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England v India | 3rd Investec Test | July 27-31, 2014 | Ageas Bowl

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Rahane is INdia's best batsman. Love how some Indians were calling him a hack a few months ago. NOw he's overtaken Kohli and Pujara.
 
And minus your strike bowler :D- India thought the same post Lords and look where it has ended with.....

Could be. Lots of pressure on Broad if that happens. But England want to win the series, rather than stuff the side with batsmen and hope for draws. I would bring Kerrigan in, and swap out Jordan, who has had a poor match, for Plunkett. Woakes has looked good without taking any wickets.
 
That's just marvellous! Very well done.

Everything is slotting into place for Cook's new team. A new spinner emerging, the #3 berth filled and a keeper apparently born to play for England.

15 wickets in the series so far. not sure many people gave him a chance to get 20.
 
Pretty sure Anderson is going get a ban for at least a game or two. I recall seeing somewhere that it could even be 4 Tests?
 
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Such performances make me feel like giving up on Indian Cricket. Disgraceful loss. Team looked disinterested from Day 1.
 
Just when our fans were hyping this mediocre team they go ahead and lose spectacularly. England played well. Credit to them but they would do well to not read too much into this win. Our batting is overrated and our bowling - non existent. Better teams would thrash this outfit senseless.
 
Just when our fans were hyping this mediocre team they go ahead and lose spectacularly. England played well. Credit to them but they would do well to not read too much into this win. Our batting is overrated and our bowling - non existent. Better teams would thrash this outfit senseless.

I firmly believe that this is a good Indian side and with a better captain who understands test cricket they could be really good overseas.
 
I firmly believe that this is a good Indian side and with a better captain who understands test cricket they could be really good overseas.

How is Dhoni to blame in all this? Batsmen not scoring runs, bowlers not taking mistakes and Dhoni is still made the scapegoat.
 
Just when our fans were hyping this mediocre team they go ahead and lose spectacularly. England played well. Credit to them but they would do well to not read too much into this win. Our batting is overrated and our bowling - non existent. Better teams would thrash this outfit senseless.

Ahh the perennial arm chair critics or should i say fair weather supporters?

Pray how many tests the top 5 all inclusive have played- the bowling i give you is dire and there is nothing new in that- been that since my grand dads time- yes better team would thrash us away and the only way we can learn is by playing more away

Which kind of reminds me the SA tour- wasnt a senseless thrashing was it? and that outfit SA was many miles ahead of what England outfit has ever been or will be....

So really its not all doomsday.... I can count on my fingertips the India wins away since late 80's and this outfit is not worse than any of those who won- all about clicking and will sooner than later
 
How is Dhoni to blame in all this? Batsmen not scoring runs, bowlers not taking mistakes and Dhoni is still made the scapegoat.

- Bad selection by keeping Ashwin out.
- Dhawan should have been kicked out of the team by now.

I am sure a captain has a say on all this. The day he came up with this playing 11, most posters criticized him right away. He is an extremely defensive captain.
 
- Bad selection by keeping Ashwin out.
- Dhawan should have been kicked out of the team by now.

I am sure a captain has a say on all this. The day he came up with this playing 11, most posters criticized him right away. He is an extremely defensive captain.

- Ashwin would have made no difference to the result.
- Dhawan's still better than the other options.

And I'm talking about in the match, not prior to it.
 
- Ashwin would have made no difference to the result.
- Dhawan's still better than the other options.

And I'm talking about in the match, not prior to it.

That's what you think. Most would disagree.

Match was lost with the defensive team selection.
 
Cannot believe its the fourth match soon and India have not picked Ashwin.
Against England notoriously good at playing spin.

India too negative so far, Moeen has been the best spinner can't believe people rate Jadeja as a spinner?!
Has India run out of spinners, I thought it was conveyor belt in India? I am surprised.
 
How is Dhoni to blame in all this? Batsmen not scoring runs, bowlers not taking mistakes and Dhoni is still made the scapegoat.

Negative cricket. Instead of taking charge after a win, he decided to play safe. He basically played with 3 bowlers and also used Jadeja to bowl negatively. Once England post that score there was no chance for India. It was not a 569/7 pitch. It was 400 pitch. Dhoni's negative captaincy let them score that many. If we had one more genuine bowler, there was no way they would have scored 550+.
 
That's what you think. Most would disagree.

Match was lost with the defensive team selection.

Negative cricket. Instead of taking charge after a win, he decided to play safe. He basically played with 3 bowlers and also used Jadeja to bowl negatively. Once England post that score there was no chance for India. It was not a 569/7 pitch. It was 400 pitch. Dhoni's negative captaincy let them score that many. If we had one more genuine bowler, there was no way they would have scored 550+.

Huh? Wasn't it only a few series ago where Jadeja was rated as the better spinner outside of dustbowls? Correct me if I'm wrong but Ashwin failed miserably whenever he has bowled outside the subcon while Jadeja has done well.

Unless you're talking about playing Ashwin instead of Sharma which looks great in hind-sight.
 
Huh? Wasn't it only a few series ago where Jadeja was rated as the better spinner outside of dustbowls? Correct me if I'm wrong but Ashwin failed miserably whenever he has bowled outside the subcon while Jadeja has done well.

Unless you're talking about playing Ashwin instead of Sharma which looks great in hind-sight.

Yes he has. But these are different pitches, assisting spin. Btw Jadeja did well in South Africa on a turning wicket.

Ashwin's is only a 19 match old career and its a fact that players improve with experience. Had someone used similar logic, then Angelo Mathews should never have played in his last English tour because he had been pathetic outside subcontinent. But Sri Lanka played Mathews, and he won them the series.
 
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Yes he has. But these are different pitches, assisting spin. Btw Jadeja did well in South Africa on a turning wicket.

Ashwin's is only a 19 match old career and its a fact that players improve with experience. Had someone used similar logic, then Angelo Mathews should never have played in his last English tour because he had been pathetic outside subcontinent. But Sri Lanka played Mathews, and he won them the series.

Exactly. Jadeja did well in South Africa and deserved to play here.

How is a comparison with Matthews even sensible? He's the captain of the side and would play regardless. If he wasn't then he might not have played.
 
Exactly. Jadeja did well in South Africa and deserved to play here.

How is a comparison with Matthews even sensible? He's the captain of the side and would play regardless. If he wasn't then he might not have played.

Ofcoz, Jadeja did deserve to play. Ashwin should have been played for Rohit Sharma.

As for the comparison, that is sensible because it shows that few failures abroad do not mean that players cannot recover out of them. Mathews did, so can Ashwin.

Spinners did damage in this Test, and Ashwin could have made a huge impact here.
 
Huh? Wasn't it only a few series ago where Jadeja was rated as the better spinner outside of dustbowls? Correct me if I'm wrong but Ashwin failed miserably whenever he has bowled outside the subcon while Jadeja has done well.

Unless you're talking about playing Ashwin instead of Sharma which looks great in hind-sight.

I am not saying this in hindsight. Right from the toss I was against the inclusion of an extra batsman. That's a negative move. No I never rated Jadeja. He is a part timer. Moeen Ali is far better than him. To make things worse Dhoni made him bowl a negative line for most of the test match. That's just playing straight into Cook's hands. He gave Cook and other English batsmen time to settle down. Dhoni's test captaincy is outright garbage. I don't hate Dhoni, but from my experience he is the worst test captain I have seen.
 
Huh? Wasn't it only a few series ago where Jadeja was rated as the better spinner outside of dustbowls? Correct me if I'm wrong but Ashwin failed miserably whenever he has bowled outside the subcon while Jadeja has done well.

Unless you're talking about playing Ashwin instead of Sharma which looks great in hind-sight.

1. Before coming to England, Jaddu didn't have some great stats overseas. 6 of his 9 wickets came in that Durban spin track where even Robin Peterson picked up a bunch.

2. Ashwin played 3 of his 4 tests in Australia when he was new. He played with a team which couldn't strike early and he always had to come in and be defensive. He wasn't good overseas but I am sure you understand that Australia tours are harsh on off spinners especially newbies. Even Kumble was not that great on his first Australia tour. In Joberg he bowled only 1 innings. 4 overs in the 1st innings.

3. Ashwin is very good against lefties. England now has new faces and lefties.

Not saying picking Ashwin would solve all problems or he might even do well but based on current data, he must have been picked.

I predicted even before the match that this was crazy captaincy. Defensive as hell.

Plus remember we don't have Sachin or Sehwag or Ganguly to bowl those few overs when our bowlers get tired. Rohit, Vijay are barely part time. Joe Root is far more superior and he is England's 6th bowler.
 
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Ashwin should have been in place of Rohit Sharma.

Shami must have been replaced.

Said this so many times even before this test started.
 
This Inidan team has a lot of passengers.

Dhawan/Kohli/Pujara/Rohit/Shami.

I am going to wait before I decide on Pankaj and Jaddu. Jaddu at least scores some runs.

Kohli and Pujara deserve a long leash.

So basically, we need to replace Dhawan/Rohit/Pankaj with Gambhir/Ashwin/Pandey

Pandey is not a spray gun and hit the deck kind of bowler. He is going to extract a lot of bounce which can trouble batsman.

My team..
Gambhir
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Ashwin
MSD
Jaddu
BKumar
Pandey
Shami

Ahswin is a much better bat than Rohit and is a strike bowler. Jaddu can be his containing partner.
Last chance for Shami. If he fails, then he deserves to be dropped and Ishant will take his place.

Gambhir might fail like Dhawan. But he will battle it out and if he gets lucky, he will convert those starts to big scores unlike Dhawan.
 
Ahh the perennial arm chair critics or should i say fair weather supporters?

Pray how many tests the top 5 all inclusive have played- the bowling i give you is dire and there is nothing new in that- been that since my grand dads time- yes better team would thrash us away and the only way we can learn is by playing more away

Which kind of reminds me the SA tour- wasnt a senseless thrashing was it? and that outfit SA was many miles ahead of what England outfit has ever been or will be....

So really its not all doomsday.... I can count on my fingertips the India wins away since late 80's and this outfit is not worse than any of those who won- all about clicking and will sooner than later

We are all armchair critics here. BTW I honestly don't believe a team is any good without any world class bowlers. Just because we have a history of mediocre bowling attack s doesn't mean we shouldn't put in concerted efforts to get a system which churns out at least fairly good ones and yes I consider the likes of bhuvi to be substandard bowlers. We dont have the luxury of a powerful and dynamic batting lineup of gambhir sehwag Sachin dravid vvs at this point of time and despite all the hype behind che,kohli etc. they haven't exactly set the world on fire in this particular tour. And I'm not a fair weather supporter at all. And I was talking about better teams smashing england senseless not us. :)
 
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MSD playing for a draw cost us another overseas Test the sad part is his tactic will remain regardless of result.
 
This Inidan team has a lot of passengers.

Dhawan/Kohli/Pujara/Rohit/Shami.

I am going to wait before I decide on Pankaj and Jaddu. Jaddu at least scores some runs.

Kohli and Pujara deserve a long leash.

So basically, we need to replace Dhawan/Rohit/Pankaj with Gambhir/Ashwin/Pandey

Pandey is not a spray gun and hit the deck kind of bowler. He is going to extract a lot of bounce which can trouble batsman.

My team..
Gambhir
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Ashwin
MSD
Jaddu
BKumar
Pandey
Shami

Ahswin is a much better bat than Rohit and is a strike bowler. Jaddu can be his containing partner.
Last chance for Shami. If he fails, then he deserves to be dropped and Ishant will take his place.

Gambhir might fail like Dhawan. But he will battle it out and if he gets lucky, he will convert those starts to big scores unlike Dhawan.

I would pick Ishu over shami.
 
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