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A report in an English newspaper stating that England players would be released from the bio-secure bubble ahead of the Pakistan series.

Apparently being done as the environment is "suffocating" and to avoid a Jofra Archer type incident!

I find this odd and very worrying that such a measure is being contemplated even.

How is this safe? Wouldn't Pakistan players also ask for that - seems very irresponsible by the ECB and hope its not done.
 
As long as they are tested 2-3 times before they play Pakistan, ECB can do whatever they like with their players. Clueless move though, really.
 
So like I said yesterday in the other thread, this will be the most unprepared Pakistan team to tour England.

If the English players are fatigued then imagine how the Pakistani players will be feeling in a couple of weeks!!!!!??
 
As long as they are tested 2-3 times before they play Pakistan, ECB can do whatever they like with their players. Clueless move though, really.

This shouldn't be done, not at all. ECB should have same set of rules & laws for both their own players and visitors as well. Makes no sense for visitors to be confined while English players are roaming around free, even if it's for a short period of time
 
This shouldn't be done, not at all. ECB should have same set of rules & laws for both their own players and visitors as well. Makes no sense for visitors to be confined while English players are roaming around free, even if it's for a short period of time

I agree. I do think it’s interesting how reactions to ECB are though after this and previously the Archer incident. Very different from what might be the case in a PCB discussion.
 
Pathetic.

A pandemic doesn’t stop because you get bored.

Pakistan should insist upon 14 days isolation for the England team before they play them.
 
You don’t have to get yourself locked up. As long as the players are wearing masks which they obviously will, it is fine.
 
I'd be surprised if this story is genuine to be honest.

If it is genuine, then Waim Khan should put his foot down. There can't be one set of rules for visiting teams and another set of rules for locals.
 
Commies just confirmed that they will be allowed to leave the bubble after WI series is over and then be back before the start of Pak series
 
A report in an English newspaper stating that England players would be released from the bio-secure bubble ahead of the Pakistan series.

Apparently being done as the environment is "suffocating" and to avoid a Jofra Archer type incident!

I find this odd and very worrying that such a measure is being contemplated even.

How is this safe? Wouldn't Pakistan players also ask for that - seems very irresponsible by the ECB and hope its not done.

Yes pakistan should ask for the same
 
I understand but didnt know it was on the cards when the bio secure environment was created. If Eng players are being allowed to do so there is no reason for players to not be allowed to do that as well as if its mental fatigue then Pak players will obviously also be going through the same.
 
PCB needs to make sure that safety of Pak players isn’t compromised. If the mental fatigue is as much as English players have mentioned then I cant imagine what Pak players are going through so they should also be allowed to ease of that fatigue if that is the direction which is to be taken.
 
Leaving the bio-secure bubble isn't going to mean a free for all for the players to hit the pubs and restaurants. Premier League footballers aren't in a bubble and we've seen no problem there so far.

Rich sportsmen can safely manage to go home for the sake of their mental health and there'll be clear guidelines on what they can and can't do for the sake of the tour.

Then they'll be tested before the re-enter the bubble and a few days after.
 
Seems like 2 different sets of rules at the moment.
 
It generally takes 3-5 days for COVID symptoms to appear, so as long as players quarantine for more than that (say 7-days) before the start of the series, that should be fine.

I'm not sure how long the current restrictions have been going on for English players, but its understandable they would need some sort of mental break between the series (to see family, etc).
 
The bio secure thing is over the top for such a long period of time. Test the players 5 days before a match and then again a day before the match. Looking up players for months on end is just nonsense. Players should be free to spend to with their families in between tests as long as sufficient time is given to test and retest.
 
It generally takes 3-5 days for COVID symptoms to appear, so as long as players quarantine for more than that (say 7-days) before the start of the series, that should be fine.

I'm not sure how long the current restrictions have been going on for English players, but its understandable they would need some sort of mental break between the series (to see family, etc).

What about the Pakistani team ?
 
As long as they follow social distancing rules and are sensible, I don't have an issue with this. They need a break at some point.
 
Covid19 is going to be here for a long time. We need to try and have some normality whilst following social distancing measures. Being in lockdown for long periods is not the answer. Have to try and live a normal life as much as possible.
 
Look, the Pakistanis shouldnt complain too much if the England players get to get out of the bubble for a bit and they don't. Unfortunately, if the PCB want teams to tour Pakistan the touring team will also have to to go through so similar difficulties and live in a lockdown environment due to the level of security required.

They need to show some goodwill and hope its reciprocated in a return tour at some point.
 
A report in an English newspaper stating that England players would be released from the bio-secure bubble ahead of the Pakistan series.

Apparently being done as the environment is "suffocating" and to avoid a Jofra Archer type incident!

I find this odd and very worrying that such a measure is being contemplated even.

How is this safe? Wouldn't Pakistan players also ask for that - seems very irresponsible by the ECB and hope its not done.

I'm cool with it,, they will have to return 2 negatives before coming back.
Hopefully stokes woakes and a few others return positive tests ( asymptomatically of course) and they then have to self isolate)
 
What about the Pakistani team ?

Different situation. If Pakistani team is allowed outside the bubble, and one or multiple players tests positive for COVID afterwards, then getting proper replacements is much more difficult. England are local, so not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

That said, I'm not against letting Pakistani outside the bubble on a limited basis as long as they're taking the right precautions. Being trapped in a building for 6+ weeks can't be good for a person's mental state. If the ECB is allowing their players outside, the PCB should definitely bring this up and request the same. But they should also consider that they would carry a higher risk if something goes wrong
 
This is completely reckless and stupid.

The Third England v West Indies Test at Old Trafford finishes on Tuesday 28 July.

The First England v Pakistan Test at Old Trafford starts on Wednesday 5 August.

The apparent proposal is that the players are permitted to go home from Tuesday 28 July until Friday 31 July, allowing a 5 day period back in the bubble prior to the start of the Pakistan Test. I'm guessing that they have Coronavirus swabs performed on Saturday 1 August and Tuesday 4 August.

This is stupid, unscientific and dangerous.

We know that a person may not test positive for up to 14 days after they catch the virus. The majority of people in the few places with proven contact tracing seem to test positive between the 3rd and 7th day after infection. (The only valid data on this comes from Singapore, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand, as the other countries have higher numbers of infected people and inferior contact tracing).

So let's look at a scenario here.

On Tuesday 28 July Joe Root goes home to his wife and baby. Unbeknown to him, his wife caught the virus on Monday 27 July (take your pick between from her parents, a community health visitor etc). She doesn't become infectious - or positive - until the Friday.

Mrs Root is young and healthy and does not have any symptoms apart from tiredness, that she associates with having a newborn at home.

On Friday 31 July, Joe catches the virus from Mrs Root. He then returns to Old Trafford's Hilton Garden Inn hotel, where he mixes with players from both teams.

He is a sportsman. He never develops symptoms. His first retest on Saturday 1 August (infection day +1) is obviously negative.

His second retest on Tuesday 4 August (infection day + 5) is also negative - it's too soon.

He interacts normally with players and coaches from both teams.

On the final day of the First Test - Sunday 9 August - a number of players on both teams have symptoms of a mild cold. Every player on both teams is tested for Coronavirus - and eight of them test positive.

The teams cannot travel to Southampton as planned on Monday 10 August to prepare for the Second Test. The players remain in isolation at the Old Trafford hotel, and the Second Test is postponed.

That day, two of the coaches have to be hospitalized. England's Chris Silverwood is only 45 years old, but he's obese. He stabilized is hospital and is discharged 6 days later.

Pakistan's Mushtaq Ahmed is not so lucky. He is 50 years old but is morbidly obese: 5 feet 4 tall but 14 stone in weight. He is admitted to Manchester Royal Infirmary and quickly transferred to ICU, where he dies after a two week stint on a ventilator.

Pakistan signed up to play in a biosecure bubble. They didn't agree to play Russian Roulette in the country with the advanced world's worst Covid-19 mortality rate.
 
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Pakistan signed up to play in a biosecure bubble. They didn't agree to play Russian Roulette in the country with the advanced world's worst Covid-19 mortality rate.

I hope PCB already bought up this point with ECB if not Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani should have been fired by now...
 
This is completely reckless and stupid.

The Third England v West Indies Test at Old Trafford finishes on Tuesday 28 July.

The First England v Pakistan Test at Old Trafford starts on Wednesday 5 August.

The apparent proposal is that the players are permitted to go home from Tuesday 28 July until Friday 31 July, allowing a 5 day period back in the bubble prior to the start of the Pakistan Test. I'm guessing that they have Coronavirus swabs performed on Saturday 1 August and Tuesday 4 August.

This is stupid, unscientific and dangerous.

We know that a person may not test positive for up to 14 days after they catch the virus. The majority of people in the few places with proven contact tracing seem to test positive between the 3rd and 7th day after infection. (The only valid data on this comes from Singapore, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand, as the other countries have higher numbers of infected people and inferior contact tracing).

So let's look at a scenario here.

On Tuesday 28 July Joe Root goes home to his wife and baby. Unbeknown to him, his wife caught the virus on Monday 27 July (take your pick between from her parents, a community health visitor etc). She doesn't become infectious - or positive - until the Friday.

Mrs Root is young and healthy and does not have any symptoms apart from tiredness, that she associates with having a newborn at home.

On Friday 31 July, Joe catches the virus from Mrs Root. He then returns to Old Trafford's Hilton Garden Inn hotel, where he mixes with players from both teams.

He is a sportsman. He never develops symptoms. His first retest on Saturday 1 August (infection day +1) is obviously negative.

His second retest on Tuesday 4 August (infection day + 5) is also negative - it's too soon.

He interacts normally with players and coaches from both teams.

On the final day of the First Test - Sunday 9 August - a number of players on both teams have symptoms of a mild cold. Every player on both teams is tested for Coronavirus - and eight of them test positive.

The teams cannot travel to Southampton as planned on Monday 10 August to prepare for the Second Test. The players remain in isolation at the Old Trafford hotel, and the Second Test is postponed.

That day, two of the coaches have to be hospitalized. England's Chris Silverwood is only 45 years old, but he's obese. He stabilized is hospital and is discharged 6 days later.

Pakistan's Mushtaq Ahmed is not so lucky. He is 50 years old but is morbidly obese: 5 feet 4 tall but 14 stone in weight. He is admitted to Manchester Royal Infirmary and quickly transferred to ICU, where he dies after a two week stint on a ventilator.

Pakistan signed up to play in a biosecure bubble. They didn't agree to play Russian Roulette in the country with the advanced world's worst Covid-19 mortality rate.

Coming to England was Russian Roulette anyway.

Biosecure bubble or not.

Breaches happen (Like Archer).

Its too much to expect a bubble will remain impenetrable.

When you signed up to play in a country with poor response to Covid 19, you knew the risks.

I am sure everyone knows the risks.

The only difference is that the risk is doubled after ECB decision.
 
I wonder if this was agreed with PCB before the start of the tour. If so, that's a concern.

If it's been sprung now on PCB, then this is an even bigger concern.

What else has ECB got up their sleeve for PCB.
 
Nothing to be concerned or comment about.
Home team board can amend protocol as they see fit

Onus is on ECB to ensure that players in final squad are covid -ve before series commences. Else series cannot begin as per ICC guidelines
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stuart Broad has confirmed that the England squad will be allowed to leave the bio-secure bubble today for a few days ahead of the Test series against Pakistan <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1288118220449169411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stuart Broad has confirmed that the England squad will be allowed to leave the bio-secure bubble today for a few days ahead of the Test series against Pakistan <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1288118220449169411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Surely Pakistan players should be allowed to visit places if they can go home !
 
The pakistani players have to stay in a bio secure environment for the best part of 2 months but its fine for the england players to leave it as and when ecb see fit?
 
The pakistani players have to stay in a bio secure environment for the best part of 2 months but its fine for the england players to leave it as and when ecb see fit?

It's quite possible that several of the England players would have been in the bio secure environment for nearly 3 months. It makes sense to give them a break from it where the schedule allows and test them multiple times before readmitting them.
 
It's quite possible that several of the England players would have been in the bio secure environment for nearly 3 months. It makes sense to give them a break from it where the schedule allows and test them multiple times before readmitting them.

The virus can take several days to show up after they return from home and not necessarily show up in testing straight away
The test match starts in 8 days from today and i guess 3-4 days after they return

Thats why 14 days isolation is recommended

How is this even been allowed by the ecb? Have they ran this past the pcb?
 
The virus can take several days to show up after they return from home and not necessarily show up in testing straight away
The test match starts in 8 days from today and i guess 3-4 days after they return

Thats why 14 days isolation is recommended

How is this even been allowed by the ecb? Have they ran this past the pcb?

I know the NBA is (generally) doing a 4-day quarantine for players that are getting excused to leave the bubble.

Everything else I've read, it seems it takes 3-5 days for symptoms and virus to appear

5 day quarantine would mean they would need to be back in the bubble by Aug 1st
 
The virus can take several days to show up after they return from home and not necessarily show up in testing straight away
The test match starts in 8 days from today and i guess 3-4 days after they return

Thats why 14 days isolation is recommended

How is this even been allowed by the ecb? Have they ran this past the pcb?
The UK response to the pandemic has been moronic. My sister is a senior microbiologist there, and I don't have the words to describe the muddled thinking and susceptibility to lobbying which has clouded all decisions. I'm in a different speciality of medicine and I wouldn't trust the UK experts as far as I could throw them.

Pakistan will accept this as having been cleared by "experts" but it is dangerous, reckless, stupid and moronic.

As has been the entire UK response to Coronavirus from start to finish.
 
I know the NBA is (generally) doing a 4-day quarantine for players that are getting excused to leave the bubble.

Everything else I've read, it seems it takes 3-5 days for symptoms and virus to appear

5 day quarantine would mean they would need to be back in the bubble by Aug 1st

Our contact tracing in Australia is extremely advanced - in part because our case numbers are so low.

And I can tell you, we have cases which went positive on Day 2 (look at the passenger from CHC-SIN-Seoul this week) and we have other cases which went slightly over 14 days before turning positive.

This is just a stupid and dangerous decision. Pakistan should go home.
 
I will have a newfound respect for the PCB if they threaten to call of this tour if the ECB go ahead and release their players from the bio-secure bubble. Any respectable board would have done this rather than risk their players getting infected. But PCB is too chicken and will just nod along.
 
You don’t have to get yourself locked up. As long as the players are wearing masks which they obviously will, it is fine.

If Pakistan players were doing this, you would have said stupid players and spineless board who bowed down to the pressure of the players. So much for the professional shown by Wasim and Mani.
 
This is what other teams are going through:

Having been in a bio-bubble since the start of June, the West Indies journey home has been postponed due to a tropical storm in the Caribbean - So basically, another day trapped in a hotel for West Indies players!

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And here we have England complaining about it. Man up!
 
This is what other teams are going through:

Having been in a bio-bubble since the start of June, the West Indies journey home has been postponed due to a tropical storm in the Caribbean - So basically, another day trapped in a hotel for West Indies players!

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And here we have England complaining about it. Man up!

Again, the West Indies have been in their bio-bubble for about 7 weeks, whilst many England players have potentially another 7 weeks in it. If the experts deem they can be safely released and readmitted for a short break then they should be.
 
Again, the West Indies have been in their bio-bubble for about 7 weeks, whilst many England players have potentially another 7 weeks in it. If the experts deem they can be safely released and readmitted for a short break then they should be.

England want their cake and to eat it too You cant have it both ways If you want test series to be played sacrifices will have to be made like WI and Pakistan are making
 
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