England defeat Pakistan by 3 wickets in tense finish to the 4th ODI

[marlonbrowndo]

[MENTION=139981]HitWicket[/MENTION] enjoy it

 

[babajee]

Amidst the doom and gloom, anyone else think Pakistan has done okay to push England to two close games? Considering the gap in skill levels between the two teams, it's not really that bad is it.

I'm trying to be positive, please don't troll me thanks

Definitely. If a few things went our way, we'd be 2-1 up in this series right now. Small margins.

 

[Khwaja78]

After Babar and Shoaib Malik's pathetic innings, it was England's match to lose and they almost did if not for Stokes.

Team that plays 120 dot balls and manages to score fewer fours on this ground would lose out to 8 out of 10 odi teams even can lose to Afghanistan.


Pakistan was never in the game England played with Sarfaraz XI like a cat who is playing with the mouse trying to find exit.

Pakistani batsman are playing for their own scores don't care if the team wins or loses, bowlers are having their own issues. They are dropping easy catches. Its a disaster, Dinosaurs like Malik and Hafeez can't compete, Babar Azam has shown he is the worst investment in world cricket. Such a selfish player.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

pakistan were in the game, it was Sarfraz and Junaid stupidity.

malik bowled 2 overs and gave 2 runs, why didnt he bowl more?

 

[KingKhanWC]

It doesnt mention any form of dismissal specifically. It quite clearly states a batsman cannot be given out without an appeal, it doesn't matter what the mode of dismissal is. The onfield umpire shouldn't refer it to the third umpire unless there's an appeal.

If you can show there was an appeal then go ahead. There was no audible or visible appeal on TV.

There is a specific section for run outs in the law.

"38.1 Out Run out

Either batsman is out Run out, except as in 38.2, if, at any time while the ball is in play, he/she is out of his/her ground and his/her wicket is fairly put down by the action of a fielder even though No ball has been called, except in the circumstances of 38.2.2.2, and whether or not a run is being attempted."

It doesn't mention an appeal. In modern day cricket the umpires refer a run out automatically due to video technology.

But ok even if you need to appeal, 11 players on the pitch, at least one will ask the question which did happen.

 

[HitWicket]

There is a specific section for run outs in the law.

"38.1 Out Run out

Either batsman is out Run out, except as in 38.2, if, at any time while the ball is in play, he/she is out of his/her ground and his/her wicket is fairly put down by the action of a fielder even though No ball has been called, except in the circumstances of 38.2.2.2, and whether or not a run is being attempted."

It doesn't mention an appeal. In modern day cricket the umpires refer a run out automatically due to video technology.

There's specific sections for every dismissal type. The appeal law covers them all and whether you are out through any dismissal doesn't matter if no one appeals:

Neither umpire shall give a batsman out, even though he/she may be out under the Laws, unless appealed to by a fielder.

But ok even if you need to appeal, 11 players on the pitch, at least one will ask the question which did happen.

Feel free to prove it. Nothing could be heard through stump mic or seen on camera.

 

[Mainul]

I voted 5-0 in favor of England in that prediction thread . It looks like I am right. Pakistan is going to be whitewashed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There's specific sections for every dismissal type. The appeal law covers them all and whether you are out through any dismissal doesn't matter if no one appeals:






Feel free to prove it. Nothing could be heard through stump mic or seen on camera.

You do realise on many occasions when the run out is clear , the umpire raises the finger without an appeal? With technology almost every close run out is referred. The law just needs to be clarified.

Watch the footage, simple.

 

[HitWicket]

You do realise on many occasions when the run out is clear , the umpire raises the finger without an appeal? With technology almost every close run out is referred. The law just needs to be clarified.

Watch the footage, simple.

Feel free to show me a run out where there's absolutely no kind of appeal (it would be poor umpiring). Close run outs are referred because people appeal for them. The laws and regulations are clear, an appeal is needed. I'm not sure what else there is to watch in the footage.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Feel free to show me a run out where there's absolutely no kind of appeal (it would be poor umpiring). Close run outs are referred because people appeal for them. The laws and regulations are clear, an appeal is needed. I'm not sure what else there is to watch in the footage.

Ive seen it many times, a player is run out clearly and the fielding team just celebrate and do not appeal. I dont need to show you anything.

 

[HitWicket]

Ive seen it many times, a player is run out clearly and the fielding team just celebrate and do not appeal. I dont need to show you anything.

Well isn't that convenient. You've not exactly shown your reliability in this thread so far throwing around petulant insults and hilariously calling people "ignorant" because you failed to read the laws properly. Either way, does it really matter? "I once saw a batsman given out LBW when the ball was missing the stumps therefore any ball that hits the pads should be given out LBW otherwise it's poor umpiring" - does this sound ridiculous to you?

 

[Bewal Express]

The PK score was a good one, it could have been at least 20 more. The batsman are looking good and have been positive but the Bowling looks weak on these flat tracks. I have been disappointed with Hasan, too much rubbish at crucial times from the guy that should be leading the attack, JK looks short of confidence and looks like a guy a fighting age. Tbh, there is no answer to the conundrum as Afridi and Amir have been equally as poor. This team will not win the WC but they will be competitive and as long as we beat Ind, and Ind don't win the WC, I don't care

 

[Robert]

A very good match for England, missing Bairstow and the skipper, experiencing a middle order collapse yet still finding a way to win with Stokes back into form.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan should have got at least 20 runs more Babar azam strike rate not good enough on these flat small pitches.
Pakistan fielding is atrocious let at least 15-20 runs in the field.
bowling was below par junaid especially

what changes would people make for the world cup squad ?

 

[QalandarFan]

How many runs did your designated slogger at no.7 score?

Who’s my designated slogger?

 

[RainMan_]

England is just too good.

 

[RainMan_]

I voted 5-0 in favor of England in that prediction thread . It looks like I am right. Pakistan is going to be whitewashed.

U failed to predict rain. Hence, u were wrong with ur prediction.

Despite the results, I fee Pak has played really well. Scoring consecutive 340 plus score is no mean feat by any stretch of imagination.

As a matter of fact I didn't expect Pak to post a single 320 plus score on the board. Their batters did really well.

 

[Mainul]

U failed to predict rain. Hence, u were wrong with ur prediction.

Despite the results, I fee Pak has played really well. Scoring consecutive 340 plus score is no mean feat by any stretch of imagination.

As a matter of fact I didn't expect Pak to post a single 320 plus score on the board. Their batters did really well.

I am also surprised by their three 340 plus scores on the trot. No Pak side could ever do that. England were too good for them. Pakistan will be not an easy side to beat in WC

 

[jonny darko]

Who’s my designated slogger?

Asif Ali, picked as a slog-over specialist, lasted only 12 balls scoring 17 runs. arriving at the crease in the 40th over after the wicket of babar azam, he himself got bounced out in the 43rd over with 7 overs still remaining.

Faheem Ashraf, Imad Wasim, Sarfaraz Ahmed anybody can do the same job he has been asked to do at no.7 & can do it better than him.

Faheem or Shadab do not waste a spot standing idle in the boundary. Pakistan desperately needed a 5th bowler yesterday & a losing side can't afford to carry an overrated tullebaz.

 

[Mamoon]

Ive seen it many times, a player is run out clearly and the fielding team just celebrate and do not appeal. I dont need to show you anything.

That is the key point. When a batsman is run out by a mile, there is no need for an appeal because the outcome is obvious. Same reason why no one is going to appeal for catch or a batsman getting bowled.

However, when it comes to LBWs and marginal run-outs that need to be referred to the TV umpire, the on-field umpires are under no obligation to have a second look unless the fielding side appeals for it.

 

[MenInG]

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[MRSN]

Ive seen it many times, a player is run out clearly and the fielding team just celebrate and do not appeal. I dont need to show you anything.

Well if our kaptaan himself don't think it's a run out and nor appeals why would umpire bother?

 

[Shafi]

I wasted whole night sleep and the performance of our team make me very depress. No hope from this guys.

 

[Shafi]

PCB can replace Azhar with Shoaib to see if there any sort of improvement. With this bowling we will not win any match.

 

[barah_admi]

3 dropped catches and an unrecognised run out... Pakistan would have been home and dry without these blunders. Most of them are on the players but the run out and to a lesser extent, the abundance of bad wide calls, are down to poor umpiring.

This may be the worst series for umpiring I have seen since the introduction of DRS.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

This is the best I have seen Pak bat for a long time. Pak looks favorites to win the WC.

 

[ARK Rafay]

With Husnain's and Hafeez and Malik's inclusion we saw quite good bowling tbh compared to previous games. Fielding lost us this game alone.

And as I said genuine fast bowlers and spinners will in this WC.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This is the best I have seen Pak bat for a long time. Pak looks favorites to win the WC.

Now this guy is positive. We need more of you on this forum sir

 

[AZulfi]

I stopped watching the game when England were 190 odd for 1 after 26 overs. I thought it was deja vu.

The collapse in the middle gave Pakistan hope but really bad bowling by Hasnain and Junaid put paid to that.

Both Faheem and rookie Hasnain (selected because of his patchy PSL performances) should be dropped and replaced with Asif Ali and Amer in the World Cup squad

However if the World Cup is played on these same pitches England can do the same to other teams as well. Likewise Australia and India can do the same to England and other teams because of their strong batting.

Pakistan were 220/1, so 340/7 was below par. Most teams would have made 370-375 even 400 from that position. The lack of batting depth or quality all-rounders in the late order is clearly hurting us. This was evident in the series against Australia as well. Those 20-30 extra runs can be the difference between victory and defeat esp. on these flat surfaces

I cannot remember the last time Pakistan scored 300 plus ( 361/7, 358/9 and 340/7) in three straight games yet still lost..

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

I stopped watching the game when England were 190 odd for 1 after 26 overs. I thought it was deja vu.

The collapse in the middle gave Pakistan hope but really bad bowling by Hasnain and Junaid put paid to that.

Both Faheem and rookie Hasnain (selected because of his patchy PSL performances) should be dropped and replaced with Asif Ali and Amer in the World Cup squad

However if the World Cup is played on these same pitches England can do the same to other teams as well. Likewise Australia and India can do the same to England and other teams because of their strong batting.

Pakistan were 220/1, so 340/7 was below par. Most teams would have made 370-375 even 400 from that position. The lack of batting depth or quality all-rounders in the late order is clearly hurting us. This was evident in the series against Australia as well. Those 20-30 extra runs can be the difference between victory and defeat esp. on these flat surfaces

I cannot remember the last time Pakistan scored 300 plus ( 361/7, 358/9 and 340/7) in three straight games yet still lost..

they missing a quality spinner and quality fast bowler.

 

[AZulfi]

they missing a quality spinner and quality fast bowler.

Yes once Shadab is back and if Amer can rediscover even 70-80% of his best form, we should have a more balanced side

 

[Usman Chadda]

I stopped watching the game when England were 190 odd for 1 after 26 overs. I thought it was deja vu.

The collapse in the middle gave Pakistan hope but really bad bowling by Hasnain and Junaid put paid to that.

Both Faheem and rookie Hasnain (selected because of his patchy PSL performances) should be dropped and replaced with Asif Ali and Amer in the World Cup squad

However if the World Cup is played on these same pitches England can do the same to other teams as well. Likewise Australia and India can do the same to England and other teams because of their strong batting.

Pakistan were 220/1, so 340/7 was below par. Most teams would have made 370-375 even 400 from that position. The lack of batting depth or quality all-rounders in the late order is clearly hurting us. This was evident in the series against Australia as well. Those 20-30 extra runs can be the difference between victory and defeat esp. on these flat surfaces

I cannot remember the last time Pakistan scored 300 plus ( 361/7, 358/9 and 340/7) in three straight games yet still lost..

Shaheen and Junaid deserve to be dropped more-so than Husnain, who looked the only decent pace bowler yesterday.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Yes once Shadab is back and if Amer can rediscover even 70-80% of his best form, we should have a more balanced side

whats wrong with Amir?

 

[AZulfi]

whats wrong with Amir?

He has been struggling for wickets lately