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England (246 all out) beat India (146 all out) by 100 runs in the 2nd ODI at Lord's

Nikhil_cric said:
It was a good delivery and I think he has bowled well and varied his pave and lengths well. Our best LOI spinner quite comfortably
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Overall he has bowled well in this ODI, no question about that.

However, he doesn't inspire much confidence, very hittable.
 
See even in these conditions he is getting tonked.
 
[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] - does British public now considers India tour as the most sought after series? Considering what they did in tests last year and now in white ball tour this time.
 
Can't believe such a lengthy batting line up implode time and t ime again. This time on a good batting track.
 
Livingstone threw it away...what kind of cricket was that?

Someone tell him...its ODI cricket with 50 over/side :facepalm:

Pandya has the last laugh though
 
Was just about to say short ball tactic was being overused but India followed a clear strategy to bowl short to Livingston and it pays off.
 
Some ridiculous batting from England has made indian tactics look even better
 
The devil is in english batters mind never in the pitch, Wow !! how dumb you have to be already scored 14 runs of the over. just take a single of the last ball.

Brainless stuff as livingstone was looking good
 
fight_club said:
The devil is in english batters mind never in the pitch, Wow !! how dumb you have to be already scored 14 runs of the over. just take a single of the last ball.

Brainless stuff as livingstone was looking good
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Was looking good but plays a very risky game..even by english standards
 
fight_club said:
The devil is in english batters mind never in the pitch, Wow !! how dumb you have to be already scored 14 runs of the over. just take a single of the last ball.

Brainless stuff as livingstone was looking good
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That is how they won the world cup. That is their religion now. May or may not come off all the time. Sure it works only flat tracks. This is somewhat a flat track apart from the slope.
 
England need to get in solid batsmen in middle order , against quality bowling they will be vulnerable
 
Prassidh shakes my head, the amount of catches modern cricketers drop are ridiculous, I think early 2000s was a better time for us.
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
That is how they won the world cup. That is their religion now. May or may not come off all the time. Sure it works only flat tracks. This is somewhat a flat track apart from the slope.
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You need to play according to situation , when you lose early wickets , need to try and bat out full overs , instead of 210 you can get 230 - 240
 
I feel absolutely no interest in ODIs anymore, maybe because Wc looks far away eventhough it’s only an year away.
 
Pandya has taken a bunch of wickets. The wickets hurt the english batting a lot but collaterally hurt feelings of some running brave running posters as well
 
Pandya much better bowler than Prasiddh (or any 3rd pacer in offer for India). Same was the case couple years back when he was fit and bowling in ODIs...
 
Villager6964 said:
Moeen Ali always have had the talent. England management has not done the justice to his talent.
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He has played 200+ internationals for England. What injustice are you talking about?

In fact I think he over achieved as a test bowler.

He is a good cricketer with a lot of flaws. Can’t play pace bowling, loi type dart bowler and an average fielder but also has some good qualities like timing and power hitting and can play spin. Decent bowler. That’s about it

His numbers are a fair enough indicator of his talent. In fact would have been more surprised if he was a 50 avg bat or a below 25 avging bowler.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That is how they won the world cup. That is their religion now. May or may not come off all the time. Sure it works only flat tracks. This is somewhat a flat track apart from the slope.
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Not really, There was a plan to play out all 50 overs. situation awareness take the Finals for example
Here they got a super pitch to bat on played out new ball and then threw away their wickets to nothing balls.

Surely, they are better than Sloggers of west indies
 
50 runs partnership so far , 200 up , these two need to go a bit deeper , 250 plus is on cards
 
We have unnecessarily made a hero out of Willey. Should not have been allowed to make so many runs in both the ODIs.
 
MP2011 said:
We have unnecessarily made a hero out of Willey. Should not have been allowed to make so many runs in both the ODIs.
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Going to respectfully disagree with you Bro.

Willey comes out in the top 5 for Yorkshire in white ball games (sometimes 3, sometimes 5) and is a handy bat.

8 is quite low for him.
 
James said:
Going to respectfully disagree with you Bro.

Willey comes out in the top 5 for Yorkshire in white ball games (sometimes 3, sometimes 5) and is a handy bat.

8 is quite low for him.
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Didn't know that. This English batting lineup is imposing, probably most imposing in the history of ODI cricket.
 
Decent innings from moeen. He is a very selfless player.
He never plays for records.
He should have stayed till the end though.
 
Average 1st innings ODI score at Lord’s is 238. Must be one of the lowest out there.
 
MP2011 said:
Didn't know that. This English batting lineup is imposing, probably most imposing in the history of ODI cricket.
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Yes he averages 25 in List A including 2 tons and 7 half centuries, not bad for an international number 8. He is an all rounder instead of a bowler I would say.
 
James said:
Average 1st innings ODI score at Lord’s is 238. Must be one of the lowest out there.
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This doesn’t look like a 238 pitch. Last 2 games have been 275-300 pitches which in modern context isn’t a regular loi pitch but there is something in there for every one.

English batsmen sorry to say have played like hacks even though the line up has some
Quality all condition players. Also add the relentless Indian bowling
 
Local.Dada said:
This doesn’t look like a 238 pitch. Last 2 games have been 275-300 pitches which in modern context isn’t a regular loi pitch but there is something in there for every one.

English batsmen sorry to say have played like hacks even though the line up has some
Quality all condition players. Also add the relentless Indian bowling
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No doubt the top order played in ordinary fashion.

England can get 250 here but I don’t think it will be enough. I’m thinking that would be about 25-30 runs short.
 
James said:
Will 250 be competitive or rubbish?
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2 new balls rule is enough to make 300 as par score in ODIs. Before that it was 250 (with 200 being threshold). Now 300 is a must and 350 is the safe score...

They have to move back to red ball and day matches OR do some innovation with new balls (like bringing the 2nd ball only @ 36th over OR bring a new technology with white ball or use pink ball)
 
James said:
No doubt the top order played in ordinary fashion.

England can get 250 here but I don’t think it will be enough. I’m thinking that would be about 25-30 runs short.
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250 means Indian batsmen do not need to take chance , they can milk the bowling easily.
 
MP2011 said:
Poor decision to ask Pandya to bowl at this stage?
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I think what happened is that Rohit used up some extra Bumrah overs instead of Pandya in the middle segment, because he wanted to bowl out England cheaply again.
 
England need 260 minimum to make a game out of it.

Even then, they are probably short by 30-40 runs.
 
Rohit Sharma is an extremely smart Captain (that's why he has so many IPL titles under his belt). Knows very much now that it is England's tail and doesn't overbowl Pandya. Also helps Prasiddh to get some kind of confidence...

Really he should have captained India for a longer stint (at least in LOIs) ideally should have taken up after Dhoni straight away. Kohli - as captain was more of a commercial stint (prime player at that point). Even in Tests credit should go to the team performance more (Jadeja/Ashwin combo at home, pace bowlers, Pant, etc)
 
What made overton take a single of the first ball. thats the sort of intelligence england batters have shown throughout the day. you never leave your stumps against bumrah end of inning nigh
 
English batsmen once again found Indian bowling too hot to handle as they folded out for 246.

It will be interesting to see if India will win by 10 wickets again or England will manage to take couple of wickets atleast?
 
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Poor underpar performance from India. Bowling was ok overall and carried by Chahal and Hardik. But the fielding/catching was pathetic. Should have restricted England to the 210-220 range. :inti
 
England's bowling attack is quite poor. Will be difficult to defend this target but this is cricket, anything can happen. :inti
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Poor underpar performance from India. Bowling was ok overall and carried by Chahal and Hardik. But the fielding/catching was pathetic. Should have restricted England to the 210-220 range. :inti
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It is a pretty deep batting line up. NOt a surprise there was a partnership. May be that dropped catch helped them with 20 to 30 runs.
 
Rajdeep said:
English batsmen once again found Indian bowling too hot to handle as they folded out for 246.

It will be interesting to see if India will win by 10 wickets again or England will manage to take couple of wickets atleast?
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one of those wickets is gone.
 
Good recovery from England after Hardik Pandya :inti and Yuzi Chahal ran through the strong England lineup. Now time for batsman to face the music and show off some guts to take us cross the line. Bowlers and the genuine all rounder Pandya have already done their job. :inti
 
Kohli is about 400 runs away from surpassing Jayawardene. He can then join the top 5 list (most ODI runs).
 
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