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'England stars could quit in future if barred from IPL ' : Ashley Giles

White ball rules in English cricket.

Whether it's players or the Board.

And the results of this are there to see.

It’s convenient to blame IPL & white ball cricket for whatever is ailing test cricket in England - if IPL is the reason then other top teams playing in IPL like India, Australia & NZ should also be performing badly in red ball & Pakistan which doesn’t participate in IPL should be at the top of the rankings - clearly that has not happened!

I think the problem lies in the county system- too many county teams for the size of England cricket playing population means that the system is filled with mediocre players who keep on competing with each other. Look at the quality of the players coming through the system - Sibley, Crawley, Hameed, Leach, even Pope - they will barely get a chance in other top teams. The solution is to reduce the number of county teams & reach out more to the Asian population - but then England is also more resistant to change its traditional test cricket model than other countries.
 
england cant have a go at ipl with straight face when it organises a bloated county t20 tournamanet and a franchise 100 tournamanet.

ipl is here to stay, the other boards need to realise how to manage their player development around it.
 
I don't think anyone is blaming the IPL for all of England's problems but the window it gets and the money it throws around effects England's domestic season a bit more than other countries. But that is something England should sort out.

From where I'm sitting the problemnis alot deeper.

1) cricket is not a mainstream sport anymore. Its not watched on terrestrial TV and kids couldn't care less.

2) it is predominantly a rich white man's sport. Yes the Asian community plays it but they are ignored and not seen worthy of sharing a dressing room with the great middle englander.

3) the obsession with money in the game is killing it. They can't ignore the money from sky but at the same time that model doesn't work anymore due to the small niche viewership. The broad spectrum of uk society barely cares for it anymore.

4) instead of revamping the t20 league into a franchise city league they created a new comp. Stupid idea. It fills grounds but the cricket is meh.

5) the countybgame and test cricket is relegated ti an after thought. The more they donthis the worse they will get.

6) Pakistan India and aussies haven't ignored domestic cricket. With the funds they make they are looking to improve it. Eng just ignore it for short term gain.

7) Sheffield sheild is still the premier domestic 4 day comp. It produces cricketers like green etc.

8) too many counties ..mediocre players..same old same old..the ecb has failed total into the Asian community to gain more interest and players.

Finally in conclusion over the long term England are looking at multiple thrashings..the big three nonsense can only save them for a time..
 
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It’s convenient to blame IPL & white ball cricket for whatever is ailing test cricket in England - if IPL is the reason then other top teams playing in IPL like India, Australia & NZ should also be performing badly in red ball & Pakistan which doesn’t participate in IPL should be at the top of the rankings - clearly that has not happened!

I didn't mention the IPL in my post.

What I am referring to is the whole white-ball focus and priority by the ECB and the England players - The Hundred, T20 Blast, T20 leagues around the globe including the IPL.
 
I didn't mention the IPL in my post.

What I am referring to is the whole white-ball focus and priority by the ECB and the England players - The Hundred, T20 Blast, T20 leagues around the globe including the IPL.

The whole thread is about participation of English stars in IPL, so i automatically inferred you are referring to the IPL.

And focussing on white ball cricket doesnt mean that red ball should be sidelined - other countries manage them together. If anything its great that money earned from white ball cricket will be used to bolster up county cricket - instead of using outdated financial models including legacy trusts that many counties now use. ECB just needs to manage both red ball & white ball systems better.
 
England have enough money to put a good team in all formats, no sympathy for them.
 
England should just try and whack it in tests.

Prolly score bigger and last longer than poking and prodding themselves out.
 
With an impeccable sense of timing, Ashley Giles flies into Sydney next week to join up with the England squad ahead of the fourth Ashes Test. I know what you’re all thinking: if only he’d arrived earlier. How differently things might have panned out had the “Managing Director, England Men’s Cricket” been able to effect his unique brand of managerial direction earlier in the series? Perhaps, like Glenn McGrath in 2005 or John Snow in 1974-75, the Giles Effect (Conjecture) seems fated to remain an arresting counterfactual in the footnotes of Ashes history.

Instead, Giles arrives with the Ashes gone and English cricket in varying states of disarray. The captain, Joe Root, is said to be quietly seething at the manner of this defeat and the entirely foreseeable missteps that have led to it. Chris Silverwood, the man whom Giles decided to make the most powerful England coach of the 21st century, will probably end up leaving his job. However Tom Harrison, Giles’s boss and the chief executive of the England and Wales Cricket Board, still gets his share of a £2m bonus pot. So let’s charitably call it a mixed picture.

Of course, such is the level of public anger at this latest Ashes debacle that it is not entirely beyond the realms of possibility that all four of the above could be out of a job in the next few weeks. Silverwood feels the likeliest to go; Giles as the man who appointed him might also find himself dispensable collateral; Root will probably be given the right to go on his own terms should he wish; Harrison is beginning to show the strain of almost seven years at the helm, to the point where he has largely ceased being able to communicate in coherent English sentences.

For fans and pundits still stinging from the manner of this latest Ashes debacle, perhaps this would classify as a necessary purgation, a long-overdue cleansing of the stables: an opportunity to burn down the entire festering structure and build something afresh. Which feels instinctively right at a time like this, with England’s defeat widely being described as their worst in Ashes history. And yet perhaps the real lesson of this series is not about who needs to go, but who needs to come in.

After all this is – by recent standards, at least – a remarkably thin top team, consisting of no chairman, no chief selector or full-time selection panel, and a bare minimum of coaching staff. Silverwood’s absence from the Sydney Test after a close contact tested positive for Covid has merely underlined the paucity of coaching expertise on tour. Paul Collingwood has left to concentrate on the white-ball tour of the West Indies, Jeetan Patel and Jon Lewis are also isolating, and so pretty much the entire setup is currently in the hands of assistant coach Graham Thorpe.

In a way this is a pretty good metaphor for the organisation as a whole: a setup that has been brain‑drained, hollowed out from the inside. It is no secret that the last two years have had a punishing impact on the ECB’s finances. Staff have been furloughed and laid off. Reserves have been whittled down. Programmes have been cut. The official selection panel has been trimmed from four in 2018 to just one: Silverwood, whose latest brainwave was to leave out both Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad on a green wicket in Brisbane.

Perhaps some of the pruning was necessary: certainly there have been times in the past when Team England on tour felt more like a circus. But these days there seems to be a distinct absence of expertise at the heart of the setup: the innovation and imagination and life experience and variety of voices that moves a team forward, rather than simply keeping it running. For all his faults national selector Ed Smith was one such voice: a man prepared to embrace the heterodox, posit the wacky idea, imagine the world a shade of Joe Denly.

Andy Flower was another, and the decision to retain his services as Lions coach after the 2013-14 Ashes was a quietly inspired move. But perhaps the biggest loss was Sir Andrew Strauss, the man responsible for remaking English cricket twice: first as captain from 2009 to 2011, and then as director from 2015 to 2018, where he put in place the white-ball-oriented strategy that helped England win their first men’s World Cup.

This is not to argue that any of them is necessarily the right man right now, or that any of the current occupants necessarily deserve to stay. The broader point is that any successful team needs a surfeit of hard thought as well as hard work, an ability to see round corners and approach problems in new ways. With respect to both, neither Silverwood nor Giles really fit the bill: the latter having overseen a gentle regression of the white-ball side as coach from 2012-14, the former now having done the same to the Test side.

In Silverwood’s determination to “take the positives” from England’s third Test defeat there were echoes of Giles’s infamous claim in the wake of the humiliating defeat to the Netherlands at the 2014 World T20 that England had “warmed up well”. They are middle managers, factotums, details men, personally admirable and perfectly competent. They are the bread and cheese of any self-respecting organisation. But you also need people who aspire to more.

Instead, Silverwood and Giles were given the keys to the palace, and in the process we learned a good deal about the ECB’s attitude to Test cricket. That with a base level of competence it would essentially look after itself, while the more viable revenue streams were explored instead: 50-over, 20-over, 100-ball. Replacing the men themselves will be easy enough. Replacing the philosophy they embodied will be several degrees harder.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...hley-giles-middle-management-chris-silverwood
 
I don't think anyone is blaming the IPL for all of England's problems but the window it gets and the money it throws around effects England's domestic season a bit more than other countries. But that is something England should sort out.

From where I'm sitting the problemnis alot deeper.

1) cricket is not a mainstream sport anymore. Its not watched on terrestrial TV and kids couldn't care less.

2) it is predominantly a rich white man's sport. Yes the Asian community plays it but they are ignored and not seen worthy of sharing a dressing room with the great middle englander.

3) the obsession with money in the game is killing it. They can't ignore the money from sky but at the same time that model doesn't work anymore due to the small niche viewership. The broad spectrum of uk society barely cares for it anymore.

4) instead of revamping the t20 league into a franchise city league they created a new comp. Stupid idea. It fills grounds but the cricket is meh.

5) the countybgame and test cricket is relegated ti an after thought. The more they donthis the worse they will get.

6) Pakistan India and aussies haven't ignored domestic cricket. With the funds they make they are looking to improve it. Eng just ignore it for short term gain.

7) Sheffield sheild is still the premier domestic 4 day comp. It produces cricketers like green etc.

8) too many counties ..mediocre players..same old same old..the ecb has failed total into the Asian community to gain more interest and players.

Finally in conclusion over the long term England are looking at multiple thrashings..the big three nonsense can only save them for a time..

Anderson is blaming the pitchecs

https://cricketaddictor.com/the-ash...ance-between-red-ball-and-white-ball-cricket/
 
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England Test captain Ben Stokes is not risking his fitness for this summer's Ashes against Australia by playing in the Indian Premier League, according to coach Brendon McCullum.

Stokes struggled with his left knee during England's one-run defeat by New Zealand in the second Test.

The 31-year-old has confirmed he will play for Chennai Super Kings in the IPL, which starts on 31 March.

"He knows how to get right for the big moments," said McCullum.

All-rounder Stokes was only able to bowl two overs in Wellington, then struggled physically while batting on the final day. He scored 33 from 116 balls as England fell agonisingly short of their target of 258 in one of the greatest finishes in Test history.

Stokes said the injury is "incredibly frustrating" and confirmed he knows what the problem is but would not reveal it.

This season will be his first at the IPL since 2021, when he suffered a badly broken finger playing for Rajasthan Royals.

Chennai paid £1.63m for Stokes in December's auction. He said before the second Test against New Zealand that he planned to miss the end of the IPL in order to prepare for England's Test against Ireland at Lord's on 1 June.

Chennai are coached by McCullum's fellow New Zealander Stephen Fleming and the pair played golf together on Wednesday.

"I'll be talking to him and making sure he looks after the skipper," said McCullum, who is a former Chennai player.

"They're very good. They've got a good team and an outstanding leader in Flem. He sees the big picture in everything.

"I've no concerns that the skipper will be totally looked after and I also believe that the Ashes is the script that the skipper is waiting to write, so he'll be sweet."

England's first Test in the five-match Ashes series against Australia is at Edgbaston on 16 June.

Australia have held the Ashes since 2018 but have not won in the UK in 22 years. The last series hosted by England was drawn 2-2.

"We have the opportunity to really start to plot and plan and turn our attention to what's going to be a pretty amazing time in the guys' lives: an Ashes series at home against a good Australian side," said McCullum.

"We'll go into it with a lot of confidence. We know they're a good side. We'll work out who wins."

McCullum also said that England batter Zak Crawley retains his full support, despite the opener going eight innings without passing 50.

Crawley, 25, has played 33 Tests since making his debut in 2019, averaging 27.60 with the bat.

"I have said right from my time being here that he is one of those players who is going to be inconsistent because of the role he is asked to perform, which is to impose himself on the opposition and play a style that puts them under pressure," said McCullum.

"Our team is set up at the top of the order for Zak to play like that.

"From my conversations with Ricky Ponting, the Australians respect him for the instinct and power he has, and how destructive he can be. He is still a big player for us moving forward."
 
So another injury - How serious are England about international cricket

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Sussex fast bowler Jofra Archer has been ruled out for the rest of the summer after recent scans revealed he has sustained a recurrence of a stress fracture to his right elbow. He will now spend time with the England and Sussex medical teams, who will work on his injury management.
 
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