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England vs India | 4th Test | Southampton | August 30-September 3, 2018 | Day 2 Thread

MoJoJoJo said:
I don't know why this guy was dropped in the first place. Excellent all rounder.
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50 Tests, 2500 runs at 32+ with 5 hundreds and 133 wickets at 40 with 9 innings of 4 or more wickets and a 10 for ... that's handy in any consideration.
 
Woohoo. 6 down to all out at the speed of light.
 
India will concede 30 run lead as expected.

Stupid shot from Ashwin.

Meen destroying Indian batting once again.
 
MMHS said:
This guy Pandeya has an unique quality of self destructing. Playing Off-spin is his strength and 2/3 overs, he could have forced Moeen out of attack - instead scoops a dolly at an uncanny spot, put exactly for that shot. Game actually swinging in ENG's favor inch by inch. If Moeen troubles IND batsmen such on Day 2, a target of 200 won't be easy here.
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India are playing pandaya , so that he improves himself for Australian tour. India have understood that three pacers plus one spinner is not enough for Australia. They need another bowler.
 
Mamoon said:
Moeen is the epitome of mediocrity. He might surprise a team and run through them once, but he doesn’t have the quality to consistently trouble teams.

I don’t think he will have a honeymoon series against India again.
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And a 4th...on a hat trick for Moeen! Shami gone!!!
 
Pujara isn't the handiest batsman to have around in this situation tbh.
 
Moeen got three wickets?

So Indians can't bat against swing, can't bat against bouncy deliveries and can't bat against spin either.

What can they do?

Indian batting in overseas condition is on par with Bangladesh, Srilanka and WI.
 
MenInG said:
2+2 = 5.
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Commentators getting excited about the spin Moen Ali getting and talking about how Ashwin will be quite a handful. Ashwin has no flight no loop, he only gets wickets by variations. Ashwin figure would probably be scored of at 4+ per over and will take one or 2 tailenders wickets
 
Justcrazy said:
India are playing pandaya , so that he improves himself for Australian tour. India have understood that three pacers plus one spinner is not enough for Australia. They need another bowler.
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He won't do any dodo with ball in AUS. If they really want 5 bowlers, best tactics is to play 3 pacers including BK for his batting, Ashwin who can bat and a traditional Leg spinner. These days spin playing quality is such that a good leg spinner like Mishra or Chahal will trouble Aussie batsmen more than Pandeya at his fastest.
 
Moeen Ali always destroys India in England.

Then goes to India as a lone spinner and gets destroyed there.

What an enigma Moeen Ali is.
 
Moeen gets standing ovation from the English fans...they must really love mediocre players...
 
MMHS said:
50 Tests, 2500 runs at 32+ with 5 hundreds and 133 wickets at 40 with 9 innings of 4 or more wickets and a 10 for ... that's handy in any consideration.
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Those are not "excellent" figures as [MENTION=143502]MoJoJoJo[/MENTION] suggests. But he's a very good all-arounder nonetheless.
 
It was a stupidity of highest order for ENG selectors to drop Moeen against IND, after last series and last year, when he was MoS against SAF. In fact, instead of this guy Root, ENG should appoint Moeen as Captain and allow Root to focus on batting.
 
India won the 3ed test only because of England's pathetic slip catching. Otherwise they would've trailed by 3-0 by now..

They don't deserve to be no 1 with such mediocre batting lineup.
 
RainMan_ said:
India won the 3ed test only because of England's pathetic slip catching. Otherwise they would've trailed by 3-0 by now..

They don't deserve to be no 1 with such mediocre batting lineup.
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ah yes, the regulars are coming back.
 
How do Indians do it though? Moeen is hardly a world beater, and they play Herath and co with ease :))
 
Really loose batting by the Indians, with Pant, Pandya and Ashwin mostly to blame!
 
the_outsider said:
Those are not "excellent" figures as [MENTION=143502]MoJoJoJo[/MENTION] suggests. But he's a very good all-arounder nonetheless.
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Actually excellent, if you consider that most of his Tests are not on spin friendly wickets.
 
i guess India has lost a key session of this test and possibly the series... unless of course something miraculous happens in second innings that puts them right back
 
happydavy said:
To be fair Ishu seems to be the most assured batsman against Ali
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He better, because Bumrah is a proper XI who by his own admission the other day hasn't faced a single ball in the nets since the IPL.
 
MMHS said:
This guy Pandeya has an unique quality of self destructing. Playing Off-spin is his strength and 2/3 overs, he could have forced Moeen out of attack - instead scoops a dolly at an uncanny spot, put exactly for that shot. Game actually swinging in ENG's favor inch by inch. If Moeen troubles IND batsmen such on Day 2, a target of 200 won't be easy here.
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Pandya's 5fer will hurt India in the long run.
 
Well at least we scored 200.

201/8.

Just cut down the lead to 20 and hope for the best in 2nd innings.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Ise kehte hain talent.

They will crumble to Herath outsode Asia too.
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You know, I expected us to collapse to Moeen after you guys did it. We didn't, we have zero issues playing him.

If our batting can play Moeen, how in the world can yours not, even with pressure? :)))
 
In Eng-frikkin-land we make Anderson go wicketless and then give three to Ali. ::J
 
InziRules said:
You know, I expected us to collapse to Moeen after you guys did it. We didn't, we have zero issues playing him.

If our batting can play Moeen, how in the world can yours not, even with pressure? :)))
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Some things cant be explained.

Ishant playing Moeen like a pro.
 
Varun said:
He better, because Bumrah is a proper XI who by his own admission the other day hasn't faced a single ball in the nets since the IPL.
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If these 2 can get India to 225, I ll consider it a massively successful partnership. For that ishu ll have to score 15 of those 25 runs as Pujara can't.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
What's your opinion on Pant? You were very keen to see him play for India. :inti
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:)

Actually, there is a thick line between Test batting and LO batting on belters and 60 metre grounds. But, surprising that Pant has a FC stats like 55/90 for almost 2K runs!!!
 
A hundred for Pujara would mean India are still there in the game.
 
England batting clicks once per series. If it happens in the second innings, India loses the series.
 
From this position it's England's match to loose. India has lost a golden opportunity here.
 
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