What's new

England v Australia | 2nd Test | Lord's | Australia won by 405 runs

Status
Not open for further replies.
Thing about Mitchell Johnson that he can just take the conditions out of the equation. Even if the pitch is slow, when he's cranking the speed up to high 140s he's still a handful.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
England in tatters.

Pitch does not seem to be easy to bat on all of a sudden.
Click to expand...

It has certainly quickened up this afternoon. Good toss to win!

I think it is time to dispense with Bell. Push Rooooooot up to #4 and bring in Bairstow.
 
Markhor said:
Thing about Mitchell Johnson that he can just take the conditions out of the equation. Even if the pitch is slow, when he's cranking the speed up to high 140s he's still a handful.
Click to expand...

I'm not sure he can. He still needs something in the pitch to be effective I think. This pitch did look a bit livelier than yesterday even when England were bowling. Anyway I don't think Mitch will ever bowl like he did in the last ashes.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I'm not sure he can. He still needs something in the pitch to be effective I think. This pitch did look a bit livelier than yesterday even when England were bowling. Anyway I don't think Mitch will ever bowl like he did in the last ashes.
Click to expand...

No I don't think he'll reach those heights again either. But he's got his length right today compared to how wayward he was at Cardiff.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] - I think you could push Root as high as 3. Call me old fashioned but I think your best batsman should be at 3. I hate it when batsmen are hiding down the order, it frustrated the hell out of me when Yousuf and Inzy would bat at 5 or 6 for no reason, and there was a case for Inzy batting at 3. If he keeps having to come in at 30-3, then he might as well come in early anyway.

Same with Root. England can't always get away with the Joe Root Rescue Job - he is human after all.
 
Astonishing - Sloop John B one match, Denis Keith L the next. Just shows how much of this game is played in the mind.
 
Lyth goes 2nd ball - Starc strikes too early.

91wKa7N.gif
 
Absolutely embarrassing lol.

Looks like 1-1 and a top series to come.
 
Every team knows if you play under pressure you will not do well. So why do they get bogged by the scoreboard pressure? Why don't the play their normal game - imagine you are batting first and pretend there is no score to overhaul? May be the scoreboard pressure is just an excuse for not doing well? The difference between pressure players and chokers, I think, is precisely this. Pressure players always play as if they are trying to chase themselves, and not their rivals or their huge score. Even the most hardiest of players may feel nervy when the match goes to a wire, but they don't get bogged down when the match is far from over.
 
Robert said:
Don't say die 'til you're dead. :hug Only 290 more to reach the follow-on.
Click to expand...

Won't happen, I know this English side, no matter how aggressive they become and change their style of play in their so called "aggressive brand of cricket" they'll always be a mentally weak side and will most likely than not crumble underpressure which is on full display now. You're gonna eat your words very soon!
 
"Hopefully they'll play their aggressive brand of cricket tomorrow" :mj :))
 
That rain that is forecast all day on Sunday is going to cost England victory. Really annoying.
 
IndianWillow said:
Every team knows if you play under pressure you will not do well. So why do they get bogged by the scoreboard pressure? Why don't the play their normal game - imagine you are batting first and pretend there is no score to overhaul? May be the scoreboard pressure is just an excuse for not doing well? The difference between pressure players and chokers, I think, is precisely this. Pressure players always play as if they are trying to chase themselves, and not their rivals or their huge score. Even the most hardiest of players may feel nervy when the match goes to a wire, but they don't get bogged down when the match is far from over.
Click to expand...

It's not just about the batsmen though. The bowlers on the opposition have their confidence up up of being over 550 runs ahead so they can steam in. That makes things more difficult obviously for the batting team.
 
Man Of Steel said:
Won't happen, I know this English side, no matter how aggressive they become and change their style of play in their so called "aggressive brand of cricket" they'll always be a mentally weak side and will most likely than not crumble underpressure which is on full display now. You're gonna eat your words very soon!
Click to expand...

I'm brave enough to do that. You weren't brave enough after the Cardiff result.
 
As usual, when Mitch Johnson scores runs in one game he takes wickets in the other :)))

By the way, can someone point me out to a reliable site where I can watch the days's highlights without getting a million requests to upgrade my flash player?

Thank you
 
Man Of Steel said:
Won't happen, I know this English side, no matter how aggressive they become and change their style of play in their so called "aggressive brand of cricket" they'll always be a mentally weak side and will most likely than not crumble underpressure which is on full display now. You're gonna eat your words very soon!
Click to expand...

What happened to that mentally weak side in 1st test? :)
 
IndianWillow said:
Every team knows if you play under pressure you will not do well. So why do they get bogged by the scoreboard pressure?
Click to expand...

Well, most players start thinking about it, and then that takes them out of The Zone. England have some who find it easier to keep the 'monkey mind' quiet and stay in The Zone - Cook, Root, Stokes, Moeen and Broad are examples.
 
gani999 said:
As usual, when Mitch Johnson scores runs in one game he takes wickets in the other :)))

By the way, can someone point me out to a reliable site where I can watch the days's highlights without getting a million requests to upgrade my flash player?

Thank you
Click to expand...

Just use AdBlock Plus to hide the advertisements.
 
Aus well on top but still 3 days to go. If the sun is out tomorrow expecting Eng to put up a good fight. If not ignore the part where I said still 3 days to go.
 
Nothing happened to the pitch. The bowlers became faster and better. It's always difficult for trundlers to get wickets on dead pitches. I will be surprised if we don't see a green or semi-green pitch next game.

On topic, that's more like it from Australia.:mj
 
MarkCooper said:
That rain that is forecast all day on Sunday is going to cost England victory. Really annoying.
Click to expand...

Where was that forecast?

Your metoffice has it raining heavy before play and maybe a few showers on and off during the day.
 
Nothing can stop Aussies from achieving a comfortable win over England and making it 1-1, it'll be naive to think England can still make a comeback with only 6 wickets remaining in their first stint and then following it up with another dismal batting performance. Even God can't save Englishmen this time around.
 
Pitch is still great for batting and cook is still there facing an older ball so long way to go, after witnessing that cook/trott horror show at the gabba years ago can't take things for granted.
 
If Australia get Cook in first session England will struggle to avoid follow on however if they don't he will bat and bat and bat some more.

Getting Cook is the key to this game.
 
Maybe I was being a bit rash last night.

There's definitely a chance for England to draw this game, if Cook bats at his best and then the 2nd innings shows a big improvement.

But, the scoreboard pressure and the momentum being against England could have things sewn up by this evening.
 
Man Of Steel said:
Aussies need to bat for atleast half an hour after tea and extend their lead to 600, that would demoralize Englishmen even more, grind them into dust!
Click to expand...

Man Of Steel said:
Won't happen, I know this English side, no matter how aggressive they become and change their style of play in their so called "aggressive brand of cricket" they'll always be a mentally weak side and will most likely than not crumble underpressure which is on full display now. You're gonna eat your words very soon!
Click to expand...

Man Of Steel said:
Nothing can stop Aussies from achieving a comfortable win over England and making it 1-1, it'll be naive to think England can still make a comeback with only 6 wickets remaining in their first stint and then following it up with another dismal batting performance. Even God can't save Englishmen this time around.
Click to expand...


Rather obvious troll

Is rather obvious
 
James said:
Maybe I was being a bit rash last night.

There's definitely a chance for England to draw this game, if Cook bats at his best and then the 2nd innings shows a big improvement.

But, the scoreboard pressure and the momentum being against England could have things sewn up by this evening.
Click to expand...

Plenty of chance, we still have a lot to prove with the ball in england and we have to get through a deep batting order twice on a pretty unfriendly bowling deck and with some rain around days four and five it will help your cause as well.

I think we need cook and at least one other wicket in the 1st session to stay on track for the win.
 
Neferpitou said:
Nothing happened to the pitch. The bowlers became faster and better. It's always difficult for trundlers to get wickets on dead pitches. I will be surprised if we don't see a green or semi-green pitch next game.
Click to expand...

The Beeb site said it quickened up a little, though it is still relatively roady. See how Broad started getting wickets.

What happened was that the Aussies learned from Cardiff to pitch it up, they could come in full speed for an hour, with the catchers up and not worrying if they got driven, and the England batters were tired after five-and-a-half sessions in the field. Lyth played a stupid shot too - no need for that.

It was good to watch proper fast bowling again - not seen in England for a few years now.

Anyway there is rain on the way tomorrow. A lot hinges on how Chef does.
 
Not feeling Ponting's new jet-black hair. Why don't Aussies ex-cricketers grow into middle age gracefully like their English counterparts do? ;-)
 
It's a flat pitch. The Australian bowlers have done well enough to get four wickets. Which usually happens when one team racks up a high score batting for the best part of two days. England's way back in this match is to prolong this innings as much as possible and tire out the Australian bowlers. So even if they don't cross the follow on target, they cause enough exhaustion for Clarke to take a second dig batting. And then obviously bat with more resolve in the second dig.
 
It's all about avoiding the follow on. If England avoid it they save the game but if they don't then Clarke will almost certainly enforce it because of uncertainty about the weather and Australia will win this test match if that happens. So England need another 281 runs with 6 wickets remaining. It will depend on Cook and Stokes forming a big partnership and the tail sticking around.
 
ali bubba said:
It's all about avoiding the follow on. If England avoid it they save the game but if they don't then Clarke will almost certainly enforce it because of uncertainty about the weather and Australia will win this test match if that happens. So England need another 281 runs with 6 wickets remaining. It will depend on Cook and Stokes forming a big partnership and the tail sticking around.
Click to expand...

Yeah. They will have to counterattack to get up to 366. Only three proper wickets left, though. Tall order.
 
Time for Stokes to make a big name. This innings could really make his career as an allrounder.
 
ali bubba said:
It's all about avoiding the follow on. If England avoid it they save the game but if they don't then Clarke will almost certainly enforce it because of uncertainty about the weather and Australia will win this test match if that happens. So England need another 281 runs with 6 wickets remaining. It will depend on Cook and Stokes forming a big partnership and the tail sticking around.
Click to expand...

If England get bowled out for sub 300, Australia will enforce a follow on. Enforcing borderline follow-ons have often come to bite the team in the driver's seat. If England get 300+, Australia will try to get quick 200 odd and hand England an unenviable chase of 450 in 5 sessions.
 
Robert said:
Not feeling Ponting's new jet-black hair. Why don't Aussies ex-cricketers grow into middle age gracefully like their English counterparts do? ;-)
Click to expand...

Like Vaughan, Gooch et al? You may not get them plugging their wigs in the UK
 
IndianWillow said:
If England get bowled out for sub 300, Australia will enforce a follow on. Enforcing borderline follow-ons have often come to bite the team in the driver's seat. If England get 300+, Australia will try to get quick 200 odd and hand England an unenviable chase of 450 in 5 sessions.
Click to expand...

Well if England avoid the follow on then they will have batted out the day needing 281. So that means 6 sessions for Australia to get another 200 + runs ( which England will set defensive fields for) and then take 10 wickets. Not easy, when you also take into account there is expected rain interruptions tomorrow. If that scenario happens, expect Clarke to declare with a 350 run lead.
 
The pitch seems to have quickened up a bit, and is expected to continue quickening for most part today. The last day will see a lot of wear & tear and surviving won't be easy at all, let alone scoring.

Australia's primary target would be to get England all out by Tea today, make them follow on. The bowlers would surely get some rest as Rain is anyway expected tomorrow.
 
Robert said:
Not feeling Ponting's new jet-black hair. Why don't Aussies ex-cricketers grow into middle age gracefully like their English counterparts do? ;-)
Click to expand...

A certain twitter pic of Ian Botham wants to disagree with you.
 
Stokes reminds me a lot of Freddy. Nut on the same level as a player yet but attitude is same and both are extremely watchable.
 
Gutsy start.

But it could all go very wrong very quickly.
 
leatherface58 said:
Stokes reminds me a lot of Freddy. Nut on the same level as a player yet but attitude is same and both are extremely watchable.
Click to expand...

Stokes is already a better bat IMO, in terms of bowling and catching though it's not really a comparison worth making at the moment.
 
What is cook trying to proves? He has been there for ages but still 10 short of his 50 :facepalm: He's too naive to think that he's gonna save this test with 3 full days to go.
 
Anyone know of any HD Quality Sky Sport 2 stream that I can check out, mine is pretty low quality stream, if anyone is watching the match on HD stream of the same channel, please post the link.
 
This could be a long long day, needs to poms to throw a few away to lyon like we did with ali first test.
 
Cook: The most conservative opener among all test playing nations, but he's my only favorite player in this England line up.
 
Cook is the left handed Azhar Ali of English cricket, the difference is he has much more solid technique and can accelerate when needed while on the other hand AA is pure tuk-tuk and doesn't have the ability to accelerate.
 
Just gotta be patient and keep it tight, these two are batting well in good batting conditions
 
Follow-on target not a million miles away now.

If we reach that number, then chance of losing definitely decreases.
 
James said:
Follow-on target not a million miles away now.

If we reach that number, then chance of losing definitely decreases.
Click to expand...

Still a tough ask, with Stokes out now. Probably six sessions left in the game, assuming that two taken out by rain tomorrow. Wing and a prayer stuff, but England are good at that.
 
Johnno definitely not in Sloop mode today. Bowling superbly on a flat deck. Wouldn't be surprised to see his name on the Honour's Board before this game is up.

And what an on-drive from Cook off Starc there actually. Been back to his best this season.
 
Alistair Cook is slowly getting back to his best with each passing game, he's too good a player to miss out.
 
Can't believe it was the same cook Pre-WC who struggled against part timers and trundlers nicking it to keeper and slips time and time again and getting out LBW to mediocre part time spinners like Dilshan!
 
I didn't think Buttler would do much today. I am not convinced by him in the long game, and he should be coming in behind Beard IMO. Bring back the Cheese!
 
Man Of Steel said:
Can't believe it was the same cook Pre-WC who struggled against part timers and trundlers nicking it to keeper and slips time and time again and getting out LBW to mediocre part time spinners like Dilshan!
Click to expand...

Since he got dropped from the JAMODI side he averages 63 in tests.
 
Whilst chaos ensues around him, teammate after teammate heading back to the pavilion, Alastair Cook is still out there.

Not my cup of tea as a batsman, but he's a gritty so and so.
 
Would never have thought all those years ago that the bits and pieces Sri Lankan all-rounder Kumar Dharmasena would go on to become an elite level umpire :))
 
Well that's cruel. Cook deserved his hundred. Another inside edge onto the stumps.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

The Bald Eagle
South Africa (138 & 285/5) defeat Australia (212 & 207) by 5 wickets in the final to clinch the World Test Championship 2023/25 title
16 17 18
Replies
1K
Views
20K
wrongun
W
Devadwal
  • Locked
Australia vs India | 2nd Test | Adelaide Oval | December 06 | Pre-Match Discussion
2 3 4
Replies
293
Views
8K
jnaveen1980
J
Cricket Warrior
India (150 & 487/6d) beat Australia (104 & 238) by 295 runs in the 1st Test of Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2024-25
28 29 30
Replies
2K
Views
41K
FearlessRoar
FearlessRoar
mominsaigol
Does Australia have an unfair advantage for the upcoming World Test Championship 2025-27 cycle?
Replies
21
Views
1K
harshjoshi87
harshjoshi87
The Bald Eagle
Second Test between Australia (445 & 89/7d) and India (260 & 8/0) ends in a draw as the 5-match series is level 1-1
15 16 17
Replies
1K
Views
25K
BouncerGuy
BouncerGuy
Back
Top