England v Pakistan | 3rd ODI | Birmingham | 13th July, 2021 | Pre-match discussion

[MenInG]

So we now have our dignity to play for - more importantly the challenge is to avoid a 3-0 whitewash.

What changes should be made to the playing XI?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

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[hitthestump]

Faheem should be dropped. Yes it makes the tail seem long, but Faheem doesn't actually do anything to change that in reality.

Rauf also needs to make way. The experiment of chucking tape ball bowlers into international cricket has not worked. He must go to domestics.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

So we now have our dignity to play for - more importantly the challenge is to avoid a 3-0 whitewash.

What changes should be made to the playing XI?

there are super league points to play for as well. Not a dead rubber by any means. Bring Hasnain and drop Rauf..

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Knowing Misbah, I expect no changes to be made, and if there is a change then it’s likely he’ll drop Saud Shakeel for Agha Salman.

There’s no way Faheem, Imam and Rauf will get dropped, the 3 passengers on the team that contribute to nothing.

 

[Kroll]

Knowing Misbah, I expect no changes to be made, and if there is a change then it’s likely he’ll drop Saud Shakeel for Agha Salman.

There’s no way Faheem, Imam and Rauf will get dropped, the 3 passengers on the team that contribute to nothing.

They do contribute... to the other team winning.

I recall Faheem getting slapped for boundary after boundary in an over. Am like WTH?

 

[Saurav]

play some youngsters

Shafique for Imam

Hasnain for Rauf/Faheem

also bat Rizwan at 6

 

[YousafTheBeast]

They do contribute... to the other team winning.

I recall Faheem getting slapped for boundary after boundary in an over. Am like WTH?

I genuinely think Misbah isn’t mentally sane, because if I was the coach, and there was pressure on my position in the team, the last thing I want is to play guys like Faheem, Imam and Rauf to save me from getting sacked.

 

[Titan24]

Obviously should try to avoid whitewash but, need to bring in youngsters as well otherwise whats the point of carrying them around and not playing them even in dead rubbers. Trying Sohaib as opener can be a freakish idea to try and disrupt the lenghts of English bowlers (They have been accurate and no one tried to put them under pressure) as he has done well at no 3 and one time he opened for SP in national T20. However, Abdullah deserves a go at his number which is opening the batting.

Fakhar
Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam (C)
Saud Shakeel
Sohaib Maqsood
Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
Shadab Khan
Hassan Ali
Mohammad Nawaz/ Usman Qadir/ Wasim Jr
Haris Rauf/ Hasnain
Shaheen

 

[Titan24]

Another thing to look at would be the workload of Hassan and Shaheen. After this ODI, there are 3 T20s vs Eng then tour of WI with 2 tests and 5 T20s. This is a dead rubber and now a days its important to keep your main bowlers fresh and ready to go.

 

[Billa86]

We are likely to lose again so maybe an opportunity to allow some of the reserve players so they can get some international experience rather than carrying water bottles....

 

[alishahid]

Fakhar Zaman
Mohammed Rizwan
Babar Azam
Sarfaraz Ahmed
Saud Shakeel
Sohaib Maqsood
Shadab Khan
Mohammed Nawaz
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammed Hasnain

This is a better line up from whats available on tour. England D side definitely has struggle against spin so nawaz is a very good option. Sarfaraz has a chance at 4 which he could secure if plays well. Sarfaraz to keep wickets since rizwan has to open as well

 

[Ahmed216]

Pak cricket needs a completely different approach.
Focus has to shift from individual performances to winning games for the team.
Hassan ali's shot in the last game proved he was not interested in winning the game for the side because he had already had a good day. he just swing at every ball after getting a good start. Games have been won in the past from worse situations with determination and fight.
Plus batting and bowling are both very technical arts we need good coaches at every level.

 

[Ahmed216]

Abdullah
Fakhar
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Sohaib
Nawaz
Qadir
Hassan
Hasnain
Shaheen

 

[Rafa]

Will Pakistan gather a consolation win in the Final Odi ?

Or is it too much to ask ? How confident are you as a Pakistan fan ?

From dreaming about whitewashing this England side we will have to be content with avoiding a whitewash now.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Or is it too much to ask ? How confident are you as a Pakistan fan ?

From dreaming about whitewashing this England side we will have to be content with avoiding a whitewash now.

Depends.

If Misbah is willing to drop a player who plays with the exact play-style he encourages, being Imam-ul-Haq, then yes, we can win.

It's a dead rubber anyways, so what's the harm in trying some changes.

Our problem starts due to a lack of cushioning if we lose an early wicket. Babar has been surprisingly unreliable.

Faheem must also be dropped.

The playing XI I will encourage is this:

Fakhar Zaman
Sohaib Maqsood (both will have to go hard in the powerplay, and put England on the back-foot.)
Babar Azam (c)
Saud Shakeel (Shakeel and Babar will keep things steady all things considered.)
Sarfaraz Ahmed (unfortunately, this position doesn't suit Rizwan but Sarfaraz is good enough.)
Salman Ali Agha (batting all-rounder, has a decent SR in List A cricket)
Shadab Khan (both Shadab and Hasan are bowling all-rounders in my eyes.)
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf
Mohammad Hasnain

Hasnain and Shaheen should open with the new ball, and Rauf should partner with Hasan in the middle overs.

Shadab, Saud, and Salman offer three different spin-bowling options.

 

[Bewal Express]

Abdullah has to play, if he doesnt play here then he shouldnt be touring.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Abdullah has to play, if he doesnt play here then he shouldnt be touring.

he is been touring since the NZL series, didnt get a ODI game yet...

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Imam and Fahim should be dropped. I feel like Saud Shakeel has a good game for an opener. Nawaz should replace Fahim but I guess the management will be itching to get Sarfraz in the final game again.

But then again, I don't see Imam getting dropped either. God we have such mediocre options for the (mediocre) players occupying key slots in the team.

Hasnain experiment should end now. Been 2.5 years of horror and no improvement to show for. Haris should be axed by the next series as well.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Misbah the clueless and the most stubborn guy has been destroying Pak cricket ever since he got power back in 2010..

I mentioned many times here in pp , when he was appointed coach cum selector that he will take this Pak team back to his old days with his meek and stubborn approach..

He comes across as a guy who wants change but resist to take the risk to make or apply the change... Always gonna play safety first card even against weak teams and will never be able to build a team or manage a built one either ...

 

[Saj]

May as well give the guys who haven't played yet a chance.

Nothing to lose as it has already been a humiliating series.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Don't experiment too much. ODI super league points are at stake. Babar, Fakhar and Rizwan need to bat more responsibly. Others can play around them. Qadir jr. should play. He will prove to be the difference between the 2 teams!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really much you can do, even the back up bowlers are similar. Hasnain is better than Rauf, but he's also raw. Should really have picked a pace bowler who can hit the right lines consistently in England rather than go for wild and woolly fast bowlers.

Imam should be replaced immediately, then never picked again. Play Sarfaraz as an opener if there's no one else, at least he won't be laid out cold by a bouncer.

 

[MenInG]

Training session of national cricket team continues at Edgbaston Cricket Ground During the training session, the national players practiced batting and bowling in the net session

A football session was also arranged for the warm-up

The training session of the national cricket squad will last for three hours

The third and final ODI between Pakistan and England will be played tomorrow

 

[Canistani Hero]

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Abdullah Shafique
3) Babar Azam
4) Saud Shakil
5) Sohaib Maqsood
6) Mohammad Rizwan
7) Shadab Khan
8) Hasan Ali
9) Mohammad Wasim Jr
10) Mohammad Hasnain
11) Shaheen Afridi

 

[ask_analyse_act]

May as well give the guys who haven't played yet a chance.

Nothing to lose as it has already been a humiliating series.

Not gonna happen under Misbah.. He will drop faheem and might give chance to Nawaz that is wat im expecting..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Nawaz is another terrible bowler. Been in the team ever since PSL 1 where spinning tracks made him look like a world beater, since then he's bowled mostly poorly, and he's an awful batsman who needs 4 swings to connect with one hit in the over.

 

[Ahmed216]

Nawaz is another terrible bowler. Been in the team ever since PSL 1 where spinning tracks made him look like a world beater, since then he's bowled mostly poorly, and he's an awful batsman who needs 4 swings to connect with one hit in the over.

Who is worst? Shadab or nawaz

 

[adzzy786]

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I’m calling vice captain position and batting at number 4.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Who is worst? Shadab or nawaz

Nawaz as Shadab is a better bat. But they are both pretty useless bowlers.

 

[Yasir_ch]

Nawaz is another terrible bowler. Been in the team ever since PSL 1 where spinning tracks made him look like a world beater, since then he's bowled mostly poorly, and he's an awful batsman who needs 4 swings to connect with one hit in the over.

Yep that's right.He is awful.He doesn't spin the ball and his batting is worse than faheem Ashraf.

I don't know what people see in him.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Abdullah Shafique
3) Babar Azam
4) Saud Shakil
5) Sohaib Maqsood
6) Mohammad Rizwan
7) Shadab Khan
8) Hasan Ali
9) Mohammad Wasim Jr
10) Mohammad Hasnain
11) Shaheen Afridi

If Abdullah Shafique plays and scores a duck whats next..
If Wasim Jr bowls worse than Faheem then whats next..


The chopping and changing is going on and off for a long while since 2019 and when mickey left..

The right players with potential are not identified and backed, instead players with no potential are being backed for like 30 games... I have no idea why Anwar ali was backed like anything compared to Hammad azam.. Now Faheem has been backed consistently compared to Aamer yamin, Amad butt and now Wasim joins the list...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Yep that's right.He is awful.He doesn't spin the ball and his batting is worse than faheem Ashraf.

I don't know what people see in him.

Nawaz is another terrible bowler. Been in the team ever since PSL 1 where spinning tracks made him look like a world beater, since then he's bowled mostly poorly, and he's an awful batsman who needs 4 swings to connect with one hit in the over.

Yep that's right.He is awful.He doesn't spin the ball and his batting is worse than faheem Ashraf.

I don't know what people see in him.

See everybody knows what nawaz is made of but somehow the coach Misbah/Waqar cannot see what normal people can see..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

play some youngsters

Shafique for Imam

Hasnain for Rauf/Faheem

also bat Rizwan at 6

Those are obviously the same way that others would think to make changes to the team but never happens when Misbah is in charge

 

[Saj]

Weather looks ok.

Cloudy but not much chance of rain.

Pakistan should have decent support also in Birmingham.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Nawaz is another terrible bowler. Been in the team ever since PSL 1 where spinning tracks made him look like a world beater, since then he's bowled mostly poorly, and he's an awful batsman who needs 4 swings to connect with one hit in the over.

If at all there are changes to happen Misbah will give chances to Nawaz, Sarfraz, Usman Qadir and Hasnain.

Abdullah Shafique, Salman and Wasim jr will not get their debuts.

Misbah would wet his pants in fear to play a debutant even against weak teams. Saud got his chance here because of Haris injury.

 

[Rana]

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Typical self delusion like a true Misbah fan.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Typical self delusion like a true Misbah fan.

Me? A Misbah fan? Where exactly are you getting that from?

 

[Khurrams22]

Lets make a team of TTF on PakPassion, still they will beat current team
1. Imran Farhat
2. Yasir Hameed
3.
4. Basit Ali
5.
6. Adnan Akmal
7. Yasir something (who came in place of A. Razzaq)
8. Naved Rana
9. Rao Anjum
10
11.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Lets make a team of TTF on PakPassion, still they will beat current team
1. Imran Farhat
2. Yasir Hameed
3.
4. Basit Ali
5.
6. Adnan Akmal
7. Yasir something (who came in place of A. Razzaq)
8. Naved Rana
9. Rao Anjum
10
11.

Saleem Elahi @ 3
Hasan Raza @ 5
Shaheed Nazir @ 10
Arshad Khan @ 11

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

I am going tomorrow. Wish me best of luck to not die from boredom.

 

[shamaan]

play some youngsters

Shafique for Imam

Hasnain for Rauf/Faheem

also bat Rizwan at 6

I wouldn't play shafique only because if he fails may get dropped and the pressure will be on if it was the first game of the series then I'd play him

 

[shamaan]

The team I would play is.I would have played Abdullah If it was the first game of the series but not the last game of the odi series.both fahim and Rauf should be dropped.saud should be batting at 4.
Fakhar
Rizwan
Babar
Saud
Maqsood
Agha
Shadab
Hassan Ali
Qadir
Husnain
Shaheen

 

[shamaan]

If Abdullah Shafique plays and scores a duck whats next..
If Wasim Jr bowls worse than Faheem then whats next..


The chopping and changing is going on and off for a long while since 2019 and when mickey left..

The right players with potential are not identified and backed, instead players with no potential are being backed for like 30 games... I have no idea why Anwar ali was backed like anything compared to Hammad azam.. Now Faheem has been backed consistently compared to Aamer yamin, Amad butt and now Wasim joins the list...

I agree we should not risk Abdullah in the decider but the likes of husnain and qadir can play as they have exposure

 

[Hitman]

What's the weather forecast like?

 

[Rafa]

What's the weather forecast like?

100% full game happening..

 

[Hitman]

100% full game happening..

Good. Nothing annoys me more than when a game is disrupted by rain. Can't wait for the match to start. I know it's a dead rubber, but any cricket for me is good cricket.

 

[iniqbal223]

Heard lot about Abdullah Shafique, why is he not playing??

Is he doing some HAWALA work for Misbah...that he has to be in team without playing any games

 

[Shafi]

Hopefully England will whitewash us both ODI and T20 so it can put pressure on Wasim Khan do something. But I also worry Misbah may blame M Wasim for selection of younger players so that he can get sacked.