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England (387 & 192) defeat India (387 & 170) by 22 runs to take 2-1 lead in the 5-match Test series

root is the reason why joffra got injured
i remember well
in nz
he made him bowl like 50 overs in that one innings like a moron
 
They have to just tire him out (Jofra Archer). It is Scott Boland kind of relentless line & length bowlers (long-multiple spell kind of) who can trouble Indians... That guy was instrumental in bringing back BGT to Australia! (Also Cummins, Starc supported him well). I don't see any such threat in this English Bowling Lineup (Indians committed suicide with their batting in the 1st test - in both the innings. I hope they have learnt now.... Young team)
 
RamLakhan said:
They have to just tire him out (Jofra Archer). It is Scott Boland kind of relentless line & length bowlers (long-multiple spell kind of) who can trouble Indians... That guy was instrumental in bringing back BGT to Australia! (Also Cummins, Starc supported him well). I don't see any such threat in this English Bowling Lineup (Indians committed suicide with their batting in the 1st test - in both the innings. I hope they have learnt now.... Young team)
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Also they don't have Lyon either (their spinner is rubbish)
 
Lords is the most beautiful ground in the world.

Are Pakistan playing at Lords next year?
 
Jofra is done with his fluke opening spell I hope.
 
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kron said:
there is many waiting

jurel can bat himself
there is some other young talents waiting
even paddikal can bat
pradosh
tilak varma
sarfraz
ishan kishan
and more
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We can keep trying... We already tried some... Also it is No.3 (which is another critical batting position after Openers & No.4) which was donned by Dravid & Pujara for a long time!) We have been finding difficulty to pick player for No.6 position itself (and so we are picking extra bowler/alrounder)...

Jurel can be a good No.6 (but not No.3) or we may have to promote someone like Jadeja or Sundar at No.3 (but it may not work)
 
Bhaijaan said:
Jofra is done with his fluke opening spell I hope.

Now India can cart him around like a village donkey whole day
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India are trying to play him out, the same again in 2nd or 3rd spell.

But he souldnt bowl more than 4 overs in a spell imo
 
Jofra even clocked 150 kph on one ball. Can India keep making these guys come back for spell after spell.

That's the key. Forget about the score, just keep making them bowl
 
India need 550 for a sniff in this Test match. Don't see that happening.

KL be like "Beda, beda, beda" Don't want to run too much after being out out there for a long time by England.
 
KingKhanWC said:
This guy is nearly 34. Seems to have a good technique but looks like a bottler to me, well thats my feeling.
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lol. He is infuriating to some because he comes across as too chilled out. I think it will help that his city buddy is batting with him. They're even talking to each other in the local language, Kannada. Which is always nice to hear :love:
 
RamLakhan said:
They have to just tire him out (Jofra Archer). It is Scott Boland kind of relentless line & length bowlers (long-multiple spell kind of) who can trouble Indians... That guy was instrumental in bringing back BGT to Australia! (Also Cummins, Starc supported him well). I don't see any such threat in this English Bowling Lineup (Indians committed suicide with their batting in the 1st test - in both the innings. I hope they have learnt now.... Young team)
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i would always say boland and carse type bowlers can trouble india
need to watch out for carse too. tire him out
 
Devadwal said:
🤣🤣🤣 Bechara 1st test series 800 -800 kar rha hai . He forgets every attacks is not like his country Pakistan bowling attacks :kp
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Bechara, Sirf tab hi respond karta hai jab uss ko moqa mil jai.

Failed to respond to sachin avg 11 vs mcgrath and 23 vs anderson. Failed to respond to root scoring a century. And is a failure in general.
 
KingKhanWC said:
India are trying to play him out, the same again in 2nd or 3rd spell.

But he souldnt bowl more than 4 overs in a spell imo
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and he shouldnt
you dont play rolls royce for long spells or treat it like its uber in other words or for long distance travel

use in short bursts
 
mominsaigol said:
Bechara, Sirf tab hi respond karta hai jab uss ko moqa mil jai.

Failed to respond to sachin avg 11 vs mcgrath and 23 vs anderson. Failed to respond to root scoring a century. And is a failure in general.
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sacchu averages 11 vs mcgrath in tests? really?.
i thought he averaged 40 plus in aus when mcgrath played
that is terrible if true

23 vs anderson not surprised. he had issues vs him but he was past his prime though by then.

i feel even in his prime he would have struggled vs anderson type bowlers though.

donald too troubled sachin a lot. only averaged 30 vs donald. same vs wasim although wasim dint get him out much in tests.
 
kron said:
sacchu averages 11 vs mcgrath in tests? really?.
i thought he averaged 40 plus in aus when mcgrath played
that is terrible if true

23 vs anderson not surprised. he had issues vs him but he was past his prime though by then.

i feel even in his prime he would have struggled vs anderson type bowlers though.

donald too troubled sachin a lot. only averaged 30 vs donald. same vs wasim although wasim dint get him out much in tests.
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He avg 11 vs mcgrath and 36 vs Aus when Mcgrath played.

Never avg 40 vs aus when mcgrath was in the team
 
Out of the two teams, it is England which is playing with a cannot afford to lose attitude. They have not backed themselves to prepare green tops for their bowlers out of fear of Bhumrah, Siraj and Akashdeep.
 
mominsaigol said:
He avg 11 vs mcgrath and 36 vs Aus when Mcgrath played.

Never avg 40 vs aus when mcgrath was in the team
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that is pretty bad tbh
you cant be called goat then sorry

smith was already the goat anyway for me. but lmao 11

that is awful. i mean there is a reason why i never liked sacchu. like ever. stat padder.
 
Persistence with Chris Woakes is mind boggling. What does he offer with the ball exactly at 36? Is England playing him just because of some lower order runs? Extremely defensive mindset.
 
kron said:
and he shouldnt
you dont play rolls royce for long spells or treat it like its uber in other words or for long distance travel

use in short bursts
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Agree. But when you have an ace card up yourselves the temptation to keep him going is strong.

Carse is bowling beautifully here too.

I can sense a wicket coming soon
 
Savak said:
Out of the two teams, it is England which is playing with a cannot afford to lose attitude. They have not backed themselves to prepare green tops for their bowlers out of fear of Bhumrah, Siraj and Akashdeep.
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Green top days are gone in England, they want 5 days cricket for ticket sales. Besides with this heat, the grass would dry up in a couple of hours.

England bowling well here, need a bit of luck and this could start a collapse.
 
44 overs left for the day , 44/1 to say 180/3 would set up the game nicely for day 3 .
Anyone fancies a draw here ?
 
Human786 said:
44 overs left for the day , 44/1 to say 180/3 would set up the game nicely for day 3 .
Anyone fancies a draw here ?
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nha dont think so
india bat fairly deep till 8
if they can hold on and bat till late tomorrow and then score say 400 plus. then englan should be bowled out within 100 overs or so on day 3 and 4 combined, assuming india will put them in to bat late on day 3.

india should get 1 full day to chase whatever target england set. hopefully sub 250 score.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
India need 550 for a sniff in this Test match. Don't see that happening.

KL be like "Beda, beda, beda" Don't want to run too much after being out out there for a long time by England.
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In 1st Test India scored even more in their 1st innings and still lost... I think this test can head more towards Indian win or draw (if both India and England bat long in 2nd & 3rd innings respectively). England can win only if India collapse and don't reach near England total.
 
kron said:
that is pretty bad tbh
you cant be called goat then sorry

smith was already the goat anyway for me. but lmao 11

that is awful. i mean there is a reason why i never liked sacchu. like ever. stat padder.
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He avg like 20 vs Ambrose, 11 vs mcgrath, 20 vs Donald, 32 vs Murli, 24 vs wasim, 23 vs anderson etc etc in head to head match ups.

Even if you think thats unfair since bowlers tend to have an advantage in head to head direct matchups sachin doesnt avg 40 or > Against England, Pakistan, SA, or Aus anytime these boys were in the team.

He avg 32 to 36 against them.
 
use joffra for max 3 tests in ashes
will be exciting. use him for short bursts in the opening spells and then to clean up tail.

eng may finally have a chance to make it competitive vs aus this time i feel
 
mominsaigol said:
He avg like 20 vs Ambrose, 11 vs mcgrath, 20 vs Donald, 32 vs Murli, 24 vs wasim, 23 vs anderson etc etc in head to head match ups.

Even if you think thats unfair since bowlers tend to have an advantage in head to head direct matchups sachin doesnt avg 40 or > Against England, Pakistan, SA, or Aus anytime these boys were in the team.

He avg 32 to 36 against them.
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guess he survived vs them and just piled on runs vs weaker bowlers i suppose. honestly that is not impressive at all.

smith
gap
rest. dont care tbh. sacchu probably only top 5 in that case. 5th at best.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You can see Indian batters are leaning on the back foot against this pace.

Pace changes the science of batting.
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Tongue bowled at 94 moh as well. It is Archers movement that was impressive. Not the pace. He bowled much faster in India in the limited overs. Absolutely destroyed by every batsman
 
mominsaigol said:
He avg like 20 vs Ambrose, 11 vs mcgrath, 20 vs Donald, 32 vs Murli, 24 vs wasim, 23 vs anderson etc etc in head to head match ups.

Even if you think thats unfair since bowlers tend to have an advantage in head to head direct matchups sachin doesnt avg 40 or > Against England, Pakistan, SA, or Aus anytime these boys were in the team.

He avg 32 to 36 against them.
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@kron

Sorry i went back and checked. Before indian posters start accusing me of lying, he does avg 40+ when anderson played.

Against the rest its 32 to 36. But vs Anderson himself it was 23 avg. He was extremely poor at playing against anderson himself.

Against mcgrath it was hilarious.

History has swekewed reality of mcgrath vs Sachin ever being a thing. Sachin managed to one up mcgrath 2x in odi and thats it otherwise mcgrath schooled him their.

In tests their battle is as one sided as Bumrah bowling to a no 11 batsmen.
 
kron said:
use joffra for max 3 tests in ashes
will be exciting. use him for short bursts in the opening spells and then to clean up tail.

eng may finally have a chance to make it competitive vs aus this time i feel
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I doubt he can be consistent. You need to be good in all phases. Not just new ball.
 
Archer is a skillful bowler. Often under rated because of pace. Let us see how he goes in the rest of the match
 
Justcrazy said:
India are ahead in the game , England need to take quick wickets to be back in the game.
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India bats till 8. Bumrah and Akash can slog a few. Hope they don't gift the wickets to Bashir. If they earn it fair enough. Match on a knife edge as Pant seems in distress. Can he even bat?
 
mominsaigol said:
@kron

Sorry i went back and checked. Before indian posters start accusing me of lying, he does avg 40+ when anderson played.

Against the rest its 32 to 36. But vs Anderson himself it was 23 avg. He was extremely poor at playing against anderson himself.

Against mcgrath it was hilarious.

History has swekewed reality of mcgrath vs Sachin ever being a thing. Sachin managed to one up mcgrath 2x in odi and thats it otherwise mcgrath schooled him their.

In tests their battle is as one sided as Bumrah bowling to a no 11 batsmen.
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yea its awful. i put him at 5 now tbh after seeing these horrendous stats
cant call yourself goat with these pathetic stats vs top bowlers.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Tongue bowled at 94 moh as well. It is Archers movement that was impressive. Not the pace. He bowled much faster in India in the limited overs. Absolutely destroyed by every batsman
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Both bowled with extreme pace, two brilliant spells , unlucky not to get more wickets.

Will Stokes bring them both back on after a 20 min tea break? I doubt it but she should give them 3 over each right away.
 
Buffet said:
Bumrah can be better but hardly means Wasim/IK were garbage. Both were top class pacers. Both will be happy to see another Asian doing better than them. In fact, most players feel happy if younger generation becomes better and does well.
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Wasim +Imran khan are legend I respect them i said except them all bowlers from pak were bang average
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Archer is a skillful bowler. Often under rated because of pace. Let us see how he goes in the rest of the match
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Yah, his skill gets unnoticed at times because fans focus on pace. Hope to see him play 3 tests in next Ashes. He should be fully fit by then. He should bowl 4 overs spells and that's about it.
 
Buffet said:
Bumrah can be better but hardly means Wasim/IK were garbage. Both were top class pacers. Both will be happy to see another Asian doing better than them. In fact, most players feel happy if younger generation becomes better and does well.
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bumrah wasim are similar in level
imran slightly below
then shami waqar
followed by shoaib srinath zak vaas etc

asian goats
 
KingKhanWC said:
Both bowled with extreme pace, two brilliant spells , unlucky not to get more wickets.

Will Stokes bring them both back on after a 20 min tea break? I doubt it but she should give them 3 over each right away.
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Also his record against right hander is atleast 10 points worse than against left handers. He has three lefties that he will be bowling to. Sundar ,Pant, Jadeja.
 
Golu-momin said:
Wasim +Imran khan are legend I respect them i said except them all bowlers from pak were bang average
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Nah, Waqar/Asif/Akhtar were not bang average. They were good.

Bang average pacers avg in mid 30s.
 
i cant wait to see archer bowl here in aus
hope his body survives
4 over spells 4 times a day. max. maybe 5 sorry.

3 tests out of 5
 
Stokes as a captain needs to perform , his performance can lift the morale of the team , without that this bowling has no teeth . England will struggle in Ashes also. Anderson and Broad even today would be better than these toothless seamers.
 
Buffet said:
Nah, Waqar/Asif/Akhtar were not bang average. They were good.

Bang average pacers avg in mid 30s.
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controversial opinion i truly believe shoaib is better than waqar
shoaib had zero support in his prime and played on dead pitches.
 
mominsaigol said:
He avg like 20 vs Ambrose, 11 vs mcgrath, 20 vs Donald, 32 vs Murli, 24 vs wasim, 23 vs anderson etc etc in head to head match ups.

Even if you think thats unfair since bowlers tend to have an advantage in head to head direct matchups sachin doesnt avg 40 or > Against England, Pakistan, SA, or Aus anytime these boys were in the team.

He avg 32 to 36 against them.
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Post the link here pls, lets see if this is actually true.
 
Devadwal said:
He is liar. Sachin Tendulkar's Test match average against Glenn McGrath is 22.2. Sachin scored 7 test century in australia while Temu Sachin scored 0. :kp
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22.2 is still poor bro. anything under 35 is average
 
Devadwal said:
He is liar. Sachin Tendulkar's Test match average against Glenn McGrath is 22.2. Sachin scored 7 test century in australia while Temu Sachin scored 0. :kp
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It is 11. Check cricmetric.

Head to head. Also mashallah, you finally learned how to spell Liar
 
mominsaigol said:
It is 11. Check cricmetric.

Head to head. Also mashallah, you finally learned how to spell Liar
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www.thebridgechronicle.com

Glenn McGrath chooses ‘the-harder-to-bowl-to’ between Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara

<p>Tendulkar and Lara are two of the finest batters to have graced cricket. The duo ruled the batting charts in the 1990s and 2000s. Contrasting in styles, Tendulkar's batting was based more on technique, and his strength lied in consistency, whereas Lara was more about flair.</p>
www.thebridgechronicle.com www.thebridgechronicle.com

:kp
 
England will lose this series , because they are afraid to take a chance. They are afraid to have bowling friendly surface , because they know that their batting will not cope with that. On such docile surface , they expect uneven bounce on final day , but the issue is If India get 100 runs lead here , England themselves will be on back foot
 
Because of worst quality balls, even England may suffer (its not Indians crying, it is the bowlers from both teams who should cry)... Indian batsmen have understood that these pitches (already flat) won't trouble much with these soft-balls... They aren't going to make mistakes like they did in 1st test (hopefully)
 
Justcrazy said:
England will lose this series , because they are afraid to take a chance. They are afraid to have bowling friendly surface , because they know that their batting will not cope with that. On such docile surface , they expect uneven bounce on final day , but the issue is If India get 100 runs lead here , England themselves will be on back foot
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The ball has also played a role here... I don't think (in this age) they can manufacture such inferior quality balls... It should definitely be doctored... But I am not aware of what happened in series (in England) before this... Last time we toured there, this (ball) was definitely not an issue... Probably they cultivated this ploy as a part of their bazball plan moving forward...
 
Karun Nair has a golden chance here... If he clicks in this innings, he will earn management's belief on him...
 
Devadwal said:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 :kp
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Devadwal said:
www.thebridgechronicle.com

Glenn McGrath chooses ‘the-harder-to-bowl-to’ between Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara

<p>Tendulkar and Lara are two of the finest batters to have graced cricket. The duo ruled the batting charts in the 1990s and 2000s. Contrasting in styles, Tendulkar's batting was based more on technique, and his strength lied in consistency, whereas Lara was more about flair.</p>
www.thebridgechronicle.com www.thebridgechronicle.com

:kp
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Wow cool story bro, too bad Tenda avg 11 though :vk2
 
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