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First most important update - there's not a single rainy day predicted for the entire 5 days at Lord's for the 2nd Test match between England and India.

After first test England is a team who will be more happy as indian team think they clearly robbed off a win due to rains .

What is india playing eleven for 2nd test assuming green top.

Knowing Virat he may play same team but i want to play both Ashwin & Jadeja .

My team -
Rohit
Rahul
Pujara ( last chance) if he failed then play vihari
Virat
Rahane ( last chance )
Pant
Jadeja
Ashwin
Bumrah
Shami
Siraj/ Ishant

England will definitely Play Hameed instead of Crawley .if pope is available to play then he will also play in place of Lawrence .

Burn
Sibley
Hameed
Root
Bairstow
Butler
Pope/ Lawrence or a spinner if they want to play
Curran
Robinson
Broad
Jimmy
 
If it is overcast, I go with four pacers and Jadeja or else both Ash-Jaddu and three pacers.

Ishant should be back in next test and one of Siraj or Shami should be rested.
 
Glad we (Indians) got away with a draw. Tbh would have loved a fighting loss than a no fight draw.

But I think we will win at Lords. Hopefully no rain
 
England may have escaped from a 5-0 all thanks to the rain gods, but no one's gonna save them from a 4-0 now.

Root won't score 173 every time and Kohli Rahane pujara won't fail together again. Things are gonna get ugly for Joe's Boys from here on. Team Byjus is now more hungry for a win after it was snatched away from their mouths today.

Please cover your eyes if you're an England fan. Ignore my advice at your own peril. :inti
 
Given the forecast of warm weather and a possible heatwave in London this week, the wicket is likely to be drier than usual. If that turns out to be the case, India will definitely recall Ashwin in place of Thakur on Thursday.
 
England should always have a reserve day not just Tests championship. So many tests were ruined by rain there.
 
Gutted that we lost a chance to win the 1st Test. All that due to rain. Pathetic!
 
England need to drop Broad and bring in Mark Wood

Wood
Anderson
Sam Curran
Robinson

These four have to play
 
England need to drop Broad and bring in Mark Wood

Wood
Anderson
Sam Curran
Robinson

These four have to play

Bowling is fine, they need to strengthen spin by dropping Lawrence or Crawley for Moeen.
 
Glad we (Indians) got away with a draw. Tbh would have loved a fighting loss than a no fight draw.

But I think we will win at Lords. Hopefully no rain

No it was England who got lucky with rain. India were the favourites to win the first test on the last day. If anything England will feel happier of the two sides.
 
England did fight back well throughout the match, and they created a chance for themselves to win the first Test, but the balance of play was still 70-30 in India’s favour with only 150 runs to get. Trent Bridge often seems to be a good ground for Asian sides as well. So England got away with one there.

India have been the favourites to win this series all along. With the weather set fair at Lord’s, and the expected conditions, I would back them to take this Test match. England’s stronger grounds in this particular series come later on: Headingley, The Oval, Old Trafford.
 
If people think India's middle order is out of form, England doesn't have a single batsman aside from Root. India needs just 1 of Pujara/Rahane/Kohli to click and get 350+ on board. England needs Root to score 70+ every innings to even reach 250.
 
England did fight back well throughout the match, and they created a chance for themselves to win the first Test, but the balance of play was still 70-30 in India’s favour with only 150 runs to get. Trent Bridge often seems to be a good ground for Asian sides as well. So England got away with one there.

India have been the favourites to win this series all along. With the weather set fair at Lord’s, and the expected conditions, I would back them to take this Test match. England’s stronger grounds in this particular series come later on: Headingley, The Oval, Old Trafford.

Any information about pitch ? How goona it will behave ? Or typical green pitch which was used last two tour of india.
 
Any information about pitch ? How goona it will behave ? Or typical green pitch which was used last two tour of india.

It is Lord’s so will be a slow seamer.

England should bring in Moeen, Hameed and Wood for Lawrence, Crawley and Broad respectively, and give Wood the new ball.
 
Anderson was still to come. He would have taken England home with about thirteen overs to spare.

You know Kohli is great at chasing. The target here was a rather small one for someone of his quality. Jimmy would have taken wickets at the other end, Kohli standing like a mountain would have taken India home.
 
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You know Kohli is great at chasing. The target here was a rather small one for someone of his quality. Jimmy would have taken wickets at the other end, Kohli standing like a mountain would have taken India home.

Kohli doesn’t have a good record against Anderson. So he would be the first one to fall like a rolling stone rather than standing like a mountain and Anderson would have taken England home
 
You know Kohli is great at chasing. The target here was a rather small one for someone of his quality. Jimmy would have taken wickets at the other end, Kohli standing like a mountain would have taken India home.

Kohli has never helped india successfully chase in ENgland or New Zealand, in test cricket. These are two places with oft overcast skies or wet summers. So not quite sure where you're getting this from.
 
Former captain Geoffrey Boycott has slammed the England batsmen for showing lack of patience and technique in the drawn first Test against India.

Boycott feels some of the batsmen can't resist the temptation of poking at the ball when it is not meant to be hit and said too much focus on one-day cricket is adding to their struggles.

Skipper Joe Root was only England batsmen who made an impact in the series-opener, scoring 109 and 64 in his two innings.

"I recently bumped into Graham Gooch and we chatted about England’s batting. He summed it all up by saying: “Fiery, if bowlers keep it tight for four balls, then you know our batsmen will have a go at the fifth and sixth deliveries and there is every chance they will get themselves out," Boycott wrote in The Telegraph.

"The culture of cricket has changed. Many of us batsmen love playing shots and because of the diet of one day cricket, modern players are pretty good at it, but it is their defensive technique that lets them down.

"It might sound unfashionable because of franchise leagues to talk about staying in and being defensive but, like Goochie said, teams only have to bowl a few good balls because they know batsmen will soon be tempted to play a big shot."

England's batsmen had also struggled in the preceding home series against New Zealand.

"We supporters are disappointed when they look to attack all the time, but we should not be surprised, because that is the type of cricket they have been taught at county level.

"Look at Zak Crawley. He is symptomatic of the problem. Over the last number of years young batsmen have been taught to whack the ball because there are so many one day matches," lamented Boycott.

"The talk is all about strike rates but for Test match cricket that is a load of rubbish. If you can't defend, then top bowlers in Test match cricket with a newish ball will find your weaknesses. What is the point of having a range of eye-catching strokes if you can't stay in? That is the root cause of his problems."

He also had a go at opener Rory Burns and Dom Sibley.

"Not just former Test players but even club players look at Rory Burns and Dom Sibley and think they can do better.

"Sibley is the opposite of Crawley. He has stickability but his lack of strokes hurts him. He cannot rotate the strike, so if he cannot move his score along, and the team’s score, then he creates enormous pressure on himself.

"Burns is like Sibley. First innings he lasted five balls. It was a repeat of previous dismissals. He started his front foot forward on the wrong side of the ball and then realised he had picked the wrong length," said Boycott.

Then came the turn of Jos Buttler and Dan Lawrence.

"I don't know what to say about Dan Lawrence. It is just footwork with him. They have to find someone else.

"Jos Buttler is a sad tale. In the first innings he got nought off 18 balls and could have been out about seven times. His footwork and judgement were non-existent, but it is not surprising because he has not played any four-day matches.

"Many of our batsmen don't get enough preparation before Tests with proper county cricket.

"I don't think our administrators understand how difficult it can be to transfer the mental approach and way of batting from trying to hit every ball to the different tempo and technique required for Test matches," he added.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...rs-need-only-few-balls-to-dismiss-them/390917
 
Moeen Ali set to be added to England's squad for the 2nd Test match against India. Haseeb Hameed could also return. (Reported by The Guardian).
 
My team would be:

1. Rory Burns
2. Haseeb Hameed
3. Ollie Pope
4. Joe Root (c)
5. Jonny Bairstow
6. Jos Buttler (wk)
7. Moeen Ali
8. Sam Curran
9. Ollie Robinson
10. Stuart Broad
11. Jimmy Anderson

That leaves the batting awfully thin though.
 
Would be nice to see Livingstone in the test squad, another star in the making. Reminds me of KP in terms of hair style :ua
 
Moeen Ali called up to the England Men’s Test squad

Worcestershire spinning all-rounder Moeen Ali has been added to the England Men’s Test squad for the LV= Insurance second Test against India at Lord’s starting on Thursday (12-16 August).

Ali, 34, last played Test cricket in February in the second Test in Chennai during England’s tour of India.

He will join the Test party later today and will train this afternoon with the England squad.


England Men’s Test Squad:

Joe Root (Yorkshire) Captain
Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
James Anderson (Lancashire)
Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire)
Dom Bess (Yorkshire)
Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
Rory Burns (Surrey)
Jos Buttler (Lancashire)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Sam Curran (Surrey)
Haseeb Hameed (Nottinghamshire)
Dan Lawrence (Essex)
Jack Leach (Somerset)
Craig Overton (Somerset)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Ollie Robinson (Sussex)
Dom Sibley (Warwickshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
 
India should be unchanged but if Kohli's captaincy's history is anything to go by, he would make atleast one change.

I don't necessarily believe Haseeb Hameed is going to transform English batting but he can't do any worse than Crawley.

I would drop Crawley, Lawrence and Bairstow for Hameed, Moeen and Foakes. But Foakes isn't in the squad.
 
If eng insists on playing white ball players in the test team and not rewarding county performers such as Leach, Jake libby, Ryan Higgins and Overton,
Then might as well play livingstone at no 3. He has a good fc average and a good timer of the ball.

Bairstow has also suddenly found himself an opportunity to cement his place in the XI
 
Its bright and sunny in London with the weather expected to remain the same throughout the week. England got saved by rain in 1st test but looks like their luck will run out in Lords. Unless we underperform, India should win the test match. I predicted the same in last game that we will win and my prediction remains the same for this game too.

Rahul
Rohit
Pujara (1 more chance)
Kohli
Rahane (1 more chance)
Pant
Jadeja
Ashwin
Bumrah
Shami
Siraj

This above team will pretty much seal the deal irrespective of whom so ever Eng plays.
 
My England line-up for the 2nd Test:

1. Rory Burns
2. Dom Sibley
3. Jonny Bairstow
4. Joe Root (C)
5. Moeen Ali
6. Dan Lawrence
7. Jos Buttler (WK)
8. Sam Curran
9. Ollie Robinson
10. Mark Wood
11. James Anderson
 
Time for Haseeb. The England top 3 is woeful.
 
My line up 3 fast bowlers 2 spinners last chance for Crawley.
Roy Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Lawrence
Baistrow
Moeen
Curran
Bess
Robinson
Anderson
 
Moeen might bring pujara back into form on a flat lords pitch.
Moeen hasn't had red ball practice in a while so he may bowl loosely.

If india bat first and score 400, they will most likely win
 
No doubt Ind are stronger out of the 2 sides but as shown already they have vulnerabilities in their batting. England have to get Wood fit and firing and produce what he has promised to do all his career and actually take wickets
 
England may have escaped from a 5-0 all thanks to the rain gods, but no one's gonna save them from a 4-0 now.

Root won't score 173 every time and Kohli Rahane pujara won't fail together again. Things are gonna get ugly for Joe's Boys from here on. Team Byjus is now more hungry for a win after it was snatched away from their mouths today.

Please cover your eyes if you're an England fan. Ignore my advice at your own peril. :inti

Don't be so overconfident. :inti
 
Broad has tweaked his calf and will go for scans tomorrow.

England seamer Stuart Broad has tweaked his right calf in today’s warm-up at Lord’s.

He was unable to train this afternoon with the rest of the England squad.

Broad will have a scan tomorrow to determine the extent of his injury.
 
Stuart Broad out too? England team is getting weak with each passing day in this series. :inti

Its a lucky break for them. He looked way past it in the last game and was easiest pick among all bowlers. A young Wood replacing past it Broad is actually better for England. Its bit like how Wriddhiman Saha's injury in 1st test in Australia proved lucky for us bcoz Pant replaced him for subsequent games and rest became history.
 
Its a lucky break for them. He looked way past it in the last game and was easiest pick among all bowlers. A young Wood replacing past it Broad is actually better for England. Its bit like how Wriddhiman Saha's injury in 1st test in Australia proved lucky for us bcoz Pant replaced him for subsequent games and rest became history.
Not sure whether Wood is replacing him. :inti
 
Go with all pacers attack and Pujara will struggle for even a 50 as he mostly blocks vs pacers and then scores vs spinner.

With a spinner in and also a point to prove, Pujara should do well next test.
 
Moeen, Haseeb and Pope should come in for Sibley, Crawley and Lawrence.

Root needs to man up and bat at 3 he's the best batter and should be at 3 always.
 
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Kohli has never helped india successfully chase in ENgland or New Zealand, in test cricket. These are two places with oft overcast skies or wet summers. So not quite sure where you're getting this from.

Kohli nonetheless is a very good chaser. He would have scored well when chasing a small score.
 
Kohli doesn’t have a good record against Anderson. So he would be the first one to fall like a rolling stone rather than standing like a mountain and Anderson would have taken England home

The target was a small one. Kohli and the rest of the batsmen would have got there having only lost one wicket. Rohit was also still at the crease too.
 
Stuart Broad out too? England team is getting weak with each passing day in this series. :inti

Stronger, by accident. I think Broad is past it. He has done nothing this year, didn’t take a wicket in India.

Burns
Sibley
Hameed
Root
Pope
Moeen
Buttler
Curran
Lawrence
Wood
Anderson

This is one of England’s better bowling attacks of the last few years.

The very weak top order should be stiffened by Hameed which will take pressure off Root, and Moeen has a good record against India with bat and ball.
 
Stronger, by accident. I think Broad is past it. He has done nothing this year, didn’t take a wicket in India.

Burns
Sibley
Hameed
Root
Pope
Moeen
Buttler
Curran
Lawrence
Wood
Anderson

This is one of England’s better bowling attacks of the last few years.

The very weak top order should be stiffened by Hameed which will take pressure off Root, and Moeen has a good record against India with bat and ball.

You dont want Robinson in your team ever after the 5fer in last game?
 
England, India docked two WTC points for slow over-rate

Both the teams now have two points each in the ICC World Test Championship 2021-23 standings heading into the second Test at Lord's.

Apart from the point deduction, hosts England were also fined 40% of their match fee for slow over-rate while Virat Kohli's India were also penalised 40% by match referee Chris Broad.

The first Test between England and India at Trent Bridge ended in a draw. With the game evenly poised, both teams were left frustrated on the final day as the game was called off without a ball being bowled.

The two teams will now clash in the second Test at Lord's on Thursday, 12 August and will hope to put a win against their names in the ICC World Test Championship table.

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The target was a small one. Kohli and the rest of the batsmen would have got there having only lost one wicket. Rohit was also still at the crease too.

It was cloudy. Anderson and the rest of the bowlers would have got there having there was 3 sessions left. Broad was also finding some rhythm too.
 
It was cloudy. Anderson and the rest of the bowlers would have got there having there was 3 sessions left. Broad was also finding some rhythm too.

How dishonest you can be? Even England fans here agreeing that India was favourite to win the game. India already knocked off 52 runs previous evening. You think they wouldnt have scored 157 runs with 9 wickets in hand after taking heavy roller in the morning?

Yes, anything can happen in cricket but probability of an Indian win was much higher. At the end of the day Joe Root would be happy and thank rain for the narrow escape. Indian team on the other hand would rue the missed chance of making it 1-0.

You are arguing for the sake of it and without any cricket logic.
 
Lancashire seamer Saqib Mahmood has been added to the squad as cover for the LV= Insurance second Test against India.

Spinner Dom Bess will leave the squad and return to Yorkshire this morning.
 
Lancashire seamer Saqib Mahmood has been added to the squad as cover for the LV= Insurance second Test against India.

Spinner Dom Bess will leave the squad and return to Yorkshire this morning.

ENgland's pace bowling looked average, I think Saqib should play, he could literally play instead of anyone bar Jimmy (Broad will have a whinge haha). His pace, swing early and late are al llevels above what England are offering. I would also play Wood.
 
How dishonest you can be? Even England fans here agreeing that India was favourite to win the game. India already knocked off 52 runs previous evening. You think they wouldnt have scored 157 runs with 9 wickets in hand after taking heavy roller in the morning?

Yes, anything can happen in cricket but probability of an Indian win was much higher. At the end of the day Joe Root would be happy and thank rain for the narrow escape. Indian team on the other hand would rue the missed chance of making it 1-0.

You are arguing for the sake of it and without any cricket logic.

Just like some English think India were favourites, I (being an Indian) have all rights to think England were favourites.

Do not force your opinion on me. For me England win probability was much higher. You are forcing your opinion on me without any basic logic let alone cricket logic.

England would be the one who would think they miss going one up in the series. Kohli would be happy rather than embarrassing himself with a loss after the golden duck. You’re just dumb and biased af
 
It's good to see Moeen back.

He has single-handedly destroyed india in 2014 and has very good record against India.

He could very well be the man of the match
 
James Anderson missed England's training session ahead of the second Test as he is suffering from a tight quad
 
I think India has a good chance of winning the second test.

Conditions would be dry and helpful for spinners. With Broad and (probably) Anderson out too, you cannot get a better chance than this.

Ashwin should come in place of Thakur
 
England should play

#07. Moeen Ali
#08. Sam Curran/ Dom Bess
#09. Ollie Robinson
#10. Mark Wood
#11. James Anderson/ Saqib Mahmood
 
Just like some English think India were favourites, I (being an Indian) have all rights to think England were favourites.

Do not force your opinion on me. For me England win probability was much higher. You are forcing your opinion on me without any basic logic let alone cricket logic.

England would be the one who would think they miss going one up in the series. Kohli would be happy rather than embarrassing himself with a loss after the golden duck. You’re just dumb and biased af

Which team's win % was higher?

It was 65% for India, 30% for Eng and 5% for draw. So no one is forcing opinion on you but experts who predicts forecast have had India as favourite.

157 runs to get with 9 wickets in hand in the morning when teams ask for heavy roller is an easy task. If a batting line up failed to chase that its called an upset. Probabilty of an upset is less than a norm.

As I said anything can happen in cricket but the way you are convinced that an upset would have happened and India would have lost the game suggest to me that you are a poor reader of this great sport.
 
James Anderson missed England's training session ahead of the second Test as he is suffering from a tight quad

If Anderson misses out too...then you can finally and perhaps accurately call it a Eng B side.
@Bhaag_Viru_Bhaag
:inti
 
If Anderson misses out too...then you can finally and perhaps accurately call it a Eng B side.
@Bhaag_Viru_Bhaag
:inti
After watching the last Border Gavaskar trophy England have clearly realised their path to victory is ensuring most of the first XI is ruled out or unavailable. Clever
 
Half the first choice of England is unavailable

#05. Ben Stokes
#07. Chris Woakes
#09. Jofra Archer
#10. Stuart Broad
#11. James Anderson

I think this bowling line up would have exposed the weak middle order of India.

But good for India, can easily register their first series win. Only problem is Rahane and Pujara will continue being the first choice :(
 
Half the first choice of England is unavailable

#05. Ben Stokes
#07. Chris Woakes
#09. Jofra Archer
#10. Stuart Broad
#11. James Anderson

I think this bowling line up would have exposed the weak middle order of India.

But good for India, can easily register their first series win. Only problem is Rahane and Pujara will continue being the first choice :(

First series win where?
 
Which team's win % was higher?

It was 65% for India, 30% for Eng and 5% for draw. So no one is forcing opinion on you but experts who predicts forecast have had India as favourite.

157 runs to get with 9 wickets in hand in the morning when teams ask for heavy roller is an easy task. If a batting line up failed to chase that its called an upset. Probabilty of an upset is less than a norm.

As I said anything can happen in cricket but the way you are convinced that an upset would have happened and India would have lost the game suggest to me that you are a poor reader of this great sport.

Again do not force ur opinion on me. Cricket is not played on spreadsheets. This numbers are not from experts lol. Shows ur knowledge on cricket. It’s from historic data, which doesn’t mean much as it’s different players and different conditions altogether

You’re just a biased person and who loves forcing his thoughts on people, typical brown mentality
 
Half the first choice of England is unavailable

#05. Ben Stokes
#07. Chris Woakes
#09. Jofra Archer
#10. Stuart Broad
#11. James Anderson

I think this bowling line up would have exposed the weak middle order of India.

But good for India, can easily register their first series win. Only problem is Rahane and Pujara will continue being the first choice :(

Broad is useless nowdays ,he cant get any wickets in india also last test only get one wicket . Robinson is performing better than Woakes & Archer so they not miss them .only Stokes & Anderson who they are missing.
 
Broad is useless nowdays ,he cant get any wickets in india also last test only get one wicket . Robinson is performing better than Woakes & Archer so they not miss them .only Stokes & Anderson who they are missing.

They’re missing all 5. Woakes is their best test AR. Archer is the enforcer and Broad is Broad, he doesn’t need any explanation, he’s good at getting in form
 
Home series if india not play bumrah ,Ishant ,Shami & jadeja still they will beat any team so this is not excuse for England if they Lost this series. But still i feel England will win this series
 
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