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Oh dear England :))

That was clownshoes from Buttler especially
 
This looks like such high quality sport. Does India have such good cameras and broadcast n stuff? For a test series I mean.
 
Really embarrassing for Englishmen to have been dominated in such a ruthless fashion by Australia, all the chest thumping and glorification should settle down now after this shambolic defeat in their own turf.
 
Well at least England get a day off to get some extra net practice in now
 
Not even close. Australia win by 405 runs. England need to rejig that batting order. For all the talk of a flat wicket, Australia's bowlers looked a class apart.

1-1, glad of it too. Home sides have been too dominant in recent Ashes. Gonna be a cracking series.
 
Atleast in the first test Australia fought it out and atleast competed in first innings but the way England have surrendered in this test at their own turf is nothing short of embarrassing and pathetic, yes Australia lost the first test too but the manner in which the Englishmen have folded in just 37 overs and losing by 405 runs is just pathetic.
 
Truly one of our worst performances in years, credit to Australia for bossing the game start to finish.

A couple of weeks to reflect on this horror show are definitely needed.
 
Big Mac said:
Well at least England get a day off to get some extra net practice in now
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Even if they practice at nights, there is no chance in hell they can win the Ashes, I feel its gonna be 3-1 to Australia. It will be hard for Englishmen to bounce back from this demoralizing loss, it was phainta of epic proportions.
 
wow, crazy fightback really been a very odd series so far close in the scoreline but the two tests have been as one sided as you can get this test smith and rogers finished 3/495 england bowled out twice for 415
 
That 2nd innings was a disgrace. England batsmen look like they just accepted the defeat and got themselves out so they could get an extra days rest.

405 run loss at home is a complete joke. Lyth, Ballance, Bell and Buttler are not test batsmen. Bell was, but he's finished.
 
trogger said:
wow, crazy fightback really been a very odd series so far close in the scoreline but the two tests have been as one sided as you can get this test smith and rogers finished 3/495 england bowled out twice for 415
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Austalia 10/820, England 20/415
 
If england don't win this series that stokes run out might become one of those ashes moments that gets talked about for years to come.
 
Wow I didn't even think England would lose let alone lose by such a big margin. Absolutely dismal performance by England.
 
Gut-less performance from England. How do you crash out for 100 when you're playing 8 proper batsmen?
 
Blimey, I went out for a Sunday drive with Mrs Robert and come back to Ashes obliteration!

Played Aussies - excellent adaptation from the reverse at Cardiff.

Dunno how England can respond to this, short of changing a couple of top-order batters and giving Imaginary Horse a rest - he was 10 mph slower than at Cardiff.
 
Man Of Steel said:
You were licking their boots a week ago jumping up and down in euphoria riding their bandwagon, weren't you?
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My memory is failing in my advanced age, please quote my boot licking posts to remind me and everyone else about just how euphoric I was.
 
Solid performance by Australia

Lyth/Bell need to go

Why not go back with (not sure if this was ODI/Test)

Cook
Bell

Moeen at 6

and bring in a real spinner

Bell cant be any worse than Lyth and if you don't want to drop him, have him open and make him stay out there, he's literally an opener anyway with how quick the wickets fall
 
Bilal7 said:
Gut-less performance from England. How do you crash out for 100 when you're playing 8 proper batsmen?
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They simply gave up.

Just like we gave up by the 4th and 5th tests in our tour.

When you give up, even the 1 or 2 good batsmen in your side have no motivation to play. By the end of England series, even Rahane and Vijay were playing like tailenders.
 
Ninth biggest win in terms of runs. Biggest run win ever since Australia beat Pakistan at Perth in 2004. Biggest win by runs by a touring team since 1980. Talk of an one sided test match.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
They simply gave up.

Just like we gave up by the 4th and 5th tests in our tour.

When you give up, even the 1 or 2 good batsmen in your side have no motivation to play. By the end of England series, even Rahane and Vijay were playing like tailenders.
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No we not only gave it up, England was simply great.
They were outstanding and we were simply crap.
 
The pitch disappointed me I have to say. The pitch on day 4 was more or less the same as day 2 which sums it up really.
If you keep giving Australia these type of pitches they will butcher you all day long.
They have aggressive batsmen who like to score quickly, and such pitches stimulates their appetite. Most importantly they have multiple bowlers bowling at 144 click an hour which can't be easy for opposition batsmen even on a flat deck. The aggressive approach from their bats gives them enough time to take 20 wickets.
I've seen these guys plunder the best attack in the world scoring 450+ runs in a single day, Australia don't play around they play brutal cricket. How naive of the curators not to live at least grass on the pitch to even things out as the English bowlers are much slower than their counterparts.
I hope there is moisture and a bit of green in the next test, and I know which side will crumble at the first sight of sideways movement.
 
Looks like England is done for the rest of the series !! This is just not a crack in their shield …. it is a huge hole !! But any drastic change will only backfire for sure. Any new comer will not be able to face up to the 90 mph thunderbolts.
 
IndianWillow said:
Ninth biggest win in terms of runs. Biggest run win ever since Australia beat Pakistan at Perth in 2004. Biggest win by runs by a touring team since 1980. Talk of an one sided test match.
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Good game for us but the scoreline reads 1-1, a lot still to do
 
soso_killer said:
The pitch disappointed me I have to say. The pitch on day 4 was more or less the same as day 2 which sums it up really.
If you keep giving Australia these type of pitches they will butcher you all day long.
They have aggressive batsmen who like to score quickly, and such pitches stimulates their appetite. Most importantly they have multiple bowlers bowling at 144 click an hour which can't be easy for opposition batsmen even on a flat deck. The aggressive approach from their bats gives them enough time to take 20 wickets.
I've seen these guys plunder the best attack in the world scoring 450+ runs in a single day, Australia don't play around they play brutal cricket. How naive of the curators not to live at least grass on the pitch to even things out as the English bowlers are much slower than their counterparts.
I hope there is moisture and a bit of green in the next test, and I know which side will crumble at the first sight of sideways movement.
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They prepared this road to negate Aussie quicks especially Johnson who humiliated them in last Ashes, they thought if they can prepare tracks like UAE where Pakistan defeated Australia convincingly, they can get an upper hand on Aussies but guess not. The plan has come to bite them in their backsides and I can't see Englishmen bouncing back from this obliteration, 3-1 to Australia.
 
loves_cricket said:
No we not only gave it up, England was simply great.
They were outstanding and we were simply crap.
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England outplayed us (of course not taking credit from them) but do watch our batting in the 4th and 5th test (from the 2nd inings of 4th test) except for Dhoni. The final innings of the 5th test was a farce. Humiliating. We actually wanted to get out and get away from the whole thing.

The point being....Bilal asked why would England get out for 100 inspite of having a deep lineup and actually winning the last game. Part of it was that England gave up.
 
I don't think England can recover from this psychological blow.

First thing they need to do is prepare a pukka swing track to get back in this series.

That's would be a good start.
 
soso_killer said:
The pitch disappointed me I have to say. The pitch on day 4 was more or less the same as day 2 which sums it up really.
If you keep giving Australia these type of pitches they will butcher you all day long.
They have aggressive batsmen who like to score quickly, and such pitches stimulates their appetite. Most importantly they have multiple bowlers bowling at 144 click an hour which can't be easy for opposition batsmen even on a flat deck. The aggressive approach from their bats gives them enough time to take 20 wickets.
I've seen these guys plunder the best attack in the world scoring 450+ runs in a single day, Australia don't play around they play brutal cricket. How naive of the curators not to live at least grass on the pitch to even things out as the English bowlers are much slower than their counterparts.
I hope there is moisture and a bit of green in the next test, and I know which side will crumble at the first sight of sideways movement.
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I am so happy when pattas backfire.

Prepare swing track, seam track, rank turner - anything but these pattas must be humiliated.
 
Having Nevill and Marsh in the batting order and on the field made all the difference. Had they been introduced last game, Australia would be sitting at 2-0.
 
One all then. Aussie quicks just too good. A thrashing and a half.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I am so happy when pattas backfire.

Prepare swing track, seam track, rank turner - anything but these pattas must be humiliated.
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CA is going to prepare some massive pattas against the Windies because they're scared of 3 day tests
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I don't think England can recover from this psychological blow.

First thing they need to do is prepare a pukka swing track to get back in this series.

That's would be a good start.
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That would probably be even worse as the only times Starc looks absolutely deadly is when it swings. Otherwise, he's mediocre.

England's problems are with their batting. You can't expect your lower order to save you every time when you collapse to 3-4 down for nothing on the board. Bell needs to go, Lyth looks below test standard, as does Ballance. With 3 passengers in your top order, you can't win anything.
 
405 Australia's margin of victory in this game, their third biggest in an Ashes Test, in terms of runs. This is also the ninth-biggest win for any team in Test history, with Australia holding five of the top nine spots.
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Not a bad way to make a statement :))
 
WrexEverything said:
That would probably be even worse as the only times Starc looks absolutely deadly is when it swings. Otherwise, he's mediocre.

England's problems are with their batting. You can't expect your lower order to save you every time when you collapse to 3-4 down for nothing on the board. Bell needs to go, Lyth looks below test standard, as does Ballance. With 3 passengers in your top order, you can't win anything.
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Swing track gives them some chance.

Pattas ensure Aussie batters pile up and Aussie bowlers prise out the wickets.

Australia's weakness is batting. Hit them where it hurts and hope for the best.
 
Convict said:
CA is going to prepare some massive pattas against the Windies because they're scared of 3 day tests
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I can understand against WI (who will get rolled over too easily) but in general when they to it...spectators will lose interest after a while.

Tests in Australia used to be sooo much prestigious and fun. Nowadays its hard to take all the runs scored in Australia seriously. Something must be done about those pitches which are going from bad to worse to worst.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
First thing they need to do is prepare a pukka swing track to get back in this series.
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There is no such thing as a "swing track". Some grounds have more orthodox swing than others due to microclimate effects. It is all due to rising moist air. The Australians were swinging the ball more than the Englishmen at Lord's. Anderson is the only orthodox swing bowler England have and he was gun-barrel straight there.

You mean a slow green wicket with lateral movement off the deck where the Aussies will get out lbw and won't be able to score fast.

But England won't get one of those, I think.
 
Robert said:
There is no such thing as a "swing track". Some grounds have more orthodox swing than others due to microclimate effects. It is all due to rising moist air. The Australians were swinging the ball more than the Englishmen at Lord's. Anderson is the only orthodox swing bowler England have and he was gun-barrel straight there.

You mean a slow green wicket with lateral movement off the deck where the Aussies will get out lbw and won't be able to score fast.

But England won't get one of those, I think.
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Ok my bad. I meant a track that assists pacers and hope there is swing in the air.
 
Robert said:
There is no such thing as a "swing track". Some grounds have more orthodox swing than others due to microclimate effects. It is all due to rising moist air. The Australians were swinging the ball more than the Englishmen at Lord's. Anderson is the only orthodox swing bowler England have and he was gun-barrel straight there.

You mean a slow green wicket with lateral movement off the deck where the Aussies will get out lbw and won't be able to score fast.

But England won't get one of those, I think.
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The usually dry Lord's track was green last time when we played. So something like that.
 
soso_killer said:
The pitch disappointed me I have to say. The pitch on day 4 was more or less the same as day 2 which sums it up really.
If you keep giving Australia these type of pitches they will butcher you all day long.
They have aggressive batsmen who like to score quickly, and such pitches stimulates their appetite. Most importantly they have multiple bowlers bowling at 144 click an hour which can't be easy for opposition batsmen even on a flat deck. The aggressive approach from their bats gives them enough time to take 20 wickets.
I've seen these guys plunder the best attack in the world scoring 450+ runs in a single day, Australia don't play around they play brutal cricket. How naive of the curators not to live at least grass on the pitch to even things out as the English bowlers are much slower than their counterparts.
I hope there is moisture and a bit of green in the next test, and I know which side will crumble at the first sight of sideways movement.
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I would never take a chance with Aus and SA ( more recently NZ also) on phattas. The only chance to beat these teams is by giving your bowlers some sort of parity and forcing low scoring bowling shootouts.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
The usually dry Lord's track was green last time when we played. So something like that.
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It was green for one day then went dead on the second day after the grass died in strong sun.

What is a bit perplexing is that the Lord's strip a couple of months ago when the Kiwis were here had a bit of zip and a bit of lateral movement. MCC groundsman Mick Hunt said he could not get this one ready in time due to the rain.

While PPers are saying that "England" asked for flatties to nullify the Mitchell Brothers, it is interesting to hear Chef say "We would like to play on English-style wickets" yesterday. So they are not getting what they want.

All I can say is that if the ECB really are persuading County and MCC groundsmen to make wickets to help England, they could do a much better job of it!
 
Anybody who claims that pitch was designed to help England is just an England hater looking for an excuse to hate. That wicket was the last thing England would have wanted. That test match reminded me of the type of performance you'd find in somewhere like Brisbane.

England have always struggled at Lords against the Aussies. Took over 70 years to win a test match at that ground.
 
England's lack of planning for the future under Strauss and Flower is coming back to haunt England. Between June 2010 and March 2012 not a single Test debut was handed out. You could argue that's because England were winning and had a settled side. But there were dead rubbers along the way where you could've just given a young lad a go.

22 of the last 30 England debutants have come from just five counties: Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire, Warwickshire, Durham and Middlesex. And the ECB tell us the county system isn't broken ! When will we do away with this anachronistic system.
 
Man Of Steel said:
You've already won the Ashes, don't worry about it. Englishmen aren't good enough to recover from this flogging.
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It's still just one test win no matter how huge the margin.

2005 we headed into the 4th test 1-1 and it ended badly.

2009 we squared things up with a big win in the 4th test and it ended badly.

2010/11 we squared things up with a big win in the 3rd test and it still ended badly.

If we win at birmingham it will mean we are in control of the series until then this is just a nice start to the fightback not job done.
 
trogger said:
If we win at birmingham it will mean we are in control of the series until then this is just a nice start to the fightback not job done.
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Birmingham is England's fortress, just as Lord's is Australia's. The crowd will get after Johnson and he may go into Sloop mode again. Clarke knows this now and will try to protect him by bowling him at certain times.

Hopefully the Warks groundsman will make a seaming track, to muck the Aussies up with lateral movement which the Mitchell Brothers may be too fast to exploit. But I expect another flattie because that is all what we usually get now.
 
Robert said:
Birmingham is England's fortress, just as Lord's is Australia's. The crowd will get after Johnson and he may go into Sloop mode again. Clarke knows this now and will try to protect him by bowling him at certain times.

Hopefully the Warks groundsman will make a seaming track, to muck the Aussies up with lateral movement which the Mitchell Brothers may be too fast to exploit. But I expect another flattie because that is all what we usually get now.
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The third of the Mitchell brothers might be a handful on that sort of wicket
 
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