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England v New Zealand | 2nd Test | Headingley | 26/5/13 | Day 3

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Who is Steyn? I love aggression. Jimmy would learn from this. I dont rate Barbie TBH, bring back Onions
 
Rutherford was looking so good.
A pity he played such a stroke.
 
Good job Finn turned up today, the other two haven't so far! :moyo
 
SOSami said:
Sosami: first day is best for bowling

(New Zealand bowled on the first day)

Soso: so New Zealand had the best of the conditions?
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Day 3: Sosami "when England batted there was was cloud conver hence the ball swung. Day 4 was baking hot when NZ were in"

Soso "OK boss"
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
He's a minnow basher, two centuries one against Bangladesh and the other against Zimbabwe.

In India too he has a terrible average. All lies on Taylor, Kane is a good player in flat tracks

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/226492.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting
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He does fine in ODI's and t20s and if he bats like he did against SA he should smash this attack around the park. The ball isn't moving either he kept nicking off against the new ball, so against an older ball he should be able to take the attack to the English bowlers.
 
Kiwi's opinion looks unquestionable to me, I think we should just doctor the scorecard to give Guptill 120 runs because there's clearly no way England can handle this guy who averages 12 in Oz and 11 in SA.
 
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James said:
Kiwi's opinion looks unquestionable to me, I think we should just doctor the scorecard to give Guptill 120 runs because there's clearly no way England can handle this guy.
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He does fine in ODI's and t20s and if he bats like he did against SA he should smash this attack around the park. The ball isn't moving either he kept nicking off against the new ball, so against an older ball he should be able to take the attack to the English bowlers.
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Where does it say he'll get 100? We've taken your attack out before without swing you've got nothing. Guptill doesn't play swing well but against the English attack that doesn't offer much with the older ball he should able to attack them.
 
England team has got nothing apparently, Kiwi's awfully cocky considering his team couldn't beat us in their own backyard, is behind in this series, and hasn't beaten us in a Test for five and a half years.
 
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James said:
Kiwi's awfully cocky considering his team couldn't beat us in their own backyard, is behind in this series, and hasn't beaten us in a Test for five and a half years.
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The saffa was too good for us, while the english we're sitting in pavilion.
 
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Kiwi said:
The saffas were too good for us...
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I'm just asking you to use a bit of honesty and reason, some of the statements you have made in this thread have been laughable.
 
James said:
I'm just asking you to use a bit of honesty and reason, some of the statements you have made in this thread have been laughable.
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Like what? Have we not gifted you two wickets? Do you honestly think Anderson, Finn and Broad is a better attack than Boult, Southee and Wagner?
 
Kiwi said:
Like what? Have we not gifted you two wickets? Do you honestly think Anderson, Finn and Broad is a better attack than Boult, Southee and Wagner?
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Not sure about the bowling and I haven't actually said anything about the way our two attacks measure up, you are just making points up in your head for the sake of an argument.
 
James said:
Not sure about the bowling and I haven't actually said anything about the way our two attacks measure up, you are just making points up in your head for the sake of an argument.
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I was just pointing out down the order Guptill should be able to be more aggressive against the older ball, you're the one who brought up the century.
 
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Kiwi said:
I was just pointing out down the order Guptill should be able to be more aggressive against the older ball.
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Nice. And I personally think Guptil's batting averages of 23 in India, 12 in Oz and 11 in SA do not denote that he is a good player in big Test matches. He might get a score one day soon or in the future, there are always flukes. But as you said it doesn't matter either way, because our attack which won Test tours away in Australia and India is worth 'nothing' and 'has been taken apart before', by New Zealand no less - a team that has managed to beat us an impressive 2 times out of the last 15 Tests - so I guess Martin shouldn't be worried about getting out today, nor should the New Zealand team be worried about their record against England or anybody else in general.
 
Kiwi said:
I was just pointing out down the order Guptill should be able to be more aggressive against the older ball, you're the one who brought up the century.
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i love New Zealand and i'm sure you would have noticed that in my posts. But i'm sorry Guptull is not good enough for Test cricket. Old ball or not
 
James said:
Nice. And I personally think Guptil's batting averages of 23 in India, 12 in Oz and 11 in SA do not denote that he is a good player in big Test matches. He might get a score one day soon or in the future, there are always flukes. But as you said it doesn't matter either way, because our attack which won Test tours away in Australia and India is worth 'nothing' and 'has been taken apart before', by New Zealand no less - a team that has managed to beat us an impressive 2 times out of the last 15 Tests - so I guess Martin shouldn't be worried about getting out today, nor should the New Zealand team be worried about their record against England or anybody else in general.
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Enjoy your short stay at number 2, you don't have the talent to hold onto that rank for long unless you start recruiting more saffas.
 
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soso_killer said:
i love New Zealand and i'm sure you would have noticed that in my posts. But i'm sorry Guptull is not good enough for Test cricket. Old ball or not
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I'm hoping he plays it as another ODI and plays aggressively just sitting and waiting doesn't suit him. There aren't any demons in the pitch and the English aren't swinging it, so this could be the day for him.
 
Kiwi said:
He does fine in ODI's and t20s and if he bats like he did against SA he should smash this attack around the park. The ball isn't moving either he kept nicking off against the new ball, so against an older ball he should be able to take the attack to the English bowlers.
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Kiwi said:
Where does it say he'll get 100? We've taken your attack out before without swing you've got nothing. Guptill doesn't play swing well but against the English attack that doesn't offer much with the older ball he should able to attack them.
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At least the above posts were trying to spark a discussion about the cricket, but now Kiwi has been defeated on the main points he has resorted to the straw man points and the cheap trolling, transparent tactics in an argument.
 
Kiwi said:
I'm hoping he plays it as another ODI and plays aggressively just sitting and waiting doesn't suit him. There aren't any demons in the pitch and the English aren't swinging it, so this could be the day for him.
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you have R. Taylor for that. Williamson will drop anchor. That is a good combination for test cricket. Instead of someone who scores a hundred once in a blue moon
 
Guptill has improved.
If i am not wrong he Scored a fifty while opening against Steyn,Philander and Morkel.
 
soso_killer said:
you have R. Taylor for that. Williamson will drop anchor. That is a good combination for test cricket. Instead of someone who scores a hundred once in a blue moon
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Need Ross Taylor to dig in as well and establish a partnership before he starts attacking.
 
I hate miles per hour. Use Kilometers please. Same applies with pounds instead of kilograms
 
I wonder if you could just be a bit consistent Kiwi, apparently we have nothing when the ball isn't doing much yet we're doing quite well here, and earlier you said the ball wasn't doing much so we were rubbish, so which line of logic is it to be?
 
James said:
I wonder if you could just be a bit consistent Kiwi, apparently we have nothing when the ball isn't doing much yet we're doing quite well here, and earlier you said the ball wasn't doing much so we were rubbish, so which line of logic is it to be?
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We're playing badly but I admit Finn is bowling in the right line and troubling us with some good aggressive bowling.
 
Kiwi said:
We're playing badly but I admit Finn is bowling in the right line and troubling us with some good aggressive bowling.
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Well I'm of the opinion that apart from Root and Bairstow our batting order played pretty badly yesterday as well. But if I said that, you would claim I was not giving credit to the New Zealand bowlers and trying to deny their quality. Like I said I'm just asking for some consistency from you in your points. It's a reasonable request. Otherwise I have to concede you're just pursuing a biased anti-English agenda, which I really hope you're not because numerous posters on PP make that their main pastime.
 
James said:
Well I'm of the opinion that apart from Root and Bairstow our batting order played pretty badly yesterday as well. But if I said that, you would claim I was not giving credit to the New Zealand bowlers and trying to deny their quality. Like I said I'm just asking for some consistency from you in your points. It's a reasonable request. Otherwise I have to concede you're just pursuing a biased anti-English agenda, which I really hope you're not because numerous posters on PP make that their main pastime.
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You're batters are much better than ours. Our bowling attack taking 10 wickets against your batting is a lot different from your attack taking 10 NZ wickets.
 
soso_killer said:
England have used 3 bowlers over 24 overs? Where is Swann
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Headingley is the spinner's graveyard as far as English grounds go, usually Tests are won here with big runs and seamers taking wickets.
 
soso_killer said:
why select him in the 1st place then?
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They actually didn't select Swann when your blokes played us at Headingley, and England ended up doing alright in that match. However that kind of ballsy selection is not normally associated with England, so this year they have reverted to type.
 
What a beauty lol, brilliant. This guy could turn a cricket ball on a sheet of ice.

Brownlie gone, well I guess Aussies never could play spin.
 
Soso killer - Swann must be reading this thread.
 
Brownlie playing spin like a true Aussie.

Just need to get Craptill out now and NZ will fold like a deck of cards.
 
13 off 49 for Kane so far, England's rubbish bowling attack when the clouds go away getting smashed about at 80 for 4
 
1 off 1 for Guptill, that's a 100 per cent strike rate that, watch out England
 
England should sense the possibility of a follow on here. NZ still have batsmen to follow, but I am not sure they would cope with the bowling today. 2-0 has a better feel to it than a 1-0 . :misbah
 
Best analysis from Nasser - having two left-arm seamers creates a lot of rough for the enemy's offie later on. NZ living and dying by the sword :nasser
 
Swannster tearing into the Kiwis now. Kiwis slowly but surely being put in their place in these last 2 tests
 
Brendumb nearly gone first ball, now a review for LBW v Williamson
 
LOL NZ being reduced to the minnow side that they are by a quality player. 3 for 3 for Swann.

No doubt if Swann had been fit for the NZ tour then it would have been a different story.
 
England now showing the dominance they so often have at home over the last few years.

South Africa, England followed by daylight in tests at the moment.
 
We should be aiming to enforce the follow-on here. Apart from Brendon these batters are terrible.
 
NZ has lost 6 wickets for 30 runs in the first innings :))) Dismal
 
James said:
We should be aiming to enforce the follow-on here. Apart from Brendon these batters are terrible.
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With a bit of rain being being predicted for Tuesday, I am sure both Andy and Ali are thinking along the same lines.
 
@Ruri my man, how do you feel about Finn today, about the way he put Broad and Anderson's early morning mediocrity into perspective? We need different kinds of seamers to succeed as a team, and that's what Steven's wicket-to-wicket pace and bounce offers.
 
Kiwi said:
He does fine in ODI's and t20s and if he bats like he did against SA he should smash this attack around the park. The ball isn't moving either he kept nicking off against the new ball, so against an older ball he should be able to take the attack to the English bowlers.
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Once a minnow basher always a minnow basher :odoyo
 
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