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England (539 & 299/5) beat New Zealand (553 & 284) by 5 wickets in the 2nd Test at Nottingham

90/1 COP.

Lovely unbroken partnership of 84 from Alex and Ollie.

Get your hundreds tomorrows boys!
 
Well, I'd have grabbed 90-1 at the close with both hands. I was expecting 40-3.
 
Took 6 wickets for 235 and then responded with a brisk 90 for 1 of their own, that Day Two could have been *a lot* worse for England after the awful first day!
 
I hope these guys stick in tomorrow and I don't want to sound too optimistic but if England get a good start then Bairstow etc should be able to cause carnage on this surface.
 
Like I said. It’s a flat pitch.

Just need to keep their heads and apply themselves to the task.
 
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Justcrazy said:
Underwood was good on wet wickets only , Swan was probably only after him who got wickets consistently in Tests.
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The wickets were covered for all of Underwood’s career, so not wet.

Emburey, Tufnell and Panesar had their moments.
 
Great batting by NZ. They have this one in the bag now.
 
Moeey said:
Lol never seen a spinner turn the ball on grassy wickets. You do not need a spinner on swing friendly tracks.
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Really? I've seen it an awful lot.

Maybe you know more about spinning than Shane Warne, who popularised the phrase, "if it seams, it spins".

The same grass that gives the seam something to bite into for the quicks- funnily enough- has exactly the same affect when spinners land the ball on the seam, this time with sidespin, and the seam grips & turns. Same principle.
 
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Ollie Pope and Alex Lees helped England to a steady start, taking them to 90/1 at the end of Day 2, after New Zealand posted 553 on the back of a fantastic 190 from Daryl Mitchell.

Scores: 1st innings: NZ – 553, ENG – 90/1, trail by 463 runs

It's those two again!

England bowlers have probably grown tired of the sight of Daryl Mitchell and Tom Blundell batting together. In both the games so far, just when it looked like the hosts were about to get an upper hand, the pair proved to be a stubborn roadblock in their way.

Mitchell (overnight 81*) and Blundell (overnight 67*) continued where they left off yesterday and continued to frustrate the England bowlers. The boundaries flowed from the bat with regularity. Mitchell got to his century soon, his second in as many matches, as New Zealand pushed past 350.

A few overs later, Blundell brought up two milestones of his own – going past 1000 Test runs as well as his third Test hundred. In the meantime, Mitchell switched gears and launched into the England bowlers, taking their partnership past 200.

Leach ends the marathon partnership

Jack Leach brought some respite for England as Blundell charged and miscued the ball to mid-on. This was Leach's first wicket at home in exactly 1000 days, his last one coming against Australia in the 2019 Ashes in September 2019.

That was the lone positive for England in the first session where New Zealand added 94 runs and strengthened their hold on the game.

The Black Caps' domination continued after the break as well with the first two overs of the second session fetching 26 runs. Michael Bracewell looked to attack from the get-go while Mitchell was smashing big ones with ease against Leach. In no time, he reached 150 – a milestone he had never achieved before in Test cricket.

Rain halts Kiwis' charge but not for long

In the first 13.2 overs of the session, New Zealand added 69 more runs, going at more than five runs an over. Just as they threatened to take the game away completely, the rain break came at a perfect time for England, forcing players off the ground in a hurry for an early tea.

Upon their return, the two batters took their time to get their eye in and showed very little aggression. Bracewell was just a run away from his fifty on Test debut when James Anderson struck to break the partnership for 91.

Mitchell kept losing partners as he edged closer to a double ton. Despite Trent Boult's resistance at No.11, Mitchell was the last man out when Matthew Potts got his wicket for 190. New Zealand ended up posting a mammoth 553, their highest total on English soil.

Steady start for England

It did not take New Zealand long to effect a breakthrough as Boult struck in the second over to send back Crawley for 4. With the hosts 6/1, New Zealand had a good chance to drive home their advantage but failed to take control. Alex Lees was dropped on 12 by Mitchell at first slip and took full advantage of it by playing some brilliant shots. His partner Ollie Pope too continued undisturbed, even striking Matt Henry for 16 runs in one over. Another chance went begging when neither the keeper nor the first slip fielder reacted to an edge from Pope, which raced away to the boundary.

Pope soon brought up a fantastic fifty as the second-wicket partnership extended to 84 with England ending the day on 90/1, trailing by 463 runs.

Stat Attack: Trent Boult has now equalled the record for the most number of runs for an No.11 batter in Tests. He has 623 runs in 69 matches

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2644063
 
wrongun said:
Really? I've seen it an awful lot.

Maybe you know more about spinning than Shane Warne, who popularised the phrase, "if it seams, it spins".

The same grass that gives the seam something to bite into for the quicks- funnily enough- has exactly the same affect when spinners land the ball on the seam, this time with sidespin, and the seam grips & turns. Same principle.
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It's really not. No spinner in modern era has been effective in grassy pitches.
Besides Warne is Warne. Your average he'll let alone average, even current top tier spinners are no where near the quality of Warne. Warne is more an exception to the rule than the norm.
 
Moeey said:
It's really not. No spinner in modern era has been effective in grassy pitches.
Besides Warne is Warne. Your average he'll let alone average, even current top tier spinners are no where near the quality of Warne. Warne is more an exception to the rule than the norm.
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You could also say that no top spinner was as bad as Warne in the most spinner friendly conditions - India. So Warne's is a mystery situation.
 
England need to get through the morning session with a 0 or a 1 wicket loss. They will be well set then to bat long and go for the draw.

However a 3-4 wicket collapse and the follow on could be in play.
 
Sun out again. :)

Pitch still looks flat.

It is a batting day.

NZ need some early poles to create momentum and pressurise Root, Bairstow and Stokes.
 
Lees may be the best opener we have tried since Strauss finished. He looks well organised. He has been getting starts, doing the hard work to get through the new ball, so now he must figure about a way to kick on.
 
Robert said:
Lees may be the best opener we have tried since Strauss finished. He looks well organised. He has been getting starts, doing the hard work to get through the new ball, so now he must figure about a way to kick on.
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Reminds me of Strauss a bit.
 
They’re bowling really well to Pope.

He has been equal to the task thus far.
 
Hundred partnership between Lees and Pope.

Uber road of course, but very good bowling....
 
Is #3 in tests the right place for His Holiness? He's going great guns.
 
Alexander Zak Lees!

A maiden half century in Test cricket for the young and promising Yorkshireman.
 
Maiden test fifty for Lees!

Have we got the makings of a proper top three at least?
 
Alex’s bat looks straight as an arrow this morning, playing it like a football so far.
 
Must be great rot Root to have a platform instead of having to do yet another repair job.
 
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Good innings Lees.

Time for the entry of the Master.
 
Looks good on this pitch does Matt Henry.

Seems to suit his bowling style.
 
Lees ceiling is probably a 34-37 averaging opener at max.

Ollie Pope can become a 45+ average batter. Hope he really cashes in today.
 
Very testing lines from the New Zealand seamers to Root and Pope.
 
One of the most beautiful batters to watch:

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Day 3: Lunch Break - England trail by 358 runs

NZ 553
ENG 195/2 (54) CRR: 3.61
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Lees ceiling is probably a 34-37 averaging opener at max.

Ollie Pope can become a 45+ average batter. Hope he really cashes in today.
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I'll settle for 37. It's better than 27 which is what our openers average!

Great session for the Ingerlund. 105 scored for one wicket lost.
 
Joe Root is easily the greatest post war Batsman England has produced.

He is a rare commodity in English cricket, I don't remember the last guy who averaged 50+ from England.
 
England is so tough to beat at their home in a 3 plus test series. This is a 3 test series unlike the 2 tests they usually dish out for teams like n.z

I think the best England 11 is a top quality side with the likes of wood (probably every alternate game as he is injury prone), ollie Robbie, Anderson (alternate with someone like archer ideally) woakes. That's a formidable bowling unit. Good batting depth.

Also add moeen at 7. It's a very solid team. Very good side.

As for batting. Root stokes Lees Pope is nothing to scoff at.

They did thrash south africans 3-1 away. Same south africans who beat Indians 2-1 although they now have that tall freak who is quality. South africans who also drew away at n.z.
 
New Zealand discovering how hard this pitch is to bowl people out on,

Don’t say I told you so but
 
Robert said:
He's always quick, but he's extra speedy today.

Second century for His Holiness! :hamster:
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I think he is enjoying the luxury of not coming to the crease in a crisis (for once), so he is opening his shoulders and playing in ODI mode lol.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Joe Root is easily the greatest post war Batsman England has produced.

He is a rare commodity in English cricket, I don't remember the last guy who averaged 50+ from England.
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He is the greatest English batsman ever.

With his current skill-set, he would be averaging 200+ in the pre-war era of cricket.

Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hutton, Compton etc. wouldn’t become professionals in today’s cricket with their skill-set.

Compton played for Arsenal and also played Test cricket for England. That exposes the lack of quality and competition in both cricket and football at the time.

Not in a million years will we ever see a player play both Premier League football and Test cricket regardless of how talented he is.
 
And yet another fifty for Roooooooooooot.

Kiwis trying to get the ball changed for the third time this innings! Must be a dodgy batch.
 
James said:
New Zealand discovering how hard this pitch is to bowl people out on,

Don’t say I told you so but
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Which makes the decision to bowl first even more diabolical. The only way to win Test matches on flatbeds is to bat first, score big and try to dismiss the opposition batsmen with scoreboard pressure.

Stokes PR ensuring that there is no criticism on social media. If it was Root, people would be calling for his resignation.
 
Mamoon said:
Not in a million years will we ever see a player play both Premier League football and Test cricket regardless of how talented he is.
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A multi-sport career is still relatively common at the top level of the women’s game, but it seems to have gone out of men’s cricket altogether.
 
James said:
A multi-sport career is still relatively common at the top level of the women’s game, but it seems to have gone out of men’s cricket altogether.
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Which is understandable because the level of skill and competition have gone up several notches.

This is conclusive evidence that today’s cricket is played at a much higher standard. There is no need to look for further proof.
 
Mamoon said:
Which makes the decision to bowl first even more diabolical. The only way to win Test matches on flatbeds is to bat first, score big and try to dismiss the opposition batsmen with scoreboard pressure.

Stokes PR ensuring that there is no criticism on social media. If it was Root, people would be calling for his resignation.
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Inclined to agree on the top paragraph.

Although if England go on to score 600 then skittle NZ and win the Test, the decision from Ben and Brendon to bowl first will go down as immense foresight and a stroke of genius.

We should always wait for a Test match to play out in full before forming our conclusions…
 
Mamoon said:
He is the greatest English batsman ever.

With his current skill-set, he would be averaging 200+ in the pre-war era of cricket.

Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hutton, Compton etc. wouldn’t become professionals in today’s cricket with their skill-set.
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With respect to Rooty, with his current technique he would be quickly found out on their uncovered pitches. They played on roads like this one sometimes, but also stickies and dustbowls which Root has never seen.

A fairer comparison with Root would be modern-conditions players such as Gower, Thorpe and Pietersen.

But if Root was born in 1915 he would be on a level with those men.

Compton played for Arsenal and also played Test cricket for England. That exposes the lack of quality and competition in both cricket and football at the time.
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No, that exposes Compton as a genius. Consider also Bo Jackson who excelled at American football and baseball. Very few people have ability like those two.

A champion in one era would be a champion in any era.
 
What an on drive! Shot of the Test match so far from Root for me, absolutely delicious.
 
NZ medium-fast quarter discovering what happens when your captain and coach don’t pick a spin bowler to help you.
 
Root is striking at about 84 / 100. This is lightning quick. Pope no slouch either at 65.
 
James said:
What an on drive! Shot of the Test match so far from Root for me, absolutely delicious.
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Could watch this all day :boycott
 
Mamoon said:
He is the greatest English batsman ever.

With his current skill-set, he would be averaging 200+ in the pre-war era of cricket.

Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hutton, Compton etc. wouldn’t become professionals in today’s cricket with their skill-set.

Compton played for Arsenal and also played Test cricket for England. That exposes the lack of quality and competition in both cricket and football at the time.

Not in a million years will we ever see a player play both Premier League football and Test cricket regardless of how talented he is.
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Yes it's always seemed like just about anybody can pull on an Arsenal shirt :p
 
Robert said:
With respect to Rooty, with his current technique he would be quickly found out on their uncovered pitches. They played on roads like this one sometimes, but also stickies and dustbowls which Root has never seen.

A fairer comparison with Root would be modern-conditions players such as Gower, Thorpe and Pietersen.

But if Root was born in 1915 he would be on a level with those men.



No, that exposes Compton as a genius. Consider also Bo Jackson who excelled at American football and baseball. Very few people have ability like those two.

A champion in one era would be a champion in any era.
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stop. dont embarass yourself please. root is aeons ahead of those names you mentioned. Lot of those frauds from pre historic times have never played against real bowlers with pace and bounce.

gower, thorpe and pieterson yes i agree with those names.
root is ahead of the former 2. on par only with KP. KP and root are englands greatest batsmen ever.
 
lol england full strength team is very good but man english fans have such low expectations, its really sad. celebrating this performance after conceding 500 plus runs. cmon dudes.
 
Michael Bracewell on to bowl the part time spin.

Should have picked Ajaz Patel…
 
Moeey said:
lol england full strength team is very good but man english fans have such low expectations, its really sad. celebrating this performance after conceding 500 plus runs. cmon dudes.
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275/2 is a dream score for our batting lineup.

(Btw — this is the same conversation as last week. You need to understand this from the perspective of England fans and all of the absolute misery that they have endured for the 16 months prior to this series whilst still paying their hard earned money to follow the team. We will take anything right now.)
 
James said:
275/2 is a dream score for our batting lineup.

(Btw — this is the same conversation as last week. You need to understand this from the perspective of England fans and all of the absolute misery that they have endured for the 16 months prior to this series whilst still paying their hard earned money to follow the team. We will take anything right now.)
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Yep.

Still 70 off avoiding the follow-on and England are very capable of losing 8-70.
 
Moeey said:
lol england full strength team is very good but man english fans have such low expectations, its really sad. celebrating this performance after conceding 500 plus runs. cmon dudes.
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This 1st Test vs NZ was their first victory for 10 games.
 
england are missing 3 of their best bowlers. there is only so much you can do with string lineup.
 
Moeey said:
stop. dont embarass yourself please. root is aeons ahead of those names you mentioned. Lot of those frauds from pre historic times have never played against real bowlers with pace and bounce.

gower, thorpe and pieterson yes i agree with those names.
root is ahead of the former 2. on par only with KP. KP and root are englands greatest batsmen ever.
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I'm assuming that you are very young. I am not. My Dad watched Hutton and Compton bat against Lindwall and Miller, and he saw a player stretchered off. So 1954 doesn't seem long ago to me. There have always been bowlers capable of breaking bones - read about the Bodyline Series 1932/3.

I would counsel you that in another forty years you will be telling youngsters how fast Shoaib Ahktar was, and they won't believe you because that was before whatever the latest gadget is, and they will tell you to stop embarrassing yourself because they know better than you.
 
Moeey said:
lol england full strength team is very good but man english fans have such low expectations, its really sad. celebrating this performance after conceding 500 plus runs. cmon dudes.
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We have watched two years of disastrous batting collapses. Four of our top six average less than 35, some quite a lot less. We have not replaced Strauss as test class opener, let alone Cook, and Strauss retired in 2012.

ENG avoided losing the Ashes 0-5 by one wicket. We have no real attacking spin option, all our fast bowlers are injured, and we are forced to rely on two creaking veterans.

You'll forgive us some pessimism.
 
Joe ROOT goes Past Younis Khan for all time test runs, Who now has 10103 runs currently. Younis Khan was at 10099
 
Robert said:
Yep.

Still 70 off avoiding the follow-on and England are very capable of losing 8-70.
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Nah! We are drawing this one at the absolute least. Outside chance of forcing a win on Day 5.
 
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