks while launching the countrywide spring tree plantation drive in the Miyawaki Urban Forest at Jilani Park in the provincial capital.

PM Imran was in Lahore on a day-long visit during which he also reviewed the political situation in the country’s largest province amid the upcoming Senate polls and chaired different meetings related to providing relief to the masses.

Speaking at the launching ceremony, he said that in a parliamentary democracy, elections were held every five years due to which big development projects could not be planned and added, “bringing about such magical change in five years was not possible in any part of the world”.

The premier said no country could secure a prosperous future by making planning for five years but rather long-term projects were needed for national development and prosperity. He also directed for swift completion of relief projects in Punjab.

‘Dream of new Pakistan materialising’

Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar called on PM Imran Khan and discussed the overall national political situation, party matters and a strategy to win the Senate elections.

Buzdar said the dream of new Pakistan was materializing under the leadership of the prime minister.

“Good times are knocking at our doors and Pakistan is heading towards its destination. The new Pakistan will charge ahead leaving the opponents far behind like always.”

He said former rulers spared no effort to damage Pakistan by ruining its economy.
 
Oh jeez I wonder if immu wants to be a dictator for life or something?

Cause plenty of democratic countries have 4-5 year term limit it hasn't stopped tham from devolping thier countries

Chal jhoote
 
Oh jeez I wonder if immu wants to be a dictator for life or something?

Cause plenty of democratic countries have 4-5 year term limit it hasn't stopped tham from devolping thier countries

Chal jhoote

Read the context. He was saying that govts last 5 years and think in those terms but country needs long term strategy. For example a Dam may take a 8 years to build but by the time it produces its fruits, it may be a totally different govt.Its sad that we have so many illiterate, thick people on here
 
Read the context. He was saying that govts last 5 years and think in those terms but country needs long term strategy. For example a Dam may take a 8 years to build but by the time it produces its fruits, it may be a totally different govt.Its sad that we have so many illiterate, thick people on here

Teri pooja karoo Ram immu... :jk
What difference.does.your explanation.make? Actually helping my argument...

Isn't it true that most democracies have 4-5 year term limits and are successful so he is making excuses like a pindi boy missing schools on a daily basis after poondies(because he was also busy watching ertagrul reruns instead of working..)? Yes!
Wasn't he starting all the projects for the good of the country rather than for votes so does it really matter if the project ends after he has left office? I don't think it should if he is the messiah

Btw lots of projects started under SS,NS did they refuse to take credit or do a opening ceremony cause they didn't plant the tree and it was a different gov? No infact they did huge cermonies and invited tons of pti members for the "celebration"
Long term planning bunch of hoax b* by Lord immu Christ to fool the people - if you're doing a good job people give you the time to implement if you're trash you get kicked out and not a given a seat at the table - simple democracy perform better or get kicked out cause plenty of countries have short term and long term policies you have to do both instead of crying... (This is how democracies work and most successful countries have that but instead of crying they adapt and perform...)
 
Teri pooja karoo Ram immu... :jk
What difference.does.your explanation.make? Actually helping my argument...

Isn't it true that most democracies have 4-5 year term limits and are successful so he is making excuses like a pindi boy missing schools on a daily basis after poondies(because he was also busy watching ertagrul reruns instead of working..)? Yes!
Wasn't he starting all the projects for the good of the country rather than for votes so does it really matter if the project ends after he has left office? I don't think it should if he is the messiah

Btw lots of projects started under SS,NS did they refuse to take credit or do a opening ceremony cause they didn't plant the tree and it was a different gov? No infact they did huge cermonies and invited tons of pti members for the "celebration"
Long term planning bunch of hoax b* by Lord immu Christ to fool the people - if you're doing a good job people give you the time to implement if you're trash you get kicked out and not a given a seat at the table - simple democracy perform better or get kicked out cause plenty of countries have short term and long term policies you have to do both instead of crying... (This is how democracies work and most successful countries have that but instead of crying they adapt and perform...)

What is thr single biggest issue that has led to many of other economic issues, yes its expensive electricity. On average our electricity is 33% more expensive than our neighbours, its the main reason we lost much our textile industry. What is the cheapest way to produce electricity in PK, even an illiterate losers will know that takes time, anything upto a decade. And how long does a govt last around 5 years, so what is the incentive for them to invest in something that another govt will take the credit for?
The only projects that started under the crooks were for commissions, they never did anything for the benefit of the country. Its the reason they are either in jail or on the run, If the country benefitted then it was a bye product not the driver.
The problem with our system is that we not a democracy in the sense understood in the West. Does the West have 2 opposition parties saving their loot, does the West have judges in the SC that members of the mafia, does the West have 80 members of the same family using the treasury as family piggy bank.
PK needs long term planning, not crooks that use every project to steal.
 
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