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England (539 & 299/5) beat New Zealand (553 & 284) by 5 wickets in the 2nd Test at Nottingham

Finally a wicket.

Blundell gone 405/5
 
At last lol

NZ trying to push the rate up against Leach and Blundell (good century!) balloons one to Stokes at mid-off.
 
the Great Khan said:
A better English spinner if there ever has been one since Swan is required here
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There isn't.

Swanny and Monty were abnormalities in the County system really. Doesn't throw up good spinners.

Oh, he's got Blundell!
 
Nikhil_cric said:
More than the pitch, there has been some criticism of this batch of Dukes balls and England have looked desperate while trying to change the first ball.

No matter how much Jimmy runs his hand through his hair and tried to use his hair product on the ball, it has simply refused to bend to his will.
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Like Jimmy is the only quick to touch his hair? Absurd mate.
 
Leach deserved a wicket, has really bent his back over the last 2-3 sessions for that one.

NZ will back their seamers but perhaps in hindsight they should have retained Ajaz.

Both teams misread the conditions.
 
Robert said:
There isn't.

Swanny and Monty were abnormalities in the County system really. Doesn't throw up good spinners.

Oh, he's got Blundell!
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You've had some leggies. No idea how to use, captain, develop them though. It's hard enough to find that in Oz.
 
Read Monty criticising Parkinson for bowling too slow the other day (read, flighting it).

Parkison bowls precisely in between the speed of Warne (1-2mph quicker) & McGill (1-2 mph slower)... suggests Monty has no idea even still about spin bowling.
 
wrongun said:
You've had some leggies. No idea how to use, captain, develop them though. It's hard enough to find that in Oz.
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The last good one was Johnny Wardle in the fifties who was a wrist-spinner and finger-spinner.

Nobody knows how to coach it, and the County system doesn't produce the hard decks that the wristy boys thrive on any more.
 
wrongun said:
Read Monty criticising Parkinson for bowling too slow the other day (read, flighting it).

Parkison bowls precisely in between the speed of Warne (1-2mph quicker) & McGill (1-2 mph slower)... suggests Monty has no idea even still about spin bowling.
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"Monty doesn't understand the LBW law, he never has" - Sir Geoffrey Boycott. You could see him appealing for balls that would have missed off-off-off-off stump.
 
Lunch. Kiwis 412/5 after being put in. Pouring it on.
 
Robert said:
The last good one was Johnny Wardle in the fifties who was a wrist-spinner and finger-spinner.

Nobody knows how to coach it, and the County system doesn't produce the hard decks that the wristy boys thrive on any more.
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Warne managed ok.

Rule of thumb- if it seams, it spins. Grass or moisture allows either to grip in.
 
Another solid session for the tourists.

600 the aim and then see what England are made of.
 
Monty is a proper oddball, he has his own vlogging channel which is just him acting strange in public and trying to interview people, and he was also on University Challenge recently representing Loughborough & just sat there silently throughout not answering any of the questions. (including the sport questions)

He seems to be academically clever and possibly on the high functioning end of the ASD spectrum, but not very socially aware or knowledgeable about cricket.
 
James said:
Parkinson is a maybe
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Thing is Warne was rubbish for 2 years in Tests. But everyone had seen him bowl a few "specials" in Shield & a single A Tour to Zimbabwe.

England need to back a spinner who might take some wickets at some point instead of thinking left arm trundlers who grab a charity wicket every 3 sessions are test match winners.
 
wrongun said:
Thing is Warne was rubbish for 2 years in Tests. But everyone had seen him bowl a few "specials" in Shield & a single A Tour to Zimbabwe.

England need to back a spinner who might take some wickets at some point instead of thinking left arm trundlers who grab a charity wicket every 3 sessions are test match winners.
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After 7-8 overs of Parkinson at Lord’s, Smart Man KP on commentary had already written him off as a dross bowler.
 
James said:
Monty is a proper oddball, he has his own vlogging channel which is just him acting strange in public and trying to interview people, and he was also on University Challenge recently representing Loughborough & just sat there silently throughout not answering any of the questions. (including the sport questions)

He seems to be academically clever and possibly on the high functioning end of the ASD spectrum, but not very socially aware or knowledgeable about cricket.
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Seems about right. He got really good at spinning a left arm orthodox + a simple plan/variation but didn't have much else up his sleeve ala match sense. Had trouble fitting in/felt bullied and then had some shocking anti social behaviour later... might fit the diagnosis but who are we to guess.
 
James said:
After 7-8 overs of Parkinson at Lord’s, Smart Man KP on commentary had already written him off as a dross bowler.
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I reckoned Glenn McGrath was a dead set plodder when I saw him debut as a kid. I mean he had nothing on Curtly Ambrose right!?
 
wrongun said:
Warne managed ok.

Rule of thumb- if it seams, it spins. Grass or moisture allows either to grip in.
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Lol never seen a spinner turn the ball on grassy wickets. You do not need a spinner on swing friendly tracks.
 
Robinson is hazlewood clone
Wood is starc clone
Stone is stone
No one is Cummins level from England but archer can be that man.

Interesting. 4 of England's best bowlers are not playing. Ok well 3. Stone is non existent. Woakes too.
So what do you expect will.happen? Huh?
 
wrongun said:
Read Monty criticising Parkinson for bowling too slow the other day (read, flighting it).

Parkison bowls precisely in between the speed of Warne (1-2mph quicker) & McGill (1-2 mph slower)... suggests Monty has no idea even still about spin bowling.
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Parkinson is too slow for test cricket. Average speed of 73 kph is extremely slow. Warne, even in his last couple of years, was 78-79 kph and Macgill was not much slower either.

Also Warne did not release the ball so high. He could put a lot of revs on the ball . Parkinson does not and I don't think he can with his current action. Needs more pace on the ball to compensate.
 
so when it does not swing and seam, both teams are not so good
When it does swing and seams in eng, both teams are not so good
Both teams arent hot against pace and bounce in aus
Both team arent flast agains spin in SC conditions
We ain't flast against Swing and revers in SAF conditions.

Why do we get bagged with HTB, FTB, cant play outside SC, poor tourists, they win becoz of their board, money & power give a favourable FTC, Every world cup itenary is favourable to us, the same old same old same old rinse repeat wake up day in day out?
 
Tea will now be taken at 15:10 and third session starts at 15:30
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
so when it does not swing and seam, both teams are not so good
When it does swing and seams in eng, both teams are not so good
Both teams arent hot against pace and bounce in aus
Both team arent flast agains spin in SC conditions
We ain't flast against Swing and revers in SAF conditions.

Why do we get bagged with HTB, FTB, cant play outside SC, poor tourists, they win becoz of their board, money & power give a favourable FTC, Every world cup itenary is favourable to us, the same old same old same old rinse repeat wake up day in day out?
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You watch NZ bowl England out tomorrow.
 
wrongun said:
Warne managed ok.

Rule of thumb- if it seams, it spins. Grass or moisture allows either to grip in.
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Not in England. You want a dry pitch for the spinners here.

Warne could have spun it on glass.
 
I didn't watch this yesterday because the Pak game was on but England have been quite flat today.

Looks like it was a poor decision to have a bowl.

Leach will get thrown under the bus but he's not been too bad.
 
England lack of spinners will keep hurting them , unless you get wicket taking spinners , you will not be a force in international arena.
 
Justcrazy said:
England lack of spinners will keep hurting them , unless you get wicket taking spinners , you will not be a force in international arena.
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Its day 2 of a test in which they decided to put the opposition in.

Leach isn't a world beater by any means, but if your 3 fast bowlers can only take 2 wickets between them on what the captain felt was a bowling pitch, then the blame should lie with them & the skipper. Not the spinner.

80mph up and down bowlers aren't gonna win you many test matches when the ball stops swinging.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Its day 2 of a test in which they decided to put the opposition in.

Leach isn't a world beater by any means, but if your 3 fast bowlers can only take 2 wickets between them on what the captain felt was a bowling pitch, then the blame should lie with them & the skipper. Not the spinner.

80mph up and down bowlers aren't gonna win you many test matches when the ball stops swinging.
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England have lacked proper test spinners throughout history , very few have left impact , you can count them on finger
 
Innings defeat is on the cards.

Leach should be banned from Test cricking.

Appalling bowler.
 
New Zealand cross 500! They are the first overseas side to reach the mark in England since Pakistan at The Oval in August 2016
 
Leach gets a 2fer !

Poor stuff from Kiwi trail - they should block and led the set batsman slog it.
 
Justcrazy said:
You need to see both teams bat before arriving at any conclusions , Kiwis have advantage , but pitch has no demons.
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As far as Leach is concerned, He is appalling, he is just a slow bowler no spin, little variation of pace he just bowls slower than others.

As far as the the pitch is concerned, Stokes made the wrong call at the toss.
 
Boult needs to give strike to Mitchel here , Mitchel needs to try and get some lusty blows.
 
Technics 1210 said:
As far as Leach is concerned, He is appalling, he is just a slow bowler no spin, little variation of pace he just bowls slower than others.

As far as the the pitch is concerned, Stokes made the wrong call at the toss.
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Maybe wrong call , but once you have made , you have to fight .
 
Hoping for a Leach 3fer and for him to help with a rear guard blockathon to draw the match.

It's been a while since we've had a good old fashioned blocking session by the English tail.
 
Terrific knock from Mitchell.He has set it up for the bowlers.
 
Justcrazy said:
England have lacked proper test spinners throughout history , very few have left impact , you can count them on finger
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Not many good ones in the last forty years since Underwood finished. Prior to that, there were plenty.
 
Robert said:
Not many good ones in the last forty years since Underwood finished. Prior to that, there were plenty.
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Underwood was good on wet wickets only , Swan was probably only after him who got wickets consistently in Tests.
 
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Ball of the Test match so far from Boult to dismiss Crawley. That was a peach
 
Lees dropped at slip!

Wonder what it is with this match and dropped catches.

Something about the conditions? (It’s windy)
 
James said:
Lees dropped at slip!

Wonder what it is with this match and dropped catches.

Something about the conditions? (It’s windy)
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So far in this game

6.1
Southee to Lees, no run, dropped by Mitchell at 1st slip

101.4
Jack Leach to Daryl Mitchell, FOUR, dropped by Potts at long-on.

43
Stokes to Daryl Mitchell, no run, oh dropped!

29
Broad to Nicholls, 1 run, dropped by Crawley at 2nd slip, diving across
 
Come on Ollie Pope.

You average fifty in first class cricket.

Show us what you can do.
 
England keep changing their openers because they are so mediocre.
 
England can collapse even on a road.

Zak Crawley isn't going anywhere as long as Rob Key is near selection.
 
England have done well so far , if they go to stumps with one down , they would be happy
 
You’ve got a start Alex Lees, time to go on now.
 
56/1

Commentators curse coming up here but……..

Pope looks good.
 
60/1

and the first attempt of many by NZ (a la England) to get the ball changed.
 
Wow, 6 for Pope.... keep calm lad, get to the close....
 
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Another dropped catch lol

2nd one for Mitchell after the keeper didn’t bother to go for it
 
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Glorious!
 
MenInG said:
So far in this game

6.1
Southee to Lees, no run, dropped by Mitchell at 1st slip

101.4
Jack Leach to Daryl Mitchell, FOUR, dropped by Potts at long-on.

43
Stokes to Daryl Mitchell, no run, oh dropped!

29
Broad to Nicholls, 1 run, dropped by Crawley at 2nd slip, diving across
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21.2
Boult to Pope, FOUR runs
Another drop at first slip by Mitchell!


What is going on lol
 
Let's see if Pope can lift his test average to 30.
 
Really nice late evening innings from the Pontiff.

Needs to convert it into a daddy hundred now.
 
MenInG said:
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What a player this lad could be. I think he just needs a couple of decent knocks to get his confidence up.
 
Alex has played with a very straight bat.

Really enjoyed watching him.
 
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