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England (221/3) comprehensively defeat Pakistan (158/8) by 63 runs; Lead series 2-1

This is the reality of Pak middle order, people were saying I was crying yesterday when i told your openers scoring will not solve any issues, they can't in every match and your rest of the batting order is almost ZERO impact
 
shariqnoor said:
There are two things Pakistan have never been able to play in its history: Proper Pace and Quality Spin.
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Which is an indication of the fact that Pakistan has always struggled to produce elite batsmen. Apart from one or two, our so-called best batsmen of any generation were merely decent by international standards.
 
How can we be relying on Khushdil and Iftikhar lol. Who are these chumps.
 
28 ball 50 for Masood.

We surrendered here in a pack as we usually do under pressure.
 
England batters all look like modern day batsman, playing ramp shots etc.

Tell me 1 pak player that plays unconventional shots, reverse shots or ramps?
 
Cric1234 said:
More like halva bowling or bust openers that love to bash weak bowling then go missing against any half decent attack.
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You are trying to hard to get some attention while repeating the same trash some others have been saying.
 
castortroy said:
England squad is ridiculous.

This, their B/C team have battered pak today
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Lol! Funny how every team is said to be B team when playing vs Pak. Bairstow injured, Roy dropped, Buttler on tour but injured, Livingstone injured. Who exactly is missing? They are playing the best players they have at their disposal.

Lets have a look at Pakistan for a change;
No Naseem, Shaheen, Shadab, Fakhar

So if its Eng B, its Pak B as well.
 
I know we had already lost by the time Nawaz came in but 18 off 18 balls in unforgivable
 
Yeah some of the pak batters may play the occasional ramp but it's not a natural shot for them.

In T20 you need unconventional batters who are specialist in these shots
 
castortroy said:
Yeah some of the pak batters may play the occasional ramp but it's not a natural shot for them.

In T20 you need unconventional batters who are specialist in these shots
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The Ayub guy was playing unconventional shots in the National Cup... Honestly can't do worse than this lot
 
Shan does not offer anything different Babar and Rizwan. He does not solve any problems.
 
Shan has cemented his place for WC now.

Khushdil, Qadir need to go.

Will give 2 more games to Haider as a last chance.

Abrar and Amir Jamal should play the next games.
 
NeVerMind said:
The Ayub guy was playing unconventional shots in the National Cup... Honestly can't do worse than this lot
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Mohammad Haris as well has some potential with the unorthodox shots but, still trying to find himself at international level.
 
Nawaz's painstaking knock comes to an end.

Poor show after inspiring confidence in his batting following that knock v India.
 
Ashmal said:
Shan has cemented his place for WC now.

Khushdil, Qadir need to go.

Will give 2 more games to Haider as a last chance.

Abrar and Amir Jamal should play the next games.
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I feel so sad about Haider. He looks way off.
 
Mamoon said:
Shan does not offer anything different Babar and Rizwan. He does not solve any problems.
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I agree but Shan is not competing with Babar and Rizwan. He's competing with Khushdil, Iftikhar. And based on today, he is miles ahead of them. Pakistan has 0 batsmen coming through who can play at 150+ SR from ball 1. So Shan is the best of the mediocres at the moment.
 
Two things noted here. Nawaz can’t bat even when there is no pressure. Usman can’t run to save his life.
 
Really impressed by Shan. I'd rather the team found another quality batsman for Australia than Babar and Rizwan chasing this total down again.

Babar, Rizwan and Shan can win us the WC, InshaAllah.
 
Can lament the batting, sure, it's pony...

But you can't be giving any line-up 220+ to chase. Not many line-ups would be backing themselves to chase that down or be expected to do so either, really...
 
shariqnoor said:
There are two things Pakistan have never been able to play in its history: Proper Pace and Quality Spin.
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Lol our batters are clueless against changes of pace by the pacers at the start, middle and end of the innings. We are way behind the top 4-5 in a lot of facets. Our domestic cricket structure is just not good enough.
 
Pakistan is making sure that KFC donate the highest possible amount for the flood victims. They are true patriots!
 
Sunzi said:
Can lament the batting, sure, it's pony...

But you can't be giving any line-up 220+ to chase. Not many line-ups would be backing themselves to chase that down or be expected to do so either, really...
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Show a proper fight, don't surrender and no one will blame. But the batting entirely refused to show up. That's not ok.
 
Sunzi said:
Can lament the batting, sure, it's pony...

But you can't be giving any line-up 220+ to chase. Not many line-ups would be backing themselves to chase that down or be expected to do so either, really...
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They can atleast get close ie 180-200 runs. Not every side can easily chase 200 plus but they get close and fall short by 20-30 runs, not by 70-80 runs.

These were excellent batting conditions and did not merit losing the game by 70 plus runs.
 
Shan Masood has now batted for 6 overs and is still struggling to time the ball and hit shots. Most top 3-4 teams have batsmen who the moment they get their eye in make merry.

Pakistan's batting is just not good enough overall for international limited over needs.
 
Titan24 said:
Lol! Funny how every team is said to be B team when playing vs Pak. Bairstow injured, Roy dropped, Buttler on tour but injured, Livingstone injured. Who exactly is missing? They are playing the best players they have at their disposal.

Lets have a look at Pakistan for a change;
No Naseem, Shaheen, Shadab, Fakhar

So if its Eng B, its Pak B as well.
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Exactly this ,and I also pointed this out when posters were calling them England Lions. In bowling England only missing Jordon who Pak have tgrashed plenty of time.
 
When's the last time Happy Heart, Chacha and even Asif ever score a 50 in an international T20?
 
Shan has been a beast in domestic T20 this season so not a surprise to see him play well. Similar ilk to Babar and Rizwan but at least he isn't a hack like the rest of the middle order
 
I made a foolhardy post yesterday after the euphoria of the win saying that the win only papered over the valid criticisms. Some people were upset by this, and said forcefully, this is it, this is the best we have, it's Babar and Rizwan or bust, who are the middle order players you'd bring in, name them, name them! It doesn't matter how often I or others mention potential players, the pretense is that there's no talent out there, there are no proper T20 players in the pipeline, and you just have to rely on superheroes to come through each time. Do you really want to build a team and a whole philosophy around Babar and Rizwan or bust? It becomes self-fulfilling, reminds me of Misbah's savior complex, there's nobody else who can play, so he has to come and do his thing, no matter how odd and out of sync. Respect the format or the format will do this to you.
 
ssuhaide said:
Shan has been a beast in domestic T20 this season so not a surprise to see him play well. Similar ilk to Babar and Rizwan but at least he isn't a hack like the rest of the middle order
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Strikes at 140 compared to Babar-Rizwan's 130 if I may add.
 
Savak said:
Shan Masood has now batted for 6 overs and is still struggling to time the ball and hit shots. Most top 3-4 teams have batsmen who the moment they get their eye in make merry.

Pakistan's batting is just not good enough overall for international limited over needs.
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He ended with a SR of 160+ and more than did his job. Not sure what you've been watching.
 
Marooned said:
Show a proper fight, don't surrender and no one will blame. But the batting entirely refused to show up. That's not ok.
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Savak said:
They can atleast get close ie 180-200 runs. Not every side can easily chase 200 plus but they get close and fall short by 20-30 runs, not by 70-80 runs.

These were excellent batting conditions and did not merit losing the game by 70 plus runs.
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Yes, agreed. Can't defend that - but I posted in the knowledge that our batting isn't very good beyond the openers, so whilst indefensible, it's not really a surprise there was no fight.
 
I'm not a fan of these back to back matches, we don't get long enough to savour the magnificent victory from last night. :mv
 
One thing is clear. If Babar/rizwan go bust , we cant score 150 , let alone 200. Bat first or chase. 150 -160 will not be enough to defend in Australia, our only hope is we bowl first and restrict opposition to 160 at max. We need to bring in Faheem Ashraf in place of Usman Qadir as 4th pacer in Australia and play him ahead of Nawaz
 
England came back strongly and poor captaincy by Babar allowing Duckett to settle in with spinners,and poor middle order meant Pakwerenevergoing to chase this once the openers went early. I haveno doubt Pakistan will bounce back from this in next match.
 
England were more determined to win and avenge their defeat from last night and that's exactly what they have done. Pakistan give all their best y'day nothing to show for Tonite.
 
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ssuhaide said:
Shan has been a beast in domestic T20 this season so not a surprise to see him play well. Similar ilk to Babar and Rizwan but at least he isn't a hack like the rest of the middle order
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Shan dominating the domestic T20 is a sad and bad reflection of the national T20 tournament because Shan at the international level is an anchor who can moderately up the ante if he gets his eye in but will not tee off with a SR of 180-200 plus to make it count at the end.

The fact we are unable to produce quality reliable striking batsmen who can mix up conventional and unconventional shots clearly shows the lack of quality in the tournament.
 
Terrible batting. After openers, no one else tried to chase this. Shan played a knock for his own. Rest all no words
 
Horrible performance that from Pakistan.

Looked absolutely hopeless and a team with no plan or co-ordination.
 
Asif Ali... Zero 50s in international T20
Happy Heart... Zero 50s as well
Chacha... Only one 50, 3 years ago

How can we expect miracles from the above if they don't have the ability?
 
Yet again, it is proved that unless Babar, Rizwan, or both of them produce batting masterclasses, this mediocre side filled with useless hacks will probably not play out 20 overs.

But yes, we can manage to fit in one more such brainless slogger at the top so that he can ruin the opening combination.

It's high time some braindead cheerleaders accept the fact that this T20I side is nothing if it is not carried by the openers.
 
I think on serious note Babar & Rizwan have to look into batting order
Only 5 times out of last 16 games they have crossed 30 as opening stand, middle order is not good & it is impacting team badly.

these are their partnerships in last 16 matches

V Bangladesh 12
V Bangladesh 16
V Bangladesh 32
V westindies 1
V westindies 158
V westindies 14
V Australia 67
V India 15
V hongkong 13
V India 22
V Afghanistan 1
V srilanka 28
V srilanka 22
V England 85
V England 203
V England 17

Average is 706/16 matches 44

But out of 16 only 5 times they have crossed 30.
 
The chase was over in the first 3 overs. Once the openers was gone, it was just a matter of stat padding for the others.
 
Savak said:
Shan dominating the domestic T20 is a sad and bad reflection of the national T20 tournament because Shan at the international level is an anchor who can moderately up the ante if he gets his eye in but will not tee off with a SR of 180-200 plus to make it count at the end.

The fact we are unable to produce quality reliable striking batsmen who can mix up conventional and unconventional shots clearly shows the lack of quality in the tournament.
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We do not have such batsmen anywhere in Pakistan so that does not make Shan's inning poor. His presence will atleast be better than useless 30s once in 20 innings by like of Ifti or Khushdil, or couple of 6s by Asif and out.
 
Waleed93 said:
Yet again, it is proved that unless Babar, Rizwan, or both of them produce batting masterclasses, this mediocre side filled with useless hacks will probably not play out 20 overs.

But yes, we can manage to fit in one more such brainless slogger at the top so that he can ruin the opening combination.

It's high time some braindead cheerleaders accept the fact that this T20I side is nothing if it is not carried by the openers.
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But openers won't click every match. What is the solve?
 
For a team that prides itself on having super quick bowlers, our batting is woefully clueless against 150+ kph pacers.
 
Saj said:
Horrible performance that from Pakistan.

Looked absolutely hopeless and a team with no plan or co-ordination.
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Kindly check the stats which i have just shared.

If a team with best 2 batters are only crossing 30 runs as opening stand (5/16) that gives an indication that opening stand is inconsistent, weak middle order + no late order strikers like umar gul rabada pat cummins.

Saqlain gets paid very well to dig in stats and analyze it seems he is not doing what he is suppose to do.
 
PakPremi said:
We do not have such batsmen anywhere in Pakistan so that does not make Shan's inning poor. His presence will atleast be better than useless 30s once in 20 innings by like of Ifti or Khushdil, or couple of 6s by Asif and out.
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And he scored 50 with decent strike rate in his 3rd match, something that Happy Heart or Asif have never done and Chacha with his one 50, 3 years ago...Shaan was performing at the T20 blast as well before he was pulled out to join the Pakistan squad
 
Just proves my point..

On the odd day we might score big but 150+/- is this team’s maximum batting potential on most days..
 
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