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England (539 & 299/5) beat New Zealand (553 & 284) by 5 wickets in the 2nd Test at Nottingham

Imagine Azhar Ali and Abdullah Shafique on this pitch ....now compare that with Joe Root and Pope
 
27th test hundred for Roooooooooot.

Extraordinary.

I have not seen an England batter play with such consistent excellence since Gooch in 2000-03. Or perhaps since late-noughties KP.
 
What a player! What a knock!

There was a time when he couldn't get close to a 100 but he has been absolutely churning them out recently.
 
After 12 wickets in 3.5 days of Test cricket, there'll be some criticism headed the way of the Trent Bridge curator.

However it also highlights the limitations of both attacks on a true surface with little sideways movement in the air. It partly explains why both England and New Zealand have often struggled in Australia or Asia.

Conditions like this cry out for raw pace or mystery spin - but either they're injured or out of favour with their captains.
 
27 Test hundreds.

Average back above 50.

We are watching an all time great of the game.
 
New ball taken.

NZ seamers bowling under 80MPH.

They will be tired.
 
Robert said:
27th test hundred for Roooooooooot.

Extraordinary.

I have not seen an England batter play with such consistent excellence since Gooch in 2000-03. Or perhaps since late-noughties KP.
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Gooch was pretty rubbish by 2000-03.
 
Robert said:
27th test hundred for Roooooooooot.

Extraordinary.

I have not seen an England batter play with such consistent excellence since Gooch in 2000-03. Or perhaps since late-noughties KP.
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Think you are talking about Thorpe?
 
Couple of quick wickets, Stokes batting with Root
 
Either Bairstow or Crawley at risk of being dropped for Harry Brook in Test 3
 
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Robert said:
I'm assuming that you are very young. I am not. My Dad watched Hutton and Compton bat against Lindwall and Miller, and he saw a player stretchered off. So 1954 doesn't seem long ago to me. There have always been bowlers capable of breaking bones - read about the Bodyline Series 1932/3.

I would counsel you that in another forty years you will be telling youngsters how fast Shoaib Ahktar was, and they won't believe you because that was before whatever the latest gadget is, and they will tell you to stop embarrassing yourself because they know better than you.
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not really. my dad is old too. he has seen these frauds play. frank tyson was fast. lindwall was a shortie with very little bounce.

Back in the days, there was very little protection, ofcourse batsmen would be more prone to getting injured. its just simple logic.

imagine curent bowlers bowling to those old gen players with no protective gear etc. it would be a blood bath.
 
Stokes holes out for 46 (33), quick and brutal.
 
Michael Bracewell bowling some quite handy offspinners here.

First notable signs of some turn and variable bounce on this pitch. Spat away for 4 byes.
 
NZ - 553
ENG - 447/5 (106.0)

CRR: 4.18

Ben Foakes 19* (44)
Joe Root 143* (177)
 
England have scored over 370 runs today already lol, that’s crazy.
 
383 runs scored off 88 overs from England today, aggressive and absolutely dominant with the bat — a very solid performance.
 
<b>New Zealand v England: Day Three Report</b>

<I><b>Joe Root & Ollie Pope make superb hundreds</I></b>

Scintillating centuries from Joe Root and Ollie Pope kept England well in the second Test against New Zealand on a riotous third day at Trent Bridge.

Root, in form far beyond anyone else in the world, is 163 not out, while Pope vindicated his selection at number three with 145.

After Alex Lees fell for 67, Root and Pope flayed the New Zealand bowling in a third-wicket stand of 187.

But that was nothing compared to the entertainment provided by England captain Ben Stokes, who crashed 46 from only 33 balls.

Calm was only restored late in a day when England added 383 runs, the home side ending 473-5, 80 behind New Zealand's 553.

There is still work to do for England, but they should be looking to first get level with New Zealand, then build a handy lead.

Their Sunday effort has given them a strong chance of preserving their 1-0 series advantage, and maybe even a shot at victory.

This was the day when the influence of new England Test coach Brendon McCullum has been most obviously on show.

At 90-1 overnight, 463 behind, it would have been typical of England to wilt. Instead, they attacked from the outset, with every batter looking to get after the New Zealand bowling.

Aided by a true surface and lightning-fast outfield, this was England playing 'Bazball' to devastating effect. The scoreboard rattled along to the delight of the energetic Trent Bridge crowd.

New Zealand did not help themselves - they missed catches off Root twice and gave a life to Ben Foakes to go with reprieves handed to Lees and Pope on Saturday, while off-spinner Michael Bracewell was underused. The Black Caps also had to deal with a back injury to fast bowler Kyle Jamieson.

But this was an exhilarating assault by England, one that has brought this Test to life and set up the possibility of a thrilling final two days.

For England to win they will have to find a way of dismissing New Zealand in their second innings - a big ask given the nature of the pitch.

Still, McCullum will ask them to believe that anything is possible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61778443
 
Well done England. Disappointed at Bairstow as he could have really smashed it on this surface but overall a fantastic performance with Joe Root at the forefront once again.

Hopefully this is also the knock that kick starts Pope's test career.
 
Harry Brook got a score for Yorkshire again today. He is now banging down the door for a place in the England Test side, with Crawley and Bairstow both looking very scratchy and vulnerable. (England don’t even need Jonny’s reserve wicketkeeping anymore because Pope can take the gloves as a substitute if needed.)
 
James said:
383 runs scored off 88 overs from England today, aggressive and absolutely dominant with the bat — a very solid performance.
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You are right at Roooot in ODI mode - today was very nearly his WC ODI batting rate.

If he can go on to 200 tomorrow then England might astonishingly get a first innings lead.
 
Draw all but secured now for England.

A relatively safe morning session with Root and Foakes tomorrow and they will be in the lead.

Then see what the lower order can score, before having an afternoon & evening bowl at the NZ batters after they have spent a tiring two days out in the field.

See if some pressure can be created.
See what happens.
 
Moeey said:
not really. my dad is old too. he has seen these frauds play. frank tyson was fast. lindwall was a shortie with very little bounce.

Back in the days, there was very little protection, ofcourse batsmen would be more prone to getting injured. its just simple logic.

imagine curent bowlers bowling to those old gen players with no protective gear etc. it would be a blood bath.
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Malcolm Marshall was “a shortie with very little bounce”. He was quicker than his tall mates.

You’re not applying logic. You’re making assumptions. You’ve assumed that fifties players got hit more than modern players based on the quality of the armour available. I say the batsmen didn’t get hit as often because they had better defensive techniques than their grandsons, so were better at ducking and not getting hit. On the other hand, nine-ten-jack didn’t get bounced, because they couldn’t protect themselves. But Fred Trueman wouldn’t have used up energy bouncing a tailender anyway - he would have yorked him instead.

The one area where things are clearly better now is out-fielding. Bradman’s scoring would be slower today because a lot of his fours would get cut off.

But a man of his vast ability would learn to clear the boundary. The cream always rises to the top. I firmly believe that a player with the ability and drive to get to the top in one era would have the ability and drive get to the top in every era.
 
Pope, Root notch up centuries as bat continues to dominate play

England added 383 runs on day three and closed in on New Zealand's mammoth first innings total of 553 in the second Test at Trent Bridge.

Scores: 1st innings: NZ – 553, ENG – 473/5, trail by 80 runs

Batters continue to make merry

The pitch at Trent Bridge has been an absolute dream for the batters, evidenced by New Zealand's mammoth score of 553 in the first innings. The pitch on Day 3 was no different, with Alex Lees (overnight score of 38*) and Ollie Pope (overnight scored of 51*) continuing from where they left off.

Pope found the boundaries early on as Lees inched closer to his maiden fifty. He got to the milestone in style with a boundary. The opener was a lot more positive in the next couple of overs before Matt Henry lured him with a wide ball outside off which he nicked to Daryl Mitchell at slip.

Root, Pope rampage the Kiwis

Joe Root walked out at the fall of a wicket and continued to show why he is in the league of his own. He took the attack to the bowlers from the get-go. He raced off the blocks and scored a boundary-laden 35* as England went to lunch having added 105 runs to their overnight total.

The boundaries continued to flow after the break as well, with the first five overs after the break fetching a boundary each. En route, Pope scored his first hundred at home while Root got to his fifty in just 56 balls.

Once Pope got to his hundred, he put his foot on the accelerator, plundering Henry for a four and a six off consecutive balls.

As their partnership kept growing, the field started to spread out. However, that did not stop the flow of runs, especially from the bat of Root, who kept finding the ropes at will.

As tea neared, Root changed gears after a few quiet overs and got his 27th Test century. It was his fastest Test hundred, which came from just 116 balls. England went into the break at 331/2, only 222 runs behind New Zealand.

Stokes counter-attacks after twin strike

New Zealand came out revitalized after the tea break, scalping two quick wickets in the first three overs of the session. Trent Boult struck twice in his two overs to send Pope and Bairstow back.

Boult banged it in short to Pope and Matt Henry completed a great catch running in from deep fine leg, thus breaking the marathon 187-run stand. DRS came to aid of the left-arm pacer in his next over when Bairstow's caught-behind decision was overruled.

The Black Caps had a window of opportunity but captain Ben Stokes shut that closed with a counter-attacking innings. He smashed the dangerous Boult out of the attack with four boundaries off his bowling.

The England captain eventually holed out four runs short of a half-century trying to smash Michael Bracewell for consecutive sixes, only to hole out in the deep to Boult.

The Black Caps were dealt a huge blow when Kyle Jamieson had to walk back into the dressing room due to a lower back issue.

Root, Foakes take England safely to stumps

Joe Root and Ben Foakes were a lot more circumspect after the fall of Stokes, though they kept the scoreboard ticking with occasional boundaries. Root smashed Southee for three fours an over and brought up his 150 in just 181 balls.

Foakes remained unbeaten on 24 at stumps, with the pair adding 68 runs for the sixth wicket.

Stat attack: Joe Root is only dealing in records! With his ton, he equalled Virat Kohli and Steve Smith's Test ton tally (27). By the time Root finished the day at 163*, he had leapfrogged both Younis Khan and Sunil Gavaskar on the list for most Test runs.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2644536
 
Moeey said:
It's really not. No spinner in modern era has been effective in grassy pitches.
Besides Warne is Warne. Your average he'll let alone average, even current top tier spinners are no where near the quality of Warne. Warne is more an exception to the rule than the norm.
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A denial with no justification and then a blanket statement with no support... not really an argument.
 
Mamoon said:
Compton played for Arsenal and also played Test cricket for England. That exposes the lack of quality and competition in both cricket and football at the time.
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Really!

That does it for me!

I am just imagining how can someone even think that a guy can be good enough to play both International cricket and football in a competitive era.
That's preposterous.

Genius, lol.
 
Compton would have been labelled a home track bully had he played in this era. Home average of 60 and away average of 35.
 
Positive start to the morning for England. Foakes gets his 50.

516-5 119 overs

England trail by 37

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Ab Fan said:
Compton would have been labelled a home track bully had he played in this era. Home average of 60 and away average of 35.
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That's a fair point, though his away average was impaired by his Ashes 50/51 tour. His kneecap had been removed and he couldn't get a run. Shouldn't have gone on tour, but he was Compton so nobody would dare drop him.
Tests Average
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in Australia 1946-1955 13 33.47 (good side)
in New Zealand 1947-1951 3 36.25 (minnows)
in South Africa 1948-1957 10 36.00 (good side)
in West Indies 1954-1954 5 49.71 (excellent batting side, plus Ramadhin and Valentine)
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Really!

That does it for me!

I am just imagining how can someone even think that a guy can be good enough to play both International cricket and football in a competitive era.
That's preposterous.

Genius, lol.
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This post is revealing of you. Somebody in 1938 did something that nobody today can do, so you think everyone in 1938 was rubbish. You think the generation that got through the Great Depression and World War Two was rubbish.

I think they were hard as nails.

Yet Bo Jackson did it too, and you can't tell me that 1980s MLB and NFL weren't "competitive". It takes absolutely outrageous ability, which is why it is so rare. It couldn't happen now as the English football season has got so long and overlaps the cricket season at both ends.

I would argue that the 1930s to 1950s were more competitive than now in England. Conditions for working men were desperately difficult and dangerous, there was the constant risk of losing an arm or getting crushed to death or poisoned. Cricket was seen as a way out of the mines or the fields. The leagues and County Championship were hard knock schools where many, many physically and mentally tough men fought like mad for first team places. Now only a few English schools play cricket, and they turn out a few soft posh boys who go play in the mediocre modern County Championship and can't step up to test level.
 
516-5 to 539 AO. Maybe wickets will fall quickly now and the pitch isn't as easy to bat like it was on the first three days.
 
Ooh, Latham bowled by a straight one from Anderson.
 
All the pressure is on the Kiwis. They are 1-0 down and need to dictate the tempo of the game.
 
NZ 553 & 27/1 (9) CRR: 3
Day 4: Lunch Break - New Zealand lead by 41 runs
 
Wow. Game has changes a lot this morning. Terrible terrible collapse from England who should have pretty much buried New Zealand a 516/5 situation.

Now NZ definitely have a sniff if they set 250 ish and have almost an entire day at England tomorrow.
 
Mesozoic said:
Wow. Game has changes a lot this morning. Terrible terrible collapse from England who should have pretty much buried New Zealand a 516/5 situation.

Now NZ definitely have a sniff if they set 250 ish and have almost an entire day at England tomorrow.
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If its 250, England wont be overly worried.

Kiwis will look for 280+
 
The NZers are in an interesting position here.

They are 0-1 down and have a chance of levelling the series, but this comes with a more than modest level of risk attached.

Do they build a “safe” lead which would most likely lead to a draw? They then stay 0-1 behind and they can’t win the series.

Or do they attack a bit more and risk being bowled out, but also leave an “unsafe” total which England would be highly likely to try and chase down — but England would then potentially lose the game altogether if they make too many mistakes.

NZ could also dangle the carrot with a surprise early declaration.

Looking forward to seeing how this one plays out.

I’m still saying Draw because the pitch is so flat, but we will go into the fifth day of a Test match with all results possible and (ultimately) that’s the ideal scenario.
 
James said:
The NZers are in an interesting position here.

They are 0-1 down and have a chance of levelling the series, but this comes with a more than modest level of risk attached.

Do they build a “safe” lead which would most likely lead to a draw? They then stay 0-1 behind and they can’t win the series.

Or do they attack a bit more and risk being bowled out, but also leave an “unsafe” total which England would be highly likely to try and chase down — but England would then potentially lose the game altogether if they make too many mistakes.

NZ could also dangle the carrot with a surprise early declaration.

Looking forward to seeing how this one plays out.
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They might declare with two sessions to go.

But Root, Bairstow and Stokes could overhaul any target they can set.
 
Looks like the NZ batters are content on settling for the draw.

England will need to prize them out.
 
wrongun said:
A denial with no justification and then a blanket statement with no support... not really an argument.
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Denial? How do you explain Warne sucking on turning pitches in India? If anything you haven't substantiated your argument at all. Just some asinine accusation. It worked for one guy. Warne who btw happened to suck in the most spin friendly conditions of india.

It's not the norm. Ball doesn't turn on grassy pitches. I have never seen a spinner excel on grassy pitches barring Warne. One dude.
 
Robert said:
Malcolm Marshall was “a shortie with very little bounce”. He was quicker than his tall mates.

You’re not applying logic. You’re making assumptions. You’ve assumed that fifties players got hit more than modern players based on the quality of the armour available. I say the batsmen didn’t get hit as often because they had better defensive techniques than their grandsons, so were better at ducking and not getting hit. On the other hand, nine-ten-jack didn’t get bounced, because they couldn’t protect themselves. But Fred Trueman wouldn’t have used up energy bouncing a tailender anyway - he would have yorked him instead.

The one area where things are clearly better now is out-fielding. Bradman’s scoring would be slower today because a lot of his fours would get cut off.

But a man of his vast ability would learn to clear the boundary. The cream always rises to the top. I firmly believe that a player with the ability and drive to get to the top in one era would have the ability and drive get to the top in every era.
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By your logic, I would say modern players have far better offensive techniques. Much superior attacking technique. Vice versa is true for players from 50s. Yes having no protection makes you a easier target. Not an assumption. No matter how good you are, a bowler hurling the ball at 140 plus is eventually going to hit you at some point ans your pretty face could potentially get disfigured by modern day bowlers who are much superior athletes.
 
They might go for quick runs in the final session if wickets in hand. Trying to take on Leech and being resilient vs medium pace. If they can get to 200 lead today by stumps, there may be some chance of a result although England can play safe for draw too.
 
Kiwis get to 100 , they need to take a few more chances here , that will put English bowlers under some pressure
 
NZ can get to 250 total today if they bring in some hitting into play against the old ball later in the day.
 
Day 4: 2nd Session - New Zealand lead by 119 runs

ENG 539
NZ 553 & 105/2 (35) CRR: 3
 
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